Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[Shunya]

Yes, you could hold it in place until you pass out I suppose. The only complications the purge valve not functioning correctly would cause is that your hippocampus alarm may engage from buildup of CO2 from your breath. Like I said, it still will probably work fine, but it just defeats the purpose of going, Eebd route if the purge valve isn't working.

I don't know why it is but your responses to my recent questions showed up on others post so I had no idea that you'd replied.

"The only complications the purge valve not functioning correctly would cause is that your hippocampus alarm may engage from buildup of CO2 from your breath"

What does that mean if I may ask? Will that cause choking, seizures or pain?

I already have the hood. Should I forget using it and look for an exit bag, you think? Did you build one on your own?

Been down with the flu so I'll check the purge valve as soon as I'm well.

Edit: I just checked it anyway. The hood expanded and retracted with my breath. I suppose it means the valve doesn't work? Is there a fix? When I unscrew that part from the outside, there's this little piece and a spring..

 

[kudaphillips]

I don't know why it is but your responses to my recent questions showed up on others post so I had no idea that you'd replied.

"The only complications the purge valve not functioning correctly would cause is that your hippocampus alarm may engage from buildup of CO2 from your breath"

What does that mean if I may ask? Will that cause choking, seizures or pain?

I already have the hood. Should I forget using it and look for an exit bag, you think? Did you build one on your own?

Been down with the flu so I'll check the purge valve as soon as I'm well.

Edit: I just checked it anyway. The hood expanded and retracted with my breath. I suppose it means the valve doesn't work? Is there a fix? When I unscrew that part from the outside, there's this little piece and a spring..
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I can't make any suggestions on here I can only tell my opinion . I prefer exit bag for the reasons I've stated , doesn't mean others will agree . What I meant by hippocampus alarm is that there could be a build up in co2 and this makes breathing more uncomfortable, kind of like air hunger . You don't get air hunger when co2 purges . It just increases chances you'll want to abort .

Yes it sounds like it's not working by the way you're describing it expanding and contracting with each breath
I don't know about my fix I assume there probably is a way but at that point with it not working , personally that's enough for me to abandon the method

Side note : I'm really gonna try and exit tonight . Gotta do it

 

[Shunya]

I can't make any suggestions on here I can only tell my opinion . I prefer exit bag for the reasons I've stated , doesn't mean others will agree . What I meant by hippocampus alarm is that there could be a build up in co2 and this makes breathing more uncomfortable, kind of like air hunger . You don't get air hunger when co2 purges . It just increases chances you'll want to abort .

Yes it sounds like it's not working by the way you're describing it expanding and contracting with each breath
I don't know about my fix I assume there probably is a way but at that point with it not working , personally that's enough for me to abandon the method

Side note : I'm really gonna try and exit tonight . Gotta do it

I was going through a conversation with @tearsintherain. He's not been active but has previously given his ok to share his advice or thoughts to others.
I thought you might like to see.





Sad to see you go already but I pray you succeed. I so appreciate your advice and replies on here. What method will you be using? The nitrogen+exit bag?

 

[kudaphillips]

I dunno I couldn't psych myself into it. Maybe tomorrow, though I've been saying this for months .
Yes as of now , my preferred method is exit bag. But to be honest , I might do some searching nd look for another method that maybe wil resonate more with me and finally get me to commit . I need this shit to happen ..
My fucking brain just won't let me do it .

I remember seeing something about putting a vice grip around your neck on this site , might look into that more

And ya about the purge valve I dunno. Mine doesn't work unless I hold it secure to my face . Yours doesn't seem to work … I dunno
Like I sid it still will work even with faulty purge valve ,

 

[Shunya]

I dunno I couldn't psych myself into it. Maybe tomorrow, though I've been saying this for months .
Yes as of now , my preferred method is exit bag. But to be honest , I might do some searching nd look for another method that maybe wil resonate more with me and finally get me to commit . I need this shit to happen ..
My fucking brain just won't let me do it .

I remember seeing something about putting a vice grip around your neck on this site , might look into that more

And ya about the purge valve I dunno. Mine doesn't work unless I hold it secure to my face . Yours doesn't seem to work … I dunno
Like I sid it still will work even with faulty purge valve ,

You can die anytime. I understand you needing it to happen, but if you're not ready as yet, it's ok. No need to rush. Nitrogen seems way better than the vice grip.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

Where should I store the nitrogen cylinder? I was going to put it in the closet next to my bed but ChatGPT said it can be hazardous since a leak could cause oxygen displacement, or it could get damaged and fly off or burst like a grenade, etc.

Is this just exaggerated and it's fine for me to store it in the closet, or should I really put it elsewhere? I don't really have another place to put it where it won't be discovered.

So ChatGPT says it could be damaged while storing the tank in a closet... Have you asked it how such a thing could happen? I'd say it's exaggerated.

 

[viadolorosa]

Thinking about the exit bag but need some help.

1. What size range for the bag is OK? PPeH says 35x50 cm. Any other suggestions?

2. PPeH and TiredHorse recommends micropore tape. Why - is it easy to remove without damage to the bag if you place it wrong? Any other tape suggestions?

Thanks.

 

[kudaphillips]

Thinking about the exit bag but need some help.

1. What size range for the bag is OK? PPeH says 35x50 cm. Any other suggestions?

2. PPeH and TiredHorse recommends micropore tape. Why - is it easy to remove without damage to the bag if you place it wrong? Any other tape suggestions?

Thanks.

I wondered this about the tape for a while also . My argument was all tapes seem to work fine , why micropore . I think it just works the best and sticks the best , duct tape sticks jut as well but maybe the added bulk isn't ideal for attaining a good air seal .
You def don't want a tape that's easy to remove that's exactly what you don't want , could come apart during the process .

Smaller bags hold less gas so more chance for air hunger

 

[exitingtothevoid]

1. What size range for the bag is OK? PPeH says 35x50 cm. Any other suggestions?

2. PPeH and TiredHorse recommends micropore tape. Why - is it easy to remove without damage to the bag if you place it wrong? Any other tape suggestions?

I wouldn't go smaller than the recommendation. My reasoning is that at a minimum you need more gas in the bag than your lung volume. (about 5 liters) Otherwise when you inhale it might pull air in from outside. Then you need safety factor and enough gas to dilute any exhaled co2. I have made a test bag following the PPeH recommendation and inflated it using a bike air pump and it felt like a good size.

I'm not sure if there is any downside to a larger bag other than it will take longer to inflate at the start.

Not sure why micropore tape is recommended. When I made my test bag I used packing tape and it seemed to work fine.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

I wondered this about the tape for a while also . My argument was all tapes seem to work fine , why micropore . I think it just works the best and sticks the best , duct tape sticks jut as well but maybe the added bulk isn't ideal for attaining a good air seal .
You def don't want a tape that's easy to remove that's exactly what you don't want , could come apart during the process .

Smaller bags hold less gas so more chance for air hunger

With duct tape the risk is higher it will tear holes in the exit bag.

 

[kudaphillips]

With duct tape the risk is higher it will tear holes in the exit bag.

How would this happen ? Pph recommended securing the micropore tape with duct tape

 

[Rinmo]

is there any specific name for the plastic bag for exit bag?
the picture in the PPH shows a transparent bag that usually used to store food but have some sort of cord built in. does the exit bag need to have a built in cord like that?

and what about the hose/tube? does it need to be on certain size minimum?

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

is there any specific name for the plastic bag for exit bag?
the picture in the PPH shows a transparent bag that usually used to store food but have some sort of cord built in. does the exit bag need to have a built in cord like that?

and what about the hose/tube? does it need to be on certain size minimum?

It's an oven bag, you can find it on Amzn. Maybe under 'turkey bag'?

How would this happen ? Pph recommended securing the micropore tape with duct tape

I have a subscription to PPeH, so I have the latest edition. I can not find that advise. In fact, not many words are used to describe the making of an exit bag. There's a video (or 2)! though.

How could the duct tape damage the bag? I guess by pulling the elastic cord the bag wrinkles and maybe like that? The Betty video shows only micropore tape IIRC. She uses an extra piece of tape for the exit of the elastic cord.

 

[kudaphillips]

It's an oven bag, you can find it on Amzn. Maybe under 'turkey bag'?

I have a subscription to PPeH, so I have the latest edition. I can not find that advise. In fact, not many words are used to describe the making of an exit bag. There's a video (or 2)! though.

How could the duct tape damage the bag? I guess by pulling the elastic cord the bag wrinkles and maybe like that? The Betty video shows only micropore tape IIRC. She uses an extra piece of tape for the exit of the elastic cord.

I'd be interested to see where it says not to use duct tape if you have tht . This is not meant to be a gotcha or anything , this important . If it truly says duct tape will cause problems I'd like to know

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

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I'd be interested to see where it says not to use duct tape if you have tht . This is not meant to be a gotcha or anything , this important . If it truly says duct tape will cause problems I'd like to know

The part about not using duct tape isn't in the PPeH. I read it online, maybe even here in this forum.

The PPeH (I have the Oct 6 2024 edition) is in fact very brief about how to make an exit bag. And that's probably because it contains a video on how to make it: Doing it yourself with Betty. Betty uses micropore tape which you can get at the pharmacist.

Here's a link to the video:
www.veoh.com/watch/v15857852SNBFDqej

 

[kudaphillips]

The part about not using duct tape isn't in the PPeH. I read it online, maybe even here in this forum.

The PPeH (I have the Oct 6 2024 edition) is in fact very brief about how to make an exit bag. And that's probably because it contains a video on how to make it: Doing it yourself with Betty. Betty uses micropore tape which you can get at the pharmacist.

Here's a link to the video:
www.veoh.com/watch/v15857852SNBFDqej

Ok, ya ive seen Betty . Just wanted to make sure it wasn't pph or nitchkee saying tht , because I think strengthening the bag by adding a Few slices of duct tape over weak spots over the micropore is a good idea , I'd disagree with whoever said it's bad. The mp sticks well , but not that well
Lot of people on here have said completwly incorrect things

.( for example ) For a while there ws a narrative that nitrogen is heavier than air and would seep out of the bag, credible members were touting this

this is completely false nitrogen is slightly lighter than ambient air

 

[Rinmo]

Oh so the bag with cord was custom made. That video really clear things up for me.
I still have question on the hose/tube size though. Does the newer PPH have any info about it? Or it doesn't matter?

 

[outrider567]

So ChatGPT says it could be damaged while storing the tank in a closet... Have you asked it how such a thing could happen? I'd say it's exaggerated.

The Nitrogen Tank is never damaged by storing it in a closet--I've had mine in my utility room for 2.5 years and it still is in perfect shape, 125 cu ft, 3500 Liters, PSI still at 1600---The only think that hurts a Nitrogen Tank are temperatures over 125 degrees, then it will start spitting

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

Oh so the bag with cord was custom made. That video really clear things up for me.
I still have question on the hose/tube size though. Does the newer PPH have any info about it? Or it doesn't matter?

Well, it matters because it has to fit on the tank or better, the regulator. The tubing can be bought at Amzn, search for 'oxygen tubing'.

 

[PlannedforPeru]

Do you know if there is anything I need to do in advance that'll increase my chances of not missing the bus using nitrogen? So far here's what I got:

1. ) Go to remote location (already picked).
2. ) Test purity in EEBD hood with mannequin head, aiming for below 0. (nitrogen is at least 99.5%)
3. ) Flow rate with argon regulator around 35 LPM, (+40 cf canister).
3. ) Drink some beers while testing until buzzed (reason for during instead of after below).
4. ) Hyperventilate / deep breaths for two minutes while the hood band is on my forehead filling up.
5.) Put the hood on and try to watch some videos.

I'm not all too familiar with the anatomy of the hood as I'll refine my process when it arrives, I'm assuming it has some neck band to prevent gases going in & out.

I know drinking can impair my motor functions but its at the trade-off of trying to approach this as I would any other activity; like I'm cooking a new food recipe. I worry if I am methodical to an insane degree it'll risk flaring up my SI.

Few last details, I'm doing this in the backseat of my car sitting / partially leaning back on the floor with the canister in between my arms and legs. I'm 6'4 (193 cm) and around 200 lbs (90.8 kg).

Is there anything that looks off in my plan? Additionally, would alcohol or any specific diet beforehand physiologically alter how I interact with the gas?


Thanks in advance, and to contribute back to anyone reading this, if you want to go this route order the hood waaaaaaaaaay ahead of time if you are in the US.

 

[standingfast]

Went down to the Inert gas place today. Looks lik 40 cubic ft tank about $145 and $60 for helium, plus tax and hazmat fee. Tricky going in there to justify it and they asked what I was using it for. I just said I wanted to have it for balloons. Either way it was awkward. I was upbeat. Hard to find good source of this stuff. Back in 2008 when I was making my first attempts, the party balloon tanks were still pure. I wish there was a more anonymous way to get this stuff.

 

[christinadler]

Has anyone here ever tried passing out with inert gas? How about survival instinct?

 

[onegigasecond]

Is 3.4L sufficient or should i request for a larger nitrogen cylinder?

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

Do you know if there is anything I need to do in advance that'll increase my chances of not missing the bus using nitrogen? So far here's what I got:

1. ) Go to remote location (already picked).
2. ) Test purity in EEBD hood with mannequin head, aiming for below 0. (nitrogen is at least 99.5%)
3. ) Flow rate with argon regulator around 35 LPM, (+40 cf canister).
3. ) Drink some beers while testing until buzzed (reason for during instead of after below).
4. ) Hyperventilate / deep breaths for two minutes while the hood band is on my forehead filling up.
5.) Put the hood on and try to watch some videos.

I'm not all too familiar with the anatomy of the hood as I'll refine my process when it arrives, I'm assuming it has some neck band to prevent gases going in & out.

I know drinking can impair my motor functions but its at the trade-off of trying to approach this as I would any other activity; like I'm cooking a new food recipe. I worry if I am methodical to an insane degree it'll risk flaring up my SI.

Few last details, I'm doing this in the backseat of my car sitting / partially leaning back on the floor with the canister in between my arms and legs. I'm 6'4 (193 cm) and around 200 lbs (90.8 kg).

Is there anything that looks off in my plan? Additionally, would alcohol or any specific diet beforehand physiologically alter how I interact with the gas?


Thanks in advance, and to contribute back to anyone reading this, if you want to go this route order the hood waaaaaaaaaay ahead of time if you are in the US.

There's no need to fill up the EEBD hood; this is only when you use an exit bag. You need to put it on immediately. And you won't have time to watch some videos. If you're not out in 3 minutes, then there's something wrong.

Is 3.4L sufficient or should i request for a larger nitrogen cylinder?

What does it say about pressure? Do you see anything with 'PW' or 'bar'?

Went down to the Inert gas place today. Looks lik 40 cubic ft tank about $145 and $60 for helium, plus tax and hazmat fee. Tricky going in there to justify it and they asked what I was using it for. I just said I wanted to have it for balloons. Either way it was awkward. I was upbeat. Hard to find good source of this stuff. Back in 2008 when I was making my first attempts, the party balloon tanks were still pure. I wish there was a more anonymous way to get this stuff.

Have you tried online? I've found 2 dealers in Belgium that will deliver at home and you don't even need to have a business, you can buy it as a private person (I'm sure the translation is wrong, we say 'particulier', which means a person without a business).

 

[onegigasecond]

What does it say about pressure? Do you see anything with 'PW' or 'bar'?

Refurbished 3.4L 150 bar steel cylinders with BS8 valve (Empty) $150.00/cyl

Food grade pure nitrogen 99.999% $25.00/cyl

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

Refurbished 3.4L 150 bar steel cylinders with BS8 valve (Empty) $150.00/cyl

Food grade pure nitrogen 99.999% $25.00/cyl

So you have 3,4 liter multiplied by 150 bar. This equals to 510 liter compressed nitrogen. If you set it to 15 l/min: 510 / 15 = 34 minutes. I know with helium it can take up to 16 minutes until you ctb. I don't know if it's the same with nitrogen. If I would guess (!) I'd say it's enough, but it doesn't leave much room to give it a trial run.

 

[onegigasecond]

If you set it to 15 l/min: 510 / 15 = 34 minutes. I know with helium it can take up to 16 minutes until you ctb. I don't know if it's the same with nitrogen. If I would guess (!) I'd say it's enough, but it doesn't leave much room to give it a trial run.

How do i set it to 15L/min? the regulator i am offered is a : Gentec Single Stage Nitrogen Regulator 452IN-175

genstartech.com/medium-duty-single-stage-cylinder-regulators-0

Is there a way to calculate based off Psi/Bar? or do i have to purchase one of those argon flow rate attachments?

Thank you btw, you've been a great help tommen

 

[PlannedforPeru]

There's no need to fill up the EEBD hood; this is only when you use an exit bag. You need to put it on immediately. And you won't have time to watch some videos. If you're not out in 3 minutes, then there's something wrong.

Thank you for the feedback, there's no prep I need to do for EEBD hood except replace the gas source? I'm not sure if the regulator can naturally fit with the EEBD hose hood since I'm still waiting on them. But I ordered two hoods so I can experiment, if it doesn't connect I was thinking of using a hole clamp with the cut hose.

Does anything else seem cause for concern do you think?

 

[Msvr]

Thank you for the feedback, there's no prep I need to do for EEBD hood except replace the gas source? I'm not sure if the regulator can naturally fit with the EEBD hose hood since I'm still waiting on them. But I ordered two hoods so I can experiment, if it doesn't connect I was thinking of using a hole clamp with the cut hose.

Does anything else seem cause for concern do you think?

For eebd hoods the hose won't connect to a regulator properly. You'll have to cut the connector off the hose (the hose itself should still be 1/4' ID) and then attach the hose with a worm gear clamp. But other then that, everything should indeed be set up already.

 

[PlannedforPeru]

For eebd hoods the hose won't connect to a regulator properly. You'll have to cut the connector off the hose (the hose itself should still be 1/4' ID) and then attach the hose with a worm gear clamp. But other then that, everything should indeed be set up already.

Seriously, thank you for the help, both you and @Tommen Baratheon! I'm hoping that everything goes seamlessly but I may post back here if I feel I run into issues.