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hannila_m
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is it only me feeling so overwhelmed by making all preparations for this method?
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It can seem like that at first, but it's not that difficult when you get into it. First see if you can get a nitrogen cylinder where you live, preferably 10litres or larger. Once you know you can get the nitrogen (or argon or helium) then decide if you want to use an Exit bag, a hood, or SCUBA/SCBA gear.is it only me feeling so overwhelmed by making all preparations for this method?
I'm not arguing with you. What I am ... asking is how do you know your opinion is correct. I fully believe people push agendas and sometimes blatantly lie. However, I think a "scientific" / fact-based conclusion would bring many people peace of mind. Two opposite opinions, screaming equally as loud, without real support for either doesn't solve the question.Don't listen to anti-death penalty ill informed zealots, Nitrogen and EEBD Hood is totally painless, taking deep breaths of Nitrogen is just like taking deep breaths of air, then you peacefully pass out, see Vizzy's and Greenberg's posts in this thread
I think only the people who went through with it would be able to tell if it is peaceful, but for obvious reasons we can't ask them. A few pages ago I posted the only two studies were deaths with inert gas were observed, read the studies and maybe you can get a reassurance. You find the papers here.I'm not arguing with you. What I am ... asking is how do you know your opinion is correct. I fully believe people push agendas and sometimes blatantly lie. However, I think a "scientific" / fact-based conclusion would bring many people peace of mind. Two opposite opinions, screaming equally as loud, without real support for either doesn't solve the question.
Hose clamps are probably fine to use. Another poster previously linked a photo of hose clamps being used.:Hi, I am trying to extend my EEBD hose by connecting to another hose. I have got the extension tube on the barb.
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Can i just put a hose clamp over the barb as shown below, or do I need a ferrule like was mentioned in Vizzy's post?
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This is a ferrule below from Vizzy's post
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Yes, found it easiest to find vinyl tubing. what are some other alternatives?Hose clamps are probably fine to use. Another poster previously linked a photo of hose clamps being used.:
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On looking it up, it seems that hose ferrules are seen as a better alternative to hose clamps when dealing with high pressure connections. But your connection won't be high pressure, so the hose clamps should be fine.
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Are you just using oxygen/pvc tubing to go between the double hose barb and the regulator? Was that because it's easier/cheaper to find the oxygen tubing than another length of hose?
Out of interest, did you get your hood off one of the Chinese websites, like @Vizzy did?
Depends on the level of unconsciousness which in turn depends on how far hypoxia went. In a stupor right after fainting, regaining some partial consciousness is probably possible. In a hypoxic coma, you won't wake up no matter what.Do you think you can somehow wake someone up from severe hypoxia induced by this method?
my understanding is: you have a hose coming in the mask (intended to supply air from a tank). the others are one-way valves to expel your breath out of the mask. As such, I don't think you'd want to cover those valves - If you did, you're not expelling anything from the mask.REGARDS CHINESE HOODS (yellow EEBD type, my pics, Vizzy, those purchased ex-Canada)
Dear members. I should like some opinions and feedback from any of you that have done a test run & examination of this type of hood.
The images attached below show that the cloacal shaped (forgive me, I had to !) inner mask has, aswell as the gas inlet, three one way valves. Below the gas inlet is the major outlet valve which exits into the atmosphere....it is a large a well functioning valve. Flanking the gas inlet are two smaller valves which operate in the opposite direction, permitting air/gas in the hood to enter the inner mask.
During a test run this week, I found the following.
I donned the mask, unfilled with Nitrogen as being made of a fairly robust stitched plastic, it did not permit easy pre-filling as one would do with an exit bag. Having said that, I did not stick it on my crown and attempt to inflate first, rather I tightly bunched the lower flange of the hood until it became clear that this was a mug's game as it simply would not blow up.
The inner mask does fit snugly, although I am tempted to run an extra thick bead of melleable silicone around the nasal bridge area to effect a better seal.
I am considering temporarily blanking off the side valves as I cannot see their purpose given the nitrogen is delivered into the inner mask.
These are not expensive, also in that we are repurposing this product, possibly some adaption is required?
I also found that 40lpm gas delivery cooled down any air starvation.
We have lost some respected members recently, but I'm sure some of you will have welcome opinions. I particuarly would like to hear from those who have done test drives.
Best wishes K1W1
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I'm not from the UK, but did you try the sources mentioned in the PPH?:I've asked before but can someone inbox me a UK source for a nitrogen gas cylinder and regulator? A problem I have with the source I've got which delivers is the regulator only goes up to 10 Lpm, that's less than the recommended 15.
Hi, yeah I've looked at those, they don't deliver to where I live unfortunately. I just wondered if there was another source.I'm not from the UK, but did you try the sources mentioned in the PPH?:
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Did you try looking up a nitrogen click-style regulator? If you can't find a nitrogen regulator, just use an argon regulator with flowmeter. They seem easier to get. An argon one can be used with nitrogen. 15lpm on an argon flowmeter gives roughly 20 LPM nitrogen.
There used to be a couple of people from the UK on this site, not sure if they're still around. Not many people go with the inert gas method.Hi, yeah I've looked at those, they don't deliver to where I live unfortunately. I just wondered if there was another source.
There's an inert gas setups gallery where people posted their setups. I only came across one SCBA or SCUBA setup that used argon. A few used argon with the exit bag.I apologize if this is a dumb question, but if I'm using a heavier inert gas like Argon, is there a "best" headgear setup to use for it? I want to make sure I'm taking the least risks and can offset the CO2 and everything. (I would use Nitrogen, but I need something that can be delivered to my apartment.)
Yes, 40cu ft = 1133 litres. At 25 LPM that gives about 45 mins worth of argon(1133÷25).hey all
would this be enough Argon to CTB via EEBD hood?
People have gotten hoods off Chinese websites. Google EEBD hood spare parts. Or Google ELSA rescue hood.Also, i'm trying to find out where i can secure a single EEBD hood. it seems like all available options want me to purchase them in bulk? alternatively, if anyone could direct me to a reliable way to create an escape bag i'd greatly appreciate it
Here are the items I used. The elastic was wider than I was looking for, but that is all that was available at Joann's sewing store in my area. It was a little hard to thread it into the cord lock, but otherwise it worked well.
My PAPSTAR freezer bags 60 litres 90x50 cm, material is LLDPE, are a good alternative to Turkey Oven Bags, material PET, 60x55 cm. PAPSTAR is more rubust and comes with a 50 piece package.
There used to be a couple of people from the UK on this site, not sure if they're still around. Not many people go with the inert gas method.
This isn't Nitrogen. That's all I can say.Can I be brought on Amazon? The nitrogen tank is something like this sufficient
Depends what setup you are using:Can someone please help me with instructions on how to set up the industrial style tanks? Step by step?
Thank you! If I were to use the first one- but with a plastic bag and poly tubing- how would I put all the pieces together?Depends what setup you are using: