Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[outrider567]

Thanks, outrider. Much like MaxDog, if they were selling regulators they were likely not manufacturing them. Medline here in the US and Cramer Decker Medical seem to be sources of the regulators with the black dial on the side. Do you have one of those? If so is there any additional information on the regulator itself?

I have a 'click' style regulator/flowmeter, you click the LPM rate by turning a black knob

 

[Allla]

I found such regulator with a flask, but my mood spoiled

 

[emptyh]

Several people in the US have mentioned Airgas as a source for nitrogen. Can you buy everything you need (tank, regulator, hose, etc.) from that type of store or do they just fill tanks that customers bring in?

Thanks!

 

[mercifulend]

Could I use a supplied air mask in place of a bag? I have concerns about the bag coming off.

I was looking at this mask:

Allegro 9901 Low Pressure Supplied Air Full Mask-Universal Size

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There's also a high pressure version. Im unsure which one would be preferable. Thanks in advance for any insight

 

[SomewhereAlongThe]

I need an excuse for picking up a nitrogen cylinder.

So far I told them that I have a boyfriend that uses it for his business, but what business? I'm picking up an 80 cuft cylinder (size 16) so it's quite a bit of nitrogen.

What can I say he does?

 

[Msvr]

Several people in the US have mentioned Airgas as a source for nitrogen. Can you buy everything you need (tank, regulator, hose, etc.) from that type of store or do they just fill tanks that customers bring in?

Thanks!

Airgas won't sell regulators, you'll need to buy those online. If you are in a situation where you can't order items to your house, there are stores where you could have shipped to the store for pickup. Grainger for example.
As for the hose, you won't find that at Airgas either. You need a 1/4 inch medical hose, you may need to order that online from Amazon or whatever. A pharmacy like CVS or Walgreens may have some in store

I need an excuse for picking up a nitrogen cylinder.

So far I told them that I have a boyfriend that uses it for his business, but what business? I'm picking up an 80 cuft cylinder (size 16) so it's quite a bit of nitrogen.

What can I say he does?

I can't speak for all experiences ofc, but when I purchased my N2 from Airgas they didn't ask me any questions. I was in and out in 2 minutes. If you have to say something you could say laser cutting. The welding shop employee isn't likely to know much about that to question you. Just spend a few minutes online/chatgpt learning the basics.
Also I wouldn't say that it's for a business, just say hobby projects. Businesses would typically use like 300 cu ft tanks, and it might seem odd to the employee that your boyfriend doesn't just have a supplier already set up.

 

[kudaphillips]

I need an excuse for picking up a nitrogen cylinder.

So far I told them that I have a boyfriend that uses it for his business, but what business? I'm picking up an 80 cuft cylinder (size 16) so it's quite a bit of nitrogen.

What can I say he does?

If they do ask which they shouldn't , just keep it simple I wouldn't even do any research or anything , just say getting it for my boss / running an errand for your boss/ running errand for your friend and I have no idea why he needs it if you act like you know what it's for and they keep asking questions they'll know you don't know shit . This happened to me once wish would played more dumb rather than act like I was a welder

 

[mercifulend]

Several people in the US have mentioned Airgas as a source for nitrogen. Can you buy everything you need (tank, regulator, hose, etc.) from that type of store or do they just fill tanks that customers bring in?

Thanks!

If you don't want to/can't order online:

You can get a hose at most hardware stores. I have bought them at Home Depot before.

You can find a regulator at Harbor Freight or Tractor Supply.

 

[Mitch3ll]

Oh man I really messed up today. My first real attempt at doing the deed and I absolutely panicked and had to massive abort. Which sucks because I don't know if I'll have a place to stay tonight or the future and my setup isn't exactly discreet and easily moved. So I've got a fairly large bag which easily could contribute to my failure. It's one of the 5gal pail liners. Took a minute to fill, and actually had to do it twice because I discovered that the hose barb connector wasn't tightened properly and had a bit of a leak. Second attempt again super focused on the procedure and the bag fill & my body position that once it was time to pull the bag down I had forgotten to exhale prior to pulling it down. So now I'm kinda overwhelmed by the procedure with the bag on my head and start breathing faster then I realized that there was a bunch of exhaled co2 in the space. My brain panicked and I got scared so I aborted. Oh man. So now I'm scared about whether I'm going to finally get the boot tonight or if I'll have another chance. But I'm so scared to try again. I don't actually want to die, but don't want to be on the street (living on gov disability).
Anyways. Fear is great & absolute bullsh*t as well.

 

[mrwizard11]

Is a non-rebreather (NRB) mask (the oxygen type mask with the bag attached) effective? If not, where can I get a full face mask for use with Nitrogen? Please DM if necessary. I'm in the US.

 

[Mitch3ll]

So I posted the other day about my experience. just two posts up I think. Something I've noticed is .. well I'm way too scared to try it again. Even with being faced with homelessness in the next few day, being broke and winter coming. The first experience was just too traumatic. The other thing I noticed and I'm still feeling it, is a sharp pinch, or pain kind of dead centre in my head. I first noticed it when I thought maybe I was getting too much Co2 and I bailed. But a few days later. That pain or discomfort is still there. Anyone have any experience with head pain after an attempt. I don't have access to a doctor to begin with... but say it gets worse... how do I even begin to explain this pain. haha... sooooo you see.. there was a giant bag full of nitrogen that just so happened to land on my head, weirdest thing ever.

 

[snailluvr]

this is a very silly question, but I'm planning on doing this at a hotel with an argon tank. is the tank going to be loud and draw attention to my room? will the gas set off alarms? again, silly question but i want to make sure this goes perfectly

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

So I posted the other day about my experience. just two posts up I think. Something I've noticed is .. well I'm way too scared to try it again. Even with being faced with homelessness in the next few day, being broke and winter coming. The first experience was just too traumatic. The other thing I noticed and I'm still feeling it, is a sharp pinch, or pain kind of dead centre in my head. I first noticed it when I thought maybe I was getting too much Co2 and I bailed. But a few days later. That pain or discomfort is still there. Anyone have any experience with head pain after an attempt. I don't have access to a doctor to begin with... but say it gets worse... how do I even begin to explain this pain. haha... sooooo you see.. there was a giant bag full of nitrogen that just so happened to land on my head, weirdest thing ever.

I've read people having a headache after a test run, so I don't think it's uncommon. It probably has something to do with the extra stress you're experiencing as well.

 

[kudaphillips]

So I posted the other day about my experience. just two posts up I think. Something I've noticed is .. well I'm way too scared to try it again. Even with being faced with homelessness in the next few day, being broke and winter coming. The first experience was just too traumatic. The other thing I noticed and I'm still feeling it, is a sharp pinch, or pain kind of dead centre in my head. I first noticed it when I thought maybe I was getting too much Co2 and I bailed. But a few days later. That pain or discomfort is still there. Anyone have any experience with head pain after an attempt. I don't have access to a doctor to begin with... but say it gets worse... how do I even begin to explain this pain. haha... sooooo you see.. there was a giant bag full of nitrogen that just so happened to land on my head, weirdest thing ever.

I'm not sure what nature of your ailments are , but my opinion ( and I'm pretty confident) is that from the trauma and stress of the experience you induced some symptoms , stress related , nervous system rerated. You are already in an extremely stressed situation , ( as we all are ) . Pretty confident inert gas wouldn't do anything like this UNLESS you were oxygen deprived enough where you went unconscious., then anything is on the table .

 

[mrwizard11]

this is a very silly question, but I'm planning on doing this at a hotel with an argon tank. is the tank going to be loud and draw attention to my room? will the gas set off alarms? again, silly question but i want to make sure this goes perfectly

No. It is highly unlikely the hotel would have gas detectors in a hotel room. The sound of the gas escaping is very quiet, assuming you are using a regulator. If you open the tank without a regulator, it will make a very high pitched sound of air escaping a very small hole.

 

[kudaphillips]

No. It is highly unlikely the hotel would have gas detectors in a hotel room. The sound of the gas escaping is very quiet, assuming you are using a regulator. If you open the tank without a regulator, it will make a very high pitched sound of air escaping a very small hole.

Not only unlikely , it's not possible . Most of the air we breathe is the same composition as what's coming out of the tank . Also it really isn't that loud . The tv on mid volume would probably mask any noise from the tank

 

[Kawaii_Shoujo215]

Where should I store the nitrogen cylinder? I was going to put it in the closet next to my bed but ChatGPT said it can be hazardous since a leak could cause oxygen displacement, or it could get damaged and fly off or burst like a grenade, etc.

Is this just exaggerated and it's fine for me to store it in the closet, or should I really put it elsewhere? I don't really have another place to put it where it won't be discovered.

 

[Shunya]

Yes, you could hold it in place until you pass out I suppose. The only complications the purge valve not functioning correctly would cause is that your hippocampus alarm may engage from buildup of CO2 from your breath. Like I said, it still will probably work fine, but it just defeats the purpose of going, Eebd route if the purge valve isn't working.

I don't know why it is but your responses to my recent questions showed up on others post so I had no idea that you'd replied.

"The only complications the purge valve not functioning correctly would cause is that your hippocampus alarm may engage from buildup of CO2 from your breath"

What does that mean if I may ask? Will that cause choking, seizures or pain?

I already have the hood. Should I forget using it and look for an exit bag, you think? Did you build one on your own?

Been down with the flu so I'll check the purge valve as soon as I'm well.

Edit: I just checked it anyway. The hood expanded and retracted with my breath. I suppose it means the valve doesn't work? Is there a fix? When I unscrew that part from the outside, there's this little piece and a spring..

 

[kudaphillips]

I don't know why it is but your responses to my recent questions showed up on others post so I had no idea that you'd replied.

"The only complications the purge valve not functioning correctly would cause is that your hippocampus alarm may engage from buildup of CO2 from your breath"

What does that mean if I may ask? Will that cause choking, seizures or pain?

I already have the hood. Should I forget using it and look for an exit bag, you think? Did you build one on your own?

Been down with the flu so I'll check the purge valve as soon as I'm well.

Edit: I just checked it anyway. The hood expanded and retracted with my breath. I suppose it means the valve doesn't work? Is there a fix? When I unscrew that part from the outside, there's this little piece and a spring..
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I can't make any suggestions on here I can only tell my opinion . I prefer exit bag for the reasons I've stated , doesn't mean others will agree . What I meant by hippocampus alarm is that there could be a build up in co2 and this makes breathing more uncomfortable, kind of like air hunger . You don't get air hunger when co2 purges . It just increases chances you'll want to abort .

Yes it sounds like it's not working by the way you're describing it expanding and contracting with each breath
I don't know about my fix I assume there probably is a way but at that point with it not working , personally that's enough for me to abandon the method

Side note : I'm really gonna try and exit tonight . Gotta do it

 

[Shunya]

I can't make any suggestions on here I can only tell my opinion . I prefer exit bag for the reasons I've stated , doesn't mean others will agree . What I meant by hippocampus alarm is that there could be a build up in co2 and this makes breathing more uncomfortable, kind of like air hunger . You don't get air hunger when co2 purges . It just increases chances you'll want to abort .

Yes it sounds like it's not working by the way you're describing it expanding and contracting with each breath
I don't know about my fix I assume there probably is a way but at that point with it not working , personally that's enough for me to abandon the method

Side note : I'm really gonna try and exit tonight . Gotta do it

I was going through a conversation with @tearsintherain. He's not been active but has previously given his ok to share his advice or thoughts to others.
I thought you might like to see.





Sad to see you go already but I pray you succeed. I so appreciate your advice and replies on here. What method will you be using? The nitrogen+exit bag?

 

[kudaphillips]

I dunno I couldn't psych myself into it. Maybe tomorrow, though I've been saying this for months .
Yes as of now , my preferred method is exit bag. But to be honest , I might do some searching nd look for another method that maybe wil resonate more with me and finally get me to commit . I need this shit to happen ..
My fucking brain just won't let me do it .

I remember seeing something about putting a vice grip around your neck on this site , might look into that more

And ya about the purge valve I dunno. Mine doesn't work unless I hold it secure to my face . Yours doesn't seem to work … I dunno
Like I sid it still will work even with faulty purge valve ,

 

[Shunya]

I dunno I couldn't psych myself into it. Maybe tomorrow, though I've been saying this for months .
Yes as of now , my preferred method is exit bag. But to be honest , I might do some searching nd look for another method that maybe wil resonate more with me and finally get me to commit . I need this shit to happen ..
My fucking brain just won't let me do it .

I remember seeing something about putting a vice grip around your neck on this site , might look into that more

And ya about the purge valve I dunno. Mine doesn't work unless I hold it secure to my face . Yours doesn't seem to work … I dunno
Like I sid it still will work even with faulty purge valve ,

You can die anytime. I understand you needing it to happen, but if you're not ready as yet, it's ok. No need to rush. Nitrogen seems way better than the vice grip.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

Where should I store the nitrogen cylinder? I was going to put it in the closet next to my bed but ChatGPT said it can be hazardous since a leak could cause oxygen displacement, or it could get damaged and fly off or burst like a grenade, etc.

Is this just exaggerated and it's fine for me to store it in the closet, or should I really put it elsewhere? I don't really have another place to put it where it won't be discovered.

So ChatGPT says it could be damaged while storing the tank in a closet... Have you asked it how such a thing could happen? I'd say it's exaggerated.

 

[viadolorosa]

Thinking about the exit bag but need some help.

1. What size range for the bag is OK? PPeH says 35x50 cm. Any other suggestions?

2. PPeH and TiredHorse recommends micropore tape. Why - is it easy to remove without damage to the bag if you place it wrong? Any other tape suggestions?

Thanks.

 

[kudaphillips]

Thinking about the exit bag but need some help.

1. What size range for the bag is OK? PPeH says 35x50 cm. Any other suggestions?

2. PPeH and TiredHorse recommends micropore tape. Why - is it easy to remove without damage to the bag if you place it wrong? Any other tape suggestions?

Thanks.

I wondered this about the tape for a while also . My argument was all tapes seem to work fine , why micropore . I think it just works the best and sticks the best , duct tape sticks jut as well but maybe the added bulk isn't ideal for attaining a good air seal .
You def don't want a tape that's easy to remove that's exactly what you don't want , could come apart during the process .

Smaller bags hold less gas so more chance for air hunger

 

[exitingtothevoid]

1. What size range for the bag is OK? PPeH says 35x50 cm. Any other suggestions?

2. PPeH and TiredHorse recommends micropore tape. Why - is it easy to remove without damage to the bag if you place it wrong? Any other tape suggestions?

I wouldn't go smaller than the recommendation. My reasoning is that at a minimum you need more gas in the bag than your lung volume. (about 5 liters) Otherwise when you inhale it might pull air in from outside. Then you need safety factor and enough gas to dilute any exhaled co2. I have made a test bag following the PPeH recommendation and inflated it using a bike air pump and it felt like a good size.

I'm not sure if there is any downside to a larger bag other than it will take longer to inflate at the start.

Not sure why micropore tape is recommended. When I made my test bag I used packing tape and it seemed to work fine.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

I wondered this about the tape for a while also . My argument was all tapes seem to work fine , why micropore . I think it just works the best and sticks the best , duct tape sticks jut as well but maybe the added bulk isn't ideal for attaining a good air seal .
You def don't want a tape that's easy to remove that's exactly what you don't want , could come apart during the process .

Smaller bags hold less gas so more chance for air hunger

With duct tape the risk is higher it will tear holes in the exit bag.

 

[kudaphillips]

With duct tape the risk is higher it will tear holes in the exit bag.

How would this happen ? Pph recommended securing the micropore tape with duct tape

 

[Rinmo]

is there any specific name for the plastic bag for exit bag?
the picture in the PPH shows a transparent bag that usually used to store food but have some sort of cord built in. does the exit bag need to have a built in cord like that?

and what about the hose/tube? does it need to be on certain size minimum?

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

is there any specific name for the plastic bag for exit bag?
the picture in the PPH shows a transparent bag that usually used to store food but have some sort of cord built in. does the exit bag need to have a built in cord like that?

and what about the hose/tube? does it need to be on certain size minimum?

It's an oven bag, you can find it on Amzn. Maybe under 'turkey bag'?

How would this happen ? Pph recommended securing the micropore tape with duct tape

I have a subscription to PPeH, so I have the latest edition. I can not find that advise. In fact, not many words are used to describe the making of an exit bag. There's a video (or 2)! though.

How could the duct tape damage the bag? I guess by pulling the elastic cord the bag wrinkles and maybe like that? The Betty video shows only micropore tape IIRC. She uses an extra piece of tape for the exit of the elastic cord.