Does anyone else feel SN isn't fullproof enough? - An inebriated jump/train seems superior.

[The Schizoid]

I have seen the megathread of SN Successful vs Unsuccessful attempts. The amount of vomiting and pain associated with even successful attempts seems scary - https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-successful-and-unsuccessful-cases-2023-update.120854/

You can call me a pussy if you want, that's fine, but lets say you fail, there's a good chance you may need to call emergency services to help with your suffering in which case everyone will likely figure out what you were trying to do.

It seems like certain doses work on some people but not for others, and you could easily get the amount wrong, which will lead to a lot of discomfort and potentially a traumatic experience and now everyone may know you're trying to kill yourself.

I know some people talk about the awful fear associated with jumping, but if I can find a very tall cliff which a 100ft+ drop, that is very likely to kill me painlessly after a short period of fear.

AND - Lets say you can get your hands on substances that will lower your inhibitions/fears/leave you semi conscious and then you jump?

I know jumping and train method has it's failures, but if the train is going fast enough and if the jump is high enough, you're very likely to die quickly.

I'll likely jump over train to minimise trauma to others.

Thoughts?

 

[WAITING TO DIE]

Yeah, the only substance I would ingest for ctb is nembutal. Yet that's not an option anymore.
So I'm left with jumping or the charcoal method.
A minimum height of 160 feet is recommended for jumping.
If I choose to jump I will have a few vodkas, benzos and blindfold myself before I become a flying human.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

And jumping is when for several reasons, you could still not die despite jumping from a fairly high height which would've killed someone else just as much as someone could ingest 20g of sn and still live.

It seems like certain doses work on some people but not for others, and you could easily get the amount wrong, which will lead to a lot of discomfort and potentially a traumatic experience and now everyone may know you're trying to kill yourself.

25g is there for a reason, it'll work most of the time except for the odd exception when someone doesn't follow protocol or is prone to nausea. That much has been shown on this forum quite a number of times and who knows how many more in the real world who didn't have a gb thread or an account at all.

Taking sn or even jumping isn't bulletproof by means, it's all about balancing the variables between the risks involved and the increased chances of success the closer you follow what's been to be successful.

Also again, many personally choose sn because they'd rather not traumatize other people by looking flattened like a pancake with brain bits all over the place or cut in half like deli meat thanks by a train but if that's no problem for you then by all means, proceed cautiously but no method is bulletproof, no method out there will never be without its chances of failure no matter how assured it can be.

 

[roguetrader]

I think SN is 85% plus in success rate if you don't call for help or get found too early. Definitely not perfect, but still very effective.

 

[The Schizoid]

And jumping is when for several reasons, you could still not die despite jumping from a fairly high height which would've killed someone else just as much as someone could ingest 20g of sn and still live.


25g is there for a reason, it'll work most of the time except for the odd exception when someone doesn't follow protocol or is prone to nausea. That much has been shown on this forum quite a number of times and who knows how many more in the real world who didn't have a gb thread or an account at all.

Taking sn or even jumping isn't bulletproof by means, it's all about balancing the variables between the risks involved and the increased chances of success the closer you follow what's been to be successful.

Also again, many personally choose sn because they'd rather not traumatize other people by looking flattened like a pancake with brain bits all over the place or cut in half like deli meat thanks by a train but if that's no problem for you then by all means, proceed cautiously but no method is bulletproof, no method out there will never be without its chances of failure no matter how assured it can be.

Yeah but SN seems a lot easier to mess up, it seems very complicated and can still cause a lot of discomfort.

I understand with the traumatising other part, but jumping off a high enough cliff is a lot less difficult to mess up.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Yeah but SN seems a lot easier to mess up, it seems very complicated and can still cause a lot of discomfort.

A lot easier to mess up?

In what way, tell me how you think it's easier to mess up. Very complicated? I could see how getting the meds could tricky but it's nothing outside of what anyone can get like some of the listed items plus there's a protocol to follow to increase the chances of success, a protocol that has been regularly adapted and changed to suit what the individual best suits them according to weight and meds at their disposal although 20-25g is the consensus amount to go for. Some people fasted for 6 hrs while others did a whole day so I don't see how fasting could be complicated.

Discomfort is understandable however for the most part, cases that involved discomfort do not look off-putting and the very fact that people have stated that the anxiety of the moment made things worse when recounting their experience and even planned and did attempt sn successfully a 2nd time(Eden2k and NeCkDeEp) tells me it's rather not too bad. I hate bringing up people who aren't here with us to make my point but here we are.

 

[The Schizoid]

A lot easier to mess up?

In what way, tell me how you think it's easier to mess up.

From reading the thread you need more than just SN, you need other drugs/substances to help with the process that aren't always easy to get and everyone's body is different, and will react differently.

The chances of failure put me off.

 

[Darkover]

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[Deleted member 65988]

From reading the thread you need more than just SN, you need other drugs/substances to help with the process that aren't always easy to get and everyone's body is different, and will react differently.

The chances of failure put me off.

Hmm, I guess we're two very different people because I got most of the meds easier but people have done it with less, none of the more "luxury" meds were accessible to many people and still managed to ctb. Everyone's body is different is true but it's very much been known what to expect with sn due to a variety of experiences from failed accounts, most of which detail experiences which aren't even terrifying on the balance of what we'd consider a method which is not to be used at all.

If the chances of failure are what put you off then that's a fear that comes with every method, plenty of people have had access to a gun which I think would've been my go-to method had things been different for me but still opted for something else for whatever reason, fear of getting it all wrong being one of them which is not the exception with SN, its common with every single method.

At the end of the day, I understand your issues with sn, it is not a method that is without its drawbacks that many have discussed on this forum time and time again, revised and discussed in threads long gone, it's been addressed about as many times as I can count now so I'll be on my way after this, good luck with everything going forward.

 

[roguetrader]

From reading the thread you need more than just SN, you need other drugs/substances to help with the process that aren't always easy to get and everyone's body is different, and will react differently.

The chances of failure put me off.

The other drugs definitely help the process and probably reduce the chance of failure. I am pretty sure that if you only had SN but prepared 2-3 lethal portions of SN and are strong enough to take another one in the event you puke, it will be successful. Even with puking, i don't think anyone has survived multiple SN doses.

 

[The Schizoid]

Hmm, I guess we're two very different people because I got most of the meds easier but people have done it with less, none of the more "luxury" meds were accessible to many people and still managed to ctb. Everyone's body is different is true but it's very much been known what to expect with sn due to a variety of experiences from failed accounts, most of which detail experiences which aren't even terrifying on the balance of what we'd consider a method which is not to be used at all.

If the chances of failure are what put you off then that's a fear that comes with every method, plenty of people have had access to a gun which I think would've been my go-to method had things been different for me but still opted for something else for whatever reason, fear of getting it all wrong being one of them which is not the exception with SN, its common with every single method.

At the end of the day, I understand your issues with sn, it is not a method that is without its drawbacks that many have discussed on this forum time and time again, revised and discussed in threads long gone, it's been addressed about as many times as I can count now so I'll be on my way after this, good luck with everything going forward.

I dunno man the process doesn't seem easy.

Without the other drugs stopping you from puking and dulling other discomfort, SN seems easy to fuck up and survival rate is still enough to be concerned with.

 

[Kundalini Guy]

I have some SN but the fact that it can take up to 20 minutes to pass out makes me iffy. I will call ambulance in that time am sure of it, I prefer methods where you can't back out like jumping or drowning likely will be my way to CTB.

 

[sanlcx]

I have seen the megathread of SN Successful vs Unsuccessful attempts. The amount of vomiting and pain associated with even successful attempts seems scary - https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-successful-and-unsuccessful-cases-2023-update.120854/

You can call me a pussy if you want, that's fine, but lets say you fail, there's a good chance you may need to call emergency services to help with your suffering in which case everyone will likely figure out what you were trying to do.

It seems like certain doses work on some people but not for others, and you could easily get the amount wrong, which will lead to a lot of discomfort and potentially a traumatic experience and now everyone may know you're trying to kill yourself.

I know some people talk about the awful fear associated with jumping, but if I can find a very tall cliff which a 100ft+ drop, that is very likely to kill me painlessly after a short period of fear.

AND - Lets say you can get your hands on substances that will lower your inhibitions/fears/leave you semi conscious and then you jump?

I know jumping and train method has it's failures, but if the train is going fast enough and if the jump is high enough, you're very likely to die quickly.

I'll likely jump over train to minimise trauma to others.

Thoughts?

Man there are so many worse ways to go, some people get beheaded, decapitated, slowly burned alive, etc. etc. It's fine to feel some pain, comparatively SN is one of the best methods out there, and even if it fails it's very unlikely it will do serious damage to you, like making you become a vegetable or something. Is nembutal better? Of course, but it's practically impossible to get so we might as well don't even consider it an option.

 

[The Schizoid]

Man there are so many worse ways to go, some people get beheaded, decapitated, slowly burned alive, etc. etc. It's fine to feel some pain, comparatively SN is one of the best methods out there, and even if it fails it's very unlikely it will do serious damage to you, like making you become a vegetable or something. Is nembutal better? Of course, but it's practically impossible to get so we might as well don't even consider it an option.

Im from UK so cannot get SN. And I also don't have great faith in it.

 

[Meditation guide]

I too have reservations about SN. I just read a scientific article of a man who drank 25 g. of SN, passed out and woke up six hours later covered with his own waste, was confused and sick feeling and called for an ambulance to go to the hospital. I cannot imagine how awful that would be, to wake up alive and sick.

Survival after self‐poisoning with sodium nitrite: A case report

Sodium nitrite ingestion poses a considerable public health threat. The incidence of sodium nitrite self‐poisoning in the United States has been trending upward since 2017. Our case report describes an intentional sodium nitrite ingestion with ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

I would say 9 out of 10 have success though.

 

[sanlcx]

I too have reservations about SN. I just read a scientific article of a man who drank 25 g. of SN, passed out and woke up six hours later covered with his own waste, was confused and sick feeling and called for an ambulance to go to the hospital. I cannot imagine how awful that would be, to wake up alive and sick.

It is rare but it happens now and then that someone's body processes it well enough to keep them alive. Not to mention a couple of people here saying the stomach pain was so unbearable they called for help.

I would say 9 out of 10 have success though.

How do you get covered in your own shit? Wtf

 

[Deleted member 65988]

I dunno man the process doesn't seem easy.

Without the other drugs stopping you from puking and dulling other discomfort, SN seems easy to fuck up and survival rate is still enough to be concerned with.

The survival rate is rather low from the medical docs I've read but of course you'd have reason to think otherwise when all we hear about are those who've failed, never the ones who aren't here anymore but I've spent more than enough time reading about this method to know what I know. Also, inspite of the vomiting happening, it is not a direct cause for failure as per the thread below. You'd think a method that doesn't have a high survival rate would concern the legal and political powers at be to stop at nothing to make sure the ordinary individual doesn't obtain it. Your concerns over meds or lack there of as a reason to stress the idea of failure being more likely has been addressed before so you aren't exactly first to say any of these things. High levels of sn deliberately ingested with the aim of ctb has a higher chance of death for several reasons even without meds to make the process easier although those are preferable as per any guide you come across and the many gb threads of people detailing what they'll take and when. I still fail to see what's so concerning about that itd be easy "fuck up" when all the instructions and experiences are there to guide you otherwise on not what to do. You've done your research and i respect that you don't find sn to be a suitable method compared to jumping for instance, each to their own as far as I see it but these concerns don't really raise any serious concerns that haven't been addressed before.

PROOF! - VOMITING HAS *NOT* BEEN REPORTED ON THE FORUM AS A CAUSE OF SN FAILURE

I have been through every account of failed SN attempts. Vomiting has never been reported as a cause of SN failure. There are only two accounts that could conceivably have been due to vomiting: @Silasruin on 4/25/20, took 75% of 60g SN in 150 ml water, reported rapid onset vomiting and also...

sanctioned-suicide.net

How do you get covered in your own shit? Wtf

There was a whole thread about this specific case that mg herself made a thread about, you should find it and @Meditation guide , you got the amount incorrect, it was never specified how much he actually took, just that i was 2 teaspoons of sn, not 25g. Also, that example is shrouded with so many open ended questions plus it wasn't far from Matthew Mindlers own ctb with sn so it may have been a copy-cat instance that was poorly followed. Also, the individual suffered from ibs.

 

[StellaSomnus]

Im from UK so cannot get SN. And I also don't have great faith in it.

Well, in the UK, you're pretty much stuck with brutal methods, since this country is strongly 'anti-suicide', which ironically does more harm than good.

It's not impossible to get SN in the UK, just very difficult. Some had luck getting SN here, though idk the source, might just be lucky. But if you have reservations on SN ingestion, that's fair after you've done your research.

If you have access to a high enough building and can convince yourself to jump from that height then more power to you. It's not peaceful, but as long as it works.

I would consider the RPA (reliability, peacefulness and accessibility) factor when chosing a method just like in the PPeH. Jumping off a tall building isn't peaceful, fairly accessible and reliability is based on how tall it is. Currently looking at partial hanging though if I had access to SN, I would opt for that instead.

 

[sanlcx]

The survival rate is rather low from the medical docs I've read but of course you'd have reason to think otherwise when all we hear about are those who've failed, never the ones who aren't here anymore but I've spent more than enough time reading about this method to know what I know. Also, inspite of the vomiting happening, it is not a direct cause for failure as per the thread below. You'd think a method that doesn't have a high survival rate would concern the legal and political powers at be to stop at nothing to make sure the ordinary individual doesn't obtain it. Your concerns over meds or lack there of as a reason to stress the idea of failure being more likely has been addressed before so you aren't exactly first to say any of these things. High levels of sn deliberately ingested with the aim of ctb has a higher chance of death for several reasons even without meds to make the meds process although those are preferable as per any guide you comd across and the many gb threads of people detailing what they'll take and when. I still fail to sew what's so concerning about that itd be easy "fuck up" when all the instructions and experiences are there to guide you otherwise.

PROOF! - VOMITING HAS *NOT* BEEN REPORTED ON THE FORUM AS A CAUSE OF SN FAILURE

I have been through every account of failed SN attempts. Vomiting has never been reported as a cause of SN failure. There are only two accounts that could conceivably have been due to vomiting: @Silasruin on 4/25/20, took 75% of 60g SN in 150 ml water, reported rapid onset vomiting and also...

sanctioned-suicide.net

There was a whole thread about this specific case that mg herself made a thread about, you should find it and @Meditation guide , you got the amount incorrect, it was never specified how much he actually took, just that i was 2 teaspoons of sn, not 25g. Also, that example is shrouded with so many open ended questions plus it wasn't far from Matthew Mindlers own ctb with sn so it may have been a copy-cat instance that was poorly followed. Also, the individual suffered from ibs.

Alright i'll give it a look, i understand him pooping while unconcious but when you say he was covered in it, i imagine his whole body covered in shit lol i don't get it. Also, a bit random but i was wondering if after you take the SN, if laying on your back would be a good idea, even if you somehow would survive the SN, you can throw up and drown in your own vomit, wouldn't it be painless, since u would be unconcious?

 

[roguetrader]

SNs popularity can also be attributed to this…. If your attempt was to unfortunately fail….would you rather fail with SN or by train/jumping? I think most here would agree that a jumping or train failure is infinitely worse.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

i was wondering if after you take the SN, if laying on your back would be a good idea, even if you somehow would survive the SN, you can throw up and drown in your own vomit, wouldn't it be painless, since u would be unconcious?

Yeah, id say lie on your side. Also in regards to whether or not it'll be painful or painless when unconscious then yes, most likely you won't feel anything due the low blood pressure(hypotension)caused by Methomoglobinemia at levels above 50% which at that point means death isn't far off.

 

[sanlcx]

Yeah, id say lie on your side. Also in regards to whether or not it'll be painful or painless when unconscious then yes, most likely you won't feel anything due the low blood pressure(hypotension)caused by Methomoglobinemia at levels above 50% which at that point means death isn't far off.

Didn't u mean to say on your back? If u lay on your side u won't drown in your own vomit

Well, in the UK, you're pretty much stuck with brutal methods, since this country is strongly 'anti-suicide', which ironically does more harm than good.

It's not impossible to get SN in the UK, just very difficult. Some had luck getting SN here, though idk the source, might just be lucky. But if you have reservations on SN ingestion, that's fair after you've done your research.

If you have access to a high enough building and can convince yourself to jump from that height then more power to you. It's not peaceful, but as long as it works.

I would consider the RPA (reliability, peacefulness and accessibility) factor when chosing a method just like in the PPeH. Jumping off a tall building isn't peaceful, fairly accessible and reliability is based on how tall it is. Currently looking at partial hanging though if I had access to SN, I would opt for that instead.

They think they prevent suicide and are in the right, when really all they're preventing is peaceful and clean deaths, and making people hang themselves and blow their brains out instead.

 

[Meditation guide]

The survival rate is rather low from the medical docs I've read but of course you'd have reason to think otherwise when all we hear about are those who've failed, never the ones who aren't here anymore but I've spent more than enough time reading about this method to know what I know. Also, inspite of the vomiting happening, it is not a direct cause for failure as per the thread below. You'd think a method that doesn't have a high survival rate would concern the legal and political powers at be to stop at nothing to make sure the ordinary individual doesn't obtain it. Your concerns over meds or lack there of as a reason to stress the idea of failure being more likely has been addressed before so you aren't exactly first to say any of these things. High levels of sn deliberately ingested with the aim of ctb has a higher chance of death for several reasons even without meds to make the process easier although those are preferable as per any guide you come across and the many gb threads of people detailing what they'll take and when. I still fail to see what's so concerning about that itd be easy "fuck up" when all the instructions and experiences are there to guide you otherwise on not what to do. You've done your research and i respect that you don't find sn to be a suitable method compared to jumping for instance, each to their own as far as I see it but these concerns don't really raise any serious concerns that haven't been addressed before.

PROOF! - VOMITING HAS *NOT* BEEN REPORTED ON THE FORUM AS A CAUSE OF SN FAILURE

I have been through every account of failed SN attempts. Vomiting has never been reported as a cause of SN failure. There are only two accounts that could conceivably have been due to vomiting: @Silasruin on 4/25/20, took 75% of 60g SN in 150 ml water, reported rapid onset vomiting and also...

sanctioned-suicide.net

There was a whole thread about this specific case that mg herself made a thread about, you should find it and @Meditation guide , you got the amount incorrect, it was never specified how much he actually took, just that i was 2 teaspoons of sn, not 25g. Also, that example is shrouded with so many open ended questions plus it wasn't far from Matthew Mindlers own ctb with sn so it may have been a copy-cat instance that was poorly followed. Also, the individual suffered from ibs.

You're right he took about 9 grams.

 

[Deleted member 65988]

Didn't u mean to say on your back? If u lay on your side u won't drown in your own vomit

I'd say lie on your side in case you do vomit before you go unconscious to be able to take that 2nd dose or if you don't feel like you can continue then don't hesitate to call for help.

I'm not gonna say more because i don't want to feel like I'm giving you guys advise on what to look out for, how to get it done properly, I understand that this forum shares information freely with discretion to use up to the individual which is one the things I appreciate but sometimes, especially with the recent goings of Stepz and Toofargone, I feel odd about it whenever I have a moment to think quietly.

You're right he took about 9 grams.

Hmm I was confused at first as to who you were referring to until i checked again

 

[sanlcx]

I'd say lie on your side in case you do vomit before you go unconscious to be able to take that 2nd dose or if you don't feel like you can continue then don't hesitate to call for help.

I'm not gonna say more because i don't want to feel like I'm giving you guys advise on what to look out for, how to get it done properly, I understand that this forum shares information freely with discretion to use up to the individual which is one the things I appreciate but sometimes, especially with the recent goings of Stepz and Toofargone, I feel odd about it whenever I have a moment to think quietly.


Hmm I was confused at first as to who you were referring to until i checked again

ah i see. It's ok no worries bro

 

[Deleted member 65988]

ah i see. It's ok no worries bro

Don't mind helping as I have before but sometimes, I do feel weird about it.

 

[IWishToDie]

From reading the thread you need more than just SN, you need other drugs/substances to help with the process that aren't always easy to get and everyone's body is different, and will react differently.

The chances of failure put me off.

I'm concerned about struggling to breathe and seizures before falling unconscious, though I have this idea that if the product is genuine and pure + taken with anti-emitics and a few benzos then it should mostly work fine. The people that say they took 25g of SN and were totally fine are misleading people either purposely or by accident, because they screwed up somehow or just straight up used nitrate instead.