Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[kudaphillips]

Hey everyone, thank you so much for this site. I have bipolar and several health issues and have been suffering for 30 years. No problems with breathing though that would prohibit this method. My life has gotten to where I just can't keep going anymore. Everything is prepared down to instructions and my will.

I've been reading threads for several weeks and have a setup for nitrogen with EEBD. I went with EEBD because of so many challenges reported with getting the tightness of the exit bag just right and loosing too much nitrogen, but I do have an exit bag I tested with oxygen while waiting for the EEBD to arrive, and it inflates well and works fine. I have it just in case.

I have tested my EEBD several times with oxygen and everything worked well. I was fine with the hood on for even a few minutes with oxygen with no problems with CO2 buildup.

I was able to modify the EEBD hood so the internal mask part fits snug on my face but I can still feel air through the exhale valve when I breathe out. My gas line connections are definitely air tight too so no leaking from the tank to the EEBD.

Today I tried my setup breathing nitrogen for the first time. I have an Argon regulator with flow meter. I tried 40 CFH (which works out to about 22 liters per minute nitrogen, as I understand it). It was easy to breathe.

Within about 5 breaths of nitrogen thought I felt lightheaded but then my heart started pounding and severe anxiety kicked in. I had to stop. I'm at peace with dying. That doesn't scare me. Suffering scares me, but I think this was more physiological. This was about 3 hours ago and I'm still feeling sleepy, fuzzy headed and have a headache. I don't think CO2 would cause those symptoms that quickly, but maybe? This is why I think it was physiological from the nitrogen. I've read all the studies posted in the various threads, several experience posts, the PPH, final exit, etc. several times. I don't think it's as easy as PHP claims though.

I was still hoping I would pass out before the serious SI kicked in.

How can I get past the SI? Has anyone been able to pass out with EEBD? I need to CTB soon before I lose my chance. Thank you for any help!

This happens to me also, other members don't seem to mention it. I get drenched In sweat, heart pounding etc, not sure if it's nervous system reaction or anxiety.or what

Also terrified of suffering , not dying . Wish I had the balls for shotgun method …fml

 

[rj3542]

@kudaphillips thanks for replying. Do you feel you can overcome it? I've researched every method.

I triedfill suspension hanging first, dozens of times, but I couldn't get coordinated enough to jump and kick the chair away. I can't get N or SN. Can't buy a gun. Researched jumping but only reliable option to get the height in my area would be a hot air balloon and I doubt I could get over the basket. Nitrogen is the only method I have now.

@ClownWorld2023 I saw in this thread you had trouble with using EEBD. If you're still here, did you find a way that works for you?

 

[kudaphillips]

@kudaphillips thanks for replying. Do you feel you can overcome it? I've researched every method.

I triedfill suspension hanging first, dozens of times, but I couldn't get coordinated enough to jump and kick the chair away. I can't get N or SN. Can't buy a gun. Researched jumping but only reliable option to get the height in my area would be a hot air balloon and I doubt I could get over the basket. Nitrogen is the only method I have now.

@ClownWorld2023 I saw in this thread you had trouble with using EEBD. If you're still here, did you find a way that works for you?

I have never done an actual 100% attempt. Can I overcome th SI? I have no idea . It's because of SI that I haven't fully attempted . I've got to think when the heart starts pounding I could last 30 mor seconds , and just force myself, make a game out of it maybe

I have firearms but when that barrel is in your mouth it's scary, whenever I decide to try I actually end up shying away more each time based on th fear from it .. the closest I ever ad to pulling the trigger was prob first time I put the barrel in my mouth . Done it like 300 times since

 

[outrider567]

Hey everyone, thank you so much for this site. I have bipolar and several health issues and have been suffering for 30 years. No problems with breathing though that would prohibit this method. My life has gotten to where I just can't keep going anymore. Everything is prepared down to instructions and my will.

I've been reading threads for several weeks and have a setup for nitrogen with EEBD. I went with EEBD because of so many challenges reported with getting the tightness of the exit bag just right and loosing too much nitrogen, but I do have an exit bag I tested with oxygen while waiting for the EEBD to arrive, and it inflates well and works fine. I have it just in case.

I have tested my EEBD several times with oxygen and everything worked well. I was fine with the hood on for even a few minutes with oxygen with no problems with CO2 buildup.

I was able to modify the EEBD hood so the internal mask part fits snug on my face but I can still feel air through the exhale valve when I breathe out. My gas line connections are definitely air tight too so no leaking from the tank to the EEBD.

Today I tried my setup breathing nitrogen for the first time. I have an Argon regulator with flow meter. I tried 40 CFH (which works out to about 22 liters per minute nitrogen, as I understand it). It was easy to breathe.

Within about 5 breaths of nitrogen thought I felt lightheaded but then my heart started pounding and severe anxiety kicked in. I had to stop. I'm at peace with dying. That doesn't scare me. Suffering scares me, but I think this was more physiological. This was about 3 hours ago and I'm still feeling sleepy, fuzzy headed and have a headache. I don't think CO2 would cause those symptoms that quickly, but maybe? This is why I think it was physiological from the nitrogen. I've read all the studies posted in the various threads, several experience posts, the PPH, final exit, etc. several times. I don't think it's as easy as PHP claims though.

I was still hoping I would pass out before the serious SI kicked in.

How can I get past the SI? Has anyone been able to pass out with EEBD? I need to CTB soon before I lose my chance. Thank you for any help!

You need an Oximeter to make sure you're getting enough Nitrogen-- I Tested 6 times with the EEBD Hood, after 5 breaths, Oxygen level dropped to 80, ripped off the tight fitting hood and my Oxygen level dropped to 40--Think I felt slightly light-headed--Used 25 LPM rate---Das Nichts did what you did and passed out, fell to the floor and dislodged the Nitrogen, otherwise he wouldn't be here---I had no anxiety breathing in the Nitrogen, other than pulse jumping which is normal--Das Nichts said just before he passed out and everything was very peaceful--He did give the odd remark that he saw red and green lights before he passed out

 

[devils~advocate]

I guess one could take something to help with being calm. I might use THC Delta 8-9 to help calm myself down when the time comes.
I was under the assumption that Nitrogen would bring on unconsciousness fairly quickly.
There are videos of how this happens shown in an experiment with pigs.
The pig sticks his head into a chamber that has food in it,,,but also filled with gas....it falls unconscious very quickly.....staggers out & regains composure.....only to stick its head back into the chamber to eat. It proved that there were no aversions from the process.
Nitrous oxide when used in the past by dentistry etc, supposedly had a euphoric effect (well being, happiness), so I would think this would be similar.
I like this aspect very much. My hope is that it is peaceful, happy and quick.

 

[EscapeFromLife]

This thread's post seems too complicated to me. Inert gas could be a method of my choice because it seems painless, quick, 100% death guarantee. But the set up is very hard to follow as written here. Could anyone kindly suggest a possible simplified version that can also work for this method? Thanks.

 

[rj3542]

@outrider567 I used the pulse oximeter for the test today and increased the flow more. O2 went down to the 50s when I started convulsing mildly in my arms, like they were jumping a little. I didn't pass out, though after about 45 seconds. I'll try again in a bit.

 

[outrider567]

@outrider567 I used the pulse oximeter for the test today and increased the flow more. O2 went down to the 50s when I started convulsing mildly in my arms, like they were jumping a little. I didn't pass out, though after about 45 seconds. I'll try again in a bit.

It went down in the 50's after you removed the hood?

I guess one could take something to help with being calm. I might use THC Delta 8-9 to help calm myself down when the time comes.
I was under the assumption that Nitrogen would bring on unconsciousness fairly quickly.
There are videos of how this happens shown in an experiment with pigs.
The pig sticks his head into a chamber that has food in it,,,but also filled with gas....it falls unconscious very quickly.....staggers out & regains composure.....only to stick its head back into the chamber to eat. It proved that there were no aversions from the process.
Nitrous oxide when used in the past by dentistry etc, supposedly had a euphoric effect (well being, happiness), so I would think this would be similar.
I like this aspect very much. My hope is that it is peaceful, happy and quick.

Just ask Das Nichts, he passed out pretty fast from the Nitrogen at 25 LPM

 

[rj3542]

@EscapeFromLife I kept it simple with a nitrogen tank, argon regulator with flow meter that came with a hose barb so I knew it would fit, an EEBD hood off an auction site that I cut the hose off the air tank and connected to the hose barb and secured with a hose clamps. The only tools were a large crescent wrench for the regulator and flat head screw driver for the hose clamp.

I don't think there are any guarantees though. I'm still practicing with my setup to be able to keep the hood on long enough to pass out.

@outrider567 My O2 was in the 50s with the hood on when I aborted. I took the oximeter off to remove the hood and then rechecked and O2 was already back in the 90s. I'd had a few breaths of air at that point getting the hood off. Any thoughts? Really appreciate your help. I've never passed out from drinking even when others having the same amount did (I'm a small person) so there may be something different about my neurology. I had a TBI as a child.

@Das Nichts do you mind sharing your experience or point me where to read about it if you posted somewhere? What's your setup?

 

[kudaphillips]

@outrider567 I used the pulse oximeter for the test today and increased the flow more. O2 went down to the 50s when I started convulsing mildly in my arms, like they were jumping a little. I didn't pass out, though after about 45 seconds. I'll try again in a bit.

This is very unsettling to hear that you didn't pass out after 45 seconds . Is this with exit bag ? Did you hyperventilate and take a larg first breath ? Scrunch all th air out of the bag beforehand ?

 

[rj3542]

This is very unsettling to hear that you didn't pass out after 45 seconds . Is this with exit bag ? Did you hyperventilate and take a larg first breath ? Scrunch all th air out of the bag beforehand ?

@kudaphillips I'm using EEBD hood modified to be right around my nose and mouth with an exit valve (because I read so much about people having trouble with exit bags - more details about my setup in posts above).

I exhaled as much as I could and then took deep breaths. I converted the flow to be around 25Liters per minute nitrogen (40 CFH argon). The first few breaths are easy. Then my heart starts racing and I get mild jerky convulsions in my arms. I've tried with the hood attached to oxygen and I don't have any trouble with CO2 buildup. I can feel air leaving the mask through the valve when I exhale.

Any thoughts? Thank you so much! I really need to figure out how to make this work.

 

[outrider567]

@EscapeFromLife I kept it simple with a nitrogen tank, argon regulator with flow meter that came with a hose barb so I knew it would fit, an EEBD hood off an auction site that I cut the hose off the air tank and connected to the hose barb and secured with a hose clamps. The only tools were a large crescent wrench for the regulator and flat head screw driver for the hose clamp.

I don't think there are any guarantees though. I'm still practicing with my setup to be able to keep the hood on long enough to pass out.

@outrider567 My O2 was in the 50s with the hood on when I aborted. I took the oximeter off to remove the hood and then rechecked and O2 was already back in the 90s. I'd had a few breaths of air at that point getting the hood off. Any thoughts? Really appreciate your help. I've never passed out from drinking even when others having the same amount did (I'm a small person) so there may be something different about my neurology. I had a TBI as a child.

@Das Nichts do you mind sharing your experience or point me where to read about it if you posted somewhere? What's your setup?

Das Nichts hasn't posted since Oct 2023---Having your O2 level drop to the 50's while still having the EEBD Hood on is rather dangerous, counting the 5 to ten second delay

 

[kudaphillips]

@kudaphillips I'm using EEBD hood modified to be right around my nose and mouth with an exit valve (because I read so much about people having trouble with exit bags - more details about my setup in posts above).

I exhaled as much as I could and then took deep breaths. I converted the flow to be around 25Liters per minute nitrogen (40 CFH argon). The first few breaths are easy. Then my heart starts racing and I get mild jerky convulsions in my arms. I've tried with the hood attached to oxygen and I don't have any trouble with CO2 buildup. I can feel air leaving the mask through the valve when I exhale.

Any thoughts? Thank you so much! I really need to figure out how to make this work.

What problems have you heard with exit bags ?

 

[rj3542]

What problems have you heard with exit bags ?

I've been reading this thread and related ones for a while and it seems some people go for 5 minutes or more without becoming unconscious, using a lot of gas. I wonder if it's tricky to get the tightness of the exit bag just right. Some people also talked about it coming off easily.

Das Nichts hasn't posted since Oct 2023---Having your O2 level drop to the 50's while still having the EEBD Hood on is rather dangerous, counting the 5 to ten second delay

Thanks @outrider567 . Hopefully he went in peace if he ctb'd.

Yeah, the 50% makes me leery to keep experimenting. Gotta be some way for this to work though.

 

[kudaphillips]

I've been reading this thread and related ones for a while and it seems some people go for 5 minutes or more without becoming unconscious, using a lot of gas. I wonder if it's tricky to get the tightness of the exit bag just right. Some people also talked about it coming off easily.

Thanks @outrider567 . Hopefully he went in peace if he ctb'd.

Yeah, the 50% makes me leery to keep experimenting. Gotta be some way for this to work though.

I'd be interested in reading those accounts if you know which page Theyr on. The ones I've seen the people were doing things obviously wrong , like a few pages back the guy didn't even use elastic chord or a toggle he just tied a rope around the bag ,

I think the bag can be pretty tight on the neck ( not that I suggest overly tight ). I've experimented with the bag pretty damn tight and the air still escapes. People,who said the bag came off certainly didn't make it correctly or follow proper procedure.

 

[devils~advocate]

This thread's post seems too complicated to me. Inert gas could be a method of my choice because it seems painless, quick, 100% death guarantee. But the set up is very hard to follow as written here. Could anyone kindly suggest a possible simplified version that can also work for this method? Thanks.

Which method are you referring to? I mean to produce some visual images that would explain the systems / methods. But I'd need input from others to verify and proof read. Maybe outrider567, kudaphillips can help review.

 

[EscapeFromLife]

Which method are you referring to? I mean to produce some visual images that would explain the systems / methods. But I'd need input from others to verify and proof read. Maybe outrider567, kudaphillips can help review.

@devils~advocate I am referring to the exit bag and inert gas (N2/Ar/He) method.

 

[rj3542]

I'd be interested in reading those accounts if you know which page Theyr on. The ones I've seen the people were doing things obviously wrong , like a few pages back the guy didn't even use elastic chord or a toggle he just tied a rope around the bag ,

I think the bag can be pretty tight on the neck ( not that I suggest overly tight ). I've experimented with the bag pretty damn tight and the air still escapes. People,who said the bag came off certainly didn't make it correctly or follow proper procedure.

@kudaphillips that's good to know about the bag. I've been reading pretty heavily for days and didn't save the exit bag failure posts, sorry about that. I do think some were in the thread below. If I come across any again, I'll circle back and post them. Sounds like you have your set up working well for you though. I may try the exit bag and if that doesn't work, and I'm seeing if I can source SN as a backup.

Exit bag and inert gas megathread

There is a diagram in my blog which recommends a typical setup. With respect to assembly, it is very simple. Please feel free to chat or PM me. Cheers! Hi, do you have a link for the set up?

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[kudaphillips]

@kudaphillips that's good to know about the bag. I've been reading pretty heavily for days and didn't save the exit bag failure posts, sorry about that. I do think some were in the thread below. If I come across any again, I'll circle back and post them. Sounds like you have your set up working well for you though. I may try the exit bag and if that doesn't work, and I'm seeing if I can source SN as a backup.

Exit bag and inert gas megathread

There is a diagram in my blog which recommends a typical setup. With respect to assembly, it is very simple. Please feel free to chat or PM me. Cheers! Hi, do you have a link for the set up?

sanctioned-suicide.net

Well I won't know if it's working well, till it's working well .. haha
I don't see how it won't work . Im using double tanks a 40 and an 80 .double regulators both set at 15 lpm, strapped in, hands zip tied , all metrics tested like gas purity and O2 tested with dummy head . If I don't pass out in a minute I'll prob bail, then have to go shotgun method ,

 

[hajnalka]

i was wondering if i connect the hose to the regulator and secure it with a jubilee clip, but don't use it for weeks or even months, would that somehow be an issue?

 

[kudaphillips]

i was wondering if i connect the hose to the regulator and secure it with a jubilee clip, but don't use it for weeks or even months, would that somehow be an issue?

I think even years is fine. Just check for leaks if your ever not sure using soapy water spray

 

[Blockz]

Guys if this in SCFH how do I convert it to L/PM like how much would 20-30L/PM be in SCFH I'm thinking of buying this pressure regulator/ flowmeter for Argon Cylinder

 

[hajnalka]

hey! if anyone knows anything about argon regulators, would tightening / loosening the bolt between the gauge and the flowmeter do anything? i want to fully understand this before i attempt to open the valve. thanks greatly for any help!

 

[devils~advocate]

@devils~advocate I am referring to the exit bag and inert gas (N2/Ar/He) method.

Simplified version......
1) construct an exit bag per instructions in PPH, or book. Take time to carefully craft this. Suggest making 3-4, by the 4th one the craftsmanship would have improved.
2) order/obtain the gas cylinder. Suggestions are at least 40cf (I think this is about 5 L or 1.2 m3)
3) obtain a regulator that will fit the cylinder. Just look for an inert gas type (argon, CO2)
Get the kind that has a barb end on it so hosing can be attached.
4) obtain the right size hose and length. (4-6 ft)
6) tape the hose to the inside of hood securely
7) if the regulator has a flow meter on it (which prob will) the flow for Nitrogen would be 17-25 L/m (its a correction factor)

Uk Flowmeter regulator for Nitrogen Exit bag method ?

Hello everyone, I have a quick question and would love some help with it! I live in the UK and I'm in the process of setting up my Nitrogen Exit bag method. I've got pretty much everything by the Flowmeter regulator. Here are the ones I've found so far but I'm wondering if they are the rights...

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Guys if this in SCFH how do I convert it to L/PM like how much would 20-30L/PM be in SCFH I'm thinking of buying this pressure regulator/ flowmeter for Argon Cylinder

There are conversion calculators online that might give a more accurate answer.
20 to 30 L/m = 42 to 63 cfh

You have to do a correction factor

Uk Flowmeter regulator for Nitrogen Exit bag method ?

Hello everyone, I have a quick question and would love some help with it! I live in the UK and I'm in the process of setting up my Nitrogen Exit bag method. I've got pretty much everything by the Flowmeter regulator. Here are the ones I've found so far but I'm wondering if they are the rights...

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hey! if anyone knows anything about argon regulators, would tightening / loosening the bolt between the gauge and the flowmeter do anything? i want to fully understand this before i attempt to open the valve. thanks greatly for any help!

Which bolt are you referring to? The parts or sections of the regulator iteslf should all be tightly connected.
The black knob on the right appears to be the valve that opens up the regulator. Then you'll see a little metal ball in the flow meter float up...it shows the flow (in this case calibrated for argon)....can't see the units if it is CFH or L/m.
There is a correction factor if using another gas.

Uk Flowmeter regulator for Nitrogen Exit bag method ?

Hello everyone, I have a quick question and would love some help with it! I live in the UK and I'm in the process of setting up my Nitrogen Exit bag method. I've got pretty much everything by the Flowmeter regulator. Here are the ones I've found so far but I'm wondering if they are the rights...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[EscapeFromLife]

Guys if this in SCFH how do I convert it to L/PM like how much would 20-30L/PM be in SCFH I'm thinking of buying this pressure regulator/ flowmeter for Argon Cylinder

How to use this for ctb?

 

[Blockz]

How to use this for ctb?

Yes now would I use for ctb what is the conversion rate coz 25 L/pm is 52. Smth cfh

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

Is this large enough? I don't know if you can tell just from this image/angle.

That one is from the website I would order from. There are a couple of enlarged images on google images but they are from the UK/other shops which might be different valve?

For what it's worth, these are some of the attachments they sell to inflate the balloons, if you are able to derive anything from this.
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Thanks in advance.

I know this is a late reply, but just a FYI for other readers:

Based on your picture I found the website you're probable referring to (ai******ts.be?) and the helium concentration of that tank (meant for balloons) is >92% while the ones for technical use (welding) ranges between 99.996% and 100%. Problem is: those tanks are 50l and I think they weigh about 49kg. I was able to create an account without a BTW nummer. If I add something to the shopping cart I get the option to pick it up at a supplier.

About the tank in your picture: if you choose 20L (300bar) the price is 275,60 euro (excl. BTW) and it's 0,54 euro/day (since you hire the tank, not buy it). The fact that the price is tax excluded points out I'll probably need that BTW nummer after all. (So I'm not ordering yet.)

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

There is a video on youtube titled "Death in a Can: Australia's Euthanasia Loophole". It features Philip Nietschke selling Mad Dog Brewing labelled nitrogen cylinders.
I can't see the amount of gas in the cylinders, but those cylinders look very small. Do you think those simple bags and gas quantities are enough for reliable CTB?

You need to multiply L by PW to know how much helium is in there. Boudewijn Chabot (Uitweg/Dignified dying) mentions 2 helium tanks of 23l with 420l of helium, so don't be fooled by size. The thing you need to look out for is the percentage of helium. In the US they mix it with oxygen, so it becomes unusable.

Edit: Sorry, mixing nitrogen and helium, but should be the same thing (although I don't thingkthey mix nitrogen and oxygen).

As for the bag: there's another Betty video out there where she explains how to prepare it. You'll need micropore tape, an elastic cord and a cord stopper.

P.S.: Max Dog Brewing is out of businesses.

 

[devils~advocate]

Yes now would I use for ctb what is the conversion rate coz 25 L/pm is 52. Smth cfh

25 L/m (metric) = 52 cf/h (imperial)

You might be able to find a regulator / flow meter that shows metric L/m.
Actually I have seen about 50% of the flow meters for sale that show it L/m anyway.

The 25 L/m is just what some posters here on the forum have suggested for ctb using the hood method. That below this, the breathing is uncomfortable.
The Final Exit book I believe mentions at least 15 L/m.
Human breathes are about 0.5 L each and about 12 breathes per minute. Which is about 6 L/m.
The above rates of 15 or 25 probably take into account leaks, breathing comfort and other factors.

 

[Not A Fan]

I'm doing Liquid Nitrogen in a confined space following the reports of industrial accidents where nitrogenized confined spaces (vehicle cabin, pipeline) resulted in death within minutes, passing out within a breath or two. Recent LN2 leak at chicken factory resulted in mass casulaties, and this was even in a wide open space. I guess since the cold vapor as it evaporates from liquid-to-gas at 1:695 and heavier partial pressure the cryogenic state saturated the atmosphere from bottom up. Plus cold nitrogen gas condenses the oxygen from your lungs (and air) besides displacing it. Most recent industrial accident at a plant report read a pipeline was purged with N2 and its end was covered with some tarp a day ago. Apparently that was enough to kill the first worker and second one who was near the endpoint passed out. The atmosphere was definately below 98% since it wasn't actively purging and the N2 couldn't have gotten that far out into the line since the source was a long way away. Plus, there was a wind draft, and the purge cycle ran 24 hours ago. Even then, that was apparently enough (I figure 94% N2 at best; the report doesn't say) but he was out in a wink.

This sounds interesting. Has this ever been used before? Liquid nitrogen in a confined space. I wonder how much you would need.