Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[bluehawk]

I have a wing back chair that reclines, I sorta tested it abit ago with my arms on the arm rests and just left them fall to the side off the arm rests. The chair i reclined abit back at a 45 degree angle I do have a neck pillow I can place behind my neck but will also be against the back of the bag behind my neck. That would keep my head upright from tilting to the side..

my bag doesn't have elastic Ive read some ppl secure the bag shut and some leave the bag with a gap??? to release CO2? I've watched those videos online from Dr N i forget the spelling of his last name but he makes it seem so effortless.

I just don't want to fail

I want to be sure this works but I can not afford one of those scuba masks but I do have all the rest of the equipment and my tank has been unsealed and secure/safe. the Tank size is I believe when I bought it like 20L?

I tried to find the receipt but I think I shredded it a while back. The tank stands 15inchs height not including the turn nozzle up top or regulator. I haven't attached the regulator yet but it is the correct size and does fit.

The tubing and hose clamps I've already tested last year and cut to size so that the tank wont be interrupted fall or be tipped. I'm going to place the tank in a box filled with clothing to support it standing upright.

Going to clean my place and prepare, I just dont want to fail like others have doing this method. I would have gone the other routes SN and the drink option but I could not find any of those available back when I was able to afford that stuff. The tank however was my only option available so I bought the tank last year.

I just dont want to fail, I do not want to return

when I did test last night without the tank connected when the bag fogged up I did feel the need to gasp but pressed forward till I was about to pass out then I lifted the bag. I hope to just faint straight away at that point when the tank is connected and gas flowing, just like Dr N mentioned in his video.

I appreciate the feedback btw thank you Kapsyl

 

[Kapsyl]

I have a wing back chair that reclines, I sorta tested it abit ago with my arms on the arm rests and just left them fall to the side off the arm rests. The chair i reclined abit back at a 45 degree angle I do have a neck pillow I can place behind my neck but will also be against the back of the bag behind my neck. That would keep my head upright from tilting to the side..

This sounds like suitable and quite comfortable last place the end and inline with the recommendations.

my bag doesn't have elastic Ive read some ppl secure the bag shut and some leave the bag with a gap??? to release CO2? I've watched those videos online from Dr N i forget the spelling of his last name but he makes it seem so effortless.

I believe the elastic is necessary to ensure the bag contains enough inert gas lower the oxygen in the blood. 15/lpm wouldn't be enough to push out air without the elastic.

I believe you will fail without the elastic, the air will overcome the overpressure with that big of an opening. This will result not enough of inert gas and you may not loose unconsciousness or it will take a real long time. If the oxygen level is high enough to support life but not consciousness and the bottle runs out of gas, you may survive with brain damage. Check the guides on exit bags again to make sure.

. the Tank size is I believe when I bought it like 20L?

I tried to find the receipt but I think I shredded it a while back. The tank stands 15inchs height not including the turn nozzle up top or regulator. I haven't attached the regulator yet but it is the correct size and does fit.

Make sure you have atleast 400 liter of uncompressed of inert gas, I don't think you have 20 liters by your measurements since a 20 liter tank would be quite big. You need continuous 30 min of gas flow to ensure passing away.

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when I did test last night without the tank connected when the bag fogged up I did feel the need to gasp but pressed forward till I was about to pass out then I lifted the bag. I hope to just faint straight away at that point when the tank is connected and gas flowing, just like Dr N mentioned in his video.

I appreciate the feedback btw thank you Kapsyl

It should be easier with the inert gas since you probably won't experience the feeling of air running out but rather only the co2 build up and heat.

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[Coconteppi]

Any recommendations for what brand of turkey bag works well? Is there better one than a generic one from walmart or are they all relatively the same?

 

[bluehawk]

ok I found the receipt for the tank I bought back in 2022. it reads as a 2.2 compressed, 20 CGA 580 Traveler, cylinder 20 CF Steel. My regulator is 200 to 580psi

I bought a tank that resembled the size of what Dr N shows in his videos and other videos ive seen online about nitrogen. The price was expensive for the tank and nitrogen 300.

I checked to see how many liters and I dont know how to read the size on the receipt, but the tank itself looks like the same size as the videos. If this is not my way out I dont know any other way that is accessible.

there has to be a way with what I have. I do have a gas stove in my place and my place is small ventilation is not great at all but I donno how to make this option work for me. Any suggestions would be helpful I want to leave

 

[Kapsyl]

ok I found the receipt for the tank I bought back in 2022. it reads as a 2.2 compressed, 20 CGA 580 Traveler, cylinder 20 CF Steel. My regulator is 200 to 580psi

What I have found it sounds like you have a 20 Cubic foot bottle which equals as 560 liters of nitrogen or 37 min of nitrogen at 15/lpm. Did you buy it empty? Most sites seems to sell it empty, do you know the purity of the gas?

What kind of regulator do you have? Can you set how many liters per minute or just the pressure?

 

[bluehawk]

purchased tank is filled with nitrogen and the regulator. before I left I had one of the staff show me on another tank like mine how to connects I wanted to be sure it was the correct regulator. I can adjust the pressure on the regulator he showed me how and from the video it said to set at 15 or something in my notes. The brand is by company Victor Cut SkIII that is how it reads on the regulator.

my tank is still sealed there is a shrink wrap around the nozzle and the turning thing

my gas stove however is propane and there have been times when the pilot light has gone out and I can smell the gas and it has woken me via headache. But ...... at this point Im open to all options.

I guess I could just turn off the flame and keep the gas running close all the windows and let the gas from my stove take over. Thing is when I start to smell the gas it wakes me up but I've seen stories on youtube where ppl just dont wake up and well the end result. Maybe that will work but I need to stay under and not wake up when the smell kicks in.

Based on the tank information on the receipt I shared do you think I have enough? Will it work? I have extra turkey bags and am thinking of going to the sports store and get one of the elastic headbands and copy from the images ive seen online. My current bag tho I copied from the Chi guys video exactly how he made his. I just dont want to fail.

 

[Kapsyl]

purchased tank is filled with nitrogen and the regulator. before I left I had one of the staff show me on another tank like mine how to connects I wanted to be sure it was the correct regulator. I can adjust the pressure on the regulator he showed me how and from the video it said to set at 15 or something in my notes. The brand is by company Victor Cut SkIII that is how it reads on the regulator.

my tank is still sealed there is a shrink wrap around the nozzle and the turning thing

Well I can probably guess you didn't tell the staff what your true intentions were so I'm not sure what they set it to. 15 is liter per minute and is not the same as pressure, please check before trying. It's generally advised to have a flow meter to know exactly how much gas is flowing and it's not the same as outgoing pressure.

my gas stove however is propane and there have been times when the pilot light has gone out and I can smell the gas and it has woken me via headache. But ...... at this point Im open to all options.

This is something I have no experience of or know if it's a viable alternative, please check this tread for information and ask in the fitting Category

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Based on the tank information on the receipt I shared do you think I have enough? Will it work? I have extra turkey bags and am thinking of going to the sports store and get one of the elastic headbands and copy from the images ive seen online. My current bag tho I copied from the Chi guys video exactly how he made his. I just dont want to fail.

The exit bag I've seen are with elastic headband or something equal, I would search for more guides.

As for your setup it has potential but there are some questions left with the flow meter for example and what purity the nitrogen is at.

 

[bluehawk]

before purchase I mentioned I would use it for a party for the weekend and needed the best purity possible If I remember right they mentioned 97% as for the regulator i mentioned the staff guy who sold it to me that I need to know where the 15 mark is and he showed me on the gauge. I guess I'll look for what you mentioned a flow meter.

The regulator i have reads on the lable 250 series Victor CutSkill or CutSkIII it has 2 gauges attached both read as psi. Gauge 1 reads from 400 to 2800 the other reads from 4000 to 28000. The regulator was expensive that part I very much remember same with the tank of nitrogen. But back then when I did have money I didnt even bat an eye when buying it.

I wish there was a way to get the SN ppl mention here on the site but I have no idea where to go for that. I am thinking more now to just use my kitchen gas stove and park my chair in there and take some sleeping pills or something to not wake up when I smell the stove propane.

 

[CTB5656]

Has anyone tried buying one of the pre-filled 2.2L Nitrogen tanks that come with a regulator off ebay? Seems like an easy way to get most of the setup, and I don't want to buy from a local supplier at the risk of looking suspicious.

 

[Elzar]

I tested my Exit Bag, complete with helium flowing, for the first time today.
I did "dry runs" before with just the bag a couple of times and didn't find it very irritating or suffocating, even though I did leave it on until I was starting to get dizzy (so quite a while).

This time, with the helium flowing, I did find it suffocating.
Strange, one would think it to be exactly the other way around, right? Maybe I sensed the drop of my oxygen level?
Most likely it's just me not really exhaling properly beforehand...

Anyway, it got me thinking about the size of the bag.
My current one is pretty small (39x55), about the same as the bag in the "A Dignified Helium Exit" video (the bag there is 45x50).
The PPeH descripes a bag of 35x50, so mine shouldn't be too small, plus I have a small head.

What I didn't really expect was how much the bag contracts when inhaling and expands again when exhaling.
It's probably exactly how it's supposed to be, but in my mind the constant flow of gas should have "filled up" the bag again even before I exhale.
With the bag contracting and expanding so strongly through me breathing, it feels like I am re-inhaling too much of my exhaled CO2 again...

 

[Tears in Rain]

This time, with the helium flowing, I did find it suffocating.
Strange, one would think it to be exactly the other way around, right? Maybe I sensed the drop of my oxygen level?
Most likely it's just me not really exhaling properly beforehand...

You shouldn't feel any suffocation. Maybe up the LPM to 25 LPM, if you have plenty of gas.
I would probably use 25lpm for both hood and bag methods, once I had plenty of gas.

Anyway, it got me thinking about the size of the bag.
My current one is pretty small (39x55), about the same as the bag in the "A Dignified Helium Exit" video (the bag there is 45x50).
The PPeH descripes a bag of 35x50, so mine shouldn't be too small, plus I have a small head.

I've never made an exit bag, but I guess the "correct" size is the one that's most comfortable for your own head size. Final Exit by Derek Humphry recommended:

 

[color_me_gone]

I am thinking more now to just use my kitchen gas stove and park my chair in there and take some sleeping pills or something to not wake up when I smell the stove propane.

Using propane or natural gas to asphyxiate is very dangerous.
When the gas reaches the right concentration inside your house, the slightest ignition source will cause the gas to explode.
Your entire house will blow up like a huge bomb.
If you have neighbors, they could be injured or killed.
After the explosion, a huge fire will burn the remaining contents. posing a fire threat to neighbors, as well.
I got the above image by Googling "cooking gas explosion".
A lot of people don't like cooking with gas for this very reason.

 

[Elzar]

You shouldn't feel any suffocation. Maybe up the LPM to 25 LPM, if you have plenty of gas.
I would probably use 25lpm for both hood and bag methods, once I had plenty of gas.

yeah, I'm kind of conservative because I'm still not 100% sure the regulator gives me the correct lpm, but I'm pretty sure it's been at least 15lpm.
In your opinion, should the bag "fill up" the inhaled gas quickly enough to noticeably expand back even before I exhale?
When all I'm inhaling is helium, do I even exhale CO2?

I've never made an exit bag, but I guess the "correct" size is the one that's most comfortable for your own head size. Final Exit by Derek Humphry recommended:
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Thanks. 22" is about 44x55, I think. That's not too dissimilar.
My bag may be a bit slim, which might make the contraction more noticable.

 

[thegoldengirls]

So, I purchased the EEBD hood. Hopefully, having the a lesser restraint than the plastic bag will help alleviate the SI.
Meanwhile, I wonder how common is ctb with the gas Nitrous Oxide? SI is such a strong factor in these inert gas methods, but with Nitrous...it causes euphoria, so I would think the euphoria would overpower the SI, hence, a successful ctb? I'm in the process of reading articles about it.
Apparently, a man in the US successfully ctb.
The only type of Nitrous Oxide I can get get my hands on may have a little bit of air in it.
I wonder if that's standard?

 

[Tears in Rain]

In your opinion, should the bag "fill up" the inhaled gas quickly enough to noticeably expand back even before I exhale?
When all I'm inhaling is helium, do I even exhale CO2?

No idea about how quick an exit bag fills up after each inhalation. Obviously there should be enough gas in the bag to cover each inhalation.
But I've never used one, so don't know.

I presume when you inhale helium that you will exhale both helium and CO2. The body doesn't use the helium. But not sure how much CO2 gets exhaled, as CO2 gets created after O2 is used in the cells of the body. There will still be O2 in your system after pulling down the bag and inhaling the helium. So CO2 will continue to be exhaled until the body is depleted of oxygen.

Yeah, I remember you talking about using helium with an argon regulator. I would up the LPM rate, and see how you feel.

 

[Elzar]

Yeah, I remember you talking about using helium with an argon regulator. I would up the LPM rate, and see how you feel.

I guess I'll have to try that. Didn't want to touch the new tank, but that stuff I better do figure out beforehand.
Might try a bigger bag as well, then...

 

[winterparty]

That may be off topic but aren't you afraid that someone calls 9/11 when they hear gas leaking? I'm planning to rent a house because of it. I was curious why this wasn't a topic here.

 

[Kapsyl]

That may be off topic but aren't you afraid that someone calls 9/11 when they hear gas leaking? I'm planning to rent a house because of it. I was curious why this wasn't a topic here.

It's really not that loud, at least not my setup at 15/20 Lpm. It can appear loud when using an exit bag since the hose will be right by your ears which is why some use earplugs to block it out.

Use some music to mask the sound, doesn't even have to be loud but something too making it undetectable even if someone was really trying to listen in.

I plan doing it my apartment and see no problems of detectability from neighbors, but I would probably have some music in the background.

 

[outrider567]

That may be off topic but aren't you afraid that someone calls 9/11 when they hear gas leaking? I'm planning to rent a house because of it. I was curious why this wasn't a topic here.

There's not that much noise at all, nobody will hear nothing

 

[Alex Fermentopathy]

I made a thread about my failed inert gas attempt:
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/helium-attempt-failed-possible-explanations.156835/

 

[Tears in Rain]

I made a thread about my failed inert gas attempt:
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/helium-attempt-failed-possible-explanations.156835/

In the begginning of past month I had one failed attempt with gas setup (an industrial helium tank with 99,99% purity declared, a flow control, an exit bag). I just woke up when the gas flow ended.

Now I understand that made at least two mistakes.
1. I kicked a tank off while being unconsciousness. So it fell on the floor (tubing still was okay, it was even hard to remove from a flow control). The instruction of the flow control says it is forbidden to use in the horizontal position. I have read somewhere when the tank lies horizontally, then liquid fraction of the gas will go to reductor/flow-control, not purely gaseous one as it should be. And therefore most regulators/flow-controls do not work correctly in horizontal position.
I hypothesize that due to that mistake the gas might flow way too fast after the fall, so I did not get enough exposure to hypoxia (sadly I did not mark the timespan of unconsciousness).
I should had tied the tank to the leg of the chair or probably buy a special gas stand for that.
I think that's the most likely explanation of my fail.

So you knocked over the tank when you went unconscious? You should always ensure the cylinder can't fall over.

I previously posted this from the PPH:

2. I had opened the tank very slightly, because it seemed more than enough to set 15 LPM (the knob of the flow control was also opened minimally). The arrow of the flow-meter was jumping from more to less, but it seemed like on average it was about 15 (the flow was enough, judging by the fact that I lost consciousness very quickly, just in a few breaths).

Now I have read already on this forum that I should open it at full, but it seems like no one here explained exactly why. Who knows, what exactly goes wrong if you open it slightly and how likely is it to be the reason of failure?

Yes, open the cylinder valve fully, then set the LPM on the regulator. Apparently it can damage the cylinder valve if you don't open it fully when the gas is flowing.

3. May be the exit bag collar was not snug enogh. There was some space between the neck and the collar of the bag, so I could enter a finger here without stretching the bag. Is it to much space?
I think maybe that matters more when you lie than when you sit. I started sitting on the chair, but ended up lying on the floor (fall off while unconsciousness).
If that's so, then it would be better to tie myself to the chair, not only the tank to something.

The PPH says the bag should be snug but not tight around the neck:



You were using helium, are you sure it was high purity?
Did you use a helium gas regulator/flowmeter?

 

[minusgrader]

I'm scared I'd fail the bag method if I tried it. It seems complicated after reading about regulators, valves, maintaining gas flow etc. I'm tempted to just use it in a car instead. How many ~ liters of argon gas would it take for a small car to fill up enough? Would you still need to use a regulator to control the gas flow? How do you know if a regulator will fit your gas container? Is it a one size fits all type of thing? Sorry if this has been discussed many times before.

 

[Kapsyl]

I'm scared I'd fail the bag method if I tried it.

Too overcome the fear of failure regarding one's method it can help reading up on the mechanics of inert gas and death by hypoxia, as well as accidents regarding inert gases. Since CTB is a decision one should not take lightly without weighing the options and consequences. I would not blindly follow instructions on the internet without at least looking at multiply sources and forming your own opinion. Once you're confident about the mechanics and your materials it usually becomes easier.

I'm scared I'd fail the bag method if I tried it. It seems complicated after reading about regulators, valves, maintaining gas flow etc. I'm tempted to just use it in a car instead. How many ~ liters of argon gas would it take for a small car to fill up enough? Would you still need to use a regulator to control the gas flow? How do you know if a regulator will fit your gas container? Is it a one size fits all type of thing? Sorry if this has been discussed many times before.

It seems very complicated at first but that's mostly because every region appears to have different standards regarding gas type or application. The easiest route is to source your inert gas first and then find the appropriate adapter/regulator which fits your needs. There is no one size fits all and I would suggest being thorough since regulators can be expensive.

Argon or any inert gas is not poisonous, it simply replaces the oxygen depriving you from vital components for you to survive. To use a car you would have to replace all the air inside the car and keep it out for at least 20 min to ensure ctb.

A compact car have approximately the volume of 2800 liters of air, you would need to replace all that air very quickly and successfully replace it since the car isn't airtight to make this work. Since argon is a heavy gas it will form at bottom and up in car making it even harder since the head is near the ceiling of the car. It could work but you would need ridiculous amount of inert gas to pull it off.

There is a reason the bag or scuba/hood is used, to minimize the environment you breathe from making it quicker to replace the oxygen and using way less gas.

 

[minusgrader]

Too overcome the fear of failure regarding one's method it can help reading up on the mechanics of inert gas and death by hypoxia, as well as accidents regarding inert gases. Since CTB is a decision one should not take lightly without weighing the options and consequences. I would not blindly follow instructions on the internet without at least looking at multiply sources and forming your own opinion. Once you're confident about the mechanics and your materials it usually becomes easier.



It seems very complicated at first but that's mostly because every region appears to have different standards regarding gas type or application. The easiest route is to source your inert gas first and then find the appropriate adapter/regulator which fits your needs. There is no one size fits all and I would suggest being thorough since regulators can be expensive.

Argon or any inert gas is not poisonous, it simply replaces the oxygen depriving you from vital components for you to survive. To use a car you would have to replace all the air inside the car and keep it out for at least 20 min to ensure ctb.

A compact car have approximately the volume of 2800 liters of air, you would need to replace all that air very quickly and successfully replace it since the car isn't airtight to make this work. Since argon is a heavy gas it will form at bottom and up in car making it even harder since the head is near the ceiling of the car. It could work but you would need ridiculous amount of inert gas to pull it off.

There is a reason the bag or scuba/hood is used, to minimize the environment you breathe from making it quicker to replace the oxygen and using way less gas.

Thank you for your advice. I'll continue with my research and i'll look into a few more methods. It's odd how complicated and overwhelming it seems when death really is the most straight forward thing when you think about it. Btw, going of your username I think we might be from the same country.

 

[Kapsyl]

Thank you for your advice. I'll continue with my research and i'll look into a few more methods. It's odd how complicated and overwhelming it seems when death really is the most straight forward thing when you think about it. Btw, going of your username I think we might be from the same country.

Usually the society is built to protect us from accidentally harming ourself, this fact is what stops most suicidal people from dying peacefully. Since if a method is easy, convenient and not painful accidents are bound to happened to someone who isn't suicidal. Hanging is not especially complicated and been used for a long time with high mortality rate.

This is more complicated since it's more peaceful, but once you find all the parts it's really not complicated and easy to use, even if I heard some are struggling with the bag.

I figured it out that too were from the same country, your name is quite revealing. How about you send me a pm when your post count is higher and the option of sending pm is revealed to you, I could provide the parts I'm bought for my setup.

 

[Alex Fermentopathy]

So you knocked over the tank when you went unconscious?

Yes, that's the case. It seemed like I had seizures when I was unconscious.

The PPH says the bag should be snug but not tight around the neck

As for non-native english-speaker, it leaves doubts as for how close to the skin the snug exactly is. Some pictures would be perfect.

You were using helium, are you sure it was high purity?

I had not tested it, but it should be so, since it was from the company which supplies gases for welders.

Did you use a helium gas regulator/flowmeter?

Yes, my flowmeter was exactly for a helium.

 

[Pikmin]

As for non-native english-speaker, it leaves doubts as for how close to the skin the snug exactly is. Some pictures would be perfect.

It should be slightly closed around your neck, but not choking you. You should be able to fit your fingers under the part of the bag around your neck.

 

[Pikmin]

How big of a tank is recommended for Nitrogen at 25lpm?

 

[roku6]

Something which is bothering me that I can barely find success stories with inert gas method despite it is expected to be the most peaceful way.
I saw Vizzy's and LetzteAusfahrt's setup for example and in the end they went by a different method.
What could be the flaw in these methods, why did they abandon it?

 

[winterparty]

Something which is bothering me that I can barely find success stories with inert gas method despite it is expected to be the most peaceful way.
I saw Vizzy's and LetzteAusfahrt's setup for example and in the end they went by a different method.
What could be the flaw in these methods, why did they abandon it?

Quote vizzys method please