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I've got Prochlorperazine as my AE, but I'm wondering what the dosage would be before taking SN.
 
dimstar

dimstar

Poor little woodpecker
Mar 17, 2023
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Hey sorry to bump an old thread but this my AE too. I was planning 30mg stat dose. This guide says 40 max but I saw a FAQ guide that to take a smaller dose of Prochlorperazine 10-20mg. Anyone have input?
Not an old thread lol sorry. Cheers whoops๐Ÿ˜‚
Hi,
Rough draft โ€“ please suggest information, links, changes. Aimed at 95% of target audience (FAQ shouldnt address exceptional cases/patients). Written for myself over 3 months , pasted with little proof-reading. Any harmful, inciting, or misleading info here should be removed. So let me know.
Q

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Disclaimer & Information

Is this a guide?NO. Goal โ€“ clarify frequent questions , provide links to read
  • Most had been addressed in the guide or thread.
  • First read Stan's Guide and Stan's thread
  • Almost nothing here is new
How to find MEDICATION X ?
Can I use MEDICAION Y ?
Can't answer that.​
  • There are literally 100s of brands(!) of AE, antacids, benzo, painkillers.​
  • You must search brand and compare ingredients.​
Should I trust this FAQ?NO. Many things are common knowledge/practices.
This is not scientific, do research.

SUMMARY

Function​
Hard to get​
How often used with SN (very rough estimate)​
Better SN intake
Antiemetics (AE)Stomach emptying, anti-vomitingYes70%
Antacid / Acid-ReducersMay improve absorptionNo80%
Ease symptoms
Painkillers (NSAID)Headache, painNo90%
Benzo / SedativesAnxiety, pain, induce sleepPartially70%
Beta BlockersStrong/fast heartbeatPartially40%


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Antiemetics (AE)
What they do:
  • Move SN quick to intestine โ€“ fatal
  • Reduce vomiting
Do I need it?No, but recommended.
  • Many used SN fatally without AE
  • Many vomited even with AE
Could go either way. No definitive answer.
Are they available?NO. Prescription only.
  • Ask physician, example (original post)
  • Search Internet
  • Consult existing threads (others looking for it)
Notes โ€“
Acquiring or importing prescription-only medication without a prescription is illegal.
Antiemetics are not "restricted substance" but if caught may be fined (investigation unlikely).
Forging prescription is a serious crime.
Warnings:CAUTION.
  • Meto & Prochlorperazine may cause problems.
  • Must check contraindication to existing meds.
  • Test small dosage (5mg) well before your ctb:
    • Mild effects โ€“ try another small dose 8h later, or with painkillers (tolerance: less side effects)
    • Severe effects โ€“ avoid.
Will any antiemetic work?NO.
  • Guide provides 6 AEs โ€“ only use those.
Antiemetics:
  • Must target dopamine (Domperidone, Prochlorperazine)
  • Preferably serotonin as well (Metoclopramide)
Common antiemetics โ€“ short review
  • Prochlorperazine โ€“ โœ“strongest dopamine blocker , no quick stomach emptying , high EPS risk
  • Metoclopramide โ€“ โœ“strong dopamine blocker , โœ“ quick stomach emptying , moderate EPS risk
  • Domperidone โ€“ โœ“good dopamine blocker , โœ“ quick stomach emptying , little EPS risk
Domperidone is efficient as Metoclopramide for anti-vomiting (research)
Will X work as AE?​
If not in guide and you've searched threads, then NO.
Don't use as antiemetics โ€“
  • Ondansetron/Zofran
  • Diphenhydramine/Benadryl
  • Dimenhydrinate/Dramamine
Serotonin or Histamine only are not as effective. They don't promote gastric emptying.
Read guide (AE by type โ€“ need dopamine antagonist)
What are "The 13 Antipsychotics"?Replace AE completely โ€“ ONLY if part of your regular health treatment.
Do not take a single dose; Do not change prescribed dosage.
  • Personally-tailored โ€“ dosage varies greatly between individuals (explained here & here)
  • If used regularly they replace AE โ€“ use Stat directions (without meto).
  • Stan listed meds with nM (receptor affinity). Higher numbers may indicate stronger effects.
  • Example .
Antiemetics โ€“ "Meto"
Warnings:Many are fine with it; some aren't; for a few poses a risk.
  • Contraindications โ€“ SSRI, SNRI, TCAs, many anti-psychotics, and more.
  • EPS effects โ€“ muscle spasms, jerky movements, tremors.
  • EPS effects relieved with Diphenhydramine/Benadryl
  • Members reported other effects(non EPS):
    • "extreme unease in body, driving me crazy"
    • "made me feel very ill, my whole body"
    • "after taking meto went to sleep 4 hour"
    • "throbbing headache"
Note โ€“ ProchlorperazineNot Meto, but same warnings apply.
  • Prochlorperazine has higher EPS risk
Why Meto preferred?Only antiemetic that:
  1. Targets both dopamine and 5HT3, and
  2. Crosses into the brain
This means:
  • Strong stomach emptying effect
  • Strong anti-vomiting vomiting effect
However read "Do I need it"; alternatives (5) are fine.
Can strong effect achieved without Meto?Ondansetron and Domperidone target peripheral receptors, not the brain (less side effects):

Domperidone (Dopamine, less EPS)
+
Ondansetron (5HT3, less EPS)
=
Metoclopramide (Dopamine+5HT3 , Brain/EPS)
Bad Meto reaction โ€“ what to do?Take Diphenhydramine/Benadryl
'Failing Meto' is fine, may:
  • Use any of the other 5 on the list, or
  • Ctb without antiemetics (many have but follow guide)
Antiemetics - Stat/Regimen
What is it?"Regimen/State" refers only to antiemetics.
Two ways to take antiemetics:
  • One single dose โ€“ Stat
    • or
  • Over 24h-48h โ€“ Regimen
This may apply to N (consult guides).
Stat or Regimen?​
Both used with equal success.
Depends on your sensitivities, conditions, and preferences.
Regimen โ€“
  1. Builds tolerance โ€“ reduces side-effects
  2. Increased effectiveness โ€“ accumulates (also) โ€“ increased stomach tone over time
  3. Comfortable โ€“ structured, feel prepared for ctb
Stat โ€“
  1. Efficacy appears similar with less hassle (no schedule)
  2. Less worry โ€“ like side effects during 2 days
  3. Comfortable โ€“ not demanding, no anxious wait, quick & simple
So, which should I choose?Really up to you.
Regimen came from PPH, for old/fragile/sick people. This may address you, could decrease discomfort.
Stat is effective, great, easy option for many people. Taking it with benzo &
Antiemetics - Stat/Regimen Guidelines
What are the dosages/schedule?Read guide. Follow everything there.

โ€“ This section intended only for details not in guide โ€“
.
Domperidone - StatSame as meto.
Notes
Prochlorperazine โ€“ StatSmaller dosage โ€“ 10 to 20 mg
Notes
Meto โ€“ RegimenSee guide.
Schedule however more flexiblethan commonly published โ€“
  • Just take 3 a day over 24-48h
    • morning lunch evening, 7-9h apart
Domperidone โ€“ RegimenSame.

Best to stick with it. Member was fine after trying 48h regimen x 20mg (instead of 10mg)
Research concludes:
  • Acummulation โ€“ "2 to 3-fold accumulation observed with repeated 4 times daily every 5 hr for 4 days."
  • But only 3+ a day โ€“ "after two weeks of single 30mg per day peak plasma level almost same"
Prochlorperazine โ€“ RegimenSame as Meto (10mg x 3 times a day) โ€“ but final dose smaller , like Stat
Notes
Fasting โ€“ important?​
Yes, but flexible. Don't overdo it, follow your habits.
  • 5h โ€“ Empty stomach, partially small intestines โ€“ Good enough.
  • 8h โ€“ Empty most small intestines โ€“ Good.
  • 12h โ€“ Long fasting not required (may cause discomfort).
    • According to your habits/feeling; if you eat just twice a day, 12h fine.

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Acid-stuff
What they do:
  • Stomach acidity
  • May help SN absorption
Stan detailed that process
Do I need those?No. But many use these.
Considered helpful, widely-available, cause little harm.
Are they available?OTC / Internet
  • Milk of Magnesia โ€“ widely available, just as effective.
  • For other brands โ€“ search big sites
(1) Antacids
What they do:Neutralizes acid on the spot
Known antacids:
  • Any antacid with magnesium hydroxide.
    • Check any available OTC for ingredients with that.
  • Milk of Magnesia.
Can I use other antacids?We don't know.
  • PPH pervioiusly recommended sodium bicarbonate, this was changed to acid-regulator.
(2) Acid-regulators
What they do:Unlike antacids they reduce acid creation beforehand
Which should I use?H2-receptor antagonists only
Which I should not use?Proton pump inhibitors (PPI) do not work. Don't use them .
  • Check medication ingredients and google to check if it's PPI .
What if I'm already taking acid-regulators?If PPI used regularly, as part of health treatment โ€“
  • Continue your PPI as normal (don't use antacids or acid-regulators) .
If PPI used occasionally โ€“
  • you can try to replace it with acid-regulators listed below (test it).
Known acid-regulators:Cimetidine/Tagamet, Rantidine/Zantac, Famotidine
Can I use other acid-regulators?No. May interfere with absorption.
Other Questions
Which should I use?Either is fine, whatever you want.
Can I use antacids and acid-regulators together?We don't know. Probably not good to mix.
Wiki says not to use acid-regulatorsStan recommended plain antacid, and gave acid-regulators which should work as well.
The wiki reference was deemed incomprehensible (here, here, here)



Benzo / Sedatives
What they do:
  • Reduce anxiety
  • Reduce bad physical sensations
  • Induce sleep
Do I need it?No, many didn't use these at all
But considered useful for anxiety and peaceful journey
Are they available?Kinda.
  • Prescription only โ€“ but very common
  • In many places GPs prescribe benzo for many reasons.
Warnings:Yes, though not harmful:
  • Benzos effects vary greatly:
    • Potency, tolerance, onset (how quick), duration (how long) change.
    • Some benzo affects within 10m, others take 1h, and this changes individually
  • Taken too soon โ€“ may fall asleep before SN.
  • Test small dosage beforehand.
Which benzo to use?
Is benzo X good?
Can't answer that. There are dozens.
  • Anything that affects you more than 4h.
  • Personally check this.
  • Benzo "half-life" does not indicate long/short effects.
Other Sedatives
Can I use opioids?YES. But:
  1. Check contraindications
  2. Note anything of the opioid family significantly reduces:
  • metabolism
  • gastric emptying
  • intestinal absorption
May take twice the time.



Beta Blockers
What they do:
  • Reduce fast strong heartbeat after SN
  • May reduce possible headache
These meds reduce blood pressure.
Do I need it?No.
  • Most people dont use it ; considered somewhat of luxury
  • Some already use these, or find it easy to get due to prior conditions.
  • Benzo/painkillers should help with sensations.
Are they available?Prescription only. You should consult physician.
Which should I use?Propanolol
Can I use others?We don't know



Painkillers
What they do:Many experience moderate headache or general pain (rated 4/10):
  • Helps headaches or pain
Do I need it?No. But almost everyone use these. Considered helpful, widely-available, cause little harm.
Are they available?
OTC​
Which should I use?Ibuprofen, or
Paracetamol/acetaminophen
Can I use others?Yes
  • General NSAIDs that works for you
  • Specific pain medication that works for you
 
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Dominicka

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Dec 22, 2021
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Hey sorry to bump an old thread but this my AE too. I was planning 30mg stat dose. This guide says 40 max but I saw a FAQ guide that to take a smaller dose of Prochlorperazine 10-20mg. Anyone have input?
Not an old thread lol sorry. Cheers whoops๐Ÿ˜‚
Wondering about this too, can anyone help us? I don't wanna ๐Ÿคฎ
 
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4g1vvvven

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Feb 14, 2023
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Shameless bump, Stan used buccastem/Prochlorperazine I believe, is there no guidance on the dosage for a stat dose?
 

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