Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[limeoctave]

Yes, whatever we call it, it appears to be a reflex action that is likely ro happen even if under the influence of enough intoxicants to put me out initially. This doing away with oneself in a relatively painless and less traumatic for loved ones is a major chore! Thanks for the response.

maybe @Kapsyl can share his thoughts on this as well

 

[krokilo]

There are no failures with Nitrogen if done with an EEBD Hood--I just did a retest with my pulse Oximeter, and my O2 level plummeted from 97 to 40 after just 6 breaths(ten second delay)--If I had taken a few more breaths, i wouldn't be here anymore

30 seconds or less I think

Can you please tell what CO meter do you use? Here on in privat messages, thank you

 

[Kapsyl]

Extremely helpful! I am/was considering a method that wouldn't purge CO2 from the bag and if I'm readinf corrwctly, it appears that my SI would be triggered involuntarily even if asleep or unconscious, correct?

What kind of method are you considering which doesn't purge the co2, just a bag?

The unconsciousness from inert hypoxia is a result of to little oxygen to support cognitive functions and basically shuts down to save resources. If there are any involuntary reflexes they would be quite basic and easily stopped with some tie downs on the hands.

But with a high co2 level the body respond much more drastically since it's highly aware of the immediate danger it's under. Even if you would last so long that your the brink of unconsciousness, it's quite possible the last cognitive thought would be to rip of the bag/hood whatever to survive. You can't trust the body to reason when the survival instincts kicks in and takes over rational thoughts.

That's the real benefit of inert gas, your body doesn't know only your mind.

 

[kudaphillips]

There are no failures with Nitrogen if done with an EEBD Hood--I just did a retest with my pulse Oximeter, and my O2 level plummeted from 97 to 40 after just 6 breaths(ten second delay)--If I had taken a few more breaths, i wouldn't be here anymore

30 seconds or less I think

Is there a thread for the eebd method? Is it in the PPH? I have 2022 edition. Also, why are there no failures with it? Because 8t doesn't get pulled off as easily ?

 

[outrider567]

Can you please tell what CO meter do you use? Here on in privat messages, thank you

Its just a cheap pulse oximeter, they're all the same, about 30 bucks

Is there a thread for the eebd method? Is it in the PPH? I have 2022 edition. Also, why are there no failures with it? Because 8t doesn't get pulled off as easily ?

Yes, its on the neck pretty tight--EEBD Hood method is mentioned extensively in the Inert Gas Mega Thread, pages 40 to 60 I think--Greenberg was high on it

 

[sufferingsensless]

Okay only issue is I just see tanks for 10-50 liters online in Europe( Germany/austria)

 

[limeoctave]

Is there a thread for the eebd method? Is it in the PPH? I have 2022 edition. Also, why are there no failures with it? Because 8t doesn't get pulled off as easily ?

there's information about the EEBD method in these threads

Nitrogen gas with EEBD hood Guide (Inert gas Method)

NITROGEN GAS WITH EEBD HOOD (INERT GAS METHOD) before I start this guide, let’s be honest this method is expensive (approximately 600 to 800 dollars)and you need minimum 1 -2 months to source the equipments and nitrogen gas cylinder. My tip for you to do it cheap, purchase the Chinese products...

sanctioned-suicide.net

EEBD hood setup for dummies (like me)

EEBD Hood Setup I have an Emergency Escape Breathing Device (EEBD ) hood with inert gas setup. My one looks like this: Here's another pic example. Some people lately were asking questions about the hood setup, and how to attach it to a cylinder, etc. I'm doing this thread so that I can easily...

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[outrider567]

i also heard about cases, when people pulled of their bags, when being unconscious, but I'm not sure, please correct me if I'm wrong

That would be difficult to do with an EEBD Hood

 

[limeoctave]

That would be difficult to do with an EEBD Hood

yes, and if you strap yourself and arms to chair

 

[kudaphillips]

Scanning through the eebd method, it just seems like added complexity , hose extension clamps, crimping correctly , china sourced material . Higher chance of Leaks , having to do all that crimping, Teflon tape …. I dunno…. . Yes you can soap test it but leak can develop in the process . Those turkey bags are freaking durable , and won't leak, leaving only vector for a leak potential wih exit bag method at the regulator . But I understand eebd elimates cO2 that can cause problems … tough decision .

 

[kudaphillips]

can someone provide a source for a toggle that will fit the recommended size stretch chord? I have very small chord 10 mm, but want to use the recommended 1/2 inch . I've scoured every local,store and the internet for about a year now, and I absolutely cannot find a toggle that fits th larger chord .

Thanks

 

[silas0]

What do you think the immediate experience would be after unconsciousness?
Since brain neurons have no nerve do you think any pain would be perceived immediately after unconsciousness?
Any thoughts are appreciated

 

[Kapsyl]

can someone provide a source for a toggle that will fit the recommended size stretch chord? I have very small chord 10 mm, but want to use the recommended 1/2 inch . I've scoured every local,store and the internet for about a year now, and I absolutely cannot find a toggle that fits th larger chord .

Thanks

Aren't 1/2 inch roughly 12mm? 10 mm is pretty close. I found one model which accommodate a 1/2 inch cord but only one, unless you combine the two toggles or tie the elastic into a hanging knot one is not enough.

Another solution is using a flat elastic instead, like a 1 inch elastic band. Then there are countless of options to secure and adjust the strap! Including the use of a side release buckle, making aborting a breeze for the suicidal with doubts.

I found some fashionable elastic band with flames, but that's optional.

What do you think the immediate experience would be after unconsciousness?
Since brain neurons have no nerve do you think any pain would be perceived immediately after unconsciousness?
Any thoughts are appreciated

When the body is experiencing cerebral hypoxia and loses unconsciousness, it does so because the oxygen level is too low to support it. This is not the same as being asleep as you aren't responsive to stimuli.

So the question is really do you regain some form of cognitive functions while being unconscious, maybe manifesting as dreams? We all heard of the classic story of walking into the light when dying, maybe this is visual representation of not enough oxygen to even support the most basic of cognitive function.

I would look up cardiac arrest survival stories, preferably those who been "dead" for 5-10 min. These cases are similar enough as it also deprive the brain of vital oxygen, all through much more abruptly.

In my humble opinion I believe the sensation after unconsciousness if any would be spiritual and not painful. Dreams can experience faster than real life. I believe in this short window before and after unconsciousness these powerful images manifests, the classic light in the tunnel and seeing the loved ones for example. After entering the tunnel I don't believe there is more.

Death occurs 10-15 min later.

 

[kudaphillips]

Aren't 1/2 inch roughly 12mm? 10 mm is pretty close. I found one model which accommodate a 1/2 inch cord but only one, unless you combine the two toggles or tie the elastic into a hanging knot one is not enough.

Another solution is using a flat elastic instead, like a 1 inch elastic band. Then there are countless of options to secure and adjust the strap! Including the use of a side release buckle, making aborting a breeze for the suicidal with doubts.

I found some fashionable elastic band with flames, but that's optional.

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When the body is experiencing cerebral hypoxia and loses unconsciousness, it does so because the oxygen level is too low to support it. This is not the same as being asleep as you aren't responsive to stimuli.

So the question is really do you regain some form of cognitive functions while being unconscious, maybe manifesting as dreams? We all heard of the classic story of walking into the light when dying, maybe this is visual representation of not enough oxygen to even support the most basic of cognitive function.

I would look up cardiac arrest survival stories, preferably those who been "dead" for 5-10 min. These cases are similar enough as it also deprive the brain of vital oxygen, all through much more abruptly.

In my humble opinion I believe the sensation after unconsciousness if any would be spiritual and not painful. Dreams can experience faster than real life. I believe in this short window before and after unconsciousness these powerful images manifests, the classic light in the tunnel and seeing the loved ones for example. After entering the tunnel I don't believe there is more.

Death occurs 10-15 min later.

Ah ya, mine sdef not 10 mm then, maybe 3-4 mm

 

[silas0]

In my humble opinion I believe the sensation after unconsciousness if any would be spiritual and not painful. Dreams can experience faster than real life. I believe in this short window before and after unconsciousness these powerful images manifests, the classic light in the tunnel and seeing the loved ones for example. After entering the tunnel I don't believe there is more.

Death occurs 10-15 min later.

Much appreciated! The vast majority of those who had NDE's had somewhat a pleasant experience and that kind of confirms your theory.
Apparently through evolutionary process human body has learnt to create a pleasant/euphoric experience when brain is in serious trouble/stress.

 

[limeoctave]

just tried to inhale nitrogen from a balloon, no taste or smell, just a little headache after a while

@outrider567 did you have any headache after your tests?

 

[outrider567]

just tried to inhale nitrogen from a balloon, no taste or smell, just a little headache after a while

@outrider567 did you have any headache after your tests?

No, no headache

 

[kudaphillips]

Question

During the recommended process to successfully ctb with exit bag and nitrogen , it's recommended to hyperventilate, then exhale all air out of lungs , then take deepest breath possible ..

why would it not be recommended to exhale all the air out of your lungs , and THEN literally fight the urge to breathe for a while , maybe even as long as you can …THEN when desperate for air , pull bag down and take the deepest breath possible.

Seems to me your way more likely to quickly die, and quickly black out …

Am I missing something ?

 

[limeoctave]

Question

During the recommended process to successfully ctb with exit bag and nitrogen , it's recommended to hyperventilate, then exhale all air out of lungs , then take deepest breath possible ..

why would it not be recommended to exhale all the air out of your lungs , and THEN literally fight the urge to breathe for a while , maybe even as long as you can …THEN when desperate for air , pull bag down and take the deepest breath possible.

Seems to me your way more likely to quickly die, and quickly black out …

Am I missing something ?

quick guess — maybe it's not recommended because, when you hold your breath the amount of co2 will be increasing in your lungs (or in the blood idk)

and when you will be desperate for air you actually want to exhale co2 and not inhale smth, so i guess in that case anyway you will be needed to exhale first

 

[EternalSkies]

I saw a video of a pig breathing inert gas in a box. It fainted in 20-30 seconds without hyperventialing etc. It appears to have died in about 1 minute I think.

 

[limeoctave]

I saw a video of a pig breathing inert gas in a box. It fainted in 20-30 seconds without hyperventialing etc. It appears to have died in about 1 minute I think.

I'm sure that it's not possible to die within 1 minute from inert gas

 

[EternalSkies]

I have seen several state that it is. One being a scientist who worked with killing animals using argon etc

 

[limeoctave]

I have seen several state that it is. One being a scientist who worked with killing animals using argon etc

can you send them?
are you talking about animals or humans?

oh I'm sorry, i haven't seen 'pig', then in that case idk

 

[kudaphillips]

quick guess — maybe it's not recommended because, when you hold your breath the amount of co2 will be increasing in your lungs (or in the blood idk)

and when you will be desperate for air you want to exhale co2 and not inhale smth, so i guess in that case anyway you will be needed to exhale first

Air you breathe is converted to CO2 by inhaling and exhaling. To me it doesn't seem like cO2 would be build8ng if you aren't breathing, your out of air..this is why cO2 builds in the bag because you are breathing / exhaling in the bag But maybe your right and my science is way off I dunno

 

[limeoctave]

Air you breathe is converted to CO2 by inhaling and exhaling. To me it doesn't seem like cO2 would be build8ng if you aren't breathing, your out of air..this is why cO2 builds in the bag because you are breathing / exhaling in the bag But maybe your right and my science is way off I dunno

co2 would be building by metabolism in cells from left oxygen in your blood, i guess. there's always some small amount of oxygen in your blood

i guess @Kapsyl is already writing their well argumented answer

 

[Kapsyl]

I have seen several state that it is. One being a scientist who worked with killing animals using argon etc

Pigs are quite similar to humans strictly physically I'm quite sure their brains are able to survive longer than a minute without oxygen. But I don't doubt they becoming unconscious within a minute.

Air you breathe is converted to CO2 by inhaling and exhaling. To me it doesn't seem like cO2 would be build8ng if you aren't breathing, your out of air..this is why cO2 builds in the bag because you are breathing / exhaling in the bag But maybe your right and my science is way off I dunno

The urge to take a breath is co2 building up inside your bloodstream, the same co2 will be inside the bag which will be inhaled again if not purged somehow. The reason to hyperventilate is to use up the oxygen in your bloodstream which will be replenished by nitrogen when taking a deep breath inside of the bag. Basically speeding up the process to loose unconsciousness quicker and avoiding unpleasant co2 build up in the bag.

 

[EternalSkies]

Search for inert gas pig on youtube. An 8 year old video with someone in a helmet and labcoat
There was also a documentary on best way to die where a scientist mentioned death within a minute

 

[limeoctave]

Pigs are quite similar to humans strictly physically I'm quite sure their brains are able to survive longer than a minute without oxygen. But I don't doubt they becoming unconscious within a minute.



The urge to take a breath is co2 building up inside your bloodstream, the same co2 will be inside the bag which will be inhaled again if not purged somehow. The reason to hyperventilate is to use up the oxygen in your bloodstream which will be replenished by nitrogen when taking a deep breath inside of the bag. Basically speeding up the process to loose unconsciousness quicker and avoiding unpleasant co2 build up in the bag.

there's also another one side effect from hyperventilation:

During hyperventilation the rate of removal of carbon dioxide from the blood is increased. As the partial pressure of carbon dioxide in the blood decreases, respiratory alkalosis, characterised by decreased acidity or increased alkalinity of the blood, ensues. In turn, alkalosis causes constriction of the small blood vessels that supply the brain.

At the end of the 19th Century, carbon dioxide was found to influence the bond between oxygen and haemoglobin. If the levels of carbon dioxide in arterial blood are lower than normal, this leads to difficulties in releasing oxygen from haemoglobin. This is known as the Bohr Effect, first described by Christian Bohr in 1904.

i guess it's from PPH, my old screenshot, not sure about how correct it is

 

[outrider567]

Question

During the recommended process to successfully ctb with exit bag and nitrogen , it's recommended to hyperventilate, then exhale all air out of lungs , then take deepest breath possible ..

why would it not be recommended to exhale all the air out of your lungs , and THEN literally fight the urge to breathe for a while , maybe even as long as you can …THEN when desperate for air , pull bag down and take the deepest breath possible.

Seems to me your way more likely to quickly die, and quickly black out …

Am I missing something ?

I didn't hyperventilate, nor did I take deep breaths, and still my Oxygen plummeted from 98 to 40 in 30 seconds at 25 LPM, Nitrogen is more lethal and is more effective at ridding the body of Oxygen than most people realize

 

[kudaphillips]

I didn't hyperventilate, nor did I take deep breaths, and still my Oxygen plummeted from 98 to 40 in 30 seconds at 25 LPM, Nitrogen is more lethal and is more effective at ridding the body of Oxygen than most people realize

What about 15 lpm? I spent a lot on this max dog regulator now I'm seeing stuff about 20-25 lpm

I didn't hyperventilate, nor did I take deep breaths, and still my Oxygen plummeted from 98 to 40 in 30 seconds at 25 LPM, Nitrogen is more lethal and is more effective at ridding the body of Oxygen than most people realize

I'll just buy one, could this be right ? Only 22$??