Whats so good about ctb by SN?

[Battabuzz]

like whats up with this method and why do people use it the most? do you like gobble that crap up or what? also it sounds like a nasty substance imo.

 

[FuneralCry]

It does sound unpleasant but there isn't any Nembutal available as an option to ctb with, I think that people often choose SN as it's a reliable poison, and it's easier to overcome the survival instinct than methods like hanging, and also methods like hanging and jumping are more terrifying and risky.

 

[FireWalkWithMe]

I don't think there's anything "so good" about it. For many people they arrive at it by process of elimination.

Nembutal - impossible.

Exit masks - kind of intimidatingly technical for some people that lack confidence in themselves to pull that off.

Drugs - not easy to get hold of in some countries. Also one of the most failed methods.

Others - gory, potentially painful, scary to undertake, insert other fairly obvious reasons here.

So I think it can be seen that it's not that SN is glorious . It is (was?) available, cheap, simplistic, effective and probably relatively low on the pain scale. Pretty easy to see how and why it filled a gap. Doesn't mean it's perfection or the one to choose in an ideal world, it's just a seemingly attractive option in this world.

 

[glitterypearls]

I used to think it's the best method but since I see that couple of people here had it fail for them, I'm not sure anymore. there isn't enough info on why it failed, how long it takes to kill you and how you would feel during it.

but the advantages :

1. the person who will find you won't be traumatized, unlike hanging or guns or train, it would look like you passed out or something like that, you will still look relatively good
2. it's less messy
3. you can change your mind after taking it and save your life unlike other methods where when it's done then it's done
4. the most important part if this method fail there is no long-term health issues or a possibility of you turning into a vegetable

 

[betternever2havbeen]

I think you recover pretty well if you fail and little chance of permanent damage (correct me if I'm wrong on that) and if you get the meds in Stan's guide it's supposed to be relatively peaceful. I came here looking into hanging but since I've heard about SN I'll be using that (if I can get any in the UK-kicking myself I didn't order a few months or even a few weeks ago) so since no N available it's the next best thing I guess.

 

[lmnop]

I think you recover pretty well if you fail and little chance of permanent damage (correct me if I'm wrong on that) and if you get the meds in Stan's guide it's supposed to be relatively peaceful. I came here looking into hanging but since I've heard about SN I'll be using that (if I can get any in the UK-kicking myself I didn't order a few months or even a few weeks ago) so since no N available it's the next best thing I guess.

heyy i'm struggling to find a source too as CCS only ship to USA :(
do you have any other possible links?

 

[NoLightRemains]

It's not perfect and not without its flaws, but for me I trust in myself to get it right unlike the exit bag. I was also a bit lucky in that 3 of my medications I've been prescribed are going to be used in my SN regiment, so I only had to buy the SN + RC benzo. If I cared more about it being totally painless I'd look into inert gas/sourcing fent.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

heyy i'm struggling to find a source too as CCS only ship to USA :(
do you have any other possible links?

No I don't sorry, I should've ordered from IC when I had the chance, I think people are waiting to see if they start up again. I only know about IC and CCS but yes I've heard CCS don't ship to UK It appears to be very restricted in the UK unfortunately.

 

[EmmaD]

like whats up with this method and why do people use it the most? do you like gobble that crap up or what? also it sounds like a nasty substance imo.

If you explore the resources and forums on here including the PPH you'll understand why SN is considered effective and comparatively peaceful.

 

[Dominicka]

the person who will find you won't be traumatized,

Have to strongly disagree. Anyone that finds the dead body of a loved one will be very traumatized, no matter what the body looks like.
That's why I plan to go to a hotel with a separate bedroom where I can close the door and put a sign on it warning to call the authorities and not open the door.

 

[slapppy]

SN ticked these boxes for me:

1. Its peaceful. It makes you go numb/dizzy/sleepy then unconscious in ~20min or less. We know this from the posters on this forum in the past who documented their final moments.
2. The amount of scientific publications discussing deaths by SN and also news coverage of people who used this method are evidence it works. It is even used as euthanasia for pigs, and there are scientific research studies showing how they tried different amounts of SN for the pigs and documented their deaths. There is also plenty of helpful information in the SN megathread.
3. The people who fail this method (threw up and didnt have a backup cup ready, or someone found them and got ER lifesaving care) end up completely fine. There are no stories of people suffering brain damage from a failed SN attempt (whereas Nembutal does have this risk).
4. How simple the method is. Just mix in some water and drink. It is easy to hide, easy to transport.

So its a very simple, reliable (as long as you dont throw up or call for help) method that makes you pass out before dying.

 

[Forever Sleep]

LIke other people have said- it doesn't exactly feel 'good'- it's hardly something to look forward to doing. It just seemed like the lesser of evils (to me.)

I'm UK based- no access to firearms. N is SO difficult to get- and illegal- so are other drugs. I don't want to end up with a criminal record. I don't want an extremely violent end either. I've thought about jumping but I don't think I have the guts. I don't have the height anywhere at home for a full hanging and I don't fancy suffocating- so- partial and drowning seem difficult to achieve and frightening. Slashing wrists seems unreliable. Also considered the gas method but I'm just not sure. I don't fancy storing a large cylinder of gas and my neighbours are super nosey. They'd likely ask what it was for- welding would be the obvious reason- in which case- they would likely ask me to fix stuff for them! Lol. Plus, I don't know how much the gas method puts other people at risk. (Don't know enough about it.)

I think we ALL wish there was some reliable, painless, easy to obtain method but they ALL carry risk by the sounds of it. Unless you can think of something? What is your prefered method?

 

[freelifexit]

Some SN cases are painful, some cases are discomforting, some cases are peaceful. Everybody reacts different.

Here you can find description of painful cases and here peaceful and discomforting cases and symptoms.

Also there are no negative info about consequences from people who failed SN on this forum, except two cases who got problems with kidneys.

But there is info from this Russian article about SN poisoning consequences (first two paragraphs on page 6).

"In severe cases of intoxication due to degenerative changes in erythrocytes and a decrease in their resistance, hemolysis and secondary hemolytic anemia occur (on the 3-5th day after poisoning). In this case, hemoglobinuria, kidney damage (nephropathy with varying degrees of acute renal failure) and liver damage (toxic hepatopathy) can be observed. Severe acute vascular insufficiency (nitrite shock), coma, pulmonary edema may develop. The clinical picture of poisoning is highly variable. In some cases, changes in the respiratory organs come to the fore, in others - in the cardiovascular and central nervous systems, in others - in the blood system."

Also there are no comments about brain damage on this forum from people who failed SN.

There are several articles which say that brain damage is possible.

From this article (Page 2, Discussion, 2nd paragraph): "Nitrite is also a potent vasodilator and can
cause coronary ischemia and stroke as a result of hypotension, tachycardia, and hypoxia."

Also article about survived case with brain damage: "Delayed post-hypoxic leukoencephalopathy (DPHL) is a demyelinating syndrome that occurs days to weeks after the brain has recovered from a coma. It is caused by the period of hypoxia and is characterized by mental disorders, extrapyramidal system symptoms, and motor changes. Common causes include cardiogenic shock, severe anemia, massive blood loss, and poisoning. There are only a few reports of DPHL due to nitrite poisoning in literature.

Most patients usually recover completely. However, DPHL can easily induce long-term neurological deficits. Within a few weeks, patients with mild symptoms gradually begin to recover some functions, such as speaking and walking. After 1–−2 years, most patients return to their baseline level, but following such poisoning, cognitive impairment including short-term memory deficits and fatigue may persist and hamper the patient's independence, reducing their quality of life."

 

[slapppy]

Replying to the post above, the links documenting failed and successful attempts led me to these conclusions:

The main reasons for failed SN attempts are being found (or calling for help) or vomitting without a backup drink. So most failed attempts were not due to the lack of effectiveness of SN as a method. You are responsible for keeping the SN down and not being found early.

Successful attempts describing a painless death often took an antacid beforehand. Raising stomach pH decreases the amount of HCl that can react with SN to form NaCl (table salt), which if produced in excess, will understandably lead to stomach pain. Many failed cases described severe stomach pain while succesful attempts mentioned only feeling dizzy. This makes antacids incredibly important for a peaceful ctb.

The result of HCl reacting with SN (which we dont want, thats why we take the antacid) is less SN gets passed to the small intestine where the process of actually transferring it into bloodstream starts. The stomach only prepares the food for digestion, it does not absorb it into the bloodstream.

I have deep dived into the debate about taking antacids. PPH no longer recommends them but there are numerous successes where people took an antacid and had a peaceful ctb.

Example a forum poster who went by the name faust took 60ml of milk of magnesia and only described being dizzy:

My final day has come...

While I am still around, I would like to thank you for making this place kind and compassionate. I have seen many things there: some were really sad, some were enjoyable and funny. Some died peacefully, some recovered. This is the day I have been waiting for so long. It is kinda strange to...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Stan, the author of the SN guide, recommended antacids, specifically milk of magnesia

SN - A Comprehensive guide including method

I don't know why it should be ruined...ppl with try to ask questions that are not in the main topic...the difference between this and the previous one is the previous don't have so much useful info on the first page so people had to scroll 180 pages to get what they wanted and maybe even after...

sanctioned-suicide.net

PPH is also a flawed source, their recommended doses are complete guesswork if you have followed their updates over the years.

They used to recommend 2 grams of propranolol (changed to 1g, then 800mg, then no longer recommended) with SN which is ridiculous. I take 20mg for anxiety and it already has a profound effect on my heartrate and calmness.

So we should not listen to PPH stance on antacids. Instead, if you read through all the successful attempts, many used an antacid and went peacefully. Failed attempts that did not follow the regimen often describe stomach pain, which antacids have a scientific basis for preventing (inhibits the reaction forming salt in the stomach)

There is an idea floating around that HCl and SN forms nitrous oxide that makes you pass out faster. Well there are so many cases where people took an antacid and described being numb and dizzy before passing out. I trust these people's experiences (there are many of them documented) along with Stan more than that idea.

 

[NoLightRemains]

Replying to the post above, the links documenting failed and successful attempts led me to these conclusions:

The main reasons for failed SN attempts are being found (or calling for help) or vomitting without a backup drink. So most failed attempts were not due to the lack of effectiveness of SN as a method. You are responsible for keeping the SN down and not being found early.

Successful attempts describing a painless death often took an antacid beforehand. Raising stomach pH decreases the amount of HCl that can react with SN to form NaCl (table salt), which if produced in excess, will understandably lead to stomach pain. Many failed cases described severe stomach pain while succesful attempts mentioned only feeling dizzy. This makes antacids incredibly important for a peaceful ctb.

The result of HCl reacting with SN (which we dont want, thats why we take the antacid) is less SN gets passed to the small intestine where the process of actually transferring it into bloodstream starts. The stomach only prepares the food for digestion, it does not absorb it into the bloodstream.

I have deep dived into the debate about taking antacids. PPH no longer recommends them but there are numerous successes where people took an antacid and had a peaceful ctb.

Example a forum poster who went by the name faust took 60ml of milk of magnesia and only described being dizzy:

My final day has come...

While I am still around, I would like to thank you for making this place kind and compassionate. I have seen many things there: some were really sad, some were enjoyable and funny. Some died peacefully, some recovered. This is the day I have been waiting for so long. It is kinda strange to...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Stan, the author of the SN guide, recommended antacids, specifically milk of magnesia

SN - A Comprehensive guide including method

I don't know why it should be ruined...ppl with try to ask questions that are not in the main topic...the difference between this and the previous one is the previous don't have so much useful info on the first page so people had to scroll 180 pages to get what they wanted and maybe even after...

sanctioned-suicide.net

PPH is also a flawed source, their recommended doses are complete guesswork if you have followed their updates over the years.

They used to recommend 2grams of propranolol (changed to 1g, then 800mg, then no longer recommended) with SN which is ridiculous. I take 20mg for anxiety and it already has a profound effect on my heartrate and calmness.

So we should not listen to PPH stance on antacids. Instead, if you read through all the successful attempts, many used an antacids and went peacefully. Failed attempts that did not follow the regimen often describe stomach pain, which antacids have a scientific basis for preventing (inhibits the reaction forming salt in the stomach)

There is an idea floating around that HCl and SN forms nitrous oxide that makes you pass out faster. Well there are so many cases where people took an antacid and described being numb and dizzy before passing out. I trust these people's experiences (there are many of them documented) along with Stan more than that idea.

I'm in a similar school of thought on the antacids. I want to maximize the absorption of the nitrite (the thing that needs to oxidize my hemoglobin to CTB) and I already have a large dose of benzos for sedation, so I'm not particularly concerned about the sedating effects of nitrous oxide on passing out.

 

[Lavander 230]

I used to think it's the best method but since I see that couple of people here had it fail for them, I'm not sure anymore. there isn't enough info on why it failed, how long it takes to kill you and how you would feel during it.

but the advantages :

1. the person who will find you won't be traumatized, unlike hanging or guns or train, it would look like you passed out or something like that, you will still look relatively good
2. it's less messy
3. you can change your mind after taking it and save your life unlike other methods where when it's done then it's done
4. the most important part if this method fail there is no long-term health issues or a possibility of you turning into a vegetable

People who claim they failed from SN could be anti-suicide people in this forum in disguise, They may larp pretending to be suicidal and give fake "experience" about themselves just to stop people from killing themselves. It's cruel, I know, but for them they feel like they are the heroes.

 

[glitterypearls]

People who claim they failed from SN could be anti-suicide people in this forum in disguise, They may larp pretending to be suicidal and give fake "experience" about themselves just to stop people from killing themselves. It's cruel, I know, but for them they feel like they are the heroes.

what about this one? It seem like she did the right thing but still failed. I feel like she wouldn't be anti-suicide just from the way she posted before
edit : I looked at the post again and she tried to CTB for the 2nd time and It's apparently successful!

 

[Deleted member 31858]

Replying to the post above, the links documenting failed and successful attempts led me to these conclusions:

The main reasons for failed SN attempts are being found (or calling for help) or vomitting without a backup drink. So most failed attempts were not due to the lack of effectiveness of SN as a method. You are responsible for keeping the SN down and not being found early.

Successful attempts describing a painless death often took an antacid beforehand. Raising stomach pH decreases the amount of HCl that can react with SN to form NaCl (table salt), which if produced in excess, will understandably lead to stomach pain. Many failed cases described severe stomach pain while succesful attempts mentioned only feeling dizzy. This makes antacids incredibly important for a peaceful ctb.

The result of HCl reacting with SN (which we dont want, thats why we take the antacid) is less SN gets passed to the small intestine where the process of actually transferring it into bloodstream starts. The stomach only prepares the food for digestion, it does not absorb it into the bloodstream.

I have deep dived into the debate about taking antacids. PPH no longer recommends them but there are numerous successes where people took an antacid and had a peaceful ctb.

Example a forum poster who went by the name faust took 60ml of milk of magnesia and only described being dizzy:

My final day has come...

While I am still around, I would like to thank you for making this place kind and compassionate. I have seen many things there: some were really sad, some were enjoyable and funny. Some died peacefully, some recovered. This is the day I have been waiting for so long. It is kinda strange to...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Stan, the author of the SN guide, recommended antacids, specifically milk of magnesia

SN - A Comprehensive guide including method

I don't know why it should be ruined...ppl with try to ask questions that are not in the main topic...the difference between this and the previous one is the previous don't have so much useful info on the first page so people had to scroll 180 pages to get what they wanted and maybe even after...

sanctioned-suicide.net

PPH is also a flawed source, their recommended doses are complete guesswork if you have followed their updates over the years.

They used to recommend 2 grams of propranolol (changed to 1g, then 800mg, then no longer recommended) with SN which is ridiculous. I take 20mg for anxiety and it already has a profound effect on my heartrate and calmness.

So we should not listen to PPH stance on antacids. Instead, if you read through all the successful attempts, many used an antacid and went peacefully. Failed attempts that did not follow the regimen often describe stomach pain, which antacids have a scientific basis for preventing (inhibits the reaction forming salt in the stomach)

There is an idea floating around that HCl and SN forms nitrous oxide that makes you pass out faster. Well there are so many cases where people took an antacid and described being numb and dizzy before passing out. I trust these people's experiences (there are many of them documented) along with Stan more than that idea.

I love your research. Thank you ♡

 

[Lavander 230]

what about this one? It seem like she did the right thing but still failed. I feel like she wouldn't be anti-suicide just from the way she posted before
edit : I looked at the post again and she tried to CTB for the 2nd time and It's apparently successful!

I was just stating my opinion, but yeah obviously some cases will be unsuccessful, after all it's a food supplement, not a poison.

 

[unnormal9]

There is not a more peaceful method than this as far as I've researched; because N is not available.

 

[howl pendragon]

what about this one? It seem like she did the right thing but still failed. I feel like she wouldn't be anti-suicide just from the way she posted before
edit : I looked at the post again and she tried to CTB for the 2nd time and It's apparently successful!

I know that its been a while, but;
In the mentioned post, OP mentioned 3 important things:

1 - They mentioned maybe not following the protocol correctly here;
2 - They mentioned pancreatic problems here and here, what was somewhat complemented by another member here;
3 - Also here is mentioned something about sodium bicarbonate, a substance OP mentioned somewhat of a regular use; maybe some interference?

But ultimately the 2nd time seemed to be successfull, as you stated.

EDIT: Also, take a look in this.

 

[Rumi]

I think it is a good method, but with the authorities cracking down on sellers something else will have to replace it, ideally something whose sale to non-businesses can't be criminalised.

SN's fatal flaw is that, in the eyes of the authorities, it has no legitimate use for the vast majority of people. That means that the general public won't object to criminalisation of the sale of SN to businesses without a license. Meaning that it could become literally impossible to purchase in the future.

The ideal method would be something that in addition to being peaceful, reliable and cheap, had a widespread legitimate use among the general public. The closest thing I can think of is a rope for partial hanging, but for many people who attempt it is an unreliable method that requires a degree of luck in constricting the carotid arteries.

It is frustrating that despite all the methods included in the Resources thread, only SN has proved to be a successful method, at least based off of Goodbye threads; the overwhelming majority report using SN as a method, so when it becomes impossible to purchase, what method are people going to switch to?

BTW has anyone ever made up a spreadsheet for successful goodbye threads by method? I'd be willing to bet that its over 80% SN.

 

[howl pendragon]

SN's fatal flaw is that, in the eyes of the authorities, it has no legitimate use for the vast majority of people. That means that the general public won't object to criminalisation of the sale of SN to businesses without a license. Meaning that it could become literally impossible to purchase in the future.

Well, if you prepare your story, maybe can go with doing your own curing salt, or even this experiment?

BTW has anyone ever made up a spreadsheet for successful goodbye threads by method? I'd be willing to bet that its over 80% SN.

There is this one, but its kinda old. https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/list-of-successful-sn-ctbs-and-failures.115970/
Also this https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...-sn-success-failure.22018/page-7#post-1608266

 

[Rumi]

Well, if you prepare your story, maybe can go with doing your own curing salt, or even this experiment?

That might help you hold on to your SN if you already have it, but I still can't see the authorities permitting the unrestricted sale of a popular CTB method because it can be used in science experiments.

There is this one, but its kinda old. https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/list-of-successful-sn-ctbs-and-failures.115970/
Also this https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/members-attempting-with-sn-success-failure.22018/page-7#post-1608

Interesting. I would love to see a list of confirmed CTBs using methods other than SN. I wonder what the ratio is.

 

[howl pendragon]

That might help you hold on to your SN if you already have it, but I still can't see the authorities permitting the unrestricted sale of a popular CTB method because it can be used in science experiments.

That I agree. Sadly.

Interesting. I would love to see a list of confirmed CTBs using methods other than SN. I wonder what the ratio is.

Its kinda hard to have an accurate list of anything, since if it works, no one can confirm for you. And to work, we need to keep quiet to not risk being "saved". We end up hearing more about failures, like everything. Its like complaints, If you go to a restaurant and hate it, its more probable that you talk against it to people. If you liked it, its more probable that you do not mention much. Also its not like we can message from the afterlife LMAO

If it helps, someone that ended up CTBing with SN once said something like: "If you want a 100% of success, it is not your method. But if you can deal with 70%, and follow procedure correctly, you just prepare yourself for a 2nd trial if you happen to fail. I never heard of a 2nd that did not work out."