Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[kudaphillips]

It's an oven bag, you can find it on Amzn. Maybe under 'turkey bag'?

I have a subscription to PPeH, so I have the latest edition. I can not find that advise. In fact, not many words are used to describe the making of an exit bag. There's a video (or 2)! though.

How could the duct tape damage the bag? I guess by pulling the elastic cord the bag wrinkles and maybe like that? The Betty video shows only micropore tape IIRC. She uses an extra piece of tape for the exit of the elastic cord.

I'd be interested to see where it says not to use duct tape if you have tht . This is not meant to be a gotcha or anything , this important . If it truly says duct tape will cause problems I'd like to know

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

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I'd be interested to see where it says not to use duct tape if you have tht . This is not meant to be a gotcha or anything , this important . If it truly says duct tape will cause problems I'd like to know

The part about not using duct tape isn't in the PPeH. I read it online, maybe even here in this forum.

The PPeH (I have the Oct 6 2024 edition) is in fact very brief about how to make an exit bag. And that's probably because it contains a video on how to make it: Doing it yourself with Betty. Betty uses micropore tape which you can get at the pharmacist.

Here's a link to the video:
www.veoh.com/watch/v15857852SNBFDqej

 

[kudaphillips]

The part about not using duct tape isn't in the PPeH. I read it online, maybe even here in this forum.

The PPeH (I have the Oct 6 2024 edition) is in fact very brief about how to make an exit bag. And that's probably because it contains a video on how to make it: Doing it yourself with Betty. Betty uses micropore tape which you can get at the pharmacist.

Here's a link to the video:
www.veoh.com/watch/v15857852SNBFDqej

Ok, ya ive seen Betty . Just wanted to make sure it wasn't pph or nitchkee saying tht , because I think strengthening the bag by adding a Few slices of duct tape over weak spots over the micropore is a good idea , I'd disagree with whoever said it's bad. The mp sticks well , but not that well
Lot of people on here have said completwly incorrect things

.( for example ) For a while there ws a narrative that nitrogen is heavier than air and would seep out of the bag, credible members were touting this

this is completely false nitrogen is slightly lighter than ambient air

 

[Rinmo]

Oh so the bag with cord was custom made. That video really clear things up for me.
I still have question on the hose/tube size though. Does the newer PPH have any info about it? Or it doesn't matter?

 

[outrider567]

So ChatGPT says it could be damaged while storing the tank in a closet... Have you asked it how such a thing could happen? I'd say it's exaggerated.

The Nitrogen Tank is never damaged by storing it in a closet--I've had mine in my utility room for 2.5 years and it still is in perfect shape, 125 cu ft, 3500 Liters, PSI still at 1600---The only think that hurts a Nitrogen Tank are temperatures over 125 degrees, then it will start spitting

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

Oh so the bag with cord was custom made. That video really clear things up for me.
I still have question on the hose/tube size though. Does the newer PPH have any info about it? Or it doesn't matter?

Well, it matters because it has to fit on the tank or better, the regulator. The tubing can be bought at Amzn, search for 'oxygen tubing'.

 

[PlannedforPeru]

Do you know if there is anything I need to do in advance that'll increase my chances of not missing the bus using nitrogen? So far here's what I got:

1. ) Go to remote location (already picked).
2. ) Test purity in EEBD hood with mannequin head, aiming for below 0. (nitrogen is at least 99.5%)
3. ) Flow rate with argon regulator around 35 LPM, (+40 cf canister).
3. ) Drink some beers while testing until buzzed (reason for during instead of after below).
4. ) Hyperventilate / deep breaths for two minutes while the hood band is on my forehead filling up.
5.) Put the hood on and try to watch some videos.

I'm not all too familiar with the anatomy of the hood as I'll refine my process when it arrives, I'm assuming it has some neck band to prevent gases going in & out.

I know drinking can impair my motor functions but its at the trade-off of trying to approach this as I would any other activity; like I'm cooking a new food recipe. I worry if I am methodical to an insane degree it'll risk flaring up my SI.

Few last details, I'm doing this in the backseat of my car sitting / partially leaning back on the floor with the canister in between my arms and legs. I'm 6'4 (193 cm) and around 200 lbs (90.8 kg).

Is there anything that looks off in my plan? Additionally, would alcohol or any specific diet beforehand physiologically alter how I interact with the gas?


Thanks in advance, and to contribute back to anyone reading this, if you want to go this route order the hood waaaaaaaaaay ahead of time if you are in the US.

 

[standingfast]

Went down to the Inert gas place today. Looks lik 40 cubic ft tank about $145 and $60 for helium, plus tax and hazmat fee. Tricky going in there to justify it and they asked what I was using it for. I just said I wanted to have it for balloons. Either way it was awkward. I was upbeat. Hard to find good source of this stuff. Back in 2008 when I was making my first attempts, the party balloon tanks were still pure. I wish there was a more anonymous way to get this stuff.

 

[christinadler]

Has anyone here ever tried passing out with inert gas? How about survival instinct?

 

[onegigasecond]

Is 3.4L sufficient or should i request for a larger nitrogen cylinder?

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

Do you know if there is anything I need to do in advance that'll increase my chances of not missing the bus using nitrogen? So far here's what I got:

1. ) Go to remote location (already picked).
2. ) Test purity in EEBD hood with mannequin head, aiming for below 0. (nitrogen is at least 99.5%)
3. ) Flow rate with argon regulator around 35 LPM, (+40 cf canister).
3. ) Drink some beers while testing until buzzed (reason for during instead of after below).
4. ) Hyperventilate / deep breaths for two minutes while the hood band is on my forehead filling up.
5.) Put the hood on and try to watch some videos.

I'm not all too familiar with the anatomy of the hood as I'll refine my process when it arrives, I'm assuming it has some neck band to prevent gases going in & out.

I know drinking can impair my motor functions but its at the trade-off of trying to approach this as I would any other activity; like I'm cooking a new food recipe. I worry if I am methodical to an insane degree it'll risk flaring up my SI.

Few last details, I'm doing this in the backseat of my car sitting / partially leaning back on the floor with the canister in between my arms and legs. I'm 6'4 (193 cm) and around 200 lbs (90.8 kg).

Is there anything that looks off in my plan? Additionally, would alcohol or any specific diet beforehand physiologically alter how I interact with the gas?


Thanks in advance, and to contribute back to anyone reading this, if you want to go this route order the hood waaaaaaaaaay ahead of time if you are in the US.

There's no need to fill up the EEBD hood; this is only when you use an exit bag. You need to put it on immediately. And you won't have time to watch some videos. If you're not out in 3 minutes, then there's something wrong.

Is 3.4L sufficient or should i request for a larger nitrogen cylinder?

What does it say about pressure? Do you see anything with 'PW' or 'bar'?

Went down to the Inert gas place today. Looks lik 40 cubic ft tank about $145 and $60 for helium, plus tax and hazmat fee. Tricky going in there to justify it and they asked what I was using it for. I just said I wanted to have it for balloons. Either way it was awkward. I was upbeat. Hard to find good source of this stuff. Back in 2008 when I was making my first attempts, the party balloon tanks were still pure. I wish there was a more anonymous way to get this stuff.

Have you tried online? I've found 2 dealers in Belgium that will deliver at home and you don't even need to have a business, you can buy it as a private person (I'm sure the translation is wrong, we say 'particulier', which means a person without a business).

 

[onegigasecond]

What does it say about pressure? Do you see anything with 'PW' or 'bar'?

Refurbished 3.4L 150 bar steel cylinders with BS8 valve (Empty) $150.00/cyl

Food grade pure nitrogen 99.999% $25.00/cyl

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

Refurbished 3.4L 150 bar steel cylinders with BS8 valve (Empty) $150.00/cyl

Food grade pure nitrogen 99.999% $25.00/cyl

So you have 3,4 liter multiplied by 150 bar. This equals to 510 liter compressed nitrogen. If you set it to 15 l/min: 510 / 15 = 34 minutes. I know with helium it can take up to 16 minutes until you ctb. I don't know if it's the same with nitrogen. If I would guess (!) I'd say it's enough, but it doesn't leave much room to give it a trial run.

 

[onegigasecond]

If you set it to 15 l/min: 510 / 15 = 34 minutes. I know with helium it can take up to 16 minutes until you ctb. I don't know if it's the same with nitrogen. If I would guess (!) I'd say it's enough, but it doesn't leave much room to give it a trial run.

How do i set it to 15L/min? the regulator i am offered is a : Gentec Single Stage Nitrogen Regulator 452IN-175

genstartech.com/medium-duty-single-stage-cylinder-regulators-0

Is there a way to calculate based off Psi/Bar? or do i have to purchase one of those argon flow rate attachments?

Thank you btw, you've been a great help tommen

 

[PlannedforPeru]

There's no need to fill up the EEBD hood; this is only when you use an exit bag. You need to put it on immediately. And you won't have time to watch some videos. If you're not out in 3 minutes, then there's something wrong.

Thank you for the feedback, there's no prep I need to do for EEBD hood except replace the gas source? I'm not sure if the regulator can naturally fit with the EEBD hose hood since I'm still waiting on them. But I ordered two hoods so I can experiment, if it doesn't connect I was thinking of using a hole clamp with the cut hose.

Does anything else seem cause for concern do you think?

 

[Msvr]

Thank you for the feedback, there's no prep I need to do for EEBD hood except replace the gas source? I'm not sure if the regulator can naturally fit with the EEBD hose hood since I'm still waiting on them. But I ordered two hoods so I can experiment, if it doesn't connect I was thinking of using a hole clamp with the cut hose.

Does anything else seem cause for concern do you think?

For eebd hoods the hose won't connect to a regulator properly. You'll have to cut the connector off the hose (the hose itself should still be 1/4' ID) and then attach the hose with a worm gear clamp. But other then that, everything should indeed be set up already.

 

[PlannedforPeru]

For eebd hoods the hose won't connect to a regulator properly. You'll have to cut the connector off the hose (the hose itself should still be 1/4' ID) and then attach the hose with a worm gear clamp. But other then that, everything should indeed be set up already.

Seriously, thank you for the help, both you and @Tommen Baratheon! I'm hoping that everything goes seamlessly but I may post back here if I feel I run into issues.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

How do i set it to 15L/min? the regulator i am offered is a : Gentec Single Stage Nitrogen Regulator 452IN-175

genstartech.com/medium-duty-single-stage-cylinder-regulators-0

Is there a way to calculate based off Psi/Bar? or do i have to purchase one of those argon flow rate attachments?

Thank you btw, you've been a great help tommen

I don't know how you can convert it. This is a piece of the puzzle that I'm missing myself. I have an argon regulator in mind that I could use with nitrogen and it shows l/min. I've read here that in that case, pressure should be 17 l/min instead of 15 l/min, because nitrogen and argon aren't the same, but there doesn't seem to be a clear answer to that. I'm just repeating what I've read, so far.

The tank I would choose is 20l and 200 bar, so 4.000 liter of compressed nitrogen. So even with a higher pressure this should be enough.

Thank you for the feedback, there's no prep I need to do for EEBD hood except replace the gas source? I'm not sure if the regulator can naturally fit with the EEBD hose hood since I'm still waiting on them. But I ordered two hoods so I can experiment, if it doesn't connect I was thinking of using a hole clamp with the cut hose.

Does anything else seem cause for concern do you think?

I haven't read much about t using an EEBD as I'm choosing a self made exit bag. I know pressure needs to 25 l/min instead of 15 l/min.

Another difference: with an exit bag you fill the bag with gas, exhale and then pull the bag down and inhale. With an EEBD you can't do that. It needs to be ready, on your face, so you have to hold your breath for a moment while the hood is being filled with gas.

PPeH talks about the use of an EEBD, but my version of the PPeH is in Dutch. I've made screenshots (and will do that again before my subscription expires), but videos aren't avaible and you can't scan the text to translate since it's not a PDF. Maybe Google Lens could help, but that would a lot of work.

 

[PlannedforPeru]

PPeH talks about the use of an EEBD, but my version of the PPeH is in Dutch. I've made screenshots (and will do that again before my subscription expires), but videos aren't avaible and you can't scan the text to translate since it's not a PDF. Maybe Google Lens could help, but that would a lot of work.

I appreciate all of the help you have given me over these past few posts and continue to offer, I can't ask you to go out of your way to send me screenshots as I'll probably do another pass through with the 2019 edition and make do. If you do decide to send them, I'll see if I can find a way to translate from Dutch and share them with you (just to have both handy).

 

[exitingtothevoid]

How do i set it to 15L/min? the regulator i am offered is a : Gentec Single Stage Nitrogen Regulator 452IN-175

genstartech.com/medium-duty-single-stage-cylinder-regulators-0

Is there a way to calculate based off Psi/Bar? or do i have to purchase one of those argon flow rate attachments?

Thank you btw, you've been a great help tommen

I think that regulator is just a regulator, not a combined regulator and flow meter. The regulator only reduces the pressure from the extreme high pressure that is in the bottle. A flow meter is needed to control the quantity of gas that is coming out.

 

[SomewhereAlongThe]

I'm wondering if you have to adjust the lpm from 15 lpm to 17 lpm with an argon regulator like this:



It says it can also be used for gases like Helium and CO2, so I'm guessing no, right?

 

[killmesoftly]

I NEED HELP. I hastily attempted to ctb last month with He, however my SI kicked in and luckily so after reading over this thread because I didn't have it set up right. However I've been trying to research to get it right and I'm beyond confused, there are no specific instructions on sourcing the gas, regulator and flowmeter depending on country/region and I don't know how in the hell to figure this out myself. I can't access the PPH bc I'm not old enough and the only version I can find doesn't give specific enough instructions. Please please help me. I'm desperate for a way out.

 

[AbyssalAlien]

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Important to note. Most helium tanks will have oxygen mixed with them and if you use one of those it will leave brain damaged instead.

Nitrogen gas is the better solution. I heard Argon works too.

I'm wondering if you have to adjust the lpm from 15 lpm to 17 lpm with an argon regulator like this:

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It says it can also be used for gases like Helium and CO2, so I'm guessing no, right?

Noble gasses only

 

[thot88]

Is a 10-liter bottle of argon enough to get out?

 

[SomewhereAlongThe]

Important to note. Most helium tanks will have oxygen mixed with them and if you use one of those it will leave brain damaged instead.

Nitrogen gas is the better solution. I heard Argon works too.

Noble gasses only

I'm sorry, but what do you mean by noble gases only? Do you mean I can only use the regulator with noble gases, because it also says it's compatible with cO2, or do you mean I only have to adjust the 15lpm with noble gases?

Is a 10-liter bottle of argon enough to get out?

No a 10-liter bottle is hardly enough considering that you need 500 litres to exit with nitrogen, at least 45 min of gas to make sure you're dead.

 

[AbyssalAlien]

For the method, noble gasses are better suited. Specifically pure helium and nitrogen. I have heard of argon also being suited, but I have not seen or read about an argon based exit bag.

 

[oono]

Are there people who will use the SCUBA method?

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

I'm wondering if you have to adjust the lpm from 15 lpm to 17 lpm with an argon regulator like this:

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It says it can also be used for gases like Helium and CO2, so I'm guessing no, right?

Does it say anything about nitrogen? Then again, you could simply choose helium.

Is a 10-liter bottle of argon enough to get out?

Depends on what the pressure is. For instance, if it is 200 bar, then you have 2.000 liter (10 l * 200 bar) of compressed argon.

 

[SomewhereAlongThe]

Does it say anything about nitrogen? Then again, you could simply choose helium.

No, but I read you can use it with nitrogen. I've already gotten the nitrogen tank, so unfortunately I can't choose helium.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

No a 10-liter bottle is hardly enough considering that you need 500 litres to exit with nitrogen, at least 45 min of gas to make sure you're dead.

You can't say that without knowing what the pressure (bar or PW) is. If the 10 l tank is 200 bar, then it contains 2.000 l of compressed argon. I have no idea about the differences between argon and nitrogen or what l/min should be set.

Also, 500 l nitrogen at 15 l/min., that's 33 minutes, so 500 l wouldn't be enough (even though death with helium occurs between 6 and 16 minutes, source: Dignified dying (Uitweg) by Boudewijn Chabot).

Important to note. Most helium tanks will have oxygen mixed with them and if you use one of those it will leave brain damaged instead.

I'm sorry, but that's not true. In the US (!) most helium tanks for balloons (!) are mixed with 20% oxygen to prevent people to ctb. However, if you get the industrial kind (helium can be used for welding) you can find tanks with 99,99% helium. I can get one of those delivered at home.