Resource SN megathread

[Asta]

@gingerplum - Hi, if you don't mind my asking, do you think that Valium is as effective in lowering SI, as the Propranolol ?

 

[gingerplum]

Sorry, what does this mean? I was planning on taking the tagamet and meto, then 45min later, the SN. Would that work well?

It's a protocol of not eating for 24 hrs and taking tagamet and meto every 8 hrs prior. Or maybe it's 48 hrs; please look up the recommended schedule for prep, I don't want to tell you different than the PPH.

@gingerplum - Hi, if you don't mind my asking, do you think that Valium is as effective in lowering SI, as the Propranolol ?

Great question! Valium (or any benzo) is going to be exponentially more effective than Propanalol. Believe me, I can talk a patient into almost anything after 10 mg of Valium.

It's really not even a close comparison; I would recommend everyone pre-medicate with a benzo if you can get it.

 

[Neville1]

Hi @gingerplum The AE ahead regimen, an option to stat, is 48 hours and, for the acid reducer, cimentidine (Tagamet) or other, there's no recommendation in PPH for ahead regimen, just stat.

 

[gingerplum]

Hi @gingerplum The AE ahead regimen, an option to stat, is 48 hours and, for the acid reducer, cimentidine (Tagamet) or other, there's no recommendation in PPH for ahead regimen, just stat.

Thanks, Neville!

I would think anyone who's doing the antiemetic protocol could benefit from adding a dose or two of Cimetidine (or your H2 blocker of choice) to it, prior to your stat dose; it'll be more effective. If there's any downside to this, please let me know, but I can't think of any .

 

[*KNAZ*]

My SN arrived. I ordered 500 g bottle but don't have a scale to weigh out 15 mg lol. Will just have to use half a teaspoon in some water. Should be more than enough when it's time to CTB.

 

[Itsalmosttime]

My SN arrived. I ordered 500 g bottle but don't have a scale to weigh out 15 mg lol. Will just have to use half a teaspoon in some water. Should be more than enough when it's time to CTB.

1 teaspoon (5ml) is 5.6 grams of salt.

If you are using a US measuring tablespoon (15ml) you will need just under 1 level tablespoon for 15 grams.

Half a tablespoon will be about 8 grams.

 

[*KNAZ*]

1 teaspoon (5ml) is 5.6 grams of salt.

If you are using a US measuring tablespoon (15ml) you will need just under 1 level tablespoon for 15 grams.

Half a tablespoon will be about 8 grams.

Thank you! Better make it a heaping tablespoon just to be safe.

 

[heylightiforgot]

What happens if we can't get hold of an acid reducer? I stupidly wasted 3 out of my 4 Zantac tablets (it's been recalled here now, so unavailable) and didn't attempt. No other H2 blockers are available OTC. Won't have time to order from overseas or anything. Can it still work with just AE's?

 

[Itsalmosttime]

What happens if we can't get hold of an acid reducer? I stupidly wasted 3 out of my 4 Zantac tablets (it's been recalled here now, so unavailable) and didn't attempt. No other H2 blockers are available OTC. Won't have time to order from overseas or anything. Can it still work with just AE's?

Can you try your luck at the GP for tagamet?

You can get Gaviscon at the supermarket but I'm not sure if that's any good.

 

[Kronos]

It's a protocol of not eating for 24 hrs and taking tagamet and meto every 8 hrs prior. Or maybe it's 48 hrs; please look up the recommended schedule for prep, I don't want to tell you different than the PPH.

Great question! Valium (or any benzo) is going to be exponentially more effective than Propanalol. Believe me, I can talk a patient into almost anything after 10 mg of Valium.

It's really not even a close comparison; I would recommend everyone pre-medicate with a benzo if you can get it.

So, it's best not to drink alka zeltzer at all, correct? I have no tagamet and don't want to risk it.

 

[heylightiforgot]

Can you try your luck at the GP for tagamet?

You can get Gaviscon at the supermarket but I'm not sure if that's any good.

Tagamet isnt available here at all. Apparently there is an h2 blocker that is by prescription but not sure I'll be well enough to even see my doctor at this point.

 

[Itsalmosttime]

Tagamet isnt available here at all. Apparently there is an h2 blocker that is by prescription but not sure I'll be well enough to even see my doctor at this point.

You can get tagamet in Australia but you need a script. If you can't get to the drs it doesn't really matter I suppose.

 

[heylightiforgot]

You can get tagamet in Australia but you need a script. If you can't get to the drs it doesn't really matter I suppose.

Will the method fail with no reducer?

 

[Itsalmosttime]

Will the method fail with no reducer?

I'm not qualified to answer.

Some people are successful with no regime while others fail after doing everything correctly. Very hard to say.

 

[Kronos]

It's a protocol of not eating for 24 hrs and taking tagamet and meto every 8 hrs prior. Or maybe it's 48 hrs; please look up the recommended schedule for prep, I don't want to tell you different than the PPH.

Great question! Valium (or any benzo) is going to be exponentially more effective than Propanalol. Believe me, I can talk a patient into almost anything after 10 mg of Valium.

It's really not even a close comparison; I would recommend everyone pre-medicate with a benzo if you can get it.

So, any ranitidine/cimetidine can be used instead of tagamet?

 

[purplemoon]

This post will be dedicated to compiling all the information we have on the Sodium Nitrite method (SN), including what else is needed and comparing it to other popular methods.

Before starting, I HIGHLY encourage you read most, if not all, of the chapters on the PPH, as this method may not be the most suited for you.

First of all, let's discuss why this method works, and how it kills.

Spoiler: The effects of Sodium Nitrite

Sodium Nitrite, NaNO2, acts as a catalyst in the conversion of the hemoglobin in your blood into methemoglobin (MetHB), a molecule with a much higher affinity with oxygen. This occurs when the ferrous ions in the regular hemoglobin are converted into ferric ones.
Since it's affinity is so high, methemoglobin cannot let the oxygen flow into other tissues that need it, thus depriving them of oxygen even while you're breathing. Death, then, occurs by hypoxia.
Sodium Nitrite poisoning symptoms include nausea, vertigo, vomiting, very heavy headaches and, should you manage to not pass out for too long, seizures.
The PPH claims that, during a monitored suicide with SN, the patient was unconscious at 12 minutes and dead by 35. However, some sources claim that SN poisoning might take as much as 8 hours to kill, probably due to low dosage.
Since methemoglobin creation is a natural process in our bodies, you must be aware that a certain enzyme works to transform it back into hemoglobin again. This is why the recommended dosage has varied on the PPH so much, as the syntetization of these enzymes and their "power" to overcome the formation of MetHB depends purely on your body, thus making a normal, general dose for all who chose this method very hard to determine, unlike N.

As for the physical symptoms your body will experience, not much will really change. Since your blood will mainly be MetHB, it will take on a bluish chocolate brown color, and the tips of your fingers, toes and nose (amongst others) will turn slightly blue from cyanosis.

Now, lets take a look at the "shopping cart".

Spoiler: What is needed for this method?

You'll need the following:

SN: The main compund for this method, Sodium Nitrite is easy enough to find. You're looking for >98% purity Nitrite. This chemical is sold without regulation and can be bought from Amazon, Ebay or any lab supplier in your area. 100 grams cost between 8 and 10€. This chemical is completely legal to own and is used during curation of meats to preserve their color. It's described as "White to yellowish powder/crystals" and it's said to have "slightly salty taste". It is also very soluble in water.
The recommended dose from the PPH is 15 grams, however, this has increased on different issues, from only 5, to 12 and now to 15.
Very important: You're looking for Sodium Nitrite, not Sodium Nitrate; NaNO2, not NaNO3.
Should you not find it just by looking up Sodium Nitrite, look for: NaNO2, NNaO2 or Filmerine. Make sure you're buying what you want and that it's purity is high enough. For more information on it plus some industrial sellers, check Sodium Nitrite on Pubchem.

Antiemetics: Strong enough antiemetics for this method are not OTC, so you'll need to see your way around this. You're looking for Metoclopramide or any of it's commercial names, like Reglan/Primperan. This antiemetic needs to be a Dopamine blocker for it to work.
Antiemetics aren't 100% necessary for this method, however; just like with N, you wont accomplish anything if you end up puking it all out, which is likely. This will also most likely be the bulk of the money you'll use during this method.

Acid Regulators: Another thing recommended in the PPH is raising your stomach's pH to make the SN more effective. This can be accomplished with drugs like Tagamet (The one recommended on the PPH, 800mg, which is to my knowledge OTC) or even bicarbonate, though not as effective.

Spoiler: A few extra comments

I recently got asked a few things regarding SN. First of all, you must know that the effects of this poisoning are completely reversible. It is very unlikely that you will have any permanent damage should you be "saved" during your attempt. Secondly, since this method relies on hypoxia, cardiovascular problems will reduce the amount of MetHB in blood needed to actually kill you. This, however, shouldnt really be a problem since it is sold starting from 100 grams, far more than the amount needed.

Lastly, there have been cases of people recovering from SN poisoning without any "side effects", but even if the ambulance is called soon enough, it is not certain that you will survive.

Should you have any question you can't find the answer of, please comment it and maybe you'll find someone on this community who knows.
Also, should you have any more information you'd like to share, please post it and tag me so I can edit this post and get it included. Thank you.

Hi Azure ...
Thank you so much for providing those incredibly valuable links about SN, especially The one letter difference in Nitrite versus nitrate...
I was hoping you could please tell me, us, what could a person tell a doctor for getting the prescription anti-emetic to avoid puking it all back out??

In other words, what diagnosis or symptoms would one need to have in order to qualify to get a prescription for the better anti-emetics please?

(reference below)...
Antiemetics: Strong enough antiemetics for this method are not OTC, so you'll need to see your way around this. You're looking for Metoclopramide or any of it's commercial names, like Reglan/Primperan. This antiemetic needs to be a Dopamine blocker for it to work.
Antiemetics aren't 100% necessary for this method, however; just like with N, you wont accomplish anything if you end up puking it all out, which is likely.

 

[trynacbt]

I was hoping you could please tell me, us, what could a person tell a doctor for getting the prescription anti-emetic to avoid puking it all back out??

In other words, what diagnosis or symptoms would one need to have in order to qualify to get a prescription for the better anti-emetics please?

Meto is OTC in my country luckily, but I've heard from other members that saying you have car sickness/are prone to nausea and that you're going on a trip soon can be helpful.

 

[gingerplum]

So, any ranitidine/cimetidine can be used instead of tagamet?

Yes . Any H2 blocker will work:

• nizatidine
• famotidine
• cimetidine
• ranitidine

PPI's, like omeprazole, are contraindicated for this purpose.

Can you try your luck at the GP for tagamet?

You can get Gaviscon at the supermarket but I'm not sure if that's any good.

It's bad. Anything that increases gastric alkalinity is going to "protect" you from the effects of the SN.

"The blood pressure–lowering effect of orally ingested nitrite was abolished when test persons were pretreated with a proton pump inhibitor (PPI) to raise gastric pH." Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27802417

 

[purplemoon]

OK I feel kind of dumb asking this, but I keep seeing it and I don't understand what it is… METO…??
What does that stand for please?
Thank you

 

[Kronos]

OK I feel kind of dumb asking this, but I keep seeing it and I don't understand what it is… METO…??
What does that stand for please?
Thank you

metoclopramide

Yes . Any H2 blocker will work:

• nizatidine
• famotidine
• cimetidine
• ranitidine

PPI's, like omeprazole, are contraindicated for this purpose.


It's bad. Anything that increases gastric alkalinity is going to "protect" you from the effects of the SN.

"The blood pressure–lowering effect of orally ingested nitrite was abolished when test persons were pretreated with a proton pump inhibitor (PPI) to raise gastric pH." Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27802417

Thank you very much. How much as in milligrams do I need to take of those substances to substitute tagamet? 800mg as well?

 

[ge0rge]

hey hi. does anyone know where I could find SN in Eastern European spaces? Bulgaria, Romania, thereabouts. Amazon doesn't deliver SN here from what I've seen.

 

[onlyinsleep]

Thanks, Neville!

I would think anyone who's doing the antiemetic protocol could benefit from adding a dose or two of Cimetidine (or your H2 blocker of choice) to it, prior to your stat dose; it'll be more effective. If there's any downside to this, please let me know, but I can't think of any .

Please help I have Doperidome and Tagamet. How could I take Tagamet so that I avoid it reducing Doperidome's effectiveness? These are all I have with my SN and I'm not buying anything else. Thanks!

 

[purplemoon]

This post will be dedicated to compiling all the information we have on the Sodium Nitrite method (SN), including what else is needed and comparing it to other popular methods.

Before starting, I HIGHLY encourage you read most, if not all, of the chapters on the PPH, as this method may not be the most suited for you.

First of all, let's discuss why this method works, and how it kills.

Spoiler: The effects of Sodium Nitrite

Sodium Nitrite, NaNO2, acts as a catalyst in the conversion of the hemoglobin in your blood into methemoglobin (MetHB), a molecule with a much higher affinity with oxygen. This occurs when the ferrous ions in the regular hemoglobin are converted into ferric ones.
Since it's affinity is so high, methemoglobin cannot let the oxygen flow into other tissues that need it, thus depriving them of oxygen even while you're breathing. Death, then, occurs by hypoxia.
Sodium Nitrite poisoning symptoms include nausea, vertigo, vomiting, very heavy headaches and, should you manage to not pass out for too long, seizures.
The PPH claims that, during a monitored suicide with SN, the patient was unconscious at 12 minutes and dead by 35. However, some sources claim that SN poisoning might take as much as 8 hours to kill, probably due to low dosage.
Since methemoglobin creation is a natural process in our bodies, you must be aware that a certain enzyme works to transform it back into hemoglobin again. This is why the recommended dosage has varied on the PPH so much, as the syntetization of these enzymes and their "power" to overcome the formation of MetHB depends purely on your body, thus making a normal, general dose for all who chose this method very hard to determine, unlike N.

As for the physical symptoms your body will experience, not much will really change. Since your blood will mainly be MetHB, it will take on a bluish chocolate brown color, and the tips of your fingers, toes and nose (amongst others) will turn slightly blue from cyanosis.

Now, lets take a look at the "shopping cart".

Spoiler: What is needed for this method?

You'll need the following:

SN: The main compund for this method, Sodium Nitrite is easy enough to find. You're looking for >98% purity Nitrite. This chemical is sold without regulation and can be bought from Amazon, Ebay or any lab supplier in your area. 100 grams cost between 8 and 10€. This chemical is completely legal to own and is used during curation of meats to preserve their color. It's described as "White to yellowish powder/crystals" and it's said to have "slightly salty taste". It is also very soluble in water.
The recommended dose from the PPH is 15 grams, however, this has increased on different issues, from only 5, to 12 and now to 15.
Very important: You're looking for Sodium Nitrite, not Sodium Nitrate; NaNO2, not NaNO3.
Should you not find it just by looking up Sodium Nitrite, look for: NaNO2, NNaO2 or Filmerine. Make sure you're buying what you want and that it's purity is high enough. For more information on it plus some industrial sellers, check Sodium Nitrite on Pubchem.

Antiemetics: Strong enough antiemetics for this method are not OTC, so you'll need to see your way around this. You're looking for Metoclopramide or any of it's commercial names, like Reglan/Primperan. This antiemetic needs to be a Dopamine blocker for it to work.
Antiemetics aren't 100% necessary for this method, however; just like with N, you wont accomplish anything if you end up puking it all out, which is likely. This will also most likely be the bulk of the money you'll use during this method.

Acid Regulators: Another thing recommended in the PPH is raising your stomach's pH to make the SN more effective. This can be accomplished with drugs like Tagamet (The one recommended on the PPH, 800mg, which is to my knowledge OTC) or even bicarbonate, though not as effective.

Spoiler: A few extra comments

I recently got asked a few things regarding SN. First of all, you must know that the effects of this poisoning are completely reversible. It is very unlikely that you will have any permanent damage should you be "saved" during your attempt. Secondly, since this method relies on hypoxia, cardiovascular problems will reduce the amount of MetHB in blood needed to actually kill you. This, however, shouldnt really be a problem since it is sold starting from 100 grams, far more than the amount needed.

Lastly, there have been cases of people recovering from SN poisoning without any "side effects", but even if the ambulance is called soon enough, it is not certain that you will survive.

Should you have any question you can't find the answer of, please comment it and maybe you'll find someone on this community who knows.
Also, should you have any more information you'd like to share, please post it and tag me so I can edit this post and get it included. Thank you.

Hi Azure
I'm actually feeling more confident that maybe I should try SN instead of the unpredictable risky OD on alcohol etc.

I looked on both Amazon and eBay, and one seemed to differentiate between food grade SN as compared to industrial SN?

Do you know which one person should get please ?

I really appreciate your help and kindness very much.

 

[gingerplum]

Please help I have Doperidome and Tagamet. How could I take Tagamet so that I avoid it reducing Doperidome's effectiveness? These are all I have with my SN and I'm not buying anything else. Thanks!

Tagamet shouldn't reduce Domperidone's effectiveness; not sure why you're thinking it would, but yes, they should be great together.

Sorry, strike that! See Neville1's link below for the rationale.

 

[Neville1]

@gingerplum has forgotten. @Trainwreck, maybe RIP, shared in this thread that an acid reducer reduces the effectiveness of domperidone.

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-megathread.1156/page-158#post-423863

 

[Dishonorable]

so tempted to just take the SN rn. but it would fail anyway, because I am still waiting for my meto and tagamet. 15 november can't come soon enough

 

[FailedWoman]

There's really a lot of useful information in this thread, but it's pretty hard to gather with 175 pages and counting.
Maybe someone should update the wiki with some more info, especially on the H2 blockers, PPI's and their interactions and such.

I really hope it'll still work without H2 blockers. I really need a way out of this mess.

 

[purplemoon]

Hi Everyone...

Does anyone know of a public store I could just walk into and buy sodium nitrite? I owe Amazon debt so I don't think they will let me buy & eBay doesn't look like they have much selection.
Plus I'd rather not have it connected to my name and mailing address. I'd rather just walk in with cash??

Is there any such public store in the dis-United States please?
Thank you.
Hi Gingerplum...
By the way, your picture is adorable. You're very knowledgeable, and I try to look this up on my own but I can't figure out if these are prescription only that you listed previously?

Or are any equivalents found over the counter please?

• nizatidine
• famotidine
• cimetidine
• ranitidine

I would be so grateful for any advice about that, thank you very much.
Hi Gingerplum...
By the way, your picture is adorable. You're very knowledgeable, and I try to look this up on my own but I can't figure out if these are prescription only that you listed previously?

Or are any equivalents found over the counter please?

• nizatidine
• famotidine
• cimetidine
• ranitidine

I would be so grateful for any advice about that, thank you very much.
Hi Gingerplum...
By the way, your picture is adorable. You're very knowledgeable, and I try to look this up on my own but I can't figure out if these are prescription only that you listed previously?

Or are any equivalents found over the counter please?

• nizatidine
• famotidine
• cimetidine
• ranitidine

I would be so grateful for any advice about that, thank you very much.

 

[Roger]

Hi Gingerplum...
By the way, your picture is adorable

I wonder how many people recognise the photo ?

 

[Lethe]

I received Meto and Ranitidine from ADC today, so I can say that seller is legit (unless they're sugar pills or something...)

And with that, I have everything I need for a swift and painless exit.