NSFW Guy CTBs on Facebook Live (via a shotgun)

[Meditation guide]

And what is that music that sounds just instatly when he self shoots

That was really odd. Maybe he had a set time on his computer and that music was like an alarm clock. He had it planned to do it at an exact time.

 

[Anonymoussn]

And your point is... a soldier knows that a shot to the brain stem will kill the enemy but he doesn't know the same shot will also kill him? Soldiers must be idiots!

A soldier is not usually told to aim for the head. They're told to aim for the centre mass (the chest/torso) as the head is a smaller target and you're more likely to miss. Soldiers don't usually need to kill the enemy, just disable. Special forces might be told to aim for the head. But certainly not the brain stem. How would one aim for the brain stem from 50 metres away!? It is three inches long!

 

[checkouttime]

He also answers the phone and says something to someone. then it rings next to his ear.

The noise of the blood falling into the floor is pretty disturbing. Some people say it's fake. And what is that music that sounds just instatly when he self shoots

I don't believe its real.I noticed a few odd things, like the blood hitting the floor is very loud, but no sign of blood coming from the wound. a few other things i noticed were strange.

I feel bad if it wasn't, but im pretty confident it isn't real.

 

[mapletree]

There was a video a few(?) years ago that came out of a teen girl who was bullied at school and abused at home(?) I believe who hung herself on livestream in her yard from a tree as the sun was going down. No drama, just her quietly sobbing goodbye and that she was sorry and then dropping from the tree and hanging there. The livestream went on for a while, you could see the sun go fully down and the sounds of the neighborhood and her mother obliviously calling her in for dinner as she hung there.

This isn't new. Wonder why it's getting so much attention. I guess because it's gory and people like that. Felt bad for the dog, you could hear it's little feet tapping around the body of its owner.

Personally if I was going to make anything public it would have to be for some kind of greater cause. The amount of crap the family has to deal with after very public suicides must suck (Unless you're doing it to get back at them I guess...still seems weird, like that guy who lost his job and was left destitute set himself on fire in the ME as public protest I can understand, but blowing off your head on livestream just seems ???)

 

[Anonymoussn]

He also answers the phone and says something to someone. then it rings next to his ear.


I don't believe its real.I noticed a few odd things, like the blood hitting the floor is very loud, but no sign of blood coming from the wound. a few other things i noticed were strange.

I feel bad if it wasn't, but im pretty confident it isn't real.

There seem to be plenty of articles on Google about it. From one article I found:

'Mr McNutt was a member of Celebration Church Tupelo, which confirmed his death on September 1 in a Facebook post.

"In the midst of a sudden tragedy that occurred last night, we grieve with the McNutt Family during this time because passing of our brother in Christ, Ronnie McNutt," the church said.'

Pretty confident that it's real, because it's difficult to fake a community reaction like that.

 

[checkouttime]

There seem to be plenty of articles on Google about it. From one article I found:

'Mr McNutt was a member of Celebration Church Tupelo, which confirmed his death on September 1 in a Facebook post.

"In the midst of a sudden tragedy that occurred last night, we grieve with the McNutt Family during this time because passing of our brother in Christ, Ronnie McNutt," the church said.'

Pretty confident that it's real, because it's difficult to fake a community reaction like that.

The problem i have are

lack of blood, on the screen and walls
the loud sound of blood, but no evidence of it coming from the wound, if the arteries in neck were severed i'd expect alot of blood spurting.
the policeman comes in and isn't even fazed by it.
when the police do come in it looks like the have been edited into the picture
another member noticed how quick they got there and one had slippers on!
he definitely pretends to answer a call, then the phone rings next to his head(not so much a biggy)
he shoots a shotgun in the gaff, the dog doesn't runaway or bark at least
may of been others but can't remember

now it might be totally real, but i just noticed them things and made me question it.

 

[Meditation guide]

but blowing off your head on livestream just seems ???

It's attention getting, and at the same time blaming others, so for a narcissist it kills two birds with one stone.

That twelve year old girl was saying as she was preparing to hang herself, crying, "I'm sorry I'm not good enough" over and over while mentioning the name of someone who apparently made her feel that way or said that to her. Notice they both liked the attention.

It's more than simply wanting to ctb. It's the ultimate attention getting stunt.

It wouldn't occur to most people to do that who want to commit suicide. These people are very angry at other people. Maybe they are right to feel that way but still, to want everyone to see them do it adds another aspect to it. It's a narcissistic act. Attention seeking. And blaming.

 

[mapletree]

It's attention getting, and at the same time blaming others, so for a narcissist it kills two birds with one stone.

That twelve year old girl was saying as she was preparing to hang herself, crying, "I'm sorry I'm not good enough" over and over while mentioning the name of someone who apparently made her feel that way or said that to her. Notice they both liked the attention.

It's more than simply wanting to ctb. It's the ultimate attention getting stunt.

It wouldn't occur to most people to do that who want to commit suicide. These people are very angry at other people. Maybe they are right to feel that way but still, to want everyone to see them do it adds another aspect to it. It's a narcissistic act. Attention seeking. And blaming.

Ultimately, it's their death and we can't protect everyone from everything, I'm not really in the mood to judge them especially the 12 year old. I guess just personally if I was going to invite a shitstorm of public attention I would make the reason very clear. I do think there's a component of anger and probably helplessness, like that guy who lost his job and self immolated and kicked off the Arab Spring. Maybe I am jaded because I have seen a lot. I suppose it's not my place to ask people to die quietly and out of sight so I don't have to see it or think about it

 

[Meditation guide]

Ultimately, it's their death and we can't protect everyone from everything, I'm not really in the mood to judge them especially the 12 year old. I guess just personally if I was going to invite a shitstorm of public attention I would make the reason very clear. I do think there's a component of anger and probably helplessness, like that guy who lost his job and self immolated and kicked off the Arab Spring. Maybe I am jaded because I have seen a lot. I suppose it's not my place to ask people to die quietly and out of sight so I don't have to see it or think about it

I'm not judging them. I was trying to explain the reasons, which others might not be aware of. I'm very aware of the mechanisms of narcissism. It's a mental illness. They call it a personality disorder but that should probably be changed to be up there with other serious mental illnesses. Nor am I asking anyone to "die quietly out of sight" if you meant you thought I was doing that.

I was focusing on how a few people want everyone to see them ctb and why they may want that. It is a non biased interest.

 

[mapletree]

I'm not judging them. I was trying to explain the reasons, which others might not be aware of. I'm very aware of the mechanisms of narcissism. It's a mental illness. They call it a personality disorder but that should probably be changed to be up there with other serious mental illnesses. Nor am I asking anyone to "die quietly out of sight" if you meant you thought I was doing that.

I was focusing on how a few people want everyone to see them ctb and why they may want that. It is a non biased interest.

Didn't think you were, I was just thinking out loud

 

[Shades of Grey]

The amount of crap the family has to deal with after very public suicides must suck

I lost someone close to me via a public suicide as a teenager. Fortunately, it happened before the advent of social media, so the impact was lessened considerably.

I was not present, and to my knowledge, no footage of the act itself exists. But there was fairly extensive coverage of the circumstances surrounding his death in some locations, and I have seen images depicting his body before they pulled the plug. They are the last visual I will ever have of him, a specter that hangs over most of my happiest childhood memories, and probably always will.

I can't even begin to describe the feeling of sitting there, many years after the fact, flipping channels at two in the morning only to find myself faced, unexpectedly, with that fucking image staring back at me. Again.

It deeply saddens me to see people talk about emulating McNutt's actions. This shit absolutely destroys people. And not just the ones you might be angry with. There will be collateral damage. There is always collateral damage.

 

[snowman626]

it seems like in this world anytime anyone goes through suffering theres always a bunch of cesspool roaches crawling over to make fun of them or insulting them which gets them off. the comments on that video is a clear example of why i want to leave this hell world. i dont care what these clowns call me after i die, they can make all the memes and jack off to it all they want, i wont have to deal with it once i'm outta here.

 

[CarbonMonoxide]

A soldier is not usually told to aim for the head.

I can't believe you're still trying to prove that a soldier is too stupid to know how to effectively kill themselves with a gun. A simple internet search will show anyone how to do it, let alone an experienced soldier. Is this one of those things where you state random facts to sustain a stale online argument?

 

[ERASED]

Is the video still up? If so can someone pm me the link plz. Thanks.

 

[Invisible 73]

Geez, graphic is understatement. Fucked up to see that tiny pooch walk towards his body.

He had a pup there w.him? what did it do when it walked to the body

 

[SterileMoth]

I just watched it, kinda knew it was gonna be fucked cuz, obviously, but its still jarring to see. Oddly, I find this easier to watch than hangings though ... those make me feel sick.

 

[cazwiz]

He was mentally ill. Obviously. Not all who ctb are but he was.

Also, most mentally ill people are not visibly ill. They can look normal. They can talk, get dressed, drive, use a computer. Things normals do.

I say he was obviously mentally ill because that level of anger and angst leading to what he did shows a severe mental impairment. It didn't sound rational at all. Just my opinion.

He was ranting at a previous boss about what a great manager he would have been. Ranting at family and friends for not caring about him. I would say entitled narcissist raging at a world not recognizing his unique greatness which entitled him to so much more than he got from people.

You watched a short video of a guy and drew up a diagnosis of narcissism? You took an inch and ran a mile with that

 

[Meditation guide]

You watched a short video of a guy and drew up a diagnosis of narcissism?

It would be consistent with that.

Please realize some people have a lot of education on a subject that others might be unfamiliar with. I offered that as a possible explanation for what he did. If you have something better please let us know. Why do you think he chose to display what for most would be a private act like that on social media?

 

[cazwiz]

It would be consistent with that.

Please realize some people have a lot of education on a subject that others might be unfamiliar with.

I'm familiar with narcissism and I know it should take a lot more than a short video with minimal context to draw a diagnosis on someone

 

[Meditation guide]

I'm familiar with narcissism and I know it should take a lot more than a short video with minimal context to draw a diagnosis on someone

Someone had asked:
Whats the thinking behind doing it live?

What is your explanation for why he did it on social media? Since you don't like my idea.

Also notice no thought was given to what would become of his dog, which for me would be unthinkable, to have my pet there while I did that.

So if you have another explanation for him doing it on social media let me know please.

 

[Mm80]

What is your explanation for why he did it on social media? Since you don't like my idea.

Also notice no thought was given to what would become of his dog, which for me would be unthinkable, to have my pet there while I did that.

It would be consistent with that.

Please realize some people have a lot of education on a subject that others might be unfamiliar with. I offered that as a possible explanation for what he did. If you have something better please let us know. Why do you think he chose to display what for most would be a private act like that on social media?

He might have been a narcissist. You could well be right.
I do think that narcissist has become a bit of a buzz word around mental health in society though.
I hear lay people calling each other narcissists all the time atm and im not convinced they know what it means clinically (im not saying thats you btw)
Yes its clear he wanted attention or wouldnt have done the video. But could the explanation be as simple as that he was possibly a decent guy who was genuinly fucked over one too many times and snapped ? And part of him losing it was irrationally wanting to show others what they had done to him?

 

[Meditation guide]

I do think that narcissist has become a bit of a buzz word around mental health in society though.

I've lived a very long life and have encountered numerous narcissists and it's a growing phenomenon. It should be a buzzword because people need to be taught about narcissists as a self protection measure. They are dangerous.

. But could the explanation be as simple as that he was possibly a decent guy who was genuinly fucked over one too many times and snapped ? And part of him losing it was irrationally wanting to show others what they had done to him?

I've been f'd over one too many times myself, in fact several times and wouldn't consider doing that.
It's very extreme, to want attention for that. People get f'd over and snap all the time but don't want an audience as they do that. I don't know for sure of course but I can't find another explanation. And just saying he snapped doesn't really explain it, at least to me. I was just looking for an explanation of why anyone would do it that way.

I don't know what happened in his life but he was saying what a great manager he was to his boss, and was quite adamant that he didn't think his boss acknowledged or recognized that.
And was saying his family didn't pay proper attention to him. He was mad about not getting the kind of recognition and attention he felt he deserved.

 

[Mm80]

I've lived a very long life and have encountered numerous narcissists and it's a growing phenomenon. It should be a buzzword because people need to be taught about narcissists as a self protection measure. They are dangerous.

It sounds like you are projecting your own personal experiences tbh by diagnosing people you dont really know.
It should only be a buzzword if its true Its the same with people calling each other sociopaths, its trendy atm. I Get the feeling that In a year or so people will be talking about a new disorder.
Lay people in society and in the media shouldnt be diagnosing people with personality disorrders in a casual fashion, just because they disagree or have been hurt by their actions.

 

[cyberlordsumit]

The culture pushed samurai to perform seppuku, as well as pushed great numbers of other people to go to war. The primary motivation behind this act was "death before dishonor" - it is better to be dead than shamed and shunned by everyone. I really don't see how it connects with the man in the video. If we look at it rationally, no one was really pressuring him to end his life. He might've felt like someone was, but that's when irrational thinking comes into play, and if a person is that irrational, they are at the very least in a temporarily altered mental state, or mentally ill.

so you mean all suicides are irrational??

This is what narcissists do. They feel people don't understand how they are entitled to a certain level of high treatment from others. It enrages them when they feel they don't get special recognition.

You agree he was enraged by feeling others didn't give him the type of attention and recognition he felt he deserved. This is a hallmark of narcissism. Narcissism takes the form of a quiet humble guy sometimes, hiding behind a mask, while seething that no one seems to recognize how he deserves lots of extra attention and rewards.

So by that logic, all deaths are supposed to make no impact, make no sound, and die quietly?? I do not get it.. What if you are being tortured, what the?? Won't you feel powerful when you have that way out, an extreme sense of control over your own life?? by your logic, everyone here would be a narcissist..
To be honest, both the above posts seem like Oppression encouragement to me. "get burned and be okay with it" and stuff. Maybe pro lifer propaganda to Shame all the suicides. Not far from shaming atleast. I won't stand where suicides are shamed. Yeah, People are really pushed to point where they take the extreme step.. I thought this place had no people who shamed suicide, I was wrong. Well, not surprised.

 

[cazwiz]

Someone had asked:
Whats the thinking behind doing it live?

What is your explanation for why he did it on social media? Since you don't like my idea.

Also notice no thought was given to what would become of his dog, which for me would be unthinkable, to have my pet there while I did that.

So if you have another explanation for him doing it on social media let me know please.

I offer no explanation because I don't pretend to know his personal psychology from minimal information.

 

[prisoner416]

Whats the thinking behind doing it live (not criticising btw) is it cathartic or a great big fuck you sort of thing ?

Partly to be notable and assure my place in time. Partly as a fuck you to a few select people.

 

[Meditation guide]

I thought this place had no people who shamed suicide,

I was answering why someone would commit suicide on social media, not "shaming suicide" as you know. There may have been some kind of psychological reason right?
To look for answers does not equate to "shaming suicide".

Why attack me and come up with a sinister motive for me simply trying to find a reason for a legitimate question?

 

[Anonymoussn]

I can't believe you're still trying to prove that a soldier is too stupid to know how to effectively kill themselves with a gun. A simple internet search will show anyone how to do it, let alone an experienced soldier. Is this one of those things where you state random facts to sustain a stale online argument?

Not really a 'random fact' that soldiers aren't told to aim for the brain stem. Pretty relevant to what you said, so just making a point.

Also, I dont think he was 'too stupid' since he killed himself instantly which was the desired effect.

And I'm not sure what you mean by 'still trying to prove', as the comment you replied to is the only one I wrote about the soldier. So not sure if you're mistaking me for someone else.

 

[cyberlordsumit]

addressing above, only a person who has fits of anger can relate.

I used to have fits of anger against the bullies, Hell I'd have killed someone those days, I used to throw desks at the bullies, people ised to get scared and call me crazy.. That used to fuel my anger much more. By @Meditation guide 's opinion, this would mean I'm a narcissist (?) These episodes don't stop, and the more i tried to control, more i got branded, aliented amd called names.
There's a line to what's the bare minimum people should give to us, and if they can't give it to us and Dehumanise us, that means something is wronh woth them, not us.
Definitely, this would turn people into so called maniacs someday, "Criminals are made, Not Born" as they say. And the explanation of him being a narcissists is baseless, because Narcissists don't kill themselves, they kill others but not themselves.

 

[GrumpyFrog]

so you mean all suicides are irrational??

I honestly don't see how you concluded this from my post.
Let me clarify - I don't believe all suicides are irrational. I don't believe that there are no cases where people are being pressured into killing themselves by other people who hurt them a great deal and are justified in blaming others for their death. But I do mean that believing you are being pressured or forced to kill yourself because you weren't given a promotion you wanted or because someone doesn't pay attention to you is irrational. I don't say he wasn't hurting enough. I don't say he didn't have a right to kill himself. I just say that, assuming that we know what the primary motivation for his act was from the video itself and there isn't some other explanation we don't know about, killing himself in such a manner was an extremely irrational thing to do.

So by that logic, all deaths are supposed to make no impact, make no sound, and die quietly?? I do not get it.. What if you are being tortured, what the??

But what difference does it make? This is where I don't get it. I understand wanting to end your life because it's torture, I can even understand not caring who gets traumatized in the process because you're hurting so much you're willing to shoot yourself in the middle of a playground if that ends your suffering ASAP. But I do not understand why would anyone deliberately want to attract attention to their suicide. What's the point of getting attention from people if once you get it you'll be dead and it will make no difference to you either way?

Won't you feel powerful when you have that way out, an extreme sense of control over your own life??

...no? Seeking a way out of life is pretty much the opposite of being powerful. It means you, at least in your own mind, exhausted every other option to take control over your life and steer it in a direction you want.

To be honest, both the above posts seem like Oppression encouragement to me. "get burned and be okay with it" and stuff. Maybe pro lifer propaganda to Shame all the suicides. Not far from shaming atleast. I won't stand where suicides are shamed. Yeah, People are really pushed to point where they take the extreme step.. I thought this place had no people who shamed suicide, I was wrong. Well, not surprised.

Where's oppression in our posts, or in the video, or pretty much anywhere in the thread?
I don't think that we only have two options - either shaming all suicides or applauding every single one of them. I have a neutral opinion on suicides - I don't believe they are necessarily horrible and have to be prevented at all costs in all cases, but I don't think they should be encouraged either. I believe that dying by suicide is no different from dying in any other way. If I am supposed to believe all of the suicides are perfectly rational to be a part of this community, then I'm sorry, I must've made a mistake by coming here.