Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[TheFallen]

Could really use help in sourcing the stuff for this in the UK. If anyone in the UK has all the gear and wouldn't mind sharing I'd be extremely grateful. I'm housebound most the time due to illness so can this stuff be delivered etc?

 

[reborn87]

There used to be a couple of people from the UK on this site, not sure if they're still around. Not many people go with the inert gas method.

Can I be brought on Amazon? The nitrogen tank is something like this sufficient

 

[asian.neet]

Can I be brought on Amazon? The nitrogen tank is something like this sufficient

This isn't Nitrogen. That's all I can say.

I cant give recommendations because of what cops would do if people died.

 

[cherry7]

Can someone please help me with instructions on how to set up the industrial style tanks? Step by step?

 

[Tears in Rain]

Can someone please help me with instructions on how to set up the industrial style tanks? Step by step?

Depends what setup you are using:

Here's a simple overview of the main things needed for the inert gas 'headgear' methods:

 

[cherry7]

Depends what setup you are using:

Thank you! If I were to use the first one- but with a plastic bag and poly tubing- how would I put all the pieces together?

 

[cherry7]

Would something like this from amaz... work? The reviews say it only fills up about 15 balloons and the balloons don't last more than four or so hours. Would that be an issue?

 

[Kapsyl]

I looked up the manufacturer, it's made in Dubai and claims to have a 99% helium purity. Which is good if you're willing to trust those numbers, helium is expensive and manufacturer may cut cost, especially when it's not used for industrial use.

 

[sensenmann]

Would something like this from amaz... work? The reviews say it only fills up about 15 balloons and the balloons don't last more than four or so hours. Would that be an issue?View attachment 128483

They fill them mixed with air so people can't CTB with it, also it doesn't have enough volume.

 

[thot88]

Would something like this from amaz... work? The reviews say it only fills up about 15 balloons and the balloons don't last more than four or so hours. Would that be an issue?View attachment 128483

I am going to use 2 home helium packages. The website I order from says the content is 99% helium and not 80% helium and 20% air.

I buy the first smallest tank and measure the content with an oxygen meter.
If it is not what they promise, then I resort to the more expensive available option. To Argon...

 

[cherry7]

I am going to use 2 home helium packages. The website I order from says the content is 99% helium and not 80% helium and 20% air.

I buy the first smallest tank and measure the content with an oxygen meter.
If it is not what they promise, then I resort to the more expensive available option. To Argon...

What country are you buying from?

They fill them mixed with air so people can't CTB with it, also it doesn't have enough volume.

Thank you. The description says it's 99.98% pure and the last five acts book says only balloon time tanks are mixed with oxygen. That's what made me think this might be a feasible option. The industrial tanks intimidate me. Also finding a lot of empty tanks for sale without the gas in them.

 

[hannila_m]

Guys, could you possibly show me on amazon what kind of mask would you purchase for this? I'm completely lost

 

[thegoldengirls]

I'm going to leave home with a helium balloon tank. According to the seller, the content is 99% helium and not 80% helium and 20% air. I'm going to check the gas purity of the content with a meter. If the content is not suitable for this purpose, then argon

Hi, I purchased a helium tank and wanted to check the purity. How do I go about this? What type of device do I need?

 

[winterparty]

Do you immediately fall into a severe hypoxic coma with 1% oxygen or does that happen after a while during that 10-15 minutes?

 

[Kapsyl]

I'm looking for advice for a variation of the hood way but using a military grade gas mask which is connected to a nitrogen filled environment instead.

I propose using this gas mask



Connecting it by a hose such as this with the correct tread


Which is connected to a vessel, about 6 liter big


This airtight 6 liter container for medical use i intend to create a nitrogen filled environment which i will be breathing from. Since I don't want the container to blow up I intend to use one way ventilation valves so the positive pressure from the nitrogen will push out the last remaining air after i prefilled it. Then after I'm sure the container is filled with nitrogen and the pressure is 15 liter/minute I put on the mask and it should be nitrogen with an airtight mask which doesn't leak and provide a co2 exit.

Any thoughts about this setup? Haven't seen anyone bring this setup really.

 

[thot88]

Hi, I purchased a helium tank and wanted to check the purity. How do I go about this? What type of device do I need?

Cy-12c Oxygen Concentration Tester

 

[winterparty]

Do you immediately fall into a severe hypoxic coma with 1% oxygen or does that happen after a while during that 10-15 minutes?

Do you guys know the answer to this question? It's important to me.

 

[Intoxicated]

Do you immediately fall into a severe hypoxic coma with 1% oxygen or does that happen after a while during that 10-15 minutes?

Anything below 6% should cause quick fainting according to

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6474450/

This article also says that concentrations below 11% are dangerous to life.

I don't have a data on timings related to coma, but I think, it's unlikely that 0% and 1% of oxygen would have noticeably different effects. 1% is a very low concentration.

 

[winterparty]

So this article is fascinating and I'm just not sure how deep the unconsciousness of someone is right after fainting from inert gas. Do they still react to loud noises or pain stimuli? Can you wake people up that are ctbing with tjis method is such a question

 

[thegoldengirls]

Looks like the research I've been doing on helium deaths has been promising. I've read so many coroner reports of Helium deaths to ad nauseum. It seems like it will be just as successful as Nitrogen.
I got the real hefty medical helium tanks from a party supply store.
Some posters on other forums has said that this method won't work because helium isn't pure nowadays, but in the coroner helium reports I've read, some of the people commiting suicide used the small party helium tanks.

If that does the job, what I have should definitely work.
Does anyone know if someone's weight plays a factor in fatality? Like needing a bigger or more tanks to get the job done?

 

[HorriblePain]

I am having trouble finding a source for a prefilled nitrogen tank that delivers to my area. But I have found one for a prefilled argon tank. I have two questions:
(1) Does argon work as well as nitrogen?
(2) Is there anything I would need to ask about the argon, such as its purity?
Thank you.

 

[thegoldengirls]

Hello, I'm new here, I posted a thread but have not received any responses yet.
I'm eager to try the helium method today. But I'm anxious it won't work. I need something to look forward to just in case it doesn't. I plan on taking sleeping pills prior, so I don't get anxious and pull the bag off.
But I digress, If I wake up from this method, I need to know I have something else lined up to get the job done.
I posted a website where it claims I can purchase Nitrogen online. However, I'm not sure if it's legitimate. I can't afford to waste too much money, as I'm already renting the helium tank I currently have and have to return it tomorrow if it doesn't work. Plus, I have to return to work tomorrow.
I'm in the U.S.
Here's the website with the Nitrogen. Does it look legitimate? If it is, is it big enough. I know I will need a regulator. Your responses are deeply appreciated.


Edit: I tried to do the helium method via exit bag. I had my pulse oximeter on my finger, and within seconds, my pulse dropped from 99 to 75. During the seconds of it dropping, I felt extremely dizzy and light headed. Similar to the feeling I used to get while being sedated with Nitrous Oxide at the dentist. Only thing is the feeling is intensified because the tank is going full blast.
I panicked and took the bag off, because the feeling scared me.
I might try again later tonight beforeIgo to sleep. Perhaps when I'm tired and in sleep mode, I won't be so anxious. So frustrating.

 

[k1w1]

So this article is fascinating and I'm just not sure how deep the unconsciousness of someone is right after fainting from inert gas. Do they still react to loud noises or pain stimuli? Can you wake people up that are ctbing with tjis method is such a question

All this has been well documented. Have a read of PPH then go back several months in this thread.

 

[thegoldengirls]

Hello, I'm new here, I posted a thread but have not received any responses yet.
I'm eager to try the helium method today. But I'm anxious it won't work. I need something to look forward to just in case it doesn't. I plan on taking sleeping pills prior, so I don't get anxious and pull the bag off.
But I digress, If I wake up from this method, I need to know I have something else lined up to get the job done.
I posted a website where it claims I can purchase Nitrogen online. However, I'm not sure if it's legitimate. I can't afford to waste too much money, as I'm already renting the helium tank I currently have and have to return it tomorrow if it doesn't work. Plus, I have to return to work tomorrow.
I'm in the U.S.
Here's the website with the Nitrogen. Does it look legitimate? If it is, is it big enough. I know I will need a regulator. Your responses are deeply appreciated.
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Edit: I tried to do the helium method via exit bag. I had my pulse oximeter on my finger, and within seconds, my pulse dropped from 99 to 75. During the seconds of it dropping, I felt extremely dizzy and light headed. Similar to the feeling I used to get while being sedated with Nitrous Oxide at the dentist. Only thing is the feeling is intensified because the tank is going full blast.
I panicked and took the bag off, because the feeling scared me.
I might try again later tonight beforeIgo to sleep. Perhaps when I'm tired and in sleep mode, I won't be so anxious. So frustrating.

For some reason I can't edit my original post. So I'm responding to clarify that it was my spo2 that dropped to 75.

 

[Tears in Rain]

Thank you! If I were to use the first one- but with a plastic bag and poly tubing- how would I put all the pieces together?

You have to make the exit bag yourself. People usually use turkey oven bags. Look at the previous two or three in pages on this thread. There's links to videos on how to make them. Some recent posters have made them, maybe PM them for tips. The PPH has an instruction pdf:.

https://i.sanctioned-suicide.net/images/2023/03/164855_ExitBag_instructions.pdf

Then you buy either oxygen tubing or pvc vinyl tubing, and tape it to the inside of the bag.

Would something like this from amaz... work? The reviews say it only fills up about 15 balloons and the balloons don't last more than four or so hours. Would that be an issue?View attachment 128483

In the past, people often connected these bags directly to helium balloon cannisters, using hose clamps or tape. In recent years, like others have said, some of those companies have started adding oxygen to them, so some are not high enough purity.

There was a thread about those helium balloon cannisters a couple of months back, a poster planned to hook up a bag to two helium cannisters:

Helium - my plan (no regulator)

No regulator. The helium tank said to be "99% purity" from the supplier. How the tank looks like: I already owned 1x for a year, tried to find SN for Europe, but no luck, even scammed $60 by a dickhead on this site. This is it, I'll do helium. I will purchase another 1x "0,36 m3", then...

sanctioned-suicide.net

The PPH advises using gas regulators, to control the flow of gas coming from a gas cylinder.
So, after you have the exit bag and tubing, it's advised to get a nitrogen or argon gas regulator with flowmeter (or a nitrogen click-style regulator). Screw the regulator into a nitrogen/argon/helium cylinder(preferably 1000litres plus of compressed gas) using an adjustable wrench.
Attach the tubing to the gas regulator hose barb with mini hose clamps.


Like I said, go back over the last few pages of this thread to see how-to videos for the exit bag, and posters who made one

 

[Tears in Rain]

I am having trouble finding a source for a prefilled nitrogen tank that delivers to my area. But I have found one for a prefilled argon tank. I have two questions:
(1) Does argon work as well as nitrogen?
(2) Is there anything I would need to ask about the argon, such as its purity?
Thank you.

1)Argon is fine to use, though set the regulator to 25lpm.
2) Make sure it's close to 100% purity. >98% according to @Intoxicated.

I posted a website where it claims I can purchase Nitrogen online. However, I'm not sure if it's legitimate. I can't afford to waste too much money, as I'm already renting the helium tank I currently have and have to return it tomorrow if it doesn't work. Plus, I have to return to work tomorrow.
I'm in the U.S.
Here's the website with the Nitrogen. Does it look legitimate? If it is, is it big enough. I know I will need a regulator. Your responses are deeply appreciated.
View attachment 128583

I haven't seen that nitrogen source mentioned here before. Some previous posters said they weren't able to get nitrogen delivered in the U.S., only collected. I looked up the source(Google "Nitrogen (N2) 550 Liter Cylinder 99.999% Pure" for anyone who wants to look into it. Source begins with jj.....) ; it might be a good source for people, as the cylinder is disposable, and they seem to deliver worldwide to individuals (postage isn't cheap though- from the U.S roughly €200 to Europe.).
(If you get this cylinder delivered to outside the U.S., you will need to use a U.S. gas regulator also, CGA 580 inlet connection.)

As for the size, it's 550 litres. The PPH says it takes 10-15 mins to ctb via inert gas. So with the exit bag at 15lpm the gas would last around 36 mins(550÷15=36). With a hood and regulator set to 25lpm(as PPH recommends 25lpm for hoods), the gas would last around 22 mins.

Plus, that cylinder is disposable; some gas companies only rent out nitrogen cylinders. This cylinder doesn't require a deposit or yearly rental charge. Might be a good source for people who do the nitrogen method.

 

[cherry7]

You have to make the exit bag yourself. People usually use turkey oven bags. Look at the previous two or three in pages on this thread. There's links to videos on how to make them. Some recent posters have made them, maybe PM them for tips. The PPH has an instruction pdf:.

https://i.sanctioned-suicide.net/images/2023/03/164855_ExitBag_instructions.pdf

Then you buy either oxygen tubing or pvc vinyl tubing, and tape it to the inside of the bag.
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In the past, people often connected these bags directly to helium balloon cannisters, using hose clamps or tape. In recent years, like others have said, some of those companies have started adding oxygen to them, so some are not high enough purity.

There was a thread about those helium balloon cannisters a couple of months back, a poster planned to hook up a bag to two helium cannisters:

Helium - my plan (no regulator)

No regulator. The helium tank said to be "99% purity" from the supplier. How the tank looks like: I already owned 1x for a year, tried to find SN for Europe, but no luck, even scammed $60 by a dickhead on this site. This is it, I'll do helium. I will purchase another 1x "0,36 m3", then...

sanctioned-suicide.net

The PPH advises using gas regulators, to control the flow of gas coming from a gas cylinder.
So, after you have the exit bag and tubing, it's advised to get a nitrogen or argon gas regulator with flowmeter (or a nitrogen click-style regulator). Screw the regulator into a nitrogen/argon/helium cylinder(preferably 1000litres plus of compressed gas) using an adjustable wrench.
Attach the tubing to the gas regulator hose barb with mini hose clamps.


Like I said, go back over the last few pages of this thread to see how-to videos for the exit bag, and posters who made one

Ok thank you. The exit bag I'm clear on. It's just how to attach the tubing and regulator to the tank that I needed guidance on.

 

[Elzar]

Does it really need to be 600 liters of inert gas? I just bought a 350 Helium cylinder, using the link in the (german) book by Jessica Düber.

 

[Tears in Rain]

Ok thank you. The exit bag I'm clear on. It's just how to attach the tubing and regulator to the tank that I needed guidance on.

There are plenty of YouTube videos of welders attaching nitrogen or argon regulators to cylinders. And medical practitioners attaching oxygen tubing to O2 regulators:

Argon regulator, hose barb and hose attachment:


Oxygen tubing to an oxygen cylinder (I'm showing this video to show the type of oxygen tubing often used with an exit bag. Don't buy an oxygen regulator! In this video they don't use hose clamps for the tubing, someone using a nitrogen/argon regulator should):



EU regulator installation including leak test(making sure there's no gas bubbles at connections):

Does it really need to be 600 liters of inert gas? I just bought a 350 Helium cylinder, using the link in the (german) book by Jessica Düber.

I don't know that book. If you're using a gas regulator and setting it to 15lpm, 350 litres gives 23 mins worth of gas(350÷15).

Some people bought two helium cylinders and connected them to a t-joint connection, without a regulator. (See the "Helium - my plan. No regulator" thread I linked above).

 

[thegoldengirls]

1)Argon is fine to use, though set the regulator to 25lpm.
2) Make sure it's close to 100% purity. >98% according to @Intoxicated.

I haven't seen that nitrogen source mentioned here before. Some previous posters said they weren't able to get nitrogen delivered in the U.S., only collected. I looked up the source(Google "Nitrogen (N2) 550 Liter Cylinder 99.999% Pure" for anyone who wants to look into it. Source begins with jj.....) ; it might be a good source for people, as the cylinder is disposable, and they seem to deliver worldwide to individuals (postage isn't cheap though- from the U.S roughly €200 to Europe.).
(If you get this cylinder delivered to outside the U.S., you will need to use a U.S. gas regulator also, CGA 580 inlet connection.)

As for the size, it's 550 litres. The PPH says it takes 10-15 mins to ctb via inert gas. So with the exit bag at 15lpm the gas would last around 36 mins(550÷15=36). With a hood and regulator set to 25lpm(as PPH recommends 25lpm for hoods), the gas would last around 22 mins.

Plus, that cylinder is disposable; some gas companies only rent out nitrogen cylinders. This cylinder doesn't require a deposit or yearly rental charge. Might be a good source for people who do the nitrogen method.

I'm so overwhelmed, CTB shouldn't be this difficult. Thank goodness for this site.
I notice all of these methods start to get really pricey, especially if one keeps failing, or backing out.
I'm currently renting a helium tank. I freak out every time I attempt and pull the bag off. My spo2 drops to 75, so I know it's working, but I panic for some reason...which makes me waste some helium too.
I guess it's the thought of running out of Helium too soon and waking up with long term damage that terrifies me.
Is this regulator okay? This is my current helium tank. I can't adjust it to a preferred level. It comes out full strength. I think that's why I panic.


I wish these methods would knock me out instantly...before I could panic. Sorry for the rant.


Apparently, it will only cost me under 27 U.S. dollars to get that Nitrogen shipped to me, and I can get the other pieces off of Amazon.
Thanks for all of the information. @Tears in Rain