Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[JyeGuru]

What did it feel like to lose c9mciousness did you dream or anything ? How long did it take ? How'd you feel upon awaken8ng ?
I tried just breathing the tube in my mouth , I got drenched in sweat, prob from SI , stopped before oxygen got below 75

Personally it just felt like I drifted to sleep while tired, watching the show. It didn't feel "dreamy" or anything, but it didn't feel abnormally blank either. I'll have to try it again later today (people are in the house until late) and take more detailed notes. Sorry if this isn't really helpful.

 

[limeoctave]

I did once. It felt like fainting, getting a little dizzy between breaths, then going black. No discomfort or SI during this process (detailed below). I didn't have a timer going, so I'm not sure exactly how long it was, but I had a TV show going in the background and it was very similar to when you're watching TV while really tired, and just miss a little bit of the show when you blink but not enough to completely lose track of what's going on - so I imagine it was only a few seconds.

Afterwards, I had a little discomfort in my chest, tighness, but no worse than I've had after a workout or hyperventilating. This went away after about an hour, and today (after sleeping) I feel completely fine. The lowest reading I remember seeing on the oximeter was 46, but it's a cheapy Amazonian one and lags quite a bit, and I'm not sure how accurate it is. The oximeter was literally just there to ensure the N2 was working as expected the first couple of times, and I probably won't wear it going forward.

I will probably do it again today, and will try and record it on my phone so I have a better idea of how long, and if there's any weirdness.


The test I did, based on how I understand all of this to work, was:
- Set up the N2 as detailed in this thread, 20lpm, tubing, etc
- Hold an empty oven bag around the end of the tube and turn on the cylinder
- Wait until the bag is almost full
- Deep exhale (no hyperventilating)
- Hold bag opening over my face (N2 tube is still in the bag, held against my cheek), inhale deeply
- Continue to breathe into the bag, letting it a little loose on exhale to ensure gas is purging
- Start feeling dizzy/wobbly, can't hold the bag properly
- Once the bag falls, normal breathing recovers

So, the first time I just did this until I felt dizzy, watched the oximeter show me that it's clearly working, no feeling of choking, no SI. So I stopped. About an hour later I tried it again, this time held the bag until I lost consciousness. Wasted a bit of N2 since the tubing was loose after I dropped the bag, but not a considerable amount. I don't feel it would be possible to turn off the cylinder at the right time to continue to test (or ctb) without the N2 flowing as it happens too quickly.

I'm sure there's other ways to do it, but that's what I've pieced together for myself.

Based on these experiences, I am convinced this is how I will go.

thank you, this is very informative and very helpful

 

[limeoctave]

Within this thread, I've seen alot of posters talking about " the blackout test". Is there a thread on this? Is there a particular procedure ? What exactly is this .

i didn't seem to see the thread about this. it's just test with inert gas to lose consciousness and not ctb, as i understand

you can do it with a SCUBA setup, or with a Mylar Balloon, as said in this message, don't know about SCBA

here are some messages about the blackout test from my bookmarks, maybe there is more information about it that can be found using the search function

Exit bag and inert gas megathread

You might be intrested in liquid nitrogen. It's what the Sacro uses (more details on the PPH) I wish it was readily accessible for me. I looked around for a while, but apparently you can't easily buy liquid nitrogen as a private person in my country. I don't know whether it's because of...

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It's so weird, even when I did it very tight with the drawstring. I mean I'm not gonna do the gas method anymore because can't afford it rn but I don't mind sharing my experience. It seems people are succeeding with SN I know your team sn now but bag is my backup plan so I'm still inclined to...

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[outrider567]

I did once. It felt like fainting, getting a little dizzy between breaths, then going black. No discomfort or SI during this process (detailed below). I didn't have a timer going, so I'm not sure exactly how long it was, but I had a TV show going in the background and it was very similar to when you're watching TV while really tired, and just miss a little bit of the show when you blink but not enough to completely lose track of what's going on - so I imagine it was only a few seconds.

Afterwards, I had a little discomfort in my chest, tighness, but no worse than I've had after a workout or hyperventilating. This went away after about an hour, and today (after sleeping) I feel completely fine. The lowest reading I remember seeing on the oximeter was 46, but it's a cheapy Amazonian one and lags quite a bit, and I'm not sure how accurate it is. The oximeter was literally just there to ensure the N2 was working as expected the first couple of times, and I probably won't wear it going forward.

I will probably do it again today, and will try and record it on my phone so I have a better idea of how long, and if there's any weirdness.


The test I did, based on how I understand all of this to work, was:
- Set up the N2 as detailed in this thread, 20lpm, tubing, etc
- Hold an empty oven bag around the end of the tube and turn on the cylinder
- Wait until the bag is almost full
- Deep exhale (no hyperventilating)
- Hold bag opening over my face (N2 tube is still in the bag, held against my cheek), inhale deeply
- Continue to breathe into the bag, letting it a little loose on exhale to ensure gas is purging
- Start feeling dizzy/wobbly, can't hold the bag properly
- Once the bag falls, normal breathing recovers

So, the first time I just did this until I felt dizzy, watched the oximeter show me that it's clearly working, no feeling of choking, no SI. So I stopped. About an hour later I tried it again, this time held the bag until I lost consciousness. Wasted a bit of N2 since the tubing was loose after I dropped the bag, but not a considerable amount. I don't feel it would be possible to turn off the cylinder at the right time to continue to test (or ctb) without the N2 flowing as it happens too quickly.

I'm sure there's other ways to do it, but that's what I've pieced together for myself.

Based on these experiences, I am convinced this is how I will go.

The oximeter read 46 and you were still inhaling Nitrogen?? The lag effect means your O2 was actually below 25, which results in unconciousness---The lag effect is why I took my hood off at 78, it then dropped to 40--Anyway, it certainly seems your Nitrogen is pure enough to CTB with

Personally it just felt like I drifted to sleep while tired, watching the show. It didn't feel "dreamy" or anything, but it didn't feel abnormally blank either. I'll have to try it again later today (people are in the house until late) and take more detailed notes. Sorry if this isn't really helpful.

So it felt like just drifting off to sleep, which is good, and that's why I chose Nitrogen as my method

 

[JyeGuru]

The oximeter read 46 and you were still inhaling Nitrogen?? The lag effect means your O2 was actually below 25, which results in unconciousness---The lag effect is why I took my hood off at 78, it then dropped to 40--Anyway, it certainly seems your Nitrogen is pure enough to CTB with

I assume the oximeter either isn't super accurate, or my memory is faulty. Could be either honestly, given the circumstances. I am looking at running another test in the morning when my housemate is at work, since I don't want to run the risk of getting the kit out when they're around.

 

[kudaphillips]

I assume the oximeter either isn't super accurate, or my memory is faulty. Could be either honestly, given the circumstances. I am looking at running another test in the morning when my housemate is at work, since I don't want to run the risk of getting the kit out when they're around.

Sounds good, looking forward to it

 

[limeoctave]

I assume the oximeter either isn't super accurate, or my memory is faulty. Could be either honestly, given the circumstances. I am looking at running another test in the morning when my housemate is at work, since I don't want to run the risk of getting the kit out when they're around.

it should also be noted that finger oximeters are not as accurate as a blood test, and that the accuracy of the oximeter decreases as the saturation decreases

 

[JyeGuru]

it should also be noted that finger oximeters are not as accurate as a blood test, and that the accuracy of the oximeter decreases as the saturation decreases

So I just tested more today and recorded it so I could watch it back and see. I also hooked up the proper tubing to the test bag (since the things arrived today). Without the weight of the chunky welding hose in the bag it was much easier to hold. Unfortunately, watching back, it doesn't seem like I actually passed out in either of the tests I did today.

First test I was sitting up holding the bag against my mouth, deep breathing in through my mouth and out through my nose, 20lpm enough to keep the bag reinflated between deep breaths. Oddly, deep breathing seemed to make the process take longer than the test the other day. I did feel much more dizzy after a few breaths than I did the first time, and felt like I was about to lose consciousness, but never quite managed it. Oximeter seemed to hover in the 50s/60s. I assume it was just that I was getting "air leaks" when breathing.

So, second test, I was reclining in bed - didn't want to lie down completely as there's a risk the bag would end up falling onto my face and causing suffocation and distress. This time I did similar to my original test - bag held over both nose and mouth, with a loose bit under my chin to allow purging. Exhale, bag, inhale, then attempting to breathe normally through the bag - definitely felt faster, and I would swear I blacked out, but watching the video back it seems like it was only for a second, if at all. It just looked like I slumped over, dropped the bag, and then sat up. It's very difficult to record the oximeter, and I now regret not getting one of those bluetooth ones that have an app. Lowest reading I can clearly see on the video is 58 which isn't helpful.

I am convinced that the N2 is pure enough, the method is sound, and the process seems like it's going to work. I've got at least 5 hours before someone will expect me somewhere, so I'm going to test with an actual exit bag now - just put the elastic under my nose, so I should be able to recover easily. I've set up my scheduled messages just in case something goes wrong (right?) and will include a timed reply to this thread if I can. Hopefully I'll be back to cancel it shortly, but if not, now is as good a time as any.

 

[kudaphillips]

So I just tested more today and recorded it so I could watch it back and see. I also hooked up the proper tubing to the test bag (since the things arrived today). Without the weight of the chunky welding hose in the bag it was much easier to hold. Unfortunately, watching back, it doesn't seem like I actually passed out in either of the tests I did today.

First test I was sitting up holding the bag against my mouth, deep breathing in through my mouth and out through my nose, 20lpm enough to keep the bag reinflated between deep breaths. Oddly, deep breathing seemed to make the process take longer than the test the other day. I did feel much more dizzy after a few breaths than I did the first time, and felt like I was about to lose consciousness, but never quite managed it. Oximeter seemed to hover in the 50s/60s. I assume it was just that I was getting "air leaks" when breathing.

So, second test, I was reclining in bed - didn't want to lie down completely as there's a risk the bag would end up falling onto my face and causing suffocation and distress. This time I did similar to my original test - bag held over both nose and mouth, with a loose bit under my chin to allow purging. Exhale, bag, inhale, then attempting to breathe normally through the bag - definitely felt faster, and I would swear I blacked out, but watching the video back it seems like it was only for a second, if at all. It just looked like I slumped over, dropped the bag, and then sat up. It's very difficult to record the oximeter, and I now regret not getting one of those bluetooth ones that have an app. Lowest reading I can clearly see on the video is 58 which isn't helpful.

I am convinced that the N2 is pure enough, the method is sound, and the process seems like it's going to work. I've got at least 5 hours before someone will expect me somewhere, so I'm going to test with an actual exit bag now - just put the elastic under my nose, so I should be able to recover easily. I've set up my scheduled messages just in case something goes wrong (right?) and will include a timed reply to this thread if I can. Hopefully I'll be back to cancel it shortly, but if not, now is as good a time as any.

Thanks for update . Keep us in the loop I wonder if you just put tube directly in mouth ? I guess you'd def black out but I guess the point is to test your bag….or is it just to test what blacking out is like ?

 

[JyeGuru]

Ok, so that worked as anticipated, much easier than holding the bag, however, I definitely had a slight feeling of suffocation and shortness of breath when regaining consciousness - not enough to panic, but I imagine it would be worse if it was a fully failed acual attempt. I also have the slight discomfort in my chest that I got the other day after testing, but I'm not sure if that's related to the CO2 or N2 or just the amount of heavy breathing I've done today.

Timed messages cancelled, time to have a shower, put the "I'm not suicidal" mask back on, and deal with another day.

Thanks for update . Keep us in the loop I wonder if you just put tube directly in mouth ? I guess you'd def black out but I guess the point is to test your bag….or is it just to test what blacking out is like ?

It's kinda both, because I'm the kind of person that wants to know every detail about everything. I am also trying to see if I experience SI as it gets riskier, which is something I don't really understand well. Also testing my tolerances.

Funnily enough, I think I have now experienced involuntary unconsciousness from N2 more than I have from natural instances or pharmaceuticals. My metabolism sucks, in that I have a high tolerance to caffeine, alcohol, and various pharma I've tried both recreationally and prescribed. That's why this method is so appealing, because I don't think it's possible to really have a "tolerance to low atmosphere" or something to the point where it wouldn't work. Previous failed attempts have all been a result of my fucked body, so I'm trying to remove that from the equation.

 

[kudaphillips]

Ok, so that worked as anticipated, much easier than holding the bag, however, I definitely had a slight feeling of suffocation and shortness of breath when regaining consciousness - not enough to panic, but I imagine it would be worse if it was a fully failed acual attempt. I also have the slight discomfort in my chest that I got the other day after testing, but I'm not sure if that's related to the CO2 or N2 or just the amount of heavy breathing I've done today.

Timed messages cancelled, time to have a shower, put the "I'm not suicidal" mask back on, and deal with another day.


It's kinda both, because I'm the kind of person that wants to know every detail about everything. I am also trying to see if I experience SI as it gets riskier, which is something I don't really understand well. Also testing my tolerances.

Funnily enough, I think I have now experienced involuntary unconsciousness from N2 more than I have from natural instances or pharmaceuticals. My metabolism sucks, in that I have a high tolerance to caffeine, alcohol, and various pharma I've tried both recreationally and prescribed. That's why this method is so appealing, because I don't think it's possible to really have a "tolerance to low atmosphere" or something to the point where it wouldn't work. Previous failed attempts have all been a result of my fucked body, so I'm trying to remove that from the equation

Any Info on how l9ng it took and how long you were out etc ? You had air hunger , but did you hyperventilate?
Yes I don't understand sI either. It's my only thing holding me back . I basically have every method as an option, but cant pull the trigger. ( literally )

 

[JyeGuru]

Any Info on how l9ng it took and how long you were out etc ? You had air hunger , but did you hyperventilate?
Yes I don't understand sI either. It's my only thing holding me back . I basically have every method as an option, but cant pull the trigger. ( literally )

I didn't record it, because I didn't want that to be on my phone if it went too far. It felt that it was only a couple of seconds, the same song was playing so it wasn't long at all. Took only a few breaths. I did not hyperventilate beforehand, so it may have been that.

I don't get SI as in I don't feel I have it, unless it's not as overwhelming as it is often described? I don't have access to firearms, so I can't tell if that would be different. But I have often considered just stepping over balcony railings and things - the resistance is more the lack of certainty it would work, than any feeling of self preservation.

 

[JyeGuru]

Actual attempt today. Timed messages set (including this one). Hoping for peace. <3 Love you all.

 

[EternalSkies]

Tried breathing nitrogen from plastic bag twice now. Second attempt it took a few minutes for it to fill up and me to breathe properly into the bag only. o2 levels went from 99% to 75% in 20 seconds. I stopped then as I was feeling a bit strange and needed to check gas flow etc. 15 minute later my o2 levels are only 89% still
Gonna try again, but need to recover I think?

 

[kudaphillips]

Tried breathing nitrogen from plastic bag twice now. Second attempt it took a few minutes for it to fill up and me to breathe properly into the bag only. o2 levels went from 99% to 75% in 20 seconds. I stopped then as I was feeling a bit strange and needed to check gas flow etc. 15 minute later my o2 levels are only 89% still
Gonna try again, but need to recover I think?

I don't think you can do this without mixing in ambient air on your inhales . Unless the bag is completely over for face. Jyeguru^ tried testing the same way and didn't work, then said put in over nose and worked . Have you tested your nitrogen percentage ? If it's 99% you should lose consciousness , if you don't, something's wrong , air is getting in .

Also, recover? Do you feel bad after the test ?

 

[EternalSkies]

Tried again almost the same result. No I can't test the nitrogen would have to buy and expensive measurer
I felt lightheaded and oxygen levels stay low for 10-30 min after

Maybe I should try with it completely on?

 

[kudaphillips]

Tried again almost the same result. No I can't test the nitrogen would have to buy and expensive measurer
I felt lightheaded and oxygen levels stay low for 10-30 min after

Maybe I should try with it completely on?

Maybe just inhale from the tube directly in your mouth so you don't still have bag on when you pass out if you're just trying to test the purity of the nitrogen .
Or if you can have it on your head someway to wear it will come off when you pass out .

Or if you're trying to ctb right now , maybe try the procedure correctly , and if you're not passed out In a minute , abort

 

[EternalSkies]

I want to try fainting before I actually attempt
I'll see what I can do

 

[kudaphillips]

I want to try fainting before I actually attempt
I'll see what I can do

Cy-12c isn't that expensive . Maybe 35$ on alibaba

Maybe try just breathing from the tube directly . Exhale through nose, inhale through mouth . If you don't pass out from that in a minute something's off

 

[EternalSkies]

Hmm only worried that 15lpm direct breathing could be too much to breathe

 

[kudaphillips]

Hmm only worried that 15lpm direct breathing could be too much to breathe

Definitely, do a lower lpm maybe 5-8

 

[limeoctave]

I want to try fainting before I actually attempt
I'll see what I can do

maybe you can try to inhale from a mylar balloon, as mentioned in this message

and ofc you have to close your nose while inhaling

 

[annasharon]

maybe you can try to inhale from a mylar balloon, as mentioned in this message

and ofc you have to close your nose while inhaling

Does anyone have the latest edition of the peaceful pill handbook? I want to view the pages on where to get Nembutal but I only have 2017 edition…

 

[EternalSkies]

maybe you can try to inhale from a mylar balloon, as mentioned in this message

and ofc you have to close your nose while inhaling

Oh thanks might try, but would take time getting it

 

[limeoctave]

Does anyone have the latest edition of the peaceful pill handbook? I want to view the pages on where to get Nembutal but I only have 2017 edition…

maybe there's something here

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[annasharon]

maybe there's something here

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Thank you

 

[kudaphillips]

Thank you

I mean I could send pics of 2022 pph but there's really nothing there , nothing that would help you attain it.

 

[limeoctave]

Thank you

if you won't find it there, then pm me

 

[kudaphillips]

Wanted to comment on something I found when testing exit bag on dummy head at 15 lpm .

When the bag appeared fully inflated ( even after scrunching all the air out of the bag before starting the gas ) the o2 percentage still read around 2%

I recommend letting gas flow for an extra minute or two after bag appears inflated . It slowly dropped down to 1%.. then < 1%

 

[k1w1]

I got eebd hood in like less than a week from china, pretty amazing . Here's the setup. Tbh..I don't like it , the purge valve works if it snug it up against my face in 5 perfect spot, but if I move a little bit, my exhales purge through the sides of the orinasal mask.
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Yup, theyre crap really. The inner mask would indeed work if it was made of soft, malleable silicon instead of that hard rubber. For my test I covered the side valves with tape and upped nitrogen to 25 lires. I have not the inyerest to buy a draeger but new masks are coming on the market with silicone inners. Given the low price of these , maybe rationalise itv as a step along the way. Has anyone put the mask on, and gassed up until symptoms began?