Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[Falling Slowly]

Eebd hood from the Chinese website.

You said in a previous post that you bought a hood without a hose attached. How did you eventually hook up the hose? Did you attach it to a valve on the front of the hood? Or did you attach it to the inside of the hood like people do with a plastic exit bag?
Or did you get a different hood with a hose already attached?

 

[wanttosleep]

You said in a previous post that you bought a hood without a hose attached. How did you eventually hook up the hose? Did you attach it to a valve on the front of the hood? Or did you attach it to the inside of the hood like people do with a plastic exit bag?
Or did you get a different hood with a hose already attached?

Different hood

 

[outrider567]

how long exactly does it take from the moment you put on the nitrogen-inflated hood until you lose consciousness?

You're supposed to pass out in less than a minute--If you don't then something is wrong--Also, depends on your LPM--Das Nichts is the only poster here who passed out, at 25 LPM, so you have to ask him how long that took

 

[Falling Slowly]

I found this cylinder from xxxx. would this be enough to kill me?

According to the data sheet it has a volume of 49 litres, way more than you need (it weighs 60kg/132 lbs).

5 -10 litres is all you need.

 

[Lion_50]

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[asian.neet]

According to the data sheet it has a volume of 49 litres, way more than you need (it weighs 60kg/132 lbs).

5 -10 litres is all you need.

ok sounds good

 

[asian.neet]

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According to the data sheet it has a volume of 49 litres, way more than you need (it weighs 60kg/132 lbs).

5 -10 litres is all you need.

For context since my picture was deleted it was an internet listing of a tank that said helium 300 or smth and I didn't know how much I needed or what that meant

 

[Falling Slowly]

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For context since my picture was deleted it was an internet listing of a tank that said helium 300 or smth and I didn't know how much I needed or what that meant

Yeah, the different types of cylinder measurements can be confusing. There's usually info on the website, often giving the water volume, which was 49 litres in that case. Volume of compressed gas is different, multiply the water volume by the bar pressure of the cylinder to get the approximate compressed gas volume.

On this thread, like I said, people usually recommend a cylinder volume (water volume) of at least 5 litres.

 

[randal_bond]

I wonder if there're any threads where the exit bag attempt has been successful. I see so many posts here where people fail. Never saw a successful one. I guess the gas is diluted.

 

[wanttosleep]

I wonder if there're any threads where the exit bag attempt has been successful. I see so many posts here where people fail. Never saw a successful one. I guess the gas is diluted.

Well it is kind of hard to post it worked if it was successful.

 

[Falling Slowly]

I wonder if there're any threads where the exit bag attempt has been successful. I see so many posts here where people fail. Never saw a successful one. I guess the gas is diluted.

There definitely has been successful cases mentioned in this thread before, mostly either using SCBA/SCUBA setups or via a hood. Obviously it's hard to know whether people successfully ctb or just disappeared from the website.

The PPH talks more about the exit bag method.

 

[winterparty]

so you have an example: I will CTB today using this method. If I don't show up again, it works.

 

[wanttosleep]

so you have an example: I will CTB today using this method. If I don't show up again, it works.

May you find peace

 

[NoFutureAnymore]

On this thread, like I said, people usually recommend a cylinder volume (water volume) of at least 5 litres.

At 200 bar. So 1000l uncompressed air.

 

[randal_bond]

so you have an example: I will CTB today using this method. If I don't show up again, it works.

Yes, that's what I was looking for.

 

[asian.neet]

I found another cylinder with 8 liters of nitrogen and its significantly lighter to carry than the other container I found. Would that be enough?

 

[Readytogohome]

Good day my friends, might I ask your advice? I have the clickstyle regulator recommended by GasMonkey for US residents. I also have the yellow EEBD hood from China. My question is which exact coupler/adapter is needed to connect the hose to the regulator, I'm a granny who is hopeless with fittings and such. Here is what the hose connection looks like. Thank you!

 

[sensenmann]

I found another cylinder with 8 liters of nitrogen and its significantly lighter to carry than the other container I found. Would that be enough?

It is enough, how much liters does the other container have?

 

[asian.neet]

It is enough, how much liters does the other container have?

A lot more than needed.

My parents also found my exit bag they won't stfu

 

[Falling Slowly]

Good day my friends, might I ask your advice? I have the clickstyle regulator recommended by GasMonkey for US residents. I also have the yellow EEBD hood from China. My question is which exact coupler/adapter is needed to connect the hose to the regulator, I'm a granny who is hopeless with fittings and such. Here is what the hose connection looks like. Thank you!

Hard to tell what kind of connection you have just by looking at the pic. It looks like a different connection to the hood I have, so it may not fit a Rectus 95 ks coupler that fits my hood hose. Or the Draeger CEJN 344 series coupler that fits some Draeger hoods (female 1/4" NPT in U.S.). For U.S. regulators I think you also need an adaptor to go between the coupler and the regulator connection. (CGA 032 to 1/4" NPT adapter?).

Might be just easier to cut the connector off the hose and connect it directly to the regulator connection with a hose clamp like this :

 

[wanttosleep]

Good day my friends, might I ask your advice? I have the clickstyle regulator recommended by GasMonkey for US residents. I also have the yellow EEBD hood from China. My question is which exact coupler/adapter is needed to connect the hose to the regulator, I'm a granny who is hopeless with fittings and such. Here is what the hose connection looks like. Thank you!

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/nitrogen-gas-with-eebd-hood-guide-inert-gas-method.122159/ I suggest checking this out

 

[ClownWorld2023]

How do you do a blackout test with the eebd hood?

It's too risky to do a blackout test with an EEBD hood if you ask me.


I will use a regular plastic bag for this when I do a blackout test later.

I found another cylinder with 8 liters of nitrogen and its significantly lighter to carry than the other container I found. Would that be enough?

It should be enough.

What's the working pressure of the cylinder? (In bar, or psi)

Good day my friends, might I ask your advice? I have the clickstyle regulator recommended by GasMonkey for US residents. I also have the yellow EEBD hood from China. My question is which exact coupler/adapter is needed to connect the hose to the regulator, I'm a granny who is hopeless with fittings and such. Here is what the hose connection looks like. Thank you!

It can be difficult to identify the connector / thread type that's used for the EEBD hood.
You'd need to take accurate measurements of the connector, the thread and the hose.

Is it possible to contact the supplier and ask them what the hose connector type is?

 

[RazorWing]

It's too risky to do a blackout test with an EEBD hood if you ask me.


I will use a regular plastic bag for this when I do a blackout test later.

Thank you for feedback. I did think the EEBD would be very risky as it's designed to fit semi-snug around the next so if you blackout, how is it going to fall off.

How is a plastic bag any less risky?

I understand the SCBA blackout as your just holding the mask on until you blackout and as soon as you do the mask will fall off and you will breath normal oxygen again.

 

[ClownWorld2023]

Thank you for feedback. I did think the EEBD would be very risky as it's designed to fit semi-snug around the next so if you blackout, how is it going to fall off.

How is a plastic bag any less risky?

I understand the SCBA blackout as your just holding the mask on until you blackout and as soon as you do the mask will fall off and you will breath normal oxygen again.

The EEBD is too risky, because you might not be able to remove it in time.
In the case of the plastic bag, it can be easily removed or even completely ripped off should something go wrong regardless.


You'd do the same procedure as if you were going to ctb with a few adjustments.
You don't adjust the elastic cord, and instead will hold the bag with both of your hands.

You hyperventilate during the time it takes to pre-fill the bag.
Once it's fully inflated, you stop the regulator flow and pull it down and hold the bag with both hands.

Breathe for about 15-30 seconds until you black out.
Your hands should let go of the bag after blacking out.


NOTE: I have not tried this myself yet, but will do so later.
I suggest waiting for my result before trying it yourself, in case my method doesn't work or proves to be dangerous.

 

[sensenmann]

Thank you for feedback. I did think the EEBD would be very risky as it's designed to fit semi-snug around the next so if you blackout, how is it going to fall off.

How is a plastic bag any less risky?

I understand the SCBA blackout as your just holding the mask on until you blackout and as soon as you do the mask will fall off and you will breath normal oxygen again.

The SCBA blackout is good but you will lose some gas.

 

[RazorWing]

The EEBD is too risky, because you might not be able to remove it in time.
In the case of the plastic bag, it can be easily removed or even completely ripped off should something go wrong regardless.


You'd do the same procedure as if you were going to ctb with a few adjustments.
You don't adjust the elastic cord, and instead will hold the bag with both of your hands.

You hyperventilate during the time it takes to pre-fill the bag.
Once it's fully inflated, you stop the regulator flow and pull it down and hold the bag with both hands.

Breathe for about 15-30 seconds until you black out.
Your hands should let go of the bag after blacking out.


NOTE: I have not tried this myself yet, but will do so later.
I suggest waiting for my result before trying it yourself, in case my method doesn't work or proves to be dangerous.

Thank you for clarifying. Please let us know how you get on.

The SCBA blackout is good but you will lose some gas.

Just wondering why you would lose gas as I thought the SCBA had a demand valve and once the mask comes off after blackout, it will stop supply?

 

[sensenmann]

Thank you for clarifying. Please let us know how you get on.

Just wondering why you would lose gas as I thought the SCBA had a demand valve and once the mask comes off after blackout, it will stop supply?

I may have mixed up PP and non-PP, maybe someone can clarify.

 

[mcis5942]

My argon flowmeter for nitrogen setup has just arrived, it's different from what advertised though, it reads SCFH instead of LPM.

Should I just source for another flowmeter in LPM?

Or can I use below method to convert LPM to SCFH?
12.8 LPM = 27.12 CFH
I'm not sure if SCFH and CFH are the same? Most websites convert with CFH instead of SCFH.

There are calculators in the interwebs to convert LPM to CFH.
15 LPM = 31,78 CFH.

In the case of this regulator the 30 CFH option of the selector looks perfect, that's equivalent to 14,15 LPM which will be higher with Nitrogen since it is calibrated for Argon. In an Argon calibrated flow meter the equivalent to 15 LPM while using Nitrogen is 12,7 LPM.​

Unfortunately the blog mentioned here was taken down..

Your flow rate is set too high; it should be set around 12LPM. You can find the calculations on my blog; it is the August 28th entry. (You can find my blog under my photo, under my name.)

I'm getting a little panic here as I'm not familiar with these technical terms.. thank you all for the advice and help

 

[ClownWorld2023]

My argon flowmeter for nitrogen setup has just arrived, it's different from what advertised though, it reads SCFH instead of LPM.

Should I just source for another flowmeter in LPM?

Or can I use below method to convert LPM to SCFH?
12.8 LPM = 27.12 CFH
I'm not sure if SCFH and CFH are the same? Most websites convert with CFH instead of SCFH.



Unfortunately the blog mentioned here was taken down..



I'm getting a little panic here as I'm not familiar with these technical terms.. thank you all for the advice and help

For our case, it doesn't really matter.
You can just treat SCFH as CFH in this case.




I looked it up, and simplified: The actual flow rate varies depending on the actual temperature (ambient, room temperature) and atmospheric pressure.

https://learnmetrics.com/scfm-vs-cfm-and-scfm-to-cfm-conversion/

The website has a calculator, but it uses CFM, which is much higher than CFH.

A quick approximation showed me that the actual flow rate varies by 2 LPM at best, given two spaces where one has an ambient room temperature of 15C celcius and the other 37C celcius.

 

[Username1]

I'm from Russia. As far as I understand, I need a G3/4 - DIN300 adapter for the SCBA method. I tried to find him, but I couldn't. Can someone tell me if the adapter has the right name? If suddenly there is someone from Russia who goes with the SCBA method and he found this adapter, please write me a personal message. (In addition, I found that Drager products are not shipped to Russia, perhaps you can order from abroad, but I do not know how)

Someone has a saved Greenberg blog?