nitrogen hypoxia

[Das Nichts]

Indeed--I always stop my tests well before I pass out, but its still risky

Well that was my plan as well but I underestimated it totally. I'm done with testing thou, i have all the confirmation I need.

 

[Tears_From_Nirvana]

Absolutely. I did a blackout test yesterday and there was no pain except when headbutted a cabinet
Be *very* careful if you test this, the nitrogen works very fast.

Hello! I am preparing/practicing with my own Nitrogen setup and would like to know more about your blackout test. In the times I've attempted, I've been able to pull the bag down over my head. I was able to breathe without any CO2 panic, but still felt a sense of fear (SI?) strong enough to take the bag off. The time elapsed from putting the bag on and off was about 15 seconds. How long did it take you to black out with your setup? Do you remember how many breaths it took, or if you did anything before to affect your breathing before putting the bag on (like hyperventilating) ? Did you experience any panic or any sense of SI? Trying to iron out my issues before trying again, any insight would be appreciated!!

 

[Vizzy]

Yeah I described improperly. It was flashing lights, green / red like a stroboscope. And it was hissing sounds but they matched the the rythm of the lights.

I woke up to this.

Was this painful or uncomfortable?

Hello! I am preparing/practicing with my own Nitrogen setup and would like to know more about your blackout test. In the times I've attempted, I've been able to pull the bag down over my head. I was able to breathe without any CO2 panic, but still felt a sense of fear (SI?) strong enough to take the bag off. The time elapsed from putting the bag on and off was about 15 seconds. How long did it take you to black out with your setup? Do you remember how many breaths it took, or if you did anything before to affect your breathing before putting the bag on (like hyperventilating) ? Did you experience any panic or any sense of SI? Trying to iron out my issues before trying again, any insight would be appreciated!!

You are practicing so you don't want to black out so obviously you are in fear to remove the bag and it is normal, yes that's si, anything your body do to come out of a death situation is si so when you do ctb for real just make sure your si don't kick in

No one is gonna say how long it took to blackout, no one took the practice to that level because once you blackout you can't come out of it which results in death, they are just testing with pulse oximeter so when the oxygen level go low they just stop, if you want to check how long it will take to blackout you need a friend nearby to stop

Most of them will panic when doing ctb and it is normal, you can take a drug to make you calm yourself like benzos!

 

[GasMonkey]

There is no need to do any blackout tests as long as you test the purity of the gas or buy the cylinder from an extremely reputable supplier that provides a certificate of purity.

If you want to do a blackout test you can use a SCUBA setup with a negative pressure demand valve (when you faint the mask will fall and air respiration will be restored) or fill a Mylar Balloon and inhale from it.​

 

[Tears_From_Nirvana]

Was this painful or uncomfortable?

You are practicing so you don't want to black out so obviously you are in fear to remove the bag and it is normal, yes that's si, anything your body do to come out of a death situation is si so when you do ctb for real just make sure your si don't kick in

No one is gonna say how long it took to blackout, no one took the practice to that level because once you blackout you can't come out of it which results in death, they are just testing with pulse oximeter so when the oxygen level go low they just stop, if you want to check how long it will take to blackout you need a friend nearby to stop

Most of them will panic when doing ctb and it is normal, you can take a drug to make you calm yourself like benzos!

Practicing is perhaps the wrong word, apologies. They were mostly full fledged attempts I aborted because of SI. I've also tried to test how quickly the gas would take effect on my body by filling the exit bag with gas, turning off the valve, and breathing from the full bag with no adherence to my face so it wouldn't be lethal. The results haven't been as comfortable as I have read or hoped, so I am wondering if perhaps my Nitrogen isn't pure or there is something wrong with my setup. I'm jealous of the people who seemed to have passed out in 3 breaths by accident. Of course, all bodies are different and react differently.

Das Nicht's blackout was interesting because it could provide some guidelines on how quickly the body should be reacting. I've heard and seen 15-30 seconds as the pass out sweet spot. I feel like I'm lightheaded and I certainly feel SOMETHING going on but the fading out is not as immediate as I hoped.

It may be just an SI thing, which is frustrating. I've heard alcohol can help. Benzos I must look into, thank you. What sucks is I had about 8 Percocet from an operation which I used up. The feeling of calmness was perfect and would have probably nipped my SI.

There is no need to do any blackout tests as long as you test the purity of the gas or buy the cylinder from an extremely reputable supplier that provides a certificate of purity.

If you want to do a blackout test you can use a SCUBA setup with a negative pressure demand valve (when you faint the mask will fall and air respiration will be restored) or fill a Mylar Balloon and inhale from it.​

I bought my 40 cu ft from a local welder's shop, so I do believe it's pure but maybe investing in some purity testing equipment would put my mind at ease. I've seen your setup btw, it is beautiful. I'd buy the gear for it myself but my goal is to CTB by the end of this quickly approaching month, so time may not allow that.

Why a Mylar material for the balloon?

 

[Vizzy]

Practicing is perhaps the wrong word, apologies. They were mostly full fledged attempts I aborted because of SI. I've also tried to test how quickly the gas would take effect on my body by filling the exit bag with gas, turning off the valve, and breathing from the full bag with no adherence to my face so it wouldn't be lethal. The results haven't been as comfortable as I have read or hoped, so I am wondering if perhaps my Nitrogen isn't pure or there is something wrong with my setup. I'm jealous of the people who seemed to have passed out in 3 breaths by accident. Of course, all bodies are different and react differently.

Das Nicht's blackout was interesting because it could provide some guidelines on how quickly the body should be reacting. I've heard and seen 15-30 seconds as the pass out sweet spot. I feel like I'm lightheaded and I certainly feel SOMETHING going on but the fading out is not as immediate as I hoped.

It may be just an SI thing, which is frustrating. I've heard alcohol can help. Benzos I must look into, thank you. What sucks is I had about 8 Percocet from an operation which I used up. The feeling of calmness was perfect and would have probably nipped my SI.

I bought my 40 cu ft from a local welder's shop, so I do believe it's pure but maybe investing in some purity testing equipment would put my mind at ease. I've seen your setup btw, it is beautiful. I'd buy the gear for it myself but my goal is to CTB by the end of this quickly approaching month, so time may not allow that.

Why a Mylar material for the balloon?

Test using a pulse oximeter, you can check your oxygen level

As you said blackout differs from person to person, did you try hyperventilating before putting bag on your head and did you take deep breaths because to blackout quickly you should get the technique right, read the ppeh book which says how to do it

Das Nicht is not using exit bag as far as I know

The results haven't been as comfortable as I have read or hoped, so I am wondering if perhaps my Nitrogen isn't pure or there is something wrong with my setup.

What you mean by the results are not comfortable, can you explain that more, do you feel like coughing or some kind of pain?

 

[Tears_From_Nirvana]

Test using a pulse oximeter, you can check your oxygen level

As you said blackout differs from person to person, did you try hyperventilating before putting bag on your head and did you take deep breaths because to blackout quickly you should get the technique right, read the ppeh book which says how to do it

Das Nicht is not using exit bag as far as I know


What you mean by the results are not comfortable, can you explain that more, do you feel like coughing or some kind of pain?

Oooh, I will definitely look into the oximeter. That with the gas purity test equipment would help my confidence.

My latest attempts I did try hyperventilating, and the effects seemed amass faster. I panicked from SI and pulled the bag off before I could go under. I'll reread the book section again. I also make sure I'm in a sitting up position, and I have my hair tied in a knot so it doesn't interfere with the bag.

Of course, by uncomfortable I mean the sensation of panic from SI. I was imagining it would be as quick as being put under for a tooth removal but it's a lot more nerve wracking when it's just you alone, no medical professionals, and hearing the hiss of gas into the bag. I might try earbuds to calm myself.

I consider myself a sensitive person so I fear as with most things I am being dramatic. The sensations I feel in order of experience time: I become nervous at the hiss of the gas. The air in the bag smells differently than the room I'm in, it smells from how its been in a cannister for awhile, kind of industrial? I don't like the feeling of the bag over my head either. But it's actually nicely cool in there too, which I think is the steady flow of gas flushing the warm CO2 as its designed to. I breathe deeply from the air and I'm nervous with SI. My lungs don't burn or anything, that's really great. And I'm breathing deeply, big gulps of air and I am gradually feeling less solidly awake. But I do start to feel a sort of, like someone is squeezing my head and mind into one tiny point? And it gets harder to think "rationally", and I start thinking -omg this bag is scary- and I end up taking it off soon after. Arrgh!!

At least I can make fun of myself and laugh about it- I think I really just need a way to calm tf down. I could see about getting more percs or trying benzos for that

 

[Das Nichts]

Was this painful or uncomfortable?

Not at all.

Hello! I am preparing/practicing with my own Nitrogen setup and would like to know more about your blackout test. In the times I've attempted, I've been able to pull the bag down over my head. I was able to breathe without any CO2 panic, but still felt a sense of fear (SI?) strong enough to take the bag off. The time elapsed from putting the bag on and off was about 15 seconds. How long did it take you to black out with your setup? Do you remember how many breaths it took, or if you did anything before to affect your breathing before putting the bag on (like hyperventilating) ? Did you experience any panic or any sense of SI? Trying to iron out my issues before trying again, any insight would be appreciated!!

Checkout this post for details:

Argon not reliable for exit bag?

It's so weird, even when I did it very tight with the drawstring. I mean I'm not gonna do the gas method anymore because can't afford it rn but I don't mind sharing my experience. It seems people are succeeding with SN I know your team sn now but bag is my backup plan so I'm still inclined to...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Was your bag lnflated with gas or did you do a dry run ?

 

[Tears_From_Nirvana]

Not at all.

Checkout this post for details:

Argon not reliable for exit bag?

It's so weird, even when I did it very tight with the drawstring. I mean I'm not gonna do the gas method anymore because can't afford it rn but I don't mind sharing my experience. It seems people are succeeding with SN I know your team sn now but bag is my backup plan so I'm still inclined to...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Was your bag lnflated with gas or did you do a dry run ?

Oh thank you! Your experience with the sounds and lights reminds me of a very old attempt from highschool, I attempted to make a janky exit bag by using a can of computer cleaner / duster as my gas — was horrifying, passed out for a minute and woke up after I fell out of my bed and smacked my head on the nightstand. That dislodged the bag. I could hear myself screaming and falling into a whirl of spiraling colors. I would not recommend. I may have cried for an hour afterwards. Maybe this is why I have such apprehension with this method, lol

I let it fill with gas before I slipped it on. Reading the new 2022 PPEH I think what I did wrong is not combining everything together in one attempt- the hyperventilation, the full expelling of air before putting the bag on and then breathing in fully when putting it on, and SI reducers like earplugs and benzos/booze/percs.

I'm wondering if I can circumvent the fear of the bag by not pulling it over my head but taping the bag's opening to my nose and mouth, not so much that it makes a seal but enough that it would adhere to the face and allow excess gas to escape…

 

[GasMonkey]

Why a Mylar material for the balloon?

Normal balloons are too uncomfortable to use, they force the gas out when you try to inhale from them.

 

[Vizzy]

I'm wondering if I can circumvent the fear of the bag by not pulling it over my head but taping the bag's opening to my nose and mouth, not so much that it makes a seal but enough that it would adhere to the face and allow excess gas to escape…

Don't make it complicated, if you tap it how co2 will leave the bag, trapping the co2 will make you suffocate

Normal balloons are too uncomfortable to use, they force the gas out when you try to inhale from them.

I got two cylinder options, which one to buy

One is saying 99.95 percent nitrogen purity but he is shady af

Another one is reputed with 99.6 percent purity

 

[anonaon]

One is saying 99.95 percent nitrogen purity but he is shady af

Another one is reputed with 99.6 percent purity

Both will work fine. Higher purity expedites loss of consciousness & time taken to CTB but any atmosphere with <6% oxygen is fatal

 

[Das Nichts]

Oh thank you! Your experience with the sounds and lights reminds me of a very old attempt from highschool, I attempted to make a janky exit bag by using a can of computer cleaner / duster as my gas — was horrifying, passed out for a minute and woke up after I fell out of my bed and smacked my head on the nightstand. That dislodged the bag. I could hear myself screaming and falling into a whirl of spiraling colors. I would not recommend. I may have cried for an hour afterwards. Maybe this is why I have such apprehension with this method, lol

If you uncomfortable with the bag maybe it would be best to pursue an alternate method ?

the hyperventilation, the full expelling of air before putting the bag on

This will only make loose consciousness faster.

and SI reducers like earplugs and benzos/booze/percs.

This could help indeed, but I would not overdo this because you still need to fit enough to follow the sequence described in pph.

One is saying 99.95 percent nitrogen purity but he is shady af

Shady in what sense ?

 

[Vizzy]

If you uncomfortable with the bag maybe it would be best to pursue an alternate method ?


This will only make loose consciousness faster.


This could help indeed, but I would not overdo this because you still need to fit enough to follow the sequence described in pph.

Shady in what sense ?

He gets angry, whenever I ask too many questions

He doesn't have physical address and everything is online

Before he said things which are inaccurate and I corrected him then he say yes i am right

 

[Das Nichts]

He gets angry, whenever I ask too many questions
He doesn't have physical address and everything is online
Before he said things which are inaccurate and I corrected him then he say yes i am right

Then id probably go with the other one. Purity is fine in both cases.

 

[Vizzy]

Then id probably go with the other one. Purity is fine in both cases.

Yes I am gonna go with 99.6 purity

 

[outrider567]

Oooh, I will definitely look into the oximeter. That with the gas purity test equipment would help my confidence.

My latest attempts I did try hyperventilating, and the effects seemed amass faster. I panicked from SI and pulled the bag off before I could go under. I'll reread the book section again. I also make sure I'm in a sitting up position, and I have my hair tied in a knot so it doesn't interfere with the bag.

Of course, by uncomfortable I mean the sensation of panic from SI. I was imagining it would be as quick as being put under for a tooth removal but it's a lot more nerve wracking when it's just you alone, no medical professionals, and hearing the hiss of gas into the bag. I might try earbuds to calm myself.

I consider myself a sensitive person so I fear as with most things I am being dramatic. The sensations I feel in order of experience time: I become nervous at the hiss of the gas. The air in the bag smells differently than the room I'm in, it smells from how its been in a cannister for awhile, kind of industrial? I don't like the feeling of the bag over my head either. But it's actually nicely cool in there too, which I think is the steady flow of gas flushing the warm CO2 as its designed to. I breathe deeply from the air and I'm nervous with SI. My lungs don't burn or anything, that's really great. And I'm breathing deeply, big gulps of air and I am gradually feeling less solidly awake. But I do start to feel a sort of, like someone is squeezing my head and mind into one tiny point? And it gets harder to think "rationally", and I start thinking -omg this bag is scary- and I end up taking it off soon after. Arrgh!!

At least I can make fun of myself and laugh about it- I think I really just need a way to calm tf down. I could see about getting more percs or trying benzos for that

The air in the bag shouldn't smell any different--Nitrogen is odorless--Use earplugs if the gas hiss bothers you--Are you using 15 LPM or 25 LPM?

 

[ThisIsLife]

The air in the bag shouldn't smell any different--Nitrogen is odorless--Use earplugs if the gas hiss bothers you--Are you using 15 LPM or 25 LPM?

I was about to comment on that. N2 is not supposed to smell @Tears_From_Nirvana

 

[Tears_From_Nirvana]

I was about to comment on that. N2 is not supposed to smell @Tears_From_Nirvana

Yeah, it may actually be a smell from inside the bag, from the tubing I've used, or the cannister metal itself. But I think checking the gas purity and getting the oximeter is in my best interest right now, just to make sure everything is gtg when I work up the balls to ctb

The air in the bag shouldn't smell any different--Nitrogen is odorless--Use earplugs if the gas hiss bothers you--Are you using 15 LPM or 25 LPM?

I have been using 20 LPM, the regulator is a TigMaster model with a ball in a glass case that floats when the air goes through it

 

[Hurts too bad]

Read inert gas chapter on the PPeH & PPH Essentials, check the Inert gas megathread and the Inert gas setups gallery.

What is PPeH and PPH?

 

[GasMonkey]

Peaceful Pill eHandbook & Peaceful Pill Handbook.

 

[BeBraveBrother]

There have been numerous reports, that the first seconds and passing out don't seem to be painful or necessarily horrific. Nevertheless I keep asking myself, what happens AFTER I have passed out, and not just within the first minute. And I don't mean "what happens on a biological level", but what will I EXPERIENCE until the whole brain is death??! I think this question stays rather unanswered. As serious braindamage will happen after the first minute, it's also not possible to try it out and tell. It remains a theroretical, conclusional discussion: The question how the biological response to oxygen deprivation, which is the immidiate starving of brain cells but SUCCESSIVE death of brain parts, will translate to what a human brain can or probably will experience.

????

 

[creativedan]

There is no need to do any blackout tests as long as you test the purity of the gas or buy the cylinder from an extremely reputable supplier that provides a certificate of purity.

If you want to do a blackout test you can use a SCUBA setup with a negative pressure demand valve (when you faint the mask will fall and air respiration will be restored) or fill a Mylar Balloon and inhale from it.​

This seems like good option to test, do I just hold the mask to my face and it will drop when I black out?