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sm1the

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Considering that nitrogen is slightly lighter than air, at a flow rate of 15l/m I would say that any O2 is pushed out of the hood/bag pretty quickly, maybe just a few seconds.... Also the hood is pre-filled with nitrogen before you pull it down to the head. Maybe do a test but this time you pre-fill the hood/bag beforehand? Sorry this is all I can help with. I hope your health sitation improves.
Hood needs to have a normal O2% (20.9%) before testing starts.
We are testing-
1- time it takes from when 25lpm is started(gas turned on) to 0% O2.
2-Then,testing how long it can hold a very low(under 5%) O2 environment AFTER gas is turned off.(I'm not too sure if many ppl do this,but I saw 1 or 2 did so I added this part of the test.).

Thanks for trying to help,I do appreciate it.
 
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AndyXD6060

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Aug 6, 2026
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Exit Bag and Inert Gas Basics —A very, very long post, I know, but I feel like I've fielded a lot of questions about this, so I figured I'd spell out everything I know. Others on the forum should please add to this thread whatever reliable technical information they feel is appropriate for someone attempting this method to have.

The idea behind using an exit bag with inert gas is to create an atmosphere around your head that is both free of life-sustaining O2 and can carry away the exhaled CO2 that would activate your hypercapnic alarm.

The Gas:

You will need to keep the inert gas flowing at 15 liters per minute (Lpm) for 40 minutes to be confident of ending your life —in other words, you'll need a minimum of 600 liters of inert gas. In the past this would have been helium (He), but due to the uncertain availability of genuinely pure He, the best current options are nitrogen (N2) and argon (Ar). Both are reliably available in pure form (no air contamination) from stores that supply welders. N2 is also available from some brewery supply houses, but the purity of the gas should be confirmed to your satisfaction. Both N2 and Ar should work to ctb and are similar enough in their properties to be treated identically for use with an exit bag.

Pressurized gas cylinder sizes are not standardized across the industry, nor internationally, and it can be difficult, if not impossible, to tell how much gas they contain from a photograph on a website.

In the US, a 20 cubic foot (cf) cylinder is the smallest you should use for ctb; a 40cf will allow some margin for flinching, practicing, etc. "A 20cf" and "a 40cf", or "a 20" and "a 40" is nomenclature US welding supply houses will recognize, so asking for either should get you the desired product. A 20cf cylinder is quite small for industrial use; I've had clerks tell me, "well, we have a 40, but we'll need to special order a 20." It's up to you what you do in that situation. Personally, I have a 40cf cylinder. It has allowed me to flinch and abort my attempt three times now, and I don't need to worry about refilling it. I bought my N2 at AirGas, a national company here in the US. They do not demand any sort of professional certification for purchasing inert gas, and no more than the usual forms of ID depending on payment method.

I know nothing of gas cylinders outside the US, so if you are using other than US-typical cylinders, you'll need to call and ask to make sure whatever tank you're contemplating holds 600L of compressed gas. Hopefully knowledgeable forum members will add cylinder sizing information to this knowledge base.

Cover story: N2 and Ar are both used for welding. N2 is used in beer brewing. In my day job, I use both N2 and Ar to flood partial cans of expensive paint, to displace the O2 in the cans and prevent the paint from skinning over and going bad. It's a cost saving measure. The clerks I've bought gas from have never heard of that trick, which has meant they don't know enough to interrogate me on my motives or to try and quiz me on my welding knowledge. They have merely said, "huh! That's a new one!"

The store clerk may ask how you're carrying the pressurized cylinder "back to your shop," since pressurized cylinders can be very hazardous to transport (the valve is vulnerable to damage in an accident). I haven't had any trouble when I have told the clerk, "in the back footwell of my car, and very carefully padded!" What they really want to know is that you are aware that a pressurized cylinder is a missile waiting to explode if anything damages it, and that you know enough to not let that happen.

Hey thankyou for this but I am in need of your help please can u respond, I need help am stuck so badly , I dont know what to do , I have so many issues and questions
 
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h4ppyhypoxia

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Aug 8, 2026
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hello, after an attempt to CTB last month my family is on high alert, meaning im not able to act atm, when i move out late next month, ill be proceeding with my plan, however ill be living in student accommodation, so i cant order N2 directly to my building as its a prohibited item, due to this, ill have to order it to a local pick up point

my problem is that the only nitrogen bottles ive seen on ebay are 2L (28 mins gas flow) or 8L (82 minutes) the 8L bottle i found comes with a regulator and tubing, but the only issue is that it weighs 15kg and is 82cm, so id have trouble transporting it, ive not got a car, so id have to get an uber from the pick up point, and carry it up some stairs to get to my room, would you recommend attempting to carry the 15kg bottle (im around 41kg) or just attempting to CTB with the 2L bottle? im not able to order gas directly from the supplier as i have no car and I doubt they would hand it over if i told them i was transporting it in an uber, also the 8L bottle is 82cm so the driver might have some questions but i could fit the 2L bottle in my bag safely

was thinking of ordering 2 bottles of the 2L nitrogen bottles and only setting off the second tank right before i put the eb over my head, but im concerned that will produce a surplus of gas and that the bag could potentially blow off my head

basically, what would you do in my situation? how risky is it to deviate from the recommended 40 mins of gas flow? saw exit say 2L of gas is suitable but after coming on here im not so sure
 

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