Resource SN megathread

[trynacbt]

Anyone know if there's a chance I might fall out of bed if I lie in bed after ingesting SN? i.e., convulsing to the point of movement. This might be overthinking it but I'm worried about being heard/interrupted after trying it at home, in the middle of the night, while others are around.

 

[Fallen leaf]

Hey, do you know the ml volume of your tablespoon by any chance?

Looks like 15ml

 

[tom90]

In my country cimetidine is not available anymore.But I can buy ranitidine pills (150 mg) or hydrotalcite belonging to a group of medicines called antacids (500mg).
I'm confused; Which are better?

 

[Wyntergirl]

What would a good regiment look like for this? How often should we take primperan beforehand? Every 8 hours?

 

[Itsalmosttime]

Just wondering if anyone can help me out.

I have just been to the doctors and couldn't get meto, tagamet or benzos.

Zantac is now off the shelves.

I did however get a script for Pantoprazole which is a PPI. But I'm not sure if it has any use in this application.

Am I SOL? This is difficult in Australia.

 

[Dishonorable]

my sn comes in today.. now I just have to wait for the tagamet (seriously why did I not just order stuff available in the eu?) and the primperan, which I finally found!

 

[woxihuanni]

Just wondering if anyone can help me out.

I have just been to the doctors and couldn't get meto, tagamet or benzos.

Zantac is now off the shelves.

I did however get a script for Pantoprazole which is a PPI. But I'm not sure if it has any use in this application.

Am I SOL? This is difficult in Australia.

I got a PPI too but apparently that's worse than nothing because it changes the ph of the stomach so aggressively it will make absorption of anything difficult. Right, @gingerplum?

 

[Stan]

Just wondering if anyone can help me out.

I have just been to the doctors and couldn't get meto, tagamet or benzos.

Zantac is now off the shelves.

I did however get a script for Pantoprazole which is a PPI. But I'm not sure if it has any use in this application.

Am I SOL? This is difficult in Australia.

Realistically it is a nice to have. If you can't get it, don't stress. SN will still work

 

[Emerald]

I'm practising the 48 hour SN regimen. I've been taking one 10mg tablet of meto every 8-14 hours, I'm wondering if it has to be strict 8 hours on the dot or does it not matter? Sometimes I struggle to sleep and wake up which is why I sometimes miss the 8 hour window. Also, is fasting best 8 hours before SN or 24 hours before? I've read about people doing both.

 

[Stan]

I'm practising the 48 hour SN regimen. I've been taking one 10mg tablet of meto every 8-14 hours, I'm wondering if it has to be strict 8 hours on the dot or does it not matter? Sometimes I struggle to sleep and wake up which is why I sometimes miss the 8 hour window. Also, is fasting best 8 hours before SN or 24 hours before? I've read about people doing both.

The stat dose of meto is the most important. Only need to do the 8 hour fast and in my opinion that is a bit overkill

 

[Emerald]

The stat dose of meto is the most important. Only need to do the 8 hour fast and in my opinion that is a bit overkill

The stat does being 10mg of meto every 8 hours or so and 30mg about an hour before SN? Thanks Stan for your help

 

[Stan]

30mg about an hour before SN? Thanks Stan for your help

That's the important one and you are most welcome

 

[GlowingCactus]

I respectfully disagree. The leaflet coming with metoproclamide says that you shouldn't take more than 30 mg in a day, that significantly increases the risk of side effects and vomiting being one of the side effects I wouldn't recommend it. Either you do the 48-hour regimen, that is 10 mg every 8 hours in which case it's not recommended to increase the last dose, OR you do the stat dose which is 30mg an hour before. Not a mix of both.

 

[Lilith81]

Does anyone know what the stat dose of domperidone is? Also can I take tagamet with it?

 

[HellLife2]

Is SN safe to flush down the toilet or sink?

 

[Bjsnode28]

Does anyone know what the stat dose of domperidone is? Also can I take tagamet with it?

Per the wiki
45 min prior to drug ingestion, take 40 mg Domperidone

 

[Heart of Ice]

I said in another thread that SN might not be my method, but as I have plenty of time on my hands and before I go, I figured I might as well plan the SN path well even if I don't go with it when the time comes. As my death approaches I do find the concept of simply falling asleep more and more pleasant. My main issue with SN is the time it takes, and the anxiety that follows.

Two (perhaps stupid) questions:

1. Does anyone happen to know, by any freak miracle, any sleeping medications that are OTC somewhere in Europe? And yes, only OTC, since then one can hope they might get an Ebay listing someday. I have time, so I can wait. I don't have any medical history of problems that have required sleeping aids other than melatonin, so getting them from a doctor might be difficult. I have understood that most sleeping pills are prescription only. I might make a thread about this later.
2. Does anyone here have any idea how hard is SN that has been sitting in my drawer for a few months, airtight, without any anti-caking agent? Can I just break it apart with a spoon or might this be a problem I have to plan for in advance? I haven't opened the bottle. When I shake it around, it sounds like there is a big rock in it. I think it was like that the day it came.

 

[Rdc]

I've been reading a lot about the side effects of metoproclamide and was interested in domperidone as an alternative. I'm in the USA and it looks like domperidone is not an option.

How to Request Domperidone for Expanded Access Use

FDA recognizes that there are some patients with severe gastrointestinal motility disorders that are difficult to manage with available therapy for whom domperidone’s potential benefits may justify its potential risks. Patients 12 years of age and older with certain gastrointestinal (GI) conditions

www.fda.gov

 

[Dubs]

I respectfully disagree. The leaflet coming with metoproclamide says that you shouldn't take more than 30 mg in a day, that significantly increases the risk of side effects and vomiting being one of the side effects I wouldn't recommend it. Either you do the 48-hour regimen, that is 10 mg every 8 hours in which case it's not recommended to increase the last dose, OR you do the stat dose which is 30mg an hour before. Not a mix of both.

Yeah and they also say not to take 25g of Sodium Nitrite as it is bad for your health.

 

[truthseeker]

I've just started researching this method. A concern I have is that I have chronic liver disease, stage III cirrhosis. The process of metabolizing medications in my liver is compromised and slower than a healthy organ already. I need to do more research of course.

 

[heylightiforgot]

If we don't have tagamet, what dose of Zyrtec would be used instead?

 

[trynacbt]

On the topic of the regimen vs. stat dose, how *would* one go about doing both? Taking the potential side effects into account. Anyone know if this has been done before on here?

 

[Persil]

Do you know if I can use acid resistant capsules instead acid reducers? AR are not OTC in my country unfortunately.

 

[Rohit]

This post will be dedicated to compiling all the information we have on the Sodium Nitrite method (SN), including what else is needed and comparing it to other popular methods.

Before starting, I HIGHLY encourage you read most, if not all, of the chapters on the PPH, as this method may not be the most suited for you.

First of all, let's discuss why this method works, and how it kills.

Spoiler: The effects of Sodium Nitrite

Sodium Nitrite, NaNO2, acts as a catalyst in the conversion of the hemoglobin in your blood into methemoglobin (MetHB), a molecule with a much higher affinity with oxygen. This occurs when the ferrous ions in the regular hemoglobin are converted into ferric ones.
Since it's affinity is so high, methemoglobin cannot let the oxygen flow into other tissues that need it, thus depriving them of oxygen even while you're breathing. Death, then, occurs by hypoxia.
Sodium Nitrite poisoning symptoms include nausea, vertigo, vomiting, very heavy headaches and, should you manage to not pass out for too long, seizures.
The PPH claims that, during a monitored suicide with SN, the patient was unconscious at 12 minutes and dead by 35. However, some sources claim that SN poisoning might take as much as 8 hours to kill, probably due to low dosage.
Since methemoglobin creation is a natural process in our bodies, you must be aware that a certain enzyme works to transform it back into hemoglobin again. This is why the recommended dosage has varied on the PPH so much, as the syntetization of these enzymes and their "power" to overcome the formation of MetHB depends purely on your body, thus making a normal, general dose for all who chose this method very hard to determine, unlike N.

As for the physical symptoms your body will experience, not much will really change. Since your blood will mainly be MetHB, it will take on a bluish chocolate brown color, and the tips of your fingers, toes and nose (amongst others) will turn slightly blue from cyanosis.

Now, lets take a look at the "shopping cart".

Spoiler: What is needed for this method?

You'll need the following:

SN: The main compund for this method, Sodium Nitrite is easy enough to find. You're looking for >98% purity Nitrite. This chemical is sold without regulation and can be bought from Amazon, Ebay or any lab supplier in your area. 100 grams cost between 8 and 10€. This chemical is completely legal to own and is used during curation of meats to preserve their color. It's described as "White to yellowish powder/crystals" and it's said to have "slightly salty taste". It is also very soluble in water.
The recommended dose from the PPH is 15 grams, however, this has increased on different issues, from only 5, to 12 and now to 15.
Very important: You're looking for Sodium Nitrite, not Sodium Nitrate; NaNO2, not NaNO3.
Should you not find it just by looking up Sodium Nitrite, look for: NaNO2, NNaO2 or Filmerine. Make sure you're buying what you want and that it's purity is high enough. For more information on it plus some industrial sellers, check Sodium Nitrite on Pubchem.

Antiemetics: Strong enough antiemetics for this method are not OTC, so you'll need to see your way around this. You're looking for Metoclopramide or any of it's commercial names, like Reglan/Primperan. This antiemetic needs to be a Dopamine blocker for it to work.
Antiemetics aren't 100% necessary for this method, however; just like with N, you wont accomplish anything if you end up puking it all out, which is likely. This will also most likely be the bulk of the money you'll use during this method.

Acid Regulators: Another thing recommended in the PPH is raising your stomach's pH to make the SN more effective. This can be accomplished with drugs like Tagamet (The one recommended on the PPH, 800mg, which is to my knowledge OTC) or even bicarbonate, though not as effective.

Spoiler: A few extra comments

I recently got asked a few things regarding SN. First of all, you must know that the effects of this poisoning are completely reversible. It is very unlikely that you will have any permanent damage should you be "saved" during your attempt. Secondly, since this method relies on hypoxia, cardiovascular problems will reduce the amount of MetHB in blood needed to actually kill you. This, however, shouldnt really be a problem since it is sold starting from 100 grams, far more than the amount needed.

Lastly, there have been cases of people recovering from SN poisoning without any "side effects", but even if the ambulance is called soon enough, it is not certain that you will survive.

Should you have any question you can't find the answer of, please comment it and maybe you'll find someone on this community who knows.
Also, should you have any more information you'd like to share, please post it and tag me so I can edit this post and get it included. Thank you.

What is the dosage of the antiemetics ? Can you please tell me the procedure ? When to take the SN (after/ before consuming the antiemetics , acid regulators )?

 

[GreyMonkey]

Just wondering if anyone can help me out.

I have just been to the doctors and couldn't get meto, tagamet or benzos.

Zantac is now off the shelves.

I did however get a script for Pantoprazole which is a PPI. But I'm not sure if it has any use in this application.

Am I SOL? This is difficult in Australia.

I've found a med called anagraine available at chemist warehouse that is pharmacist prescribed. Its for migraines. So you could tell them you have one coming on and have had this med before or something.

Its 5mg meto with 500mg Panadol.

 

[Emerald]

This is probably obvious to 99.9% of people except dumb me but when dissolving SN in water make sure to stir it and make sure it dissolves properly and doesn't stick to the bottom of the constainer its in. I tested it and when I poured the water out all of the SN was at the bottom of my jug and it hadn't dissolved at all.

Honestly

 

[Dubs]

This is probably obvious to 99.9% of people except dumb me but when dissolving SN in water make sure to stir it and make sure it dissolves properly and doesn't stick to the bottom of the constainer its in. I tested it and when I poured the water out all of the SN was at the bottom of my jug and it hadn't dissolved at all.

Honestly

It's like the opposite of a Darwin Award.

 

[Emerald]

It's like the opposite of a Darwin Award.

I have no idea what that means

 

[Dubs]

I have no idea what that means

A Darwin Award is when you do something stupid that removes you from the gene pool (kills you). What you did was something stupid that kept you in the gene pool. Just a friendly joke of course. It's good advice to keep in mind, if your glass isn't transparent it could be hard to tell.

 

[GreyMonkey]

I've found a med called anagraine available at chemist warehouse that is pharmacist prescribed. Its for migraines. So you could tell them you have one coming on and have had this med before or something.

Its 5mg meto with 500mg Panadol.

@Itsalmosttime
I just bought some. No worries at all. I said it's for migraines, for me, and yes I get nausea, I get migraines about once a month and I'm not quite sure what set it off. Then she gave it to me.