Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[EscapeFromLife]

Which method are you referring to? I mean to produce some visual images that would explain the systems / methods. But I'd need input from others to verify and proof read. Maybe outrider567, kudaphillips can help review.

@devils~advocate I am referring to the exit bag and inert gas (N2/Ar/He) method.

 

[rj3542]

I'd be interested in reading those accounts if you know which page Theyr on. The ones I've seen the people were doing things obviously wrong , like a few pages back the guy didn't even use elastic chord or a toggle he just tied a rope around the bag ,

I think the bag can be pretty tight on the neck ( not that I suggest overly tight ). I've experimented with the bag pretty damn tight and the air still escapes. People,who said the bag came off certainly didn't make it correctly or follow proper procedure.

@kudaphillips that's good to know about the bag. I've been reading pretty heavily for days and didn't save the exit bag failure posts, sorry about that. I do think some were in the thread below. If I come across any again, I'll circle back and post them. Sounds like you have your set up working well for you though. I may try the exit bag and if that doesn't work, and I'm seeing if I can source SN as a backup.

Exit bag and inert gas megathread

There is a diagram in my blog which recommends a typical setup. With respect to assembly, it is very simple. Please feel free to chat or PM me. Cheers! Hi, do you have a link for the set up?

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[kudaphillips]

@kudaphillips that's good to know about the bag. I've been reading pretty heavily for days and didn't save the exit bag failure posts, sorry about that. I do think some were in the thread below. If I come across any again, I'll circle back and post them. Sounds like you have your set up working well for you though. I may try the exit bag and if that doesn't work, and I'm seeing if I can source SN as a backup.

Exit bag and inert gas megathread

There is a diagram in my blog which recommends a typical setup. With respect to assembly, it is very simple. Please feel free to chat or PM me. Cheers! Hi, do you have a link for the set up?

sanctioned-suicide.net

Well I won't know if it's working well, till it's working well .. haha
I don't see how it won't work . Im using double tanks a 40 and an 80 .double regulators both set at 15 lpm, strapped in, hands zip tied , all metrics tested like gas purity and O2 tested with dummy head . If I don't pass out in a minute I'll prob bail, then have to go shotgun method ,

 

[hajnalka]

i was wondering if i connect the hose to the regulator and secure it with a jubilee clip, but don't use it for weeks or even months, would that somehow be an issue?

 

[kudaphillips]

i was wondering if i connect the hose to the regulator and secure it with a jubilee clip, but don't use it for weeks or even months, would that somehow be an issue?

I think even years is fine. Just check for leaks if your ever not sure using soapy water spray

 

[Blockz]

Guys if this in SCFH how do I convert it to L/PM like how much would 20-30L/PM be in SCFH I'm thinking of buying this pressure regulator/ flowmeter for Argon Cylinder

 

[hajnalka]

hey! if anyone knows anything about argon regulators, would tightening / loosening the bolt between the gauge and the flowmeter do anything? i want to fully understand this before i attempt to open the valve. thanks greatly for any help!

 

[devils~advocate]

@devils~advocate I am referring to the exit bag and inert gas (N2/Ar/He) method.

Simplified version......
1) construct an exit bag per instructions in PPH, or book. Take time to carefully craft this. Suggest making 3-4, by the 4th one the craftsmanship would have improved.
2) order/obtain the gas cylinder. Suggestions are at least 40cf (I think this is about 5 L or 1.2 m3)
3) obtain a regulator that will fit the cylinder. Just look for an inert gas type (argon, CO2)
Get the kind that has a barb end on it so hosing can be attached.
4) obtain the right size hose and length. (4-6 ft)
6) tape the hose to the inside of hood securely
7) if the regulator has a flow meter on it (which prob will) the flow for Nitrogen would be 17-25 L/m (its a correction factor)

Uk Flowmeter regulator for Nitrogen Exit bag method ?

Hello everyone, I have a quick question and would love some help with it! I live in the UK and I'm in the process of setting up my Nitrogen Exit bag method. I've got pretty much everything by the Flowmeter regulator. Here are the ones I've found so far but I'm wondering if they are the rights...

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Guys if this in SCFH how do I convert it to L/PM like how much would 20-30L/PM be in SCFH I'm thinking of buying this pressure regulator/ flowmeter for Argon Cylinder

There are conversion calculators online that might give a more accurate answer.
20 to 30 L/m = 42 to 63 cfh

You have to do a correction factor

Uk Flowmeter regulator for Nitrogen Exit bag method ?

Hello everyone, I have a quick question and would love some help with it! I live in the UK and I'm in the process of setting up my Nitrogen Exit bag method. I've got pretty much everything by the Flowmeter regulator. Here are the ones I've found so far but I'm wondering if they are the rights...

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hey! if anyone knows anything about argon regulators, would tightening / loosening the bolt between the gauge and the flowmeter do anything? i want to fully understand this before i attempt to open the valve. thanks greatly for any help!

Which bolt are you referring to? The parts or sections of the regulator iteslf should all be tightly connected.
The black knob on the right appears to be the valve that opens up the regulator. Then you'll see a little metal ball in the flow meter float up...it shows the flow (in this case calibrated for argon)....can't see the units if it is CFH or L/m.
There is a correction factor if using another gas.

Uk Flowmeter regulator for Nitrogen Exit bag method ?

Hello everyone, I have a quick question and would love some help with it! I live in the UK and I'm in the process of setting up my Nitrogen Exit bag method. I've got pretty much everything by the Flowmeter regulator. Here are the ones I've found so far but I'm wondering if they are the rights...

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[EscapeFromLife]

Guys if this in SCFH how do I convert it to L/PM like how much would 20-30L/PM be in SCFH I'm thinking of buying this pressure regulator/ flowmeter for Argon Cylinder

How to use this for ctb?

 

[Blockz]

How to use this for ctb?

Yes now would I use for ctb what is the conversion rate coz 25 L/pm is 52. Smth cfh

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

Is this large enough? I don't know if you can tell just from this image/angle.

That one is from the website I would order from. There are a couple of enlarged images on google images but they are from the UK/other shops which might be different valve?

For what it's worth, these are some of the attachments they sell to inflate the balloons, if you are able to derive anything from this.
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Thanks in advance.

I know this is a late reply, but just a FYI for other readers:

Based on your picture I found the website you're probable referring to (ai******ts.be?) and the helium concentration of that tank (meant for balloons) is >92% while the ones for technical use (welding) ranges between 99.996% and 100%. Problem is: those tanks are 50l and I think they weigh about 49kg. I was able to create an account without a BTW nummer. If I add something to the shopping cart I get the option to pick it up at a supplier.

About the tank in your picture: if you choose 20L (300bar) the price is 275,60 euro (excl. BTW) and it's 0,54 euro/day (since you hire the tank, not buy it). The fact that the price is tax excluded points out I'll probably need that BTW nummer after all. (So I'm not ordering yet.)

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

There is a video on youtube titled "Death in a Can: Australia's Euthanasia Loophole". It features Philip Nietschke selling Mad Dog Brewing labelled nitrogen cylinders.
I can't see the amount of gas in the cylinders, but those cylinders look very small. Do you think those simple bags and gas quantities are enough for reliable CTB?

You need to multiply L by PW to know how much helium is in there. Boudewijn Chabot (Uitweg/Dignified dying) mentions 2 helium tanks of 23l with 420l of helium, so don't be fooled by size. The thing you need to look out for is the percentage of helium. In the US they mix it with oxygen, so it becomes unusable.

Edit: Sorry, mixing nitrogen and helium, but should be the same thing (although I don't thingkthey mix nitrogen and oxygen).

As for the bag: there's another Betty video out there where she explains how to prepare it. You'll need micropore tape, an elastic cord and a cord stopper.

P.S.: Max Dog Brewing is out of businesses.

 

[devils~advocate]

Yes now would I use for ctb what is the conversion rate coz 25 L/pm is 52. Smth cfh

25 L/m (metric) = 52 cf/h (imperial)

You might be able to find a regulator / flow meter that shows metric L/m.
Actually I have seen about 50% of the flow meters for sale that show it L/m anyway.

The 25 L/m is just what some posters here on the forum have suggested for ctb using the hood method. That below this, the breathing is uncomfortable.
The Final Exit book I believe mentions at least 15 L/m.
Human breathes are about 0.5 L each and about 12 breathes per minute. Which is about 6 L/m.
The above rates of 15 or 25 probably take into account leaks, breathing comfort and other factors.

 

[Not A Fan]

I'm doing Liquid Nitrogen in a confined space following the reports of industrial accidents where nitrogenized confined spaces (vehicle cabin, pipeline) resulted in death within minutes, passing out within a breath or two. Recent LN2 leak at chicken factory resulted in mass casulaties, and this was even in a wide open space. I guess since the cold vapor as it evaporates from liquid-to-gas at 1:695 and heavier partial pressure the cryogenic state saturated the atmosphere from bottom up. Plus cold nitrogen gas condenses the oxygen from your lungs (and air) besides displacing it. Most recent industrial accident at a plant report read a pipeline was purged with N2 and its end was covered with some tarp a day ago. Apparently that was enough to kill the first worker and second one who was near the endpoint passed out. The atmosphere was definately below 98% since it wasn't actively purging and the N2 couldn't have gotten that far out into the line since the source was a long way away. Plus, there was a wind draft, and the purge cycle ran 24 hours ago. Even then, that was apparently enough (I figure 94% N2 at best; the report doesn't say) but he was out in a wink.

This sounds interesting. Has this ever been used before? Liquid nitrogen in a confined space. I wonder how much you would need.

 

[Kapsyl]

This sounds interesting. Has this ever been used before? Liquid nitrogen in a confined space. I wonder how much you would need.

Liquid nitrogen expands 696 times at 20 degree Celsius as it vaporizes. So it depends on what kind of confined space we're talking about

A typical car is about 3000 liters of inner volume for reference.

But a few liters of liquid nitrogen at least, the more the better until the point of ridiculous of course.

 

[Not A Fan]

Liquid nitrogen expands 696 times at 20 degree Celsius as it vaporizes. So it depends on what kind of confined space we're talking about

A typical car is about 3000 liters of inner volume for reference.

But a few liters of liquid nitrogen at least, the more the better until the point of ridiculous of course.

I have a sedan-sized car that figures into my plans regardless of the specific method (ie... one could exit bag in the car as well.) It's in a small garage with a closing door for privacy. I liked the idea of the liquid nitrogen because it combines the method of inert gas without having to use any headgear.

Sort of like a DIY sarco in your beloved car. Sounds about perfect.

Edit: I might be worry about some it leaking out though. It seems crazy strong and totally undetectable by any passersby. Might not be very responsible unless you had a totally sealed chamber/very secluded location. Although, the cases of accidental death seemed due to continuous leaks, whereas a few liters would probably dissipate rather quickly. The fact the the car would be enclosed within another enclosure -- the garage -- though not airtight, would likely prevent a large buildup outside. As long as one didn't use much more than one needed.

Liquid nitrogen is not straightforward to obtain, it turns out. And it has to be transported in some kind of special vehicle. Maybe delivery is possible?


Cost wise seems good. The container is what will cost you a couple hundred bucks.

See: wikihow.com/Purchase-Liquid-Nitrogen

 

[kudaphillips]

Liquid nitrogen expands 696 times at 20 degree Celsius as it vaporizes. So it depends on what kind of confined space we're talking about

A typical car is about 3000 liters of inner volume for reference.

But a few liters of liquid nitrogen at least, the more the better until the point of ridiculous of course.

Is liquid nitrogen as easy to obtain?

I have a sedan-sized car that figures into my plans regardless of the specific method (ie... one could exit bag in the car as well.) It's in a small garage with a closing door for privacy. I liked the idea of the liquid nitrogen because it combines the method of inert gas without having to use any headgear.

Sort of like a DIY sarco in your beloved car. Sounds about perfect.

Edit: I might be worry about some it leaking out though. It seems crazy strong and totally undetectable by any passersby. Might not be very responsible unless you had a totally sealed chamber/very secluded location. Although, the cases of accidental death seemed due to continuous leaks, whereas a few liters would probably dissipate rather quickly. The fact the the car would be enclosed within another enclosure -- the garage -- though not airtight, would likely prevent a large buildup outside. As long as one didn't use much more than one needed.

Liquid nitrogen is not straightforward to obtain, it turns out. And it has to be transported in some kind of special vehicle. Maybe delivery is possible?

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Cost wise seems good. The container is what will cost you a couple hundred bucks.

See: wikihow.com/Purchase-Liquid-Nitrogen

Sounds very cool, I wouldn't think liquid nitrogen is easy to obtain, if it is I might get some just to mess around with , crazy stuff.
In seriousness though, I'd be weary of doing untried and true methods personally,( I'm weary enough about tried and true methods like exit bag, gun methods etc ) but that's just me . Maybe you could run an exit bag rig in addition to dumping out liquid nitrogen

 

[Not A Fan]

Is liquid nitrogen as easy to obtain?

Sounds very cool, I wouldn't think liquid nitrogen is easy to obtain, if it is I might get some just to mess around with , crazy stuff.
In seriousness though, I'd be weary of doing untried and true methods personally,( I'm weary enough about tried and true methods like exit bag, gun methods etc ) but that's just me . Maybe you could run an exit bag rig in addition to dumping out liquid nitrogen

After some additional research, I found liquid nitrogen is very easily obtained in the US. It's about $4/liter and you need ideally 10 - 15 liters to saturate a small enclosed space. The containers cost $200 - $300+ but can be purchased cheaper used. This hasn't been used by many people to ctb which is why it's still readily available. In terms of reliability and simplicity of setup, it should theoretically score highly. If more people actually try it, we will be more confident, but then it will also go the way of SN and become a legend of the past that no one can access anymore. I guess this is just the inevitable cycle all these methods go through as they get discovered.

At this point, the most ideal thing I can imagine, is rapidly decanting 10 liters liquid nitrogen, into a wide, flat container (like a metal pan or something), in medium-sized weatherproof tent. If you keep your body low to the ground, there's practically no chance you won't be out in seconds flat. It seems more foolproof that the mask/bag avenue, which it seems like people have a propensity to mess up some detail and abandon the method.

 

[kudaphillips]

After some additional research, I found liquid nitrogen is very easily obtained in the US. It's about $4/liter and you need ideally 10 - 15 liters to saturate a small enclosed space. The containers cost $200 - $300+ but can be purchased cheaper used. This hasn't been used by many people to ctb which is why it's still readily available. In terms of reliability and simplicity of setup, it should theoretically score highly. If more people actually try it, we will be more confident, but then it will also go the way of SN and become a legend of the past that no one can access anymore. I guess this is just the inevitable cycle all these methods go through as they get discovered.

Interesting. Im into it.

 

[Not A Fan]

Interesting. Im into it.

theres another thread on this forum, im trying to find it. Just search for the word "dewar" which is what the containers are called, and you'll find some other threads with this discussion. Another member posted a Youtube video where this guy shows how easy it is to buy.

It's almost kinda morbid, his kids are sticking their heads into the container as it sublimates, no clue how it could have just wiped out that whole family while the dude pours it out in front of them. This stuff has been responsible for large scale peaceful death accidents at several industrial plants.

But it shows just how easily purchased it is for any dumbass. Maybe that is about the change after all this discussion on here... my bad....


I don't know.. personally I think it looks like a beautiful sexy chemical.

Edit:
Fatal Inhalation of Nitrogen in a closed Environment - academic journal paper this guy died in his car. He had 5 small containers, a couple must have leaked.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

I'm simply referring to my thread here. (Hope you don't mind; I'm in search of helium in Belgium.)

 

[golightly]

The concentration is written on the abel. Industrial gas is 99.99
Do a search on AB for this beauty......35 bucks for the mask and ldv. This would have been inconcievable at this price even a year ago. The image is mobile and wont paste so you can look for yourselves. Soft rubber inner mask unlike the yellow hood....and a LDV. Ill order and report back.
Positive pressure air breathing apparatus mask and RHZK 6.8 / 30mpa air supply valve
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100...e137cd546cf8a384523452f67ed&afSmartRedirect=y

Hey, I'm in nz also. 30s F. Would u be keen to die together?

 

[MBG]

See https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/livestream-nitrogen-exit-bag-death.171730/

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

I'm simply referring to my thread here. (Hope you don't mind; I'm in search of helium in Belgium.)

Never mind, I found 2 sites. Now for that regulator... According to Boudewijn Chabot (Uitweg/Diginified Dying) it's not really necessary.

 

[Kapsyl]

Never mind, I found 2 sites. Now for that regulator... According to Boudewijn Chabot (Uitweg/Diginified Dying) it's not really necessary.

I would highly recommend a regulator and a flowmeter. The old resources doesn't list them as necessary because they used lower pressure ballon canisters. High pressure cylinders like 130-200 bar isn't as easy to simply open and direct the helium as the previously referred canisters.

I'm maybe old school but I wouldn't trust life altering decisions be dictated by any chatrobot/chatgbt.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

I would highly recommend a regulator and a flowmeter. The old resources doesn't list them as necessary because they used lower pressure ballon canisters. High pressure cylinders like 130-200 bar isn't as easy to simply open and direct the helium as the previously referred canisters.

I'm maybe old school but I wouldn't trust life altering decisions be dictated by any chatrobot/chatgbt.

Boudewijn Chabot is a Dutch psychiatrist for the elderly who wrote a book 'Uitweg' (translated as 'Dignified dying', 15th edition, revised in 2022). But you're right, he's talking about helium tanks for balloons, so thanks for the tip. I'll keep it in mind.

 

[Kapsyl]

Boudewijn Chabot is a Dutch psychiatrist for the elderly who wrote a book 'Uitweg' (translated as 'Dignified dying', 15th edition, revised in 2022). But you're right, he's talking about helium tanks for balloons, so thanks for the tip. I'll keep it in mind.

Oh my bad, i genuinely misread his name for chatbot lol.

Do you know the thread connections on the proposed helium cylinders? If it's common you can still use an argon flowmeter with a conversion chart.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

Oh my bad, i genuinely misread his name for chatbot lol.

Do you know the thread connections on the proposed helium cylinders? If it's common you can still use an argon flowmeter with a conversion chart.

I thought as much.

I have no idea of the thread connections. It's a 50L tank of helium bought and delivered in Belgium.

 

[Kapsyl]

I thought as much.

I have no idea of the thread connections. It's a 50L tank of helium bought and delivered in Belgium.

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Look common enough, unfortunately I don't know what thread it is. But the connection doesn't look proprietary for helium use only since such big cylinders are used interchangeably between different gases.

50 liters is quite overkill, like 10 times my recommended amount lol. But I get that they don't sell any lower amount. What's the price? Must cost a fortune since helium is quite expensive even in small amount.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

Look common enough, unfortunately I don't know what thread it is. But the connection doesn't look proprietary for helium use only since such big cylinders are used interchangeably between different gases.

50 liters is quite overkill, like 10 times my recommended amount lol. But I get that they don't sell any lower amount. What's the price? Must cost a fortune since helium is quite expensive even in small amount.

Over 400 euro without tax (+21%). They also rent 10L and 20L, but I think those are 92% helium. The money isn't a problem; I'm more concerned about the weight. (-:

It's 300 bar, but that doesn't really say anything to me. Chabot mentions in his book something like multiply liters with PW value to know how much compressed helium you've got. Site doesn't mention PW unfortunately.