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rationaldespair

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Jun 7, 2025
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Hi, I'm new in this forum. I can see that there has been extensive discussion of the potential use of exit bag and inert gas. Has there been any discussion about using one of those 2.2 L disposable nitrogen? I know the ideal volume to use would be 400 L but they're quite hard to obtain where I live without a car. The 2.2 L cylinder contains 240 L of pure nitrogen - would it be viable for the purpose of CTB to use two of these cylinders simultaneously if I control the flow of each cylinder to 8 L per minute? Thanks!
 
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oono

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For Scuba, I'm wondering about the ports. I'm wondering which ports this part should be connected to? Please. 231335 194734 1712872193873 1
 
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mrsmith

Member
Sep 18, 2022
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Are the Chinese EEBD hoods reliable for our needs?
I already have 2 but I'm having doubts reading various posts.
I'm also confused if the ones I have with exhale valve are preferred or ones without?
Has anyone taped the exhale valve shut so that co2 goes out the bottom like an exit bag?
 
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opro111

Member
Jun 19, 2025
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Is there any tutorial about how to connect oxygen tubing to the tank? In the PPH it talks about everything you need materials wise, but doesn't say how to do this as far as I can see. Would be great if there was a tutorial with images on how to put all the components together, or a video like the one somebody recently sent here of how to make the bag.
 
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albaboosh

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Jun 14, 2025
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Hi, I'm new in this forum. I can see that there has been extensive discussion of the potential use of exit bag and inert gas. Has there been any discussion about using one of those 2.2 L disposable nitrogen? I know the ideal volume to use would be 400 L but they're quite hard to obtain where I live without a car. The 2.2 L cylinder contains 240 L of pure nitrogen - would it be viable for the purpose of CTB to use two of these cylinders simultaneously if I control the flow of each cylinder to 8 L per minute? Thanks!
I've been looking at this, and the problem I'm hitting is that they have a max flow rate of 6 l/m when you look at buying regulators for the disposable cylinders. I'm now contemplating a setup with 3 so that each can be set to 5 l/m but I don't like the 'more moving parts' aspect.
 
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Jul 14, 2024
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According to a discussion by TiredHorse and another by Fightingsioux, it is recommended to use a 20 cubic feet nitrogen cylinder. Fightingsioux mentions that 20 cubic feet should be more than sufficient.

I am based in the UK and currently have a 2-litre compressed nitrogen cylinder, which I purchased from Adams Gas following the below guidance which I read from the Peaceful Pill Handbook:

PPH
"In the UK, full 2-litre cylinders containing approximately 350 litres of compressed nitrogen are available for home delivery to UK addresses from Adams Gas."

Based on my calculations, 350 litres is roughly equivalent to 12.36 cubic feet, which is less than the 20 cubic feet recommended by TiredHorse and Fightingsioux.

Do PPH's specifications seem accurate? Were the estimates by TiredHorse and Fightingsioux possibly overly cautious?

Any insights or feedback would be greatly appreciated.
 

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BaharKoChala

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Apr 25, 2025
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I attempted two times and failed. Is a helium tank for balloons enough? And also since you have to press the black nozzle to let the helium out, how exactly do you manage to do that?
I wanna know this too. I have everything else ready but having a very hard time getting Nitrogen. Can get as many tanks of Helium as I want though.

I am using "AiRise Small Portable Helium Tank, Blue, for Birthday/New Year's Eve/Graduation/Baby Shower/Wedding/Halloween" from Canadian Tire and because its says its 100% Helium there HAS TO BE a certain number of tanks after which it works right?
 
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NPJP520

New Member
Jul 10, 2025
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Tried this method 3 times following the instructions to a T, and the getting to unconsciousness stage is far harder than it's made to sound.
Tried this method 3 times following the instructions to a T, and the getting to unconsciousness stage is far harder than it's made to sound.
 
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Sn0wy0wl

Member
Jun 28, 2025
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I'm so confused... I've seen some photos of people who successfully made it with helium for balloons and it looks so easy. I mean, most of them somehow tied their hands together for some reason. And the tank is just average size... I didn't know it could fail. Anyways, I'm in Europe, if you know any manufacturer that is reliable on this side of the globe, you can recommend. Also, I was thinking about getting welding tank of helium or nitrogen. But that is complicated because they are huge and complicated and suspicious to transport. This all was surely discussed, but I'm too tired and depressed to read all 192 pages right now. I'll look into it.
 
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elaineparks

Member
Jul 13, 2025
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If your hair is long (mine goes to my waist), do you need to push it up inside the bag? Does it make a difference? I'm worried that it might affect the results if I spend time pushing all my hair up into the bag after I've pulled it down over my head.
 
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exitingtothevoid

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Aug 2, 2024
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If your hair is long (mine goes to my waist), do you need to push it up inside the bag? Does it make a difference? I'm worried that it might affect the results if I spend time pushing all my hair up into the bag after I've pulled it down over my head.
I plan on putting my hair in a top knot or wearing a swim cap.
 
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k1w1

Specialist
Feb 16, 2022
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According to a discussion by TiredHorse and another by Fightingsioux, it is recommended to use a 20 cubic feet nitrogen cylinder. Fightingsioux mentions that 20 cubic feet should be more than sufficient.

I am based in the UK and currently have a 2-litre compressed nitrogen cylinder, which I purchased from Adams Gas following the below guidance which I read from the Peaceful Pill Handbook:

PPH
"In the UK, full 2-litre cylinders containing approximately 350 litres of compressed nitrogen are available for home delivery to UK addresses from Adams Gas."

Based on my calculations, 350 litres is roughly equivalent to 12.36 cubic feet, which is less than the 20 cubic feet recommended by TiredHorse and Fightingsioux.

Do PPH's specifications seem accurate? Were the estimates by TiredHorse and Fightingsioux possibly overly cautious?

Any insights or feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Please dont risk burning down sources. Adam and his wife Eve might get more than apples ok?
Is there any tutorial about how to connect oxygen tubing to the tank? In the PPH it talks about everything you need materials wise, but doesn't say how to do this as far as I can see. Would be great if there was a tutorial with images on how to put all the components together, or a video like the one somebody recently sent here of how to make the bag.
You need to use a regulator, all this info is in the PPH. The hose attaches to the regulator.
I'm so confused... I've seen some photos of people who successfully made it with helium for balloons and it looks so easy. I mean, most of them somehow tied their hands together for some reason. And the tank is just average size... I didn't know it could fail. Anyways, I'm in Europe, if you know any manufacturer that is reliable on this side of the globe, you can recommend. Also, I was thinking about getting welding tank of helium or nitrogen. But that is complicated because they are huge and complicated and suspicious to transport. This all was surely discussed, but I'm too tired and depressed to read all 192 pages right now. I'll look into it.
You need a large tank so a regulator can be attached to it. Local suppliers will be on the web. There is nothing suspicious about purchasing and bringing home your tank for home welding.
According to a discussion by TiredHorse and another by Fightingsioux, it is recommended to use a 20 cubic feet nitrogen cylinder. Fightingsioux mentions that 20 cubic feet should be more than sufficient.

I am based in the UK and currently have a 2-litre compressed nitrogen cylinder, which I purchased from Adams Gas following the below guidance which I read from the Peaceful Pill Handbook:

PPH
"In the UK, full 2-litre cylinders containing approximately 350 litres of compressed nitrogen are available for home delivery to UK addresses from Adams Gas."

Based on my calculations, 350 litres is roughly equivalent to 12.36 cubic feet, which is less than the 20 cubic feet recommended by TiredHorse and Fightingsioux.

Do PPH's specifications seem accurate? Were the estimates by TiredHorse and Fightingsioux possibly overly cautious?

Any insights or feedback would be greatly appreciated.
TiredHorse and Fightingsioux both knew their business. As for being prudent with quantity : you can have too little gas but never too much. It is wise to have spare for tests, fails etc.
 
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PleasePleaseHelium

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Jul 21, 2025
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TL;DR: Failed ctb attempt, party tanks, no regulator, reclining on bed, oven bag, plastic tubes.

Hello to all fellow sufferers. A few days ago I tried to ctb with the helium method, but without using the usual gas flow regulator.
As you can tell, this has been a failure.

Here's what happened:

1. Prepared two tanks, ~13.5 liters, ~320 liters of compressed helium each, so ~640 liters total. Seller's claimed that the purity is 99.9+, but I did not test it myself. Tubes attached right to the outlets of tanks.

One of the tank had been bought recently, and the other around 2 years ago. I had let the gas on the older tank run (for testing purposes) for some while, but not long; after that, I had closed it properly (or at least I think so) and stored it in a proper place until now.

2. Prepared a bag: 40x45cm (15.75"x17.72"), elastic tied around the neck part, plastic tubes from helium tanks taped to the inside of the bag. Found no leaks when testing. I did the elastic according to instruction ("snug but not tight"), but I can't be sure I did it correctly.

3. Positioned myself on bed, reclining at around 60° on pillows (half-lying, half-sitting, like in a car seat pulled back). Made sure to not get the tubes stuck between arms and body, and practiced pulling the bag from head to neck.

4. Wore the bag like a swimming cap, scrunched all the air out, and turned the valves on tanks to enable helium flow.

5. When the bag was almost full (~30-60 seconds later), I started hyperventilating, and after a while I finally exhaled deeply, pulled the bag over my head, checked the elastic tightness (not breathing in yet), and only then started taking deep breaths.

6. Nothing was happening even after 20-40 seconds. I noticed that the flow was too weak (I easily could "inhale" a wall of the bag, which, to my understanding, shouldn't happen). Because of that, I turned off the gas in panic, ripped the bag off my head, and proceeded to the next attempt.

7. This time I tried with a higher gas flow rate. When I did all the preparations and pulled the bag to my neck, I noticed that I did not "inhale" the oven bag wall this time. I thought that everything will be over soon, and just laid back, breathing deeply. But there were no effect: even after ~40+ seconds I haven't passed out. I started getting curious about leaks through holes, helium purity and proper adjusting of elastic band on my neck, but there was nothing to worry about as I've checked all these things beforehand (of course, assuming that I comprehended everything correctly, and the helium vendor did not lie about purity of gas).

8. But from this point on I cannot recollect what had happened. I lost my memory of what happened next: I think I just turned off the valves after ~2mins of being stuck in pure helium environment, but this is impossible.

9. I woke up 40-60 minutes later, my head inside the bag (if I even remember correctly... these memories are very hazy). Tried to turn off the valves, but was surprised because the valve on a newer tank wasn't even opened, and the older tank was exhausted completely. I felt very sleepy/dizzy, my lower legs/calves hurt, and even standing upright was a very hard task.

So, my version of what had happened is: I did pass out on the second try, but in a half-unconscious manner I turned only the one valve off (on the newer tank), while the second tank was continuing to transmit gas at desired speed. This tank exhausted too fast to kill me, possibly because of the small leaks (the tank is 2 years old), or too much experimenting.

I can't feel any brain damage in terms of vision blur, memory shortage, or something like that. Also I felt no SI at all, not physiologically (CO2 buildup), not psychologically (so I was brave that day).

On a positive note: I did pass out successfully, so the helium is pure!
But still there are concerns: I don't know if the helium is pure in the newer tank because it was turned off when I woke up, so it must've been the older tank which knocked me unconscious. But I want to try again, and so I would have to buy a new tank, and so I can't know if the helium would be pure in this. And obviously regulator would help immensely.

Please comment on this. What did I do wrong? If I had to guess, then I'd say that this half-conscious state ruined everything. What do you think? I very much want to know the opinion of more knowledgeable forum members. If you are so kind to answer, please start with assuming that I can't have access to regulator, and then go from there. Thank you.

Additional notes: I did read the PPH, watch the Dignified dying video (with the two party tanks and no regulator), looked at the herman photos (with 15 different helium ctbs), and skimmed through Megathread (covered around 60-70%). Is this knowledge enough? Do I have to research further? If so, what would you recommend?

Also, are today's party helium tanks the same as they were, say, 15 years ago? Same pressure, volume, flow speed? So, could a tutorial written 15 years ago in Switzerland/US be applicable to today's situation in Eastern EU?

Please forgive me for this barrage of questions, I really want to know what was wrong.

P.S.: included pics of my setup, hope this is enough. The photographed tank is the newer one, but the older is entirely identical (in the appearance at least, can't be sure about gas purity though)
 

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elaineparks

elaineparks

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Jul 13, 2025
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I've been thinking about making the exit bag with 2 cooking bags doubled. I'm afraid of the bag rupturing .
 
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SomewhereAlongThe

Arcanist
May 17, 2024
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Does anyone know the exit bag protocol, I read the protocol on this forum, but some people mention hyperventilating?

Tiredhorse: As the bag is inflating, take deep breaths, exhaling fully, to purge as much CO2 as possible from the depths of your lungs.

Is there another way that's better?
 
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Skal

Member
Sep 22, 2022
20
Is there footage of someone going through this method to the end?
Before I try it myself I want to know what will happen
 
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fireplace19

What’s the use of burning red hot?
Feb 7, 2021
35
Prepared my kit today, hope everything is good.
 
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hellocana

Member
Aug 10, 2025
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Hi, can anyone help make sure some parts of my setup is ok

I'm ordering this regulator with a 5/8"- 18 F RH Outlet Gender Female
These hose barb and nuts CGA-032 (5/8" - 18) Gender Male B
This oxygen tube

Questions:
Does the end piece of the oxygen tube fit in the nipple?
According to the barb and nut it was maximum pressure is 200 PSI, doesn't it go higher when you turn the tank on?
How does the nipple just rest in the bolt, wouldn't it blow out if you turn it on?




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fireplace19

What’s the use of burning red hot?
Feb 7, 2021
35
Hi, can anyone help make sure some parts of my setup is ok

I'm ordering this regulator with a 5/8"- 18 F RH Outlet Gender Female
These hose barb and nuts CGA-032 (5/8" - 18) Gender Male B
This oxygen tube

Questions:
Does the end piece of the oxygen tube fit in the nipple?
According to the barb and nut it was maximum pressure is 200 PSI, doesn't it go higher when you turn the tank on?
How does the nipple just rest in the bolt, wouldn't it blow out if you turn it on?




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I believe the PPH said something like 6mm standard pvc tubing works, it's quite cheap online and fits onto the nipple easily. So you don't need fancy oxygen tubing. If it doesn't you can soak it a bit with boiling water to squeeze it on.

The tubing goes on the serrated end of the thingy and the bolt screws it all to the regulator. It looks similar to mine and in testing it doesn't blow off at all if everything fits well.
 
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mrsmith

Member
Sep 18, 2022
28
Well,I pup
Okay, chiming in.

I bought two EEBD (Emergency Escape Breathing Devices) hoods, but I discovered they didn't have an exhalation valve. I initially assumed, partly due to everything I read on this forum, that a hood with an exhalation valve is a better solution.
However, I have since changed my mind.
To begin with, I have personal experience with forced air masks where the overpressure ensures that no air from outside can flow inwards.
I also read in the PPH handbook that various masks are recommended, all without an exhalation valve.

All these bags, the exit bag, eebd masks, and several commercially available masks like 3M versaflow,etc. are also not equipped with an exhalation valve.
They are all suitable for use, as long as there is some space at the bottom of the neck seal, and since CO2 is heavier than nitrogen, it will naturally sink downwards. I would be keen to hear what others think about this.
PPH:



I know AI gives some weird answers sometimes, but when I fed this query to Gemini I got the following response :



I would like to hear your thoughts
I purposely got 2 with exhalation valves because I read it's what ppl here preferred.I tend to agree after looking at the details involved,but I understand your POV .–
 
sevennn

sevennn

Wizard
Sep 11, 2024
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i feel really stupid for asking. but is a pressure regulator and flowmeter one thing or two separate things that need to be purchased?
 
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mrsmith

Member
Sep 18, 2022
28
I noticed the pph version/instructions exit b is a little more complicated than the 'doing it with chi' version,has anyone picked the chi version because it's simpler?.
Any comparison of effectiveness of the 2?.
I tried searching this for a month and can't find anything touching on the above.
FYI,I'm doing EEBD but pondering making an exit b as a backup.
Im also wondering if anyone out there –
That has bought and stored all the correct parts needed for EEBD/inert gs,but hasn't assembled them together yet and will only do so when it's 'time'.
I'm curious how long the assembly will take.
I think its safer to store them without setting them all up in case of anyone being nosey etc
 
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Suizident

Member
Aug 7, 2025
33
Some Things I can see are:


-air tight seal on the bottom of the bag- your bag should fit 2 fingers underneath to measure tightness, it should have elastic at bottom. Sounds like you should watch doing it with betty for advice, it's in resources or on YouTube, I don't think you have the exit bag made correctly, hugs

-Why the vacuum? You don't need that

You mean the elastic band should only be tightened enough so that you can comfortably slide two fingers "stacked on top of each other" under the elastic band?

I wonder if that could have been the reason. Even if the exit bag is too tight, the pressure in the exit bag would simply have to increase until the helium-CO2 mixture eventually finds its way out of the bag through the elastic band.

And even if CO2 remains in the exit bag, wouldn't that result in shortness of breath and headaches rather than it not working at all?
 
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NellyGoes

Sure.
Aug 16, 2025
16
I've been thinking about making the exit bag with 2 cooking bags doubled. I'm afraid of the bag rupturing .
I'm thinking the same. I got oven bags (as recommend in my book) but they are sooo thin, I worry (the book was from the UK, I'm in the US so there may be differences in material or quality for "oven bags"). I also got a second set of bags, thicker storage bags. But I don't know — can the bags be too thick?!

If anyone responds to you RE using 2 oven bags, can you let me know please? I'm planning on ctb very soon but I'm really trying to do it right and learning as much as possible, so if you could please lmk? 🙏
i feel really stupid for asking. but is a pressure regulator and flowmeter one thing or two separate things that need to be purchased?
First off, I'm NOT an expert. But been reading and learning as much as possible about this method for the past few months.

From my understanding, no they are two different things. BUT there are models (like I got one) that are both combined: "flowmeter regulator"

So you could get just a regulator (like I stupidly purchased at first along with the cylinder). And you could get a separate flowmeter (and then attach them securely with adapters etc). Or you could get a combined model. They are pretty expensive though ($200-400+), way more than the gas cylinder itself.

Oh final note, from my understanding anyone who plans on releasing highly compressed gas from a cylinder must have a regulator. You can't open the valve without one, or the gas would just shoot out and across the room (like at extreme pressure).
 
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GustavCF97

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Aug 24, 2025
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Hello all, I need help with assembly of my exit setup. I don't have confidence in my ability to assemble the hood well enough to garuntee outcome. I bought two medium sized medical non-re breather masks for the setup but don't know what regulator to get for the Nitrogen tank. I liked some of hellocana's setup in the above post that I think I could acquire but I know very little about tank specifications and form factors. Would this regulator work on a standard 3 ft 40cuft Nitrogen tank?:

 

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