Method Wheelie Bin Inert Gas Chamber

[DeIetedUser4739]

I was looking at inert gas to die but it looked like too much work with the snorkel mask and stuff. The sarco pods seemed like a better idea but ridiculous having to 3D print all the parts required when all you need is a small airtight space.

A 240L Bin would be perfect for this. The only other thing you'd need is a cylinder of Argon or Nitrogen. I'm not sure if it's important to remove the air from inside the bin once you're in it with the lid closed but you could light some paper on fire to burn off any Oxygen remaining to speed things up.

The only problem I can see is the lid lifting from the pressure of the gas building (if any). It would be easy to attach something to the lid to hold it down with your body weight to stop it. Alternatively turn the bin upside down so the lids on the ground.

There's enough room I believe for the average person plus the gas cylinder.

 

[Alexei_Kirillov]

We're really getting desperate aren't we

 

[DeIetedUser4739]

We're really getting desperate aren't we

Yeah, it's not the best look being found dead like trash, but I couldn't find anything else that was big enough.
I believe I've looked at every method and this or OD are the only painless methods (if they work). I used to have an Argon cylinder I bought from a hardware store several years ago.
I was planning on using a plastic mini greenhouse for plants but there was too many gaps and I thought I'd knock it over if I passed out.
I got over that depression but now I can't relax or have fun anymore. It's just negative feelings of impending doom all the fkn time now.

 

[Kapsyl]

Well you'd make it really easy for body removal, hopefully you'd have the dignity to ride the hearse instead of the garbage truck!

On are more serious note, it would be possible but would require a little more effort than just hopping in with a cylinder.

First of all I wouldn't use anything other than nitrogen. Sacro pods takes around 15 min until unconsciousness, so using the closest thing to regular air would be preferred since 15 min is relatively long exposure. Breathing argon for that long would give symptoms like headache, nausea, vomiting. Nitrogen is instead preferred since ordinary air all ready contains 78% nitrogen.

The amount of nitrogen needed is debatable, but quite a lot would be my answer. The suggest bin is 240 liters and the average male displaces 87 liters from a source I found, that leaves us 153 liters of air to replace with nitrogen. 2000 liters of nitrogen would be enough to fill the bin 13 times and keep a flow rate of 30/Lpm for 66 minutes. It takes roughly 15 min to lose unconsciousness and 15 min until ctb, so double the amount for a safety margin Isn't to far fetched. With 30/lpm it would take around 5 min to fill the bin with an occupant. Using more gas or higher LPM isn't really a problem, but a higher lpm is noisier and cut down the time significantly. Use big margins whatever lpm of amount of gas.

The placement of the cylinder would naturally be outside the bin, not only for comfort but to not accidentally disturb the flow of gas or doing anything else that would sabotage the attempt. Putting it outside allows us to secure the cylinder and set the correct settings before entering the bin. Securing the bin is equally important, if the bin would tip over and the occupant ejected from the bin it could be considered an epic fail. Maybe a sturdy beam/post would be a good placement, using ratchet straps to secure both the bin and the cylinder on either side.

The gas would be distributed by a nipple. Preferably at head high since there'd would be the most vacant air for gas to flow uninterrupted. Be sure to use a gasket to make an air tight seal around the nipple, to prevent any nitrogen escaping or air entering.




To purge the existing air inside the bin I would suggest using a one way ball valve mounted on top. This would allow the nitrogen to push out the existing air inside the bin and replace it with nitrogen, It would of course also push out nitrogen and that's why the amount of gas is crucial. This valve will also benefit you with an failsafe. When the gas finally runs out and no outside air is replenished, you'd be suffocated the old fashioned way making this method even more secure. Be sure to use a gasket on this component also!



For the final technical part of the bin is to make the lid somewhat airtight. This may be challenging since the models of bin vary, so you have to be creative. But some sort of silicon/rubber gasket around the lid is required. The gasket used for refrigerators could be used since it also requires a vacuum seal and the seal is deformable. Use a silicon binding agent or similar glue to attach it to the bin.




To achieve a good seal, the lid has to be closed securely from the inside. I would suggest using a 90 degree hook latch. Three of them at least, one in the front and two at either side. You would have to manufacture a different hook since most of them are designed to be locked from the outside and not the inside, but this isn't a huge problem. Since the plastic on the lid isn't particularly thick, a similar sized metal bracket on the other side could be used to sandwich the plastic to strengthen the lid. As with the other components be sure to use a gasket for every hole you'd drill. With all this work we wouldn't like it jeopardized by a faulty seal, even if a small leak isn't crucial since the overpressure would hopefully stop incoming air.





For the final touch I would consider using some form of light inside the bin, I wouldn't want to exit in complete darkness. A simple led light taped to the lid would suffice to illuminate one's final moments.

Quite a project but it's possible!

 

[locked*n*loaded]

How about using a casket? They have sealed lids, and what isn't sealed well enough could be remedied with some type of sealing compound.

And by using a casket, it's like a "one and done" type of deal.

 

[Kapsyl]

How about using a casket? They have sealed lids, and what isn't sealed well enough could be remedied with some type of sealing compound.

And by using a casket, it's like a "one and done" type of deal.

A casket would be absolutely sick! The image of being found dead already in a coffin seemingly at peace is just crazy. It would also prove anyone wrong if they ever utter the words "nobody could see this coming". Well they would see it coming seeing a freaking casket in the living room.

You would obviously have to be living alone and setting it up could prove to be difficult without assistance, but it's possible.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

A casket would be absolutely sick! The image of being found dead already in a coffin seemingly at peace is just crazy. It would also prove anyone wrong if they ever utter the words "nobody could see this coming". Well they would see it coming seeing a freaking casket in the living room.

You would obviously have to be living alone and setting it up could prove to be difficult without assistance, but it's possible.

Yeah, I saw a few cheapo metal ones for around $600 when I was searching for alternative type vessels one could use.

 

[Kapsyl]

Yeah, I saw a few cheapo metal ones for around $600 when I was searching for alternative type vessels one could use.

Somebody suggested using a freezer box to use as a vessel, which is arguably not a bad idea. I have theorized about roof boxes designed to house skies onto cars would work, but making it airtight would be a challenge. Are you considering making a diy sacro pod?

The garbage bin method is without of doubt my favorite method to ctb to ever come up here.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Somebody suggested using a freezer box to use as a vessel, which is arguably not a bad idea. I have theorized about roof boxes designed to house skies onto cars would work, but making it airtight would be a challenge. Are you considering making a diy sacro pod?

The garbage bin method is without of doubt my favorite method to ctb to ever come up here.

I like the freezer box idea. You can find them sometimes on the side of the road. There would still be a little sealing involved.

No, I'm not really considering making any sacropod. The closest I'll be coming to utilizing a "container" will be my tent when I ctb with CO. Inert gas in some way, shape, or form is/was my 3rd choice option, though. Nembutal was my first choice, but needed to give up on that, so settled on CO. I have everything I need.

 

[Kapsyl]

I like the freezer box idea. You can find them sometimes on the side of the road. There would still be a little sealing involved.

No, I'm not really considering making any sacropod. The closest I'll be coming to utilizing a "container" will be my tent when I ctb with CO. Inert gas in some way, shape, or form is/was my 3rd choice option, though. Nembutal was my first choice, but needed to give up on that, so settled on CO. I have everything I need.

Freezer is really the best "out of the box" sacro pod, depending on condition they have a really good airseal. Inert gas is my first choice, not with a diy sacropod unfortunately but with a basic mask.

I do enjoy theorize about building one trough.

 

[karmaisabitch]

I was looking at inert gas to die but it looked like too much work with the snorkel mask and stuff. The sarco pods seemed like a better idea but ridiculous having to 3D print all the parts required when all you need is a small airtight space.

A 240L Bin would be perfect for this. The only other thing you'd need is a cylinder of Argon or Nitrogen. I'm not sure if it's important to remove the air from inside the bin once you're in it with the lid closed but you could light some paper on fire to burn off any Oxygen remaining to speed things up.

The only problem I can see is the lid lifting from the pressure of the gas building (if any). It would be easy to attach something to the lid to hold it down with your body weight to stop it. Alternatively turn the bin upside down so the lids on the ground.

There's enough room I believe for the average person plus the gas cylinder.

Wow! It will very attractive it might be painless tho who gives a fuck right? I'm tired but I don't think I have the energy fir that too.. I just need to take something by mouth and sleep. My brother is going to Mexico for teeth implant I'm drive with him but he can't know and I'm get N from there..

Well you'd make it really easy for body removal, hopefully you'd have the dignity to ride the hearse instead of the garbage truck!

On are more serious note, it would be possible but would require a little more effort than just hopping in with a cylinder.

First of all I wouldn't use anything other than nitrogen. Sacro pods takes around 15 min until unconsciousness, so using the closest thing to regular air would be preferred since 15 min is relatively long exposure. Breathing argon for that long would give symptoms like headache, nausea, vomiting. Nitrogen is instead preferred since ordinary air all ready contains 78% nitrogen.

The amount of nitrogen needed is debatable, but quite a lot would be my answer. The suggest bin is 240 liters and the average male displaces 87 liters from a source I found, that leaves us 153 liters of air to replace with nitrogen. 2000 liters of nitrogen would be enough to fill the bin 13 times and keep a flow rate of 30/Lpm for 66 minutes. It takes roughly 15 min to lose unconsciousness and 15 min until ctb, so double the amount for a safety margin Isn't to far fetched. With 30/lpm it would take around 5 min to fill the bin with an occupant. Using more gas or higher LPM isn't really a problem, but a higher lpm is noisier and cut down the time significantly. Use big margins whatever lpm of amount of gas.

The placement of the cylinder would naturally be outside the bin, not only for comfort but to not accidentally disturb the flow of gas or doing anything else that would sabotage the attempt. Putting it outside allows us to secure the cylinder and set the correct settings before entering the bin. Securing the bin is equally important, if the bin would tip over and the occupant ejected from the bin it could be considered an epic fail. Maybe a sturdy beam/post would be a good placement, using ratchet straps to secure both the bin and the cylinder on either side.

The gas would be distributed by a nipple. Preferably at head high since there'd would be the most vacant air for gas to flow uninterrupted. Be sure to use a gasket to make an air tight seal around the nipple, to prevent any nitrogen escaping or air entering.


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To purge the existing air inside the bin I would suggest using a one way ball valve mounted on top. This would allow the nitrogen to push out the existing air inside the bin and replace it with nitrogen, It would of course also push out nitrogen and that's why the amount of gas is crucial. This valve will also benefit you with an failsafe. When the gas finally runs out and no outside air is replenished, you'd be suffocated the old fashioned way making this method even more secure. Be sure to use a gasket on this component also!

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For the final technical part of the bin is to make the lid somewhat airtight. This may be challenging since the models of bin vary, so you have to be creative. But some sort of silicon/rubber gasket around the lid is required. The gasket used for refrigerators could be used since it also requires a vacuum seal and the seal is deformable. Use a silicon binding agent or similar glue to attach it to the bin.

View attachment 137017


To achieve a good seal, the lid has to be closed securely from the inside. I would suggest using a 90 degree hook latch. Three of them at least, one in the front and two at either side. You would have to manufacture a different hook since most of them are designed to be locked from the outside and not the inside, but this isn't a huge problem. Since the plastic on the lid isn't particularly thick, a similar sized metal bracket on the other side could be used to sandwich the plastic to strengthen the lid. As with the other components be sure to use a gasket for every hole you'd drill. With all this work we wouldn't like it jeopardized by a faulty seal, even if a small leak isn't crucial since the overpressure would hopefully stop incoming air.

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For the final touch I would consider using some form of light inside the bin, I wouldn't want to exit in complete darkness. A simple led light taped to the lid would suffice to illuminate one's final moments.

Quite a project but it's possible!

lol dude!! Are you mechanic?

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

I was looking at inert gas to die but it looked like too much work with the snorkel mask and stuff. The sarco pods seemed like a better idea but ridiculous having to 3D print all the parts required when all you need is a small airtight space.

A 240L Bin would be perfect for this. The only other thing you'd need is a cylinder of Argon or Nitrogen. I'm not sure if it's important to remove the air from inside the bin once you're in it with the lid closed but you could light some paper on fire to burn off any Oxygen remaining to speed things up.

The only problem I can see is the lid lifting from the pressure of the gas building (if any). It would be easy to attach something to the lid to hold it down with your body weight to stop it. Alternatively turn the bin upside down so the lids on the ground.

There's enough room I believe for the average person plus the gas cylinder.

Wish you the best if you choose to do it this way. It would be perfect for me to go like the trash that I am.

 

[Kapsyl]

lol dude!! Are you mechanic?

Truck driver actually but people say I have a wild imagination. I have some experience with diy project and I rather enjoy solving problems like these.

 

[karmaisabitch]

Truck driver actually but people say I have a wild imagination. I have some experience with diy project and I rather enjoy solving problems like these.

I think you're very smart, honestly this can be listed in the resources you never know!

Wish you the best if you choose to do it this way. It would be perfect for me to go like the trash that I am.

I'll do it your way I mean it's obvious it's painless but I just can't do it right I know I'm not smart enough to even understand the SN process that's why I'm looking for something doesn't need preparing at all

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Freezer is really the best "out of the box" sacro pod, depending on condition they have a really good airseal.

I do enjoy theorize about building one trough.

I don't think it would be that hard. Yeah, the door seal is prbly pretty good, but the inner plastic and cold inlet would need some sealing. Other than that......very doable. It would be best if a mechanism could be devised to "lock" the door once inside to prevent panic escape, and some automated mechanism to start the gas.

 

[Kapsyl]

I don't think it would be that hard. Yeah, the door seal is prbly pretty good, but the inner plastic and cold inlet would need some sealing. Other than that......very doable. It would be best if a mechanism could be devised to "lock" the door once inside to prevent panic escape, and some automated mechanism to start the gas.

Didn't think of the cold inlet, thought the inner material was basically watertight. Saw a video of someone filing up a freezer for ice bath.

A self locking sacropod sounds terrifying, I prefer to be able to abort for whatever reasons. But starting the gas and jumping in with a self locking ratchet would accomplish your requirements.

A spring loaded straight ratchet would work pretty good for a lock.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

A self locking sacropod sounds terrifying, I prefer to be able to abort for whatever reasons.

Many a child used to suffocate to death in those old style refrigerators that had the locking handle. I sort of just figured if I was intending on ctb, and then had 2nd thoughts, that's kind of normal and we all know SI can rear it's ugly head at any moment. So, by having a self-locking door, it just seals fate and takes any second guesses out of it. Terrifying? Maybe. But, once that door closed and the latch locked, you'd be pretty assured that your torment was going to end.

 

[Authentic13]

I was looking at inert gas to die but it looked like too much work with the snorkel mask and stuff. The sarco pods seemed like a better idea but ridiculous having to 3D print all the parts required when all you need is a small airtight space.

A 240L Bin would be perfect for this. The only other thing you'd need is a cylinder of Argon or Nitrogen. I'm not sure if it's important to remove the air from inside the bin once you're in it with the lid closed but you could light some paper on fire to burn off any Oxygen remaining to speed things up.

The only problem I can see is the lid lifting from the pressure of the gas building (if any). It would be easy to attach something to the lid to hold it down with your body weight to stop it. Alternatively turn the bin upside down so the lids on the ground.

There's enough room I believe for the average person plus the gas cylinder.

Interesting concept. Doesn't sound as though it allows for Co2 to escape and I wonder if it would be airtight enough.

Well you'd make it really easy for body removal, hopefully you'd have the dignity to ride the hearse instead of the garbage truck!

On are more serious note, it would be possible but would require a little more effort than just hopping in with a cylinder.

First of all I wouldn't use anything other than nitrogen. Sacro pods takes around 15 min until unconsciousness, so using the closest thing to regular air would be preferred since 15 min is relatively long exposure. Breathing argon for that long would give symptoms like headache, nausea, vomiting. Nitrogen is instead preferred since ordinary air all ready contains 78% nitrogen.

The amount of nitrogen needed is debatable, but quite a lot would be my answer. The suggest bin is 240 liters and the average male displaces 87 liters from a source I found, that leaves us 153 liters of air to replace with nitrogen. 2000 liters of nitrogen would be enough to fill the bin 13 times and keep a flow rate of 30/Lpm for 66 minutes. It takes roughly 15 min to lose unconsciousness and 15 min until ctb, so double the amount for a safety margin Isn't to far fetched. With 30/lpm it would take around 5 min to fill the bin with an occupant. Using more gas or higher LPM isn't really a problem, but a higher lpm is noisier and cut down the time significantly. Use big margins whatever lpm of amount of gas.

The placement of the cylinder would naturally be outside the bin, not only for comfort but to not accidentally disturb the flow of gas or doing anything else that would sabotage the attempt. Putting it outside allows us to secure the cylinder and set the correct settings before entering the bin. Securing the bin is equally important, if the bin would tip over and the occupant ejected from the bin it could be considered an epic fail. Maybe a sturdy beam/post would be a good placement, using ratchet straps to secure both the bin and the cylinder on either side.

The gas would be distributed by a nipple. Preferably at head high since there'd would be the most vacant air for gas to flow uninterrupted. Be sure to use a gasket to make an air tight seal around the nipple, to prevent any nitrogen escaping or air entering.


View attachment 137015

To purge the existing air inside the bin I would suggest using a one way ball valve mounted on top. This would allow the nitrogen to push out the existing air inside the bin and replace it with nitrogen, It would of course also push out nitrogen and that's why the amount of gas is crucial. This valve will also benefit you with an failsafe. When the gas finally runs out and no outside air is replenished, you'd be suffocated the old fashioned way making this method even more secure. Be sure to use a gasket on this component also!

View attachment 137005

For the final technical part of the bin is to make the lid somewhat airtight. This may be challenging since the models of bin vary, so you have to be creative. But some sort of silicon/rubber gasket around the lid is required. The gasket used for refrigerators could be used since it also requires a vacuum seal and the seal is deformable. Use a silicon binding agent or similar glue to attach it to the bin.

View attachment 137017


To achieve a good seal, the lid has to be closed securely from the inside. I would suggest using a 90 degree hook latch. Three of them at least, one in the front and two at either side. You would have to manufacture a different hook since most of them are designed to be locked from the outside and not the inside, but this isn't a huge problem. Since the plastic on the lid isn't particularly thick, a similar sized metal bracket on the other side could be used to sandwich the plastic to strengthen the lid. As with the other components be sure to use a gasket for every hole you'd drill. With all this work we wouldn't like it jeopardized by a faulty seal, even if a small leak isn't crucial since the overpressure would hopefully stop incoming air.

View attachment 137007



For the final touch I would consider using some form of light inside the bin, I wouldn't want to exit in complete darkness. A simple led light taped to the lid would suffice to illuminate one's final moments.

Quite a project but it's possible!

The original post suggested the poster didn't want to do a lot of work. This sure sounds like a lit of work! Admirable that you took the time to share your thoughts in such detail though.

 

[Kapsyl]

Interesting concept. Doesn't sound as though it allows for Co2 to escape and I wonder if it would be airtight enough.

The original post suggested the poster didn't want to do a lot of work. This sure sounds like a lit of work! Admirable that you took the time to share your thoughts in such detail though.

Like a lot of things in life, to achieve a desired result you have to put in some work. Since ctb is arguably the last thing you decide upon, securing its success is vital if that's your intention.

But I get it, being depressed and suicidal makes even the easiest task huge hurdles. My setup took 2 months to assemble because I had so low of energy to commit, and that setup is arguably a lot easier to build.

Thank you! Having basically no life can provide unique opportunities to spend your time.

 

[Authentic13]

I agree with your take Kap...on both counts. CTB isn't an easy thing by any means, and doing the work probably indicates a real readiness to go. But yes, every little step, every little detail can feel overwhelming when life energy is so low. This is one reason that I appreciate you and the others who have taken the time and energy to share their experiences, methods, tips, etc. Much gratitude!

 

[Bearer8]

I was looking at inert gas to die but it looked like too much work with the snorkel mask and stuff. The sarco pods seemed like a better idea but ridiculous having to 3D print all the parts required when all you need is a small airtight space.

A 240L Bin would be perfect for this. The only other thing you'd need is a cylinder of Argon or Nitrogen. I'm not sure if it's important to remove the air from inside the bin once you're in it with the lid closed but you could light some paper on fire to burn off any Oxygen remaining to speed things up.

The only problem I can see is the lid lifting from the pressure of the gas building (if any). It would be easy to attach something to the lid to hold it down with your body weight to stop it. Alternatively turn the bin upside down so the lids on the ground.

There's enough room I believe for the average person plus the gas cylinder.

How about creating an inert gas chamber with a 1000 liter water tank like this.