Discussion Thoughts on @Proper Overdoser’s opinion that SN is a “terrible” way to ctb?

[Lifeaffirmingchoice]

This guy seemed very knowledgeable about how drugs / poisons affect the body (well, maybe less so poisons). Any thoughts on the opinion he voices here?

Post in thread 'How are my SN Suicide Kit plans?'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/how-are-my-sn-suicide-kit-plans.110343/post-1933607

 

[rozeske]

We all have certain personal opinions towards every method. Any method may not be for everyone. It's not a one size fits all type of thing. But some opinions are just that, opinions and not facts. The same way this is just a personal opinion with nothing to backup the claim. I wouldn't look too much into it. There are far too many sources to cancel out his claims but I'm having a bad headache now to list all that out.

 

[rotciv]

He knew many substances that can effectively cause a painless death, but failed a lot in terms of doses though.

SN would be better than jumping from a building/bridge or guns in my opinion.

 

[willitpass]

As someone with both medical background and a survivor of SN, I would take that with a grain of salt. No method is going to have a 100% peace rate. It is somewhat painful, but relatively bearable in my experience. Everyone has their own scale for pain though, so what was a 6/10 for me may be a 2/10 for someone, and a 10/10 for another. As for the success rates, it's hard to quantify, I'd say it falls somewhere in the middle of the road. Take the right dosage and don't get help and you will die. What often happens is people seek help as it's not an instantaneous method.

There is already plenty of discourse on whether SN is good or not. That's where using your own judgment to make a method is necessary. There are methods that are just flat out not going to work, and methods with a near 100% success rate. No matter what method you pick, you will find someone saying it's a bad method. Do your research, look at statistics, learn about human anatomy and physiology, and make your own decisions. If there's a method where you have 25 replies saying "this won't work", you should probably reconsider, but a stray thread here or there should not be enough to discredit an entire method.

 

[dggtscccvfd]

As someone with both medical background and a survivor of SN, I would take that with a grain of salt. No method is going to have a 100% peace rate. It is somewhat painful, but relatively bearable in my experience. Everyone has their own scale for pain though, so what was a 6/10 for me may be a 2/10 for someone, and a 10/10 for another. As for the success rates, it's hard to quantify, I'd say it falls somewhere in the middle of the road. Take the right dosage and don't get help and you will die. What often happens is people seek help as it's not an instantaneous method.

There is already plenty of discourse on whether SN is good or not. That's where using your own judgment to make a method is necessary. There are methods that are just flat out not going to work, and methods with a near 100% success rate. No matter what method you pick, you will find someone saying it's a bad method. Do your research, look at statistics, learn about human anatomy and physiology, and make your own decisions. If there's a method where you have 25 replies saying "this won't work", you should probably reconsider, but a stray thread here or there should not be enough to discredit an entire method.

How did you survive SN?

 

[willitpass]

How did you survive SN?

The most common failure way: I told someone. In a panic I texted my boyfriend at the time "I'm dying", not expecting him to believe it. He must have known something was up because he called for help. By the time my dad found me I was dead.

 

[Alexei_Kirillov]

The most common failure way: I told someone. In a panic I texted my boyfriend at the time "I'm dying", not expecting him to believe it. He must have known something was up because he called for help. By the time my dad found me I was dead.

Do you regret texting him?

 

[willitpass]

Do you regret texting him?

I wish I had died, but nothing I can do to change the way things played out back then. Things would have been a lot easier if I had gone out 4 years ago, now SN is a hell of a lot harder to get and the trauma from surviving has my SI so strong it's hard to overcome.

 

[divinemistress36]

I wish I had died, but nothing I can do to change the way things played out back then. Things would have been a lot easier if I had gone out 4 years ago, now SN is a hell of a lot harder to get and the trauma from surviving has my SI so strong it's hard to overcome.

Did you take a benzo when you attempted?

 

[willitpass]

Did you take a benzo when you attempted?

No. My goodbye thread is out there somewhere with more details. I took tums and ibuprofen and fasted for 24 hours.

 

[Goku Black]

No. My goodbye thread is out there somewhere with more details. I took tums and ibuprofen and fasted for 24 hours.

my bus is coming

not gonna lie i’m kind of offended that you guys are saying this is a fraud. i didn’t answer posts for a year because i ended up in a residential mental health facility for 9 months. after that i was in recovery and stayed off of this site for my mental health to stay on the right track. i ended...

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are there any major SN negative effects when saved?

rather self-explanatory title. supposing i will be ''saved'' is there a risk of any brain damage/major loss of function associated with SN? i don't want to end up as a vegetable in case of a failed attempt. this is also the major reason i don't want to go for ctb by hanging. thanks for your...

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[Lifeaffirmingchoice]

No. My goodbye thread is out there somewhere with more details. I took tums and ibuprofen and fasted for 24 hours.

No AE. Right? Thanks for sharing your experience btw, this is making me consider SN as a backup method only.

No. My goodbye thread is out there somewhere with more details. I took tums and ibuprofen and fasted for 24 hours.

Yeah, I read it and didn't see it mentioned, but I wanted to double check since most people consider it crucial to the protocol.
Thanks for answering.

Just so people know ibuprofen is also rough on the stomach and if otc painkiller is your only option I personally would opt for Tylenol.

 

[Goku Black]

Yeah it's pretty "terrible".

But here's the thing, out of the methods we can name comparatively name that people have ctb with out there, SN is just way too nuanced to say it's a "terrible" way to go as we've seen here, discussed on numerous occasion whether an attempt was close to working and the user described it as peaceful, relatively so or described as a terrible experience where one particular symptom was too distressing to deal and eventually led to them calling for help.

What's a guaranteed death anyway? Nothing out there is guaranteed to work, that's just part of the risk aspect when it comes to ctb so I don't know how this is a problem of SN solely and as for its popularity, I think it's been explained multiple times already as to why people either choose it as their main method because they've ran out of options that would've been a better alternative or keep it as a backup just in case whatever plans they have to get their main method don't work out.

We've seen times varying degree to what extent all the symptoms have affected users who've survived and I still don't find them particularly distressing, and even they've described as so. The success of this method, just like any other, depends on the level of preparation you're willing to put in, whether it's taking responsibility for your own research and getting the correct items needed for it to work but statistically, I think there's already been a few medical articles out there that give an idea of how the response to this method has been, it's lethality is characterized by Methemoglobinemia which can induce tissue hypoxia and may then lead to cardiovascular collapse, causing death by acute respiratory failure.

I've seen opinions readjusted around this method more than I've seen for any other that's led to misinformation and overall, a sense of fear, at this point, listen to the facts, discuss accurate sources and take it from there.

I think anyone can say sn is a terrible death if it doesn't fit the definition of what a peaceful death is for them and what a terrible one is, everyone is different and I can respect that but there's just too much information out there right now to say it's an excruciating, agonizing death or saying that's it's completely peaceful without any discomfort. We know better now than 2019 so there's just very left to discuss on this method that hasn't been.

 

[rozeske]

this is making me consider SN as a backup method only.

I wouldn't make any decision bases off of a single case. Like @Goku Black mentioned above SN has been discussed about in depth for many years now, a lot more than other methods. I would look at those plus the explanation of it on the ppeh which is based off of 22 witnessed end of life by SN plus tones of avaliable medical literature reports of SN poisoning which indicates how "scary" effectiveness SN is even at low doses and even after calling for help right after ingestion. Make an educated decision for yourself after looking at those. But like I said above SN, like any other method, may not be everyone's choice.

 

[Anon1337]

From everything I've read it appears to be a good method. Definitely not "terrible". Why would it be in the PPH if it's terrible? It's not the best method but it's not terrible. It's quite reliable and appears to be more reliable than most drug overdoses. I'd go with a firearm over SN just because I always have preferred those instant methods.

 

[Abyssal]

Theres no truly peaceful death in my mind. I have come to terms that I'll just have to bite the bullet and try not to give a fuck when I do.

 

[rotciv]

Sodium Nitrite was Extremely Painful in my Experience

@tiredquail ws also parlysd whn thy usd SN - sh/ ws only othr cse whre slf hve hrd of tht tho Slf cnnt remmbr whthr sh/ lst visn or nt OP - hw wre u abl t/ cll 911 if u cld nt C Also pls kp convrsatn civl & d/ nt rsort t/ nme-callng...

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[Goku Black]

Aborted SN attempt - my experience

Helloooo, I'm sharing my story of ingesting SN in the hopes the information is useful to some people. I've requested copies of my medical and ambulance records which is why I'm able to be so detailed, alongside memory recall of the day and very brief notes I wrote at the time/shortly afterwards...

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Failed SN attempt: Retrospective

Anyone curious about what a SN suicide attempt would be like, wonder no more. There are plenty of threads about this but I've chosen to summarize my experience to add one more to the books. First of all, I'm a healthy human. I have no documented physical illnesses, healthy as a horse. I also...

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My SN experience

You're pretty sure that's why you survived then? You said it was dosing before. BTW you've been invited into a telegram group. Hi, mate. I saw your mention of a Telegram group in the discussion. Could you let me know what kind of qualifications or requirements are needed to join the group? I am...

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Does anyone else feel SN isn't fullproof enough? - An inebriated jump/train seems superior.

I have seen the megathread of SN Successful vs Unsuccessful attempts. The amount of vomiting and pain associated with even successful attempts seems scary - https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-successful-and-unsuccessful-cases-2023-update.120854/ You can call me a pussy if you want...

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Wanting to Help - SN Method

I mean, it's a way more violent and hands-on method. Being suffocated like that is just plain exhilarating in a sense. You'd have to experience it yourself. Hmm, I tried with partial but didn't get too far. Apparently everything was fine. But that was also after I fully recovered at home...

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Smart watch SN

I recently got a smart watch which is samsung, I think it would be cool to take sn and have my o2 heart rate tracked and uploaded so that users of this site could track it as I ctb, sort of a morbid curiosity thing

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I survived MY second SN attempt, AMA

I survived this time because I freaked out halfway through due to SI, and made myself puke. AMA about the way SN feels leading up to unconsciousness, as well as how the regimen was like prior to taking SN.

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[bluegoldbear]

Medical degree here, and I think proper overdoser was very on point. Benzo and opiate probably the most peaceful way to go. Extremely hard to source tho.

 

[Lifeaffirmingchoice]

Medical degree here, and I think proper overdoser was very on point. Benzo and opiate probably the most peaceful way to go. Extremely hard to source tho.

Do you mind giving the dosage in morphine equivalent and the quantity of benzos required? Also what would be the damage if the OD failed? Thank you.

 

[bluegoldbear]

The morphine equivalent depends on your tolerance, people are different baseline also. The values he posted in his thread are accurate tho. Benzo in my opinion is just to take the edge of anxiety and amnesia, not so much for respiratory depression.

 

[Rubypie41]

Medical degree here, and I think proper overdoser was very on point. Benzo and opiate probably the most peaceful way to go. Extremely hard to source tho.

With you having a medical degree what are your thoughts on the below protocol:

Diazepam - 2g
Digoxin - 120mg
Morphine - 1g (oral solution 500ml bottle)
Amitriptyline - 10g

It's basically the official DDMA method but with less morphine, but more Diazepam, Digoxin and Amitriptyline.

The Digoxin, Diazepam and Amitriptyline would be ground into a fine powder, then added to the 500ml morphine oral solution.

 

[homesoon.]

This guy seemed very knowledgeable about how drugs / poisons affect the body (well, maybe less so poisons). Any thoughts on the opinion he voices here?

Post in thread 'How are my SN Suicide Kit plans?'
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/how-are-my-sn-suicide-kit-plans.110343/post-1933607

As someone who has selected SN as their primary method, I recognize that there is no 100% peaceful method or one that involves a 100% no-f*ck-up. However, I think it depends on the person whether a certain method is "terrible" with a capital T. It depends more on your research, your preference, and what exactly you're willing/capable to deal with during end of life. For example, I know the symptoms I may experience when using SN as a way to cbt, but I always plan to take the extra steps necessary to lessen these symptoms to something more bearable to my individual capabilities.