Antiemetics (AE) | |
What they do: |
- Move SN quick to intestine โ fatal
Reduce vomiting
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Do I need it? | No, but recommended.
- Many used SN fatally without AE
- Many vomited even with AE
Could go either way. No definitive answer. |
Are they available? | NO. Prescription only.
- Ask physician, example (original post)
- Search Internet
- Consult existing threads (others looking for it)
Notes โ
Acquiring or importing prescription-only medication without a prescription is illegal.
Antiemetics are not "restricted substance" but if caught may be fined (investigation unlikely).
Forging prescription is a serious crime. |
Warnings: | CAUTION.
- Meto & Prochlorperazine may cause problems.
- Must check contraindication to existing meds.
- Test small dosage (5mg) well before your ctb:
- Mild effects โ try another small dose 8h later, or with painkillers (tolerance: less side effects)
- Severe effects โ avoid.
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Will any antiemetic work? | NO.
- Guide provides 6 AEs โ only use those.
Antiemetics:
- Must target dopamine (Domperidone, Prochlorperazine)
- Preferably serotonin as well (Metoclopramide)
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Common antiemetics โ short review |
- Prochlorperazine โ โstrongest dopamine blocker , no quick stomach emptying , high EPS risk
- Metoclopramide โ โstrong dopamine blocker , โ quick stomach emptying , moderate EPS risk
- Domperidone โ โgood dopamine blocker , โ quick stomach emptying , little EPS risk
Domperidone is efficient as Metoclopramide for anti-vomiting (research) |
Will X work as AE? | If not in guide and you've searched threads, then NO.
Don't use as antiemetics โ
- Ondansetron/Zofran
- Diphenhydramine/Benadryl
- Dimenhydrinate/Dramamine
Serotonin or Histamine only are not as effective. They don't promote gastric emptying.
Read guide (AE by type โ need dopamine antagonist) |
What are "The 13 Antipsychotics"? | Replace AE completely โ ONLY if part of your regular health treatment.
Do not take a single dose; Do not change prescribed dosage.
- Personally-tailored โ dosage varies greatly between individuals (explained here & here)
- If used regularly they replace AE โ use Stat directions (without meto).
- Stan listed meds with nM (receptor affinity). Higher numbers may indicate stronger effects.
- Example .
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Antiemetics โ "Meto" | |
Warnings: | Many are fine with it; some aren't; for a few poses a risk.
- Contraindications โ SSRI, SNRI, TCAs, many anti-psychotics, and more.
- EPS effects โ muscle spasms, jerky movements, tremors.
- EPS effects relieved with Diphenhydramine/Benadryl
- Members reported other effects(non EPS):
- "extreme unease in body, driving me crazy"
- "made me feel very ill, my whole body"
- "after taking meto went to sleep 4 hour"
- "throbbing headache"
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Note โ Prochlorperazine | Not Meto, but same warnings apply.
- Prochlorperazine has higher EPS risk
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Why Meto preferred? | Only antiemetic that:
- Targets both dopamine and 5HT3, and
- Crosses into the brain
This means:
- Strong stomach emptying effect
- Strong anti-vomiting vomiting effect
However read "Do I need it"; alternatives (5) are fine. |
Can strong effect achieved without Meto? | Ondansetron and Domperidone target peripheral receptors, not the brain (less side effects):
Domperidone (Dopamine, less EPS)
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Ondansetron (5HT3, less EPS)
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Metoclopramide (Dopamine+5HT3 , Brain/EPS) |
Bad Meto reaction โ what to do? | Take Diphenhydramine/Benadryl
'Failing Meto' is fine, may:
- Use any of the other 5 on the list, or
- Ctb without antiemetics (many have but follow guide)
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Antiemetics - Stat/Regimen | |
What is it? | "Regimen/State" refers only to antiemetics.
Two ways to take antiemetics:
- One single dose โ Stat
- Over 24h-48h โ Regimen
This may apply to N (consult guides). |
Stat or Regimen? | Both used with equal success.
Depends on your sensitivities, conditions, and preferences. |
Regimen โ |
- Builds tolerance โ reduces side-effects
- Increased effectiveness โ accumulates (also) โ increased stomach tone over time
- Comfortable โ structured, feel prepared for ctb
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Stat โ |
- Efficacy appears similar with less hassle (no schedule)
- Less worry โ like side effects during 2 days
- Comfortable โ not demanding, no anxious wait, quick & simple
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So, which should I choose? | Really up to you.
Regimen came from PPH, for old/fragile/sick people. This may address you, could decrease discomfort.
Stat is effective, great, easy option for many people. Taking it with benzo & |
Antiemetics - Stat/Regimen Guidelines | |
What are the dosages/schedule? | Read guide. Follow everything there.
โ This section intended only for details not in guide โ
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Domperidone - Stat | Same as meto.
Notes |
Prochlorperazine โ Stat | Smaller dosage โ 10 to 20 mg
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Meto โ Regimen | See guide.
Schedule however more flexiblethan commonly published โ
- Just take 3 a day over 24-48h
- morning lunch evening, 7-9h apart
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Domperidone โ Regimen | Same.
Best to stick with it. Member was fine after trying 48h regimen x 20mg (instead of 10mg)
Research concludes:
- Acummulation โ "2 to 3-fold accumulation observed with repeated 4 times daily every 5 hr for 4 days."
- But only 3+ a day โ "after two weeks of single 30mg per day peak plasma level almost same"
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Prochlorperazine โ Regimen | Same as Meto (10mg x 3 times a day) โ but final dose smaller , like Stat
Notes |
Fasting โ important? | Yes, but flexible. Don't overdo it, follow your habits.
- 5h โ Empty stomach, partially small intestines โ Good enough.
- 8h โ Empty most small intestines โ Good.
- 12h โ Long fasting not required (may cause discomfort).
- According to your habits/feeling; if you eat just twice a day, 12h fine.
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