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Tnx for correcting, I mistakenly thought we were talking about bar instead of psi.

I don't know where you're from, but I've got 2 local stores where I can buy prefilled tanks online with a guaranteed 99,99% helium. I don't need to test it (sure, I'd do a test run). These are stores for professionals and there are official documents:
- technische info
- productbladen
- veiligheidsbladen

The latter are used for transport and necessary for fire department in case of an accident. The helium is used for professional welding and diving. Maybe that doesn't mean much where you're from, but I'm willing to bet my life (pun intended) that there's 99,99% helium in those tanks.

EOD

Ok you can go on record on here saying it's not necessary to test your prefilled online gas that's fine .

Just for those reading this , keep in mind while Tommy is 100% confident in his local supply or online / or where he buys his prefilled gas etc, I'm gonna be the one going on record saying you should absolutely test your gas especially if it's prefilled helium .

there's over 200 countries in the world all with different regulations / quality standards etc, Tommy's confidence in his gas shouldnt extend to a generality .And not to mention countless anecdotes of people complaining their prefilled helium tanks aren't pure.

Difference of opinion. Totally fine , they happen . Not sure why you wouldnt test tbh , takes two seconds and the consequences of bd purity are unimaginable
 
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@kudaphillips how would you go about testing it's purity??
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@kudaphillips how would you go out test it's purity??
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Pph implores everyone to test the gas .they recommend the cy12c oxygen analyzer . I got mine for 20$ usd but I think thit prices hve gone up . Theree a million different analyzers out there online all
Different prices .

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Ok you can go on record on here saying it's not necessary to test your prefilled online gas that's fine .

Just for those reading this , keep in mind while Tommy is 100% confident in his local supply or online / or where he buys his prefilled gas etc, I'm gonna be the one going on record saying you should absolutely test your gas especially if it's prefilled helium .

there's over 200 countries in the world all with different regulations / quality standards etc, Tommy's confidence in his gas shouldnt extend to a generality .And not to mention countless anecdotes of people complaining their prefilled helium tanks aren't pure.

Difference of opinion. Totally fine , they happen . Not sure why you wouldnt test tbh , takes two seconds and the consequences of bd purity are unimaginable
That's very cute, your Trump-like use of a nickname. I'm not impressed though. I'm saying I don't find it necessary for me not to trust what is on these official documents. Testing can be easily done by filling the exit bag, pulling it over your head, turning the valve off and take a deep breath in. If you're not out in 3 minutes you either have a leak somewhere or the helium is mixed.
Pph implores everyone to test the gas .they recommend the cy12c oxygen analyzer . I got mine for 20$ usd but I think thit prices hve gone up . Theree a million different analyzers out there online all
Different prices .

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I have the PPeH Dutch edition, last review Oct 6 2024 (see attachment). This passage isn't in it. They refer to MaxxiLine as a trustworthy supplier for 2,2 l disposable cylinders. Nothing about testing gas purity. I guess in Dutch speaking countries they can trust the suppliers. This probably differs for other countries; I only have access to the Dutch version, so I can't compare.
 

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That's very cute, your Trump-like use of a nickname. I'm not impressed though. I'm saying I don't find it necessary for me not to trust what is on these official documents. Testing can be easily done by filling the exit bag, pulling it over your head, turning the valve off and take a deep breath in. If you're not out in 3 minutes you either have a leak somewhere or the helium is mixed.

I have the PPeH Dutch edition, last review Oct 6 2024 (see attachment). This passage isn't in it. They refer to MaxxiLine as a trustworthy supplier for 2,2 l disposable cylinders. Nothing about testing gas purity. I guess in Dutch speaking countries they can trust the suppliers. This probably differs for other countries; I only have access to the Dutch version, so I can't compare.

I had to reread my posts to see where I gave you a "nickname" . I see now your name is tommen/ not Tommy . Not sure why that offended you or why you chose to compare it to trump and get hostile but im sorry I called you Tommy . Is Tommy some sort of slang or insult in your country? I can see being offended or associating it with Trump if I said like .. tampon Tommy .. but just Tommy ? ..dunno.. beyond the point

Dude, I am not trying to gotcha you or anything . Conflcit is the last thing I want in a kill yourself group .

You don't believe in testing the gas on prefilled cylinders , or in general . And I do. Totally fine. Not sure why that invokes a hostile response

I do not doubt Dutch suppliers are bar none and I'm actually sure I'd trust them way more than American. I'm Trying to stress tht not everyone is from where you are .

Wouldn't mind if other experienced members lent their opinion .

Tommen thinks an adequate test for your gas is just to fill bag / stop the gas and pull it over head, and tht purity testing with cy-12c is dumb and uneccesary
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I don't agree and think this is potentially dangerous to trust online prefilled cylinders without being certain of the purity . You could pass out and not reach the proper threshold for unrecoverable brain activity and cause damage without dying .
@outrider567 @exitingtothevoid

And again , tommen I am NOT trying to cause conflict or gotchya you or anything . This is important. We have two members saying completely different things . I'm happy to be wrong . If testing the gas shouldn't be done , and we can assume all gas is pure and should just test by attempting ctb without knowing for sure , I wil gladly withdraw and digress .
 
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I didn't mean to set sh!t off people, I'm sorry 😞 I'm just after some advice that's all as I know absolutely nothing about gas or purity or flow meters or regulators or any of that stuff and I just want a clean, fast and painless CTB that's all as I'm too much of a pu55y to dangle or slice.
Please don't get heated remember text on a screen doesn't carry a tone and is easy to misunderstand
 
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100%

I'm not trying to be mean at all . I thought his name was Tommy . I misread . Even then I don't see how Tommy is offensive . I dunno . It's all good though . We've got a member saying to trust online prefilled gas because he trusts his Dutch gas and testing is unimportant and you can just test it in the manner he suggested and I think it's important other members weigh in on our debate . If consensus says I'm wrong I'll fuck off 100%
 
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100%

I'm not trying to be mean at all . I thought his name was Tommy . I misread . Even then I don't see how Tommy is offensive . I dunno . It's all good though . We've got a member saying to trust online prefilled gas because he trusts his Dutch gas and testing is unimportant and you can just test it in the manner he suggested and I think it's important other members weigh in on our debate . If consensus says I'm wrong I'll fuck off 100%
Let's just be clear:

1. I trust the (professional) suppliers in my country. I bought helium for balloons in a local online store (to be compared with Amazon). Online it said 99% helium, but the tank says nothing, no papers, so I wouldn't trust that. But the professional suppliers provide official documents which I'm inclined to trust. They have a physical shop, but they also sell online and deliver.

2. I never said to trust suppliers all over the world. I was talking about my country.

3. My PPeH says nothing about gas purity testing. This doesn't mean it isn't mentioned in an English version.

4. The simple test I suggested isn't nearly as efficient as what you're proposing. Of course not. I should have made that clear. There's nothing wrong with extensive testing.

5. I'm not putting any energy anymore in this back and forth. Plain text isn't nearly as clear as spoken word face to face. Misunderstands happen (Q.E.D.). The fact that English isn't my native tongue probably has something to do wiith it.
 
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I didn't mean to set sh!t off people, I'm sorry 😞
You're fine buddy. I think some users just had a difference of opinion, possible confusion, but you are absolutely fine. Don't worry about it. You apologized 3 or 4 times in that one comment, no need to do that but very thoughtful of you to do. But it was not needed!

That's very cute, your Trump-like use of a nickname. I'm not impressed though. I'm saying I don't find it necessary for me not to trust what is on these official documents.
Tommen, I truly do not believe that user meant to give you a nickname nor to insult you in anyway. They even replied with an apology, let's get back on discussion and topic if possible. It sounds like a simple misunderstanding.

Misunderstands happen (

EDIT: You have now also noted this, which is great. Let's chalk it up and move on.

I had to reread my posts to see where I gave you a "nickname" . I see now your name is tommen/ not Tommy . Not sure why that offended you or why you chose to compare it to trump and get hostile but im sorry I called you Tommy
Always great to see members own up to their mistakes, apologize and move on. Good stuff. Now back on the topic at hand!
You don't believe in testing the gas on prefilled cylinders , or in general . And I do. Totally fine. Not sure why that invokes a hostile response

I do not doubt Dutch suppliers are bar none and I'm actually sure I'd trust them way more than American. I'm Trying to stress tht not everyone is from where you are .

Wouldn't mind if other experienced members lent their opinion .
I don't agree and think this is potentially dangerous to trust online prefilled cylinders without being certain of the purity .
And again , tommen I am NOT trying to cause conflict or gotchya you or anything . This is important. We have two members saying completely different things . I'm happy to be wrong . If testing the gas shouldn't be done , and we can assume all gas is pure and just test by attempting ctb without knowing for sure , I wil gladly withdraw and digress .

I think most (most is definitely not "all", though) people would agree that it's generally unwise to blindly trust online sources regarding the purity levels of tanks. While there may be exceptions based on geographic location, it's not a one-size-fits-all situation for everyone. This aligns with your point about the importance of making individual assessments—what works for one person might not be suitable for another, and that's sound advice.

If someone has access to a reputable local store, they might feel more confident in the products being sold, especially given the various legitimate industrial applications that come with specific requirements. As you noted, different countries have varying levels of oversight, and even with that oversight, purity issues can still arise.

I never said to trust suppliers all over the world. I was talking about my country.
EDIT: now this is in the conversation, it is also a very important point which is what the other poster was getting at, so it seems the two of you are now actually aligned as well.

I guess in Dutch speaking countries they can trust the suppliers.
Absolutely, I think the previous poster was highlighting the importance of not becoming overly confident just because you have reliable access to a supplier. That's fantastic for you, but not everyone reading this can share that same level of assurance, and it's wise for them to be cautious when dealing with other suppliers. If others find themselves in a similar position, your insights are certainly valuable to them, so thank you for sharing those details!

Ultimately, everyone has the right to assess their own risks and make their own decisions. It's important to remember that while something may be "potentially" dangerous (not definitively so), not everyone comes from the same background or experience. Each reader has a unique perspective, so there isn't a one-size-fits-all answer.

Personally, I believe testing for purity is crucial for such an important task. However, everyone should base their decisions on their own research, personal anecdotes, and the credibility of their sources. No one is obligated to follow any particular path, but I do think that the risk of using an impure tank—and the potential long-term consequences—makes testing worthwhile. It may involve some additional expense for an analyzer (or even just a pulse oximeter test), but it can prevent costly failures and ensure that unsuitable tanks are avoided. It's also worth noting that some suppliers still claim to offer 99.999% pure helium without updating their information, and there are instances of potentially misleading claims, particularly from certain sources (for example only, out of China). Just because something was true in the past doesn't guarantee it's still accurate today.

It does not hurt anything to be cautious and research things further. Since every location is going to differ in access, especially when purchasing online it sure seems like a good idea to work to finding ways to mitigate risks and I think the general consensus is testing, some may say an analyzer others have said even a pulse ox on finger test run, could be a good idea [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15] although some people certainly have CTB with gas without testing purity. I think that's where the comfort level, if it was a reputable seller comes into play (with online perhaps being a little more difficult to assess).

There's nothing wrong with extensive testing.
EDIT: you have now commented with this, which I think it bingo on the money! There is absolutely nothing wrong with testing. It can only be a positive thing to do with no downside except finding out if a tank is unreliable (which is actually then still a good thing).


Everyone can make up their own mind on whether it is necessary depending on their individual comfort levels of course.

Hope everyone finds what they are looking for and gets peace & serenity!
 
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I didn't mean to set sh!t off people, I'm sorry 😞 I'm just after some advice that's all as I know absolutely nothing about gas or purity or flow meters or regulators or any of that stuff and I just want a clean, fast and painless CTB that's all as I'm too much of a pu55y to dangle or slice.
Please don't get heated remember text on a screen doesn't carry a tone and is easy to misunderstand
I agree 100% and you didn't set anything off, so don't worry. I apologise if I made you feel uneasy.
 
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I'm now looking at nitrogen from the same supplier, I'm just a little worried about questioning them too much and them working out it's not going to be used for welding and I'm on the blag (I know nothing about welding either)
😞. The supplier is gas.direct co UK (hopefully thats easy enough to figure out 👍) it's a nation wide distributer with a local collection point about 15 miles away. Their page says...

Specifications

  • Purity: 99.999%
  • Grade: 5.0
  • Impurities: H2O <3ppm, O2 <5ppm
  • EINECS: 231-783-9
Googling that EINECS thing I got a .gov.uk website with the following....

Purity

Water content Not more than 0,05 %

Carbon monoxide Not more than 10 μl/l

Methane and other hydrocarbons Not more than 100 μl/l (calculated as methane)

Nitrogen dioxide and nitrogen oxide Not more than 10 μl/l

Oxygen Not more than 1 %

Does that mean anything to anyone? I'm assuming it should be ok?

Many thanks to everyone who has taken the time to reply, it really is very much appreciated
 
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I'm now looking at nitrogen from the same supplier, I'm just a little worried about questioning them too much and them working out it's not going to be used for welding and I'm on the blag (I know nothing about welding either)
😞. The supplier is gas.direct co UK (hopefully thats easy enough to figure out 👍) it's a nation wide distributer with a local collection point about 15 miles away. Their page says...

Specifications

  • Purity: 99.999%
  • Grade: 5.0
  • Impurities: H2O <3ppm, O2 <5ppm
  • EINECS: 231-783-9
Googling that EINECS thing I got a .gov.uk website with the following....

Purity

Water content Not more than 0,05 %

Carbon monoxide Not more than 10 μl/l

Methane and other hydrocarbons Not more than 100 μl/l (calculated as methane)

Nitrogen dioxide and nitrogen oxide Not more than 10 μl/l

Oxygen Not more than 1 %

Does that mean anything to anyone? I'm assuming it should be ok?

Many thanks to everyone who has taken the time to reply, it really is very much appreciated

you seem to have a concern of the purity of the gas you are considering buying.

So … get it .. and test it . Or don't test it . . Depends who you want to listen to

The only thing tht matters is the oxygen percentage .( I'm assuming this is nitrogen/ helium or argon I didn't see what gas it is )
 
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I'm just trying to cover all basis and not waste money as I don't have deep pockets at all and funds are extremely limited 😔 my thinking is if that is from a gov.uk website then they will HAVE to conform to those regulations otherwise they would get fxxked for it. I'm mainly looking for confirmation those specifications are good.
As always thank you for taking the time to reply
 
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I'm just trying to cover all basis and not waste money as I don't have deep pockets at all and funds are extremely limited 😔 my thinking is if that is from a gov.uk website then they will HAVE to conform to those regulations otherwise they would get fxxked for it. I'm mainly looking for confirmation those specifications are good.
As always thank you for taking the time to reply
I mean I don't know what else to say about this .
You are unsure about the gas
An easy solution is just to test it.

especially if your trying to " cover all bases "
Not testing it would be the opposite of that .

Maybe other members can tell you 100% certainty that gas is 100% gonna be fine .

And it probably is fine . But why listen to random people on the internet when you could just test it and know for sure .
 
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Would I just need to test for O2 or should I testing for CO2 or anything else? When I say I'm clueless I'm genuinely being serious, I don't know my arse from my elbow when it comes to any of this so I really am sorry for sounding so fxxking stupid
 
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Question. I have the Final Exit book and accompanying DVD Video the explains and shows various methods. How reliable is that book for effectiveness? And they have an exit bag.method WITHOUT the Inert gas. They do have sedatives-sleeping pills with it; not enough to CTB amount. It just just enough to have you fall asleep with the bag on and CTB. Would this work? Or would survival instinct (SI) kick in even if you fell asleep, i.e. your body would sense it and stop you even if intent was strong.

I really want to use the Inert gas. But avaliablity is limited. And I just want to freaking go already. I have had enough pain so I don't want my end method to be painful.

Exiting should be easier and the world should allow it. Not on a whim but after all else fails. It should not be so hard.

I just want to get out.
 
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Question. I have the Final Exit book and accompanying DVD Video the explains and shows various methods. How reliable is that book for effectiveness? And they have an exit bag.method WITHOUT the Inert gas. They do have sedatives-sleeping pills with it; not enough to CTB amount. It just just enough to have you fall asleep with the bag on and CTB. Would this work? Or would survival instinct (SI) kick in even if you fell asleep, i.e. your body would sense it and stop you even if intent was strong.

I really want to use the Inert gas. But avaliablity is limited. And I just want to freaking go already. I have had enough pain so I don't want my end method to be painful.

Exiting should be easier and the world should allow it. Not on a whim but after all else fails. It should not be so hard.

I just want to get out.

I'm right there with you . Fucking over it .

I don't know about the pills and exit bag without gas , pretty sure your SI could kick in .

Your in America you can also get shotgun pretty easily . Within the same day

I go back and forth every 5 minutes if I prefer shotgun or inert gas . I Spent a lot of time on ththe firearm threads.
 
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Pph implores everyone to test the gas .they recommend the cy12c oxygen analyzer . I got mine for 20$ usd but I think thit prices hve gone up . Theree a million different analyzers out there online all
Different prices .

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Doesn't sound like they 'implore' everyone to test the gas--It says, 'IF you have any concerns'
 
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I got my N tank so easily. Acted completely clueless and told the saleman my uncle sent me out on this errand for him and needed it for peach and apricot preservation. Easy peasy.
 
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Question. I have the Final Exit book and accompanying DVD Video the explains and shows various methods. How reliable is that book for effectiveness? And they have an exit bag.method WITHOUT the Inert gas. They do have sedatives-sleeping pills with it; not enough to CTB amount. It just just enough to have you fall asleep with the bag on and CTB. Would this work? Or would survival instinct (SI) kick in even if you fell asleep, i.e. your body would sense it and stop you even if intent was strong.

I really want to use the Inert gas. But avaliablity is limited. And I just want to freaking go already. I have had enough pain so I don't want my end method to be painful.

Exiting should be easier and the world should allow it. Not on a whim but after all else fails. It should not be so hard.

I just want to get out.
I'm not sure what the method is called, but from what I've read about it here it's not a good choice. Apparently, SI does indeed kick in, even when taking sleeping pills.
I'm now looking at nitrogen from the same supplier, I'm just a little worried about questioning them too much and them working out it's not going to be used for welding and I'm on the blag (I know nothing about welding either)
😞. The supplier is gas.direct co UK (hopefully thats easy enough to figure out 👍) it's a nation wide distributer with a local collection point about 15 miles away. Their page says...

Specifications

  • Purity: 99.999%
  • Grade: 5.0
  • Impurities: H2O <3ppm, O2 <5ppm
  • EINECS: 231-783-9
Googling that EINECS thing I got a .gov.uk website with the following....

Purity

Water content Not more than 0,05 %

Carbon monoxide Not more than 10 μl/l

Methane and other hydrocarbons Not more than 100 μl/l (calculated as methane)

Nitrogen dioxide and nitrogen oxide Not more than 10 μl/l

Oxygen Not more than 1 %

Does that mean anything to anyone? I'm assuming it should be ok?

Many thanks to everyone who has taken the time to reply, it really is very much appreciated
Grade 5.0 means it's 99,999%. I don't know about the rest. The supplier offers safety data sheets, so it looks professional. Their site says they have over a 100 years experience; you don't get that by screwing your customers over. And it's not like you're buying a helium tank for balloons from an (online) American shop. I wouldn't trust those as far as I can spit. But if you have doubts and want some piece of mind, do test it.

In case of nitrogen you can always say your uncle (who is not computer savvy and lost his local supplier) uses it to brew beer and you don't know much about it.
 
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@Tommen Baratheon I really do appreciate you taking the time to reply, it means a lot thank you so so much
 
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Doesn't sound like they 'implore' everyone to test the gas--It says, 'IF you have any concerns'
Right. But this is what I'm saying .

the person is obviously concerned about her prefilled cylinder . Testing seems easy solution
 
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Went to the local gas supplier and bought my 40 cubic feet of helium this morning. Walked in and just said "I need to purchase a 40 cubic feet cylinder of helium". Then he got it, I paid and I was gone. I dressed up sexy-ish to show the "girls" a little bit to distract. And I was light and casual.
 
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@Tommen Baratheon I really do appreciate you taking the time to reply, it means a lot thank you so so much
np I've been on sick leave since June, so I 've got time. (-;

Keep in mind though that I'm not an expert. Most of what I know was picked up from this very thread and then I've got the latest PPeH. I forgot when I paid for it, but it should be good for at least another year. I also have the book 'Uitweg' (Dignified Dying) by Boudewijn Chabot.

But he talks about using 2 small helium for balloon tanks without a regulator. I'd like a bit more control than that. He does warn about helium tanks in the US mixed up with oxygen to prevent people from ctb.
 
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Folks on this mega thread may like this post from @Talvikki about this film released by Boudewijn Chabot about the Nitrogen method (if someone on this thread already had posted it, sorry about that). They did a very nice summary and then I went ahead and provided a translation of the video from Dutch in case people wanted to understand what was said, although the imagery already pretty made it self evident. Nitrogen film - information about the nitrogen method
 
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Is there some bodily prep before inert gas and exit bag, similar to with SN? Do I need to do anything?
 
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I found a breathing apparatus close to home, but it says it's for 300-bar cylinders and mine is 200 bar. Does that mean it won't work?
 
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Are there examples of this working with young-ish and healthy people?

When I browse the Wikipedia list of suicides I see a lot of carbon monoxide (esp. East Asian music/film stars) but very few exit bags.
 
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Are there examples of this working with young-ish and healthy people?

When I browse the Wikipedia list of suicides I see a lot of carbon monoxide (esp. East Asian music/film stars) but very few exit bags.
Do a search for 'helium suicide'. Didn't take me long to find an example of a 17yo.
 
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