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hadenough

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Aug 24, 2019
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I have tried to put a brief summary of all the attempts, assumed successful and unsuccessful, of SN suicide. These are all posts that the member has made to document the method, news articles, and scientific articles. If I have missed any I apologise and it would be great if you can add them to this thread.

SS ASSUMED SUCCESSFUL

iceiceice722: 20g, 48 hour regimen meto, antacid.

Stan: 20g in 50ml water, stat dose antiemetic Buccastem (prochlorperazine), 200mg tramadol, OTC antacid, fasted for at least 5 hours.

Moonicide: 25g in luke warm water drank through straw to help with taste, 48 hour regimen meto, 1000mg ibuprofen, 1000mg gabapentin, 800mg Tagamet, 8 hour fasting, throat and stomach burning afterward, pain rated 3.5/10, after 5 minutes needed to lay down, heart beating fast, feeling really warm but no pain, vomited twice, after 10 minutes breathing heavily, gasping for air, sounds like choking. After 10 minutes breathing slows down, leg spasms and grunting and loud groaning sounds. After 15 minutes vomits again, unconscious after 20 minutes. Witness did not think it was entirely peaceful.

Chat room: 25g, 72 hours regimen meto, 6 hour fast, ranitidine, tasted bad, burning throat, breathing slowly, 20 minutes after ingesting vomited violent, sounds indicated it became a very tough experience, horrible respiratory sounds, really distressing, don't know when she fell unconscious but we didn't talk anymore, 45 minutes after drinking she stopped breathing and dead (report from person who was on the telephone while someone took SN, could hear noises and groaning, did not think it was peaceful).

gambardella: 2 tablespoons in as little water as possible, 48 hour regimen with metopimazine, fasted for 8 hours, sleeping pills (doxylamine) 30 mins before the SN drink, 1000mg paracetamol but no antacids. Slight stomach discomfort and throat hurts a bit, heart beating super-fast!

MeltingHeart: 48 hour regimen with meto but missed out last triple dose, 2 parcetamol plus 1 Zantac, a few low dose benzos.

BPD-LE: 20g in 50ml water, stat dose of quetiapine, 8 hour fast, withdrew fluids 2 hours before SN, antacid 4 x Rennie.

metalchic_74: 27g, 8 hours fasting, stat dose 400 mg of quetiapine, 2-3mg Ativan, antacid Tagamet, 2 ibuprofen, fast heartbeat, dizzy.

Tearygirl: 25g, stat dose of 30mg meto, take painkiller and benzo 1 hour before, meto 45 mins before, and antacid 30 mins before, 1000mg Tylenol, 0.5mg lorazepam, 20mg famotidine.

Suicidal4Ever: 20 capsules, stat dose antiemetic, benzos. Neck and chest feel overfilled already from taking capsules.

Neverod: 20g in 75ml water, 48 hour meto regimen, 4 teaspoons magnesium milk, throat burns, drowsy.

Spiderman_32: 22g in 68g water, stat dose of 3 buccastem m (3mg).

trynacbt: 48 hour regimen meto, 400mg ibuprofen, 3mg Lexotan, 800mg Tagamet, slight burning at back of throat, fast heartbeat, some nausea, feel thirsty, really peaceful, feel sedated, limbs heavy, anxious, drowsy.

Kvothe_alThor: 20g, 48 hour regimen with meto, 300mg ranitidine, after 3 minutes fast heartbeat, feel dizzy but no pain.

shango: 15g, stat dose of 30mg meto, fasted all day, in a hotel.

EBEN30: SN and Omeprazole.

JordT: 20g in 50ml water, 48 hour regimen with meto, ranitidine, oxycodone, diazepam.

Bumblebee: 20g in 50ml water, 48 hour regimen with meto, ranitidine, oxycodone, diazepam.

Karangel25: ~20g in 100ml water, meto.

melanar: 20g, 48 hour regimen with meto, alprazolam.

NeCkDeEp: 2-3 tablespoons SN in 100ml water, 1000mg ibuprofen, anxiolytics, 3 Rennie, 3 sleeping pills, fast heartbeat, drowsy.

heylightiforgot: tablespoon of SN, stat dose antiemetic, 20mg diazepam, acid reducer.

peaceminusbts: 20g in 50/100ml water, 48 hour regimen domperidone, 3 x 45mg ranitidine, 8 hour fasting.

LuxelDrief: 22g in 70ml water, stat dose meto, 800mg cimetidine, 8 hour fast, metamizol.

Davy: 25g, stat dose meto, zantac, lorazepam.

timetogo: 2 tablespoons in 50ml water, 3 x 75mg ranitidine, fast for 36 hours, throat warm, heaving but not vomiting, do not feel nauseous, hands falling asleep, pain, vomiting swallow back, cannot breathe.

Lunaemoth: 20g, 48 hour regimen meto, 800mg of Tagamet, ibuprofen, feel dizzy, fast loud heartbeat, overheated but hands cold and shaky, pale, nauseous, almost blacked out getting up, feel better laying down.

Kakabushi: 48 hour regimen meto.

Tristesse: Haven't pass out yet 16min after taking SN, the heart rate raised a lot, now the eyesight is a little influenced, dizzy and ringing in the ears now.

Funkygibbon: SN in 20 capsules, vomited but had recently eaten, turned blue, no pain, vision going spotty.

Whatshername: 48 hours regimen meto, acid reducers, Xanax.

Northerngirl1965: 10g in 100ml water, 48 hour regimen meto, 800mg Tagamet, Benadryl, Kalm tab.

Purple777: 15g in 100ml water, 48 hour regime meto, 800mg Tagamet, Xanax, 12 hour fast.

Jackblade: 20g in ~70ml water, stat dose domperidone (3 x 10mg), omeprazole (1 x 10mg).

Kemis: 30g, 48 hour regimen cyclizine (3 x 50mg per day), pepto bismol, Ranitidine (4 x 75mg), Zantac.

Spartacus00: 10g in water, 32 pills SN (each holds 0.5g), vomited, headache, shaky.

Kukubananas: 3 teaspoons SN (approx.. 17-18g), 100mg of dimenhydrinate, 50 mg of meclizine, 800mg of Tagamet, fasted for about 18 hours, fast heartbeat, very nauseous, no headache, cannot breathe, vomited, back of throat hurts, keep coughing, dizzy, stomach feels funny, hot, hard to concentrate, like being drunk, nausea passed after a while, hands shaky, body feels heavy, no energy, feel faint.

Rocksandsand: 20g, stat dose meto, benzos, antacid, did not fast, slight stomach discomfort, vomited.

bubbletea: 20g, stat dose domperidone (30mg), 10mg diazepam, fast heartbeat.

Vegrau: 20g, no antiemetic, cimetidine 800mg, lorazepam 6mg, fasted 24 hours.

Lunar: 15g in 60ml of water, stat dose meto (40mg), 4 x 75g Ranitidine, 1000mg Ibuprofen, fasted 8 hours, fast heartbeat, no pain, sleepy and relaxed.

Karangel25: 30g, 48 hour regimen meto.

Cloudz: 20g in 125ml water, stat dose 30mg meto, Tagamet 800mg, fast heartbeat.

Zal: 12 capsules SN, no antiemetic, feel a bit under the weather, high pulse.

Oblivion Lover: 25g, 48 hour regime meto, Cimetidine 200mg, Lorazepam 2mg, 8 hour fasting.

AnxiouslyDepressed: 20g in 50ml water, 48 hour regimen meto, 1mg clonazepam, 120mg propranolol, 1mg Xanax, 4mg diazepam, 1000mg paracetamol, 20ml Milk of Magnesia, 8 hour fast, gagged slightly due to salty taste, dizzy, no nausea.

SoupSnakes: 25g in 50ml water, 48 hour regimen meto, 1g paracetamol, 100mg amitriptyline, 800mg Tagamet, 8 hour fast.

daikon: 48 hour regimen meto, 400mg ibuprofen, klonopin.

peaceminusbts: 20g in 100ml water, 48 hour regimen domperidone, rantadine, fasting for 8 hours.

Kronos: 25g, 10 hour regimen meto, 200mg propranolol, 1000mg paracetamol.

SpecialK: 21g, stat dose 300mg of Quietiapine, 2x 400mg of Advil, 2 Gravol, 2 Tagamet, almost vomited after drinking, fast heartbeat, drifting away, vision blurry.

Readytoendit: 20g, no antiemetic, 800mg Tagamet, advil, slight headache and nausea after 3 minutes, not a great deal of pain, felt peaceful about the decision.

Escaper Boy: 20g, stat dose meto, cimetidine.

epil: 20g, no antiemetic, 900mg ranitidine

Godofdeathftw: 48 hour regimen meto, Zoltan, fasted 8 hours.

isam: stat dose meto, 1000mg paracetamol.

SS UNSUCCESSFUL

drakewantstogo: 17g, stat dose of 30mg metoclopramide, 225mg Zantac, fasted for more than 8 hours, after 5 minutes vomited 3 times, after 15 minutes did not feel drowsy, felt happy and excited at first but then felt anxiety, mild dissociation, blindness, felt bad – pain 6/10, called emergency services, arrived 45 minutes after intake.

Querry1: 15g in 60ml water, stat dose of weak antiemetic, fasted for 6 hours, heart beating fast, vomited after 20 minutes, after 30 minutes felt unbearable pain 6-7/10, called emergency services, blacked out after 1 hour.

Mortalscreensaver: 10g, no antiemetic or acid regulator but fasted for 24 hours, slowly sipped liquid and did not finish, lips turned blue, felt dizzy when walking, fainted after 10 minutes.

clover: 50g, baking soda as acid inhibitor, no fasting, wasn't able to finish drink because of saltiness and drowsiness, tried to walk but felt weak and collapsed, found by girlfriend, felt nauseous and "out of it," lost consciousness and had seizures, emergency services called, no permanent damage.

21Neberg: 20g in 150ml water, no antiemetic, no antacid, 24 hour fast, lips turned blue, fainted 10 minutes later, did not finish glass, still sipping it when found, dizzy when walking, found by mother, emergency services called, fully recovered

ultraviolet sin: 20g drank over an hour, regimen meto, Xanax, no fasting, didn't vomit, didn't hurt, felt euphoric, found by police in hotel room 1 hour 40 minutes after, "out of it" while being treated.

Mich517: 20g in 100ml DMSO, vomited a lot, similar to partial hanging, vision affected, felt like passing out, convulsions, hands shaking, fell as stood up, not fully conscious, slept it off, no pain, nausea.

X-Kid: 2 tablespoons in 1.5 cups water, had two sips, 8mg ondansetron afterward, felt fine but burning in nostrils, unconscious after 20 minutes, no pain, roommate found him passed out with blue/grey face and called emergency services, doctors claimed would be dead if not found.

Lotus: 20g, stat dose antiemetic, fasted all day, loss of vision/vision blurred, vomited after 20 minutes then felt no pain, fast heartbeat, passed out, police came into room after last sip as someone had called emergency services.

Divine Trinity: Took SN and other than the burning sensations (minor to me), I can't remember much after lying down. The burning is similar to acid reflux in the oesophagus and stomach, slightly worse since it lingers. Only reason I survived was because someone called the cops after I was under, woke up handcuffed to the hospital bed.

axorz: 17g, stat dose of meto, benzos, Tagamet, 8 hour fast. Vomited immediately after drinking, lost consciousness after about 10 seconds, brother called ambulance. No long term consequences.

Jen0804: SN mixed with orange juice. After effects – alopecia, hair started coming out within that same week and continued until June. It's slowly growing back now, periods stopped completely so I believe it can mess up hormones/endocrine - not sure about long term fertility or male fertility etc., immediately after taking it and the whole two weeks after, my kidneys and bowels just weren't functioning, also couldn't feel hunger. I ate an apple and two bites of a hospital sandwich for a whole week or so (drank as normal) but I was so not hungry.

Funkygibbon: 8 or 9 SN in capsules, went outside for a cigarette, within 10mins I was found because a neighbour walked past, my lips were blue and I was ghostly white, my only symptoms were a massive headache, I didn't feel sick or anything, my neighbour called an ambulance.

L0ne1ygh0st: 15g in 100ml water, no antiemetic, stat dose quetiapine, vomited, sore throat, headache, fast heartbeat but peaceful, boyfriend found her and called emergency services.

zajebistakaczka: 20g, 48 hour regimen of meto, alprazolam, 2mg Xanax.

Ifisieyoung: no antiemetic, vomited, sleepy, hot, didn't realise how fast it would work and someone found me, would recommend this method and I will be trying it again this weekend.

Eden2k: SN in sips at first, felt nauseous but didn't vomit, gulped down the rest, vomited in 10 minutes, severe headache, pain in my lower part of my back and stomach cramps probably down to vomiting, hadn't eaten or taken anti-acid or antiemetics, assumed it hadn't worked so lied down because I had the headache from hell, woke up early hours the next day, looked in the mirror, discolouration of skin, tried to get out of bed but stumbled and knocked things down, other customers in the hotel room next door reporting loud crashing from my room, hotel staff let themselves in when they couldn't get a response, had passed out on the floor.

Minudah: 5 teaspoons in ½ cup DMSO, ¾ rubbed into skin, no antiemetics, abdominal pain, mouth dry, dizzy, lethargic, weak, vision going black, headache, bad chest pains, muscle pains, fatigue, nauseous, stiffness, shaking, called emergency services.

Suicidal4Ever: 3 teaspoons in 100ml water, no antiemetic, 3 x benzo, had drunk alcohol, tired, doubt if I've taken enough, vomited 3 hours after taking, heart felt it was going to burst out of chest, went to sleep, woke with hangover, headache, head ringing, eyes pulsing, blue lips and fingernails, continued vomiting next day but almost back to normal.

Notf1xable: 25g in 100ml water, no antiemetic, zolfran, antacid, 8 hour fast, vomited after drinking, burned going down, didn't finish full dose, lay down, sweaty, dizzy, vision affected, sore body like flu, feeling out of it, called emergency services.

NEWS ARTICLES

Wira Wahyudi Sinuraya died after ingested 100 times safe amount.

Robert Laurie Coates died after SN ingestion.

Joshua Barton died after SN ingestion.

Juanita Ainsley died after SN ingestion.

20 year old girl died after SN ingestion.

Inezi Scychocki Serafine 20g in 200ml of water.

Ashley Walker died after SN ingestion.

Teresa Sunna, 28 year old, died after SN ingestion, lethal dose for humans is set at around 22 milligrams per kilo of body weight.

Brett Stevens and a 24-year-old woman found dead at AirBnB in Scotland.

Shawn Shatto was found blue, cold, lying on the floor, she wasn't breathing.

SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES (SUCCESSFUL)

17 year old dental nurse died after taking a single 1g tablet of sodium nitrite.

A man in his 30s who had exhibited mild depression was found dead in his house. At autopsy, the lividity of the face and back was greenish grey, and the blood was tinted a chocolate brown colour. Level of methemoglobin was 83.4% by spectrophotometry.

A case of methemoglobinemia caused by the accidental contamination of drinking-water with sodium nitrite. The patient had a MetHb concentration of 49%. The amount of sodium nitrite ingested was estimated to be 0.7g.

Two cases of fatal methemoglobinemia resulting from ingestion of laxative solution inadvertently contaminated with sodium nitrite are described. Postmortem toxicological examination revealed methemoglobin levels in excess of 75% in both patients – a level that is uniformly fatal. The laxative solution was found to contain sodium nitrite instead of sodium sulfate at a concentration of 15 g/L. The pathophysiology of methemoglobinemia and a review of other reported cases of toxic methemoglobinemia are presented. Marked cyanosis in the face of intact cardiorespiratory function should alert the physician to the possibility of toxic methemoglobinemia.

A 76-year-old man collapsed and rapidly developed brady-asystolic cardiac arrest 25 min following self-poisoning with an unknown quantity of crystalline sodium nitrite. On arrival in the ED the patient was asystolic with cardiopulmonary resuscitation in progress. Haemoglobin concentration was 110 g/L, arterial methaemoglobin measured 82.6% and serum lactate 9.6 mmol/L. Antioxidative treatment was undertaken with total 5 mg/kg intravenous methylene blue administered in divided aliquots. Despite prolonged resuscitative efforts the patient died.

SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES (UNSUCCESSFUL)

A 23-year-old female presented to the emergency department after intentionally ingesting an unspecified amount of sodium nitrate. She presented by ambulance to the hospital profoundly cyanotic and unresponsive. The patient's initial methemoglobin level was 92.7%.

A 52-year-old male was transported to hospital after being found at home by family, unconscious and slumped awkwardly for approximately 24 hours. After treatment reported chest pains, kidney injury due to SN, deep vein thrombosis, cognitive impairment (unclear if this was due to past history of ECT or SN).

Sodium nitrite ingestion for suicidal attempt, presented in unconsciousness, shock and deeply cyanosed condition. He was pulseless and had no recordable BP with methemoglobin level of 77%. He completely recovered after two days. Survival in a case of methemoglobinemia with extremely high level of methemoglobin, non-recordable BP and deep cyanosis is rarely reported.

Poisoning with sodium nitrite in three family members after eating homemade sausages given to them by their neighbour who was a butcher. The concentration of sodium nitrite in the homemade sausages was about 3.5g per 1kg of meat, almost 30 times higher than allowed according to legislation. A 70-year-old man died about 7 hours after consuming the meal, while two women, 53 and 67 years of age, respectively, were admitted to a toxicology clinic the following day due to food poisoning, with the maximum concentration of MHb in blood of 33.7 and 20.4%, respectively. They were discharged 3 days later. The autopsy of the deceased man showed sodium nitrite poisoning with a relatively low concentration of MHb in his blood – 9.87%. Death was attributed to the exacerbation of hypertensive and ischemic heart disease, resulting from accidental sodium nitrite poisoning.
 
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hadenough

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SCIENTIFIC ARTICLES (UNSUCCESSFUL) cont...

11 men, aged 60 to 80, had been admitted to hospital with cyanosis and shock. In each instance illness occurred within 5 to 30 minutes after eating breakfast. They became dizzy, felt weak, and complained of abdominal cramps. Eight of them vomited and all had diarrhoea. Five of them became unconscious shortly after onset of symptoms. They had subnormal temperatures, cold extremities, and low blood pressures. In addition, all had cyanosis. All but one patient recovered. This man, age 82, died the following morning. Autopsy revealed bronchopneumonia. The only other abnormal finding was a diffuse mahogany brown discoloration of the organs.

A 28-year-old man was brought to our emergency department because of transient loss of consciousness and cyanosis. He was immediately intubated and ventilated with 100% oxygen. A blood test revealed a methemoglobin level of 92.5%. Outcome. We treated the patient with gastric lavage, activated charcoal, and methylene blue (2 mg/kg) administered intravenously. Soon after receiving methylene blue, his cyanosis resolved and the methemoglobin level began to decrease. After relocation to the intensive care unit, his consciousness improved and he could recall ingesting approximately 15 g sodium nitrite about 1 hour before he was brought to our hospital. The patient was discharged on day 7 without neurologic impairment.

A woman in her 20s was brought to the casualty clinic due to symptoms of psychosis, and it was deemed necessary to section her. While she was there, she drank two small bottles of reagents that she found in a Strep test kit. She then became somnolent and her oxygen saturation decreased. Guidance from the Poisons Information Centre was required for rapid clarification and correct treatment.

We present two patients who were treated for an intentional overdose of sodium nitrite. When ingested sodium nitrite leads to severe methaemoglobinaemia, resulting in severe hypoxia (as methaemoglobin does not transport oxygen), vasodilation and hypotension. Symptoms include cyanosis, headache, nausea, convulsions, coma and death. When measured by pulse oximetry, patients with a sodium nitrite intoxication and severe methaemoglobinaemia generally have an oxygen saturation of around 85%. This value is unreliable as the oxygen content of the blood is often extremely low - this can be confirmed by arterial blood gas analysis. Treatment of sodium nitrite intoxication consists of intravenous administration of methylthioninium chloride 1-2 mg/kg. Methylthioninium chloride converts the methaemoglobin back to haemoglobin.
 
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hadenough

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Aug 24, 2019
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Most of these are self-assessments, are they not? If there were painful or violent symptoms, the individual would be too incapacitated to report on the experience.

Yes these are all anecdotal. Some of the unsuccessful have reported pain and other symptoms after recovery, those assumed successful have not returned.
Is diarrhoea a side effect? I haven't seen that mentioned before.

The only report of diarrhoea is in a scientific journal (11 men, aged 60 to 80, had been admitted to hospital with cyanosis and shock).
 
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issyishere

issyishere

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Nov 5, 2019
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it seems rare but not out of the ordinary, the body's natural response to anything harmful is to expel it either through vomiting or the other end. i wonder if that would cause an attempt to fail though.
 
Rhyme

Rhyme

Sleep now and carry on into the black of the night
Jan 18, 2020
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notjustyetagain has also compiled a similar list HERE in google doc format, and Lotus1818's documentation of Moonicide's CTB HERE in a more easily readable format.
 
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can'tdoitanymore

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Oct 31, 2019
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it seems rare but not out of the ordinary, the body's natural response to anything harmful is to expel it either through vomiting or the other end. i wonder if that would cause an attempt to fail though.
I wonder if taking immodium would help prevent that but that might slow down the absorption of it.
 
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Carrotcake

Carrotcake

Experienced
Nov 27, 2019
265
I have a question regarding unsuccessful SN attempts. I'm reading a lot that if you fail, you won't have any brain damage.

However, in my understanding, SN works to induce methemoglobinemia. Which leads to oxygen deprivation. So, eventually, the brain is deprived of oxygen as well, right?

So how come there is no oxygen deprivation caused brain damage in SN survivors?
 
WhyIsLife56

WhyIsLife56

Antinatalism + Efilism ❤️
Nov 4, 2019
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My sense sfter reading Moonicide's experience is thst is is not painless but is effective. Is that the general impression folks have? Sorry, it's hard fir me to take in al thise case studies.
Yes. Discomfort is to be expected as with any method. But if well researched and planned well, it is effective.
 
Quarky00

Quarky00

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Dec 17, 2019
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However, in my understanding, SN works to induce methemoglobinemia. Which leads to oxygen deprivation. So, eventually, the brain is deprived of oxygen as well, right? So how come there is no oxygen deprivation caused brain damage in SN survivors?
Other organs die first .

SN FAQ - Death

What's the medical state?
  • hemolytic anemia, "blood failure", or
  • anemic hypoxia, "blood fails to deliver oxygen".
Tissue slowly dies, but not due to lack of oxygen in cells (like cyanide) or lungs (like suffocation), rather due to 'bad blood' .
Is it like suffocation?No.
  • SN does not deprive oxygen from you body, but to individual cells within your body.
Will my brain continue to function?Yes.
  • Brain continues to function, even with 30% oxygen level. SN is a gradual slow process.
Will I feel death?No, if regime followed.
  • With low oxygen levels you faint and lose consciousness.
  • Brain goes into "sleep mode" – everything keeps working, but you fall asleep.
. . . . .
Will I have permanent damage?NO – You either die or recover
  • Due to mode of action – slow cell/tissue death until total collapse. In the meantime everything is working.
 
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WhyIsLife56

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Nov 4, 2019
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Great work and compilation from @hadenough. Thank you ! :)


Note the other is just members, while this includes news/patient cases, and member list not identical in two lists.. Someone need to join them together.
There needs to be one gigantic SN post pinned.
 
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hadenough

Student
Aug 24, 2019
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Great work and compilation from @hadenough. Thank you ! :)


Note the other is just members, while this includes news/patient cases, and member list not identical in two lists.. Someone need to join them together.

Thanks @Quarky00, I wanted to put together a brief reference to all the reports in one post and have worked on this for a few days getting the info together. The other post has more details, I wanted to simplify it and try to show why some were successful and others not.
 
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JSauter

Experienced
Oct 14, 2019
207
There is this case memeber Dartz that said he took Sn, did not vomit but it failed him: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...-sn-instead-thoughts.27120/page-2#post-493277 and https://sanctioned-suicide.net/members/dartz.1003/#profile-post-comment-17907. This is not here, do you know why that is?

Take the anecdotal experiences on this forum with a grain of salt, including the 'successes'. Note: the criteria for a (non-confirmed) success on a lot of these lists is simply an individual saying, "I'm dizzy, I'm going to lay down." Then either being banned from the admins or not logging in. it's a futile ledger.
 
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MsMaudlin

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This is the fierce last stand of all I am
Dec 8, 2019
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Thankyou for this ❤
 
Terminally ill

Terminally ill

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May 27, 2019
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Theres another failed attempt with SN that you could add , here is the thread of Kaluka: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/my-experience-with-sn.13654/
 
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hadenough

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Aug 24, 2019
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Take the anecdotal experiences on this forum with a grain of salt, including the 'successes'. Note: the criteria for a (non-confirmed) success on a lot of these lists is simply an individual saying, "I'm dizzy, I'm going to lay down." Then either being banned from the admins or not logging in. it's a futile ledger.

This is why I have put "assumed successful" as we cannot be 100% sure that they passed. This was just to put all the anecdotal info on the method in one place.

SN UNSUCCESSFUL

Kaluk: 20g in 100ml water, no antiemetics or benzos, fasted 13 hours but had a few beers, nauseous and dizzy, lost consciousness 20-30 minutes after taking SN, accidentally turned up stereo and complaint made to police about one hour after taking SN, resuscitated and sectioned for two weeks, doctors said would have died if taken in 30-40 minutes later.
 
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Sideswipe

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Nov 20, 2019
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This is a very well compiled resource. Thank you for the time and effort you have put into this. I described one well that I witnessed but it was not an active user of this site so no proof i'm sorry to say. Also comorbidities played a part in side effects and duration to death
This is a very well compiled resource. Thank you for the time and effort you have put into this. I described one well that I witnessed but it was not an active user of this site so no proof i'm sorry to say. Also comorbidities played a part in side effects and duration to death
 
notjustyetagain

notjustyetagain

Oct 28, 2019
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thank you, hadenough, for your lists, especially for the scientific/news reports. i've added gambardella, Karangel25, and tearygirl to my own "successes" doc; Divine Trinity, Kaluk, and X-Kid to my "failures" doc. couldn't find your info re Divine Trinity's attempt. couldn't even find a trace of Mortalscreensaver's attempt, so haven't added them -- do you have a link?

Take the anecdotal experiences on this forum with a grain of salt, including the 'successes'. Note: the criteria for a (non-confirmed) success on a lot of these lists is simply an individual saying, "I'm dizzy, I'm going to lay down." Then either being banned from the admins or not logging in. it's a futile ledger.
i definitely agree that a large grain of salt is required, but offer some minor contrasts:

aside from having one's name crossed out and never logging on again, what criteria are feasible for non-confirmed successes? like all (?) content on this site that isn't e.g. peer-reviewed/well-sourced data, i guess veracity is left to the credulity of the reader. before listing the attempts in my documents, i've strengthened the disclaimer and reminded readers not to expect others' experiences to match their own (should they attempt with SN) thanks to your feedback.

i don't agree that the endeavour is altogether futile though. dismissing potentially dead members' last-moments documentation as "futile" seems a bit harsh, considering that all confirmed successes start off as unconfirmed "successes". (admittedly, confirmed cases are rare.)

[FWIW, i can only speak for myself, but maintaining these lists/documents is not fun or rewarding. i'm maintaining mine because i'm extremely grateful to members who share their experiences, because my belief in members' honesty is greater than in members' dishonesty, and because i believe that the combined method details and experiences are more helpful than harmful to other members. but i might be completely misguided and would like to know if that's the case! since i'm naive, gullible, not insightful, etc. i'd truly appreciate anyone letting me know how/why an individual account or the documents as a whole are more harmful than helpful, more likely to be false than true, disrespectful, indignifying, etc., so i can delete individual accounts or the whole documents entirely. i sincerely enjoy being corrected (learning) and never want to put out information with a negative net impact for any reason... but i mess up often.]

thanks for sharing your POV and time. [EDIT: double-posted]
 
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JSauter

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Oct 14, 2019
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i definitely agree that a large grain of salt is required, but offer some minor contrasts:

aside from having one's name crossed out and never logging on again, what criteria are feasible for non-confirmed successes? like all (?) content on this site that isn't e.g. peer-reviewed/well-sourced data, i guess veracity is left to the credulity of the reader. before listing the attempts in my documents, i've strengthened the disclaimer and reminded readers not to expect others' experiences to match their own (should they attempt with SN) thanks to your feedback.

i don't agree that the endeavour is altogether futile though. dismissing potentially dead members' last-moments documentation as "futile" seems a bit harsh, considering that all confirmed successes start off as unconfirmed "successes". (admittedly, confirmed cases are rare.)

[FWIW, i can only speak for myself, but maintaining these lists/documents is not fun or rewarding. i'm maintaining mine because i'm extremely grateful to members who share their experiences, because my belief in members' honesty is greater than in members' dishonesty, and because i believe that the combined method details and experiences are more helpful than harmful to other members. but i might be completely misguided and would like to know if that's the case! since i'm naive, gullible, not insightful, etc. i'd truly appreciate anyone letting me know how/why an individual account or the documents as a whole are more harmful than helpful, more likely to be false than true, disrespectful, indignifying, etc., so i can delete individual accounts or the whole documents entirely. i sincerely enjoy being corrected (learning) and never want to put out information with a negative net impact for any reason... but i mess up often.]

thanks for sharing your POV and time. [EDIT: double-posted]

In my opinion, no criteria via posting is suitable in the absence of confirmation - not for something like this. That's why the ledger is futile. The criteria for a non confirmed success is ascertained by us here on SS : "Oh, she said she was dizzy and that she'd log off? And now her name is crossed off? Put her in the successes list."

i don't agree that the endeavour is altogether futile though. dismissing potentially dead members' last-moments documentation as "futile" seems a bit harsh, considering that all confirmed successes start off as unconfirmed "successes". (admittedly, confirmed cases are rare.)

The issue is that these lists acknowledge that the criteria for a non confirmed success is exactly the same as a failure: IE: Everyone who succeeded got dizzy and laid down. And so did everyone who failed. If they weren't banned minutes/hours after the testimonial, which they most often are, we use their login absence as confirmation of success - but anecdotal claims here suggest most failed attempts are due to being found and taken to hospitals and wards which lead to absences, anyway. We have no way to ascertain success from failure unless we deductively reason by the confirmation of failure: failures cannot be determined unless the individual tells us he failed. But most of these lists that categorize 'successes' do not follow from that deduction at all: They are literally a ledger of people saying, "I'm dizzy, I'm going to lay down." And being banned. They are often banned without the opportunity for a failure criteria. l'm not arguing the utility of those bans -- I get it. I understand why it's done. But documenting the 'succeses' of these events requires a context we don't have.

I mean, don't let me stop you. This is all just my opinion.

FWIW, i can only speak for myself, but maintaining these lists/documents is not fun or rewarding. i'm maintaining mine because i'm extremely grateful to members who share their experiences, because my belief in members' honesty is greater than in members' dishonesty

Honesty isn't the issue (although in a few cases I do think it could be). It's that we have no way to attain a failure criteria which is necessary to deduce success. The lack of ways to confirm the 'succeses' is the problem, not the honesty of the 'failure' accounts. The fact that this is all anecdotal and at the mercy of honesty/perception is secondary.

You make a good point: As imperfect as this all is, you see it as more beneficial than not. I can understand that. After all, including info on failure is substantive and adds something to the knowledge bank, even if the 'successes' list doesn't. Fair enough. The testimonials of failure have been valuable info for me and I know people appreciate what you're doing, so don't take my opinion too seriously.
 
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Jul 31, 2019
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You can add @Alchemist, a former moderator here, to your successful SN list.

Also @SprocketFiend. Someone I had communications with but did not announce her departure via a goodbye thread.
 
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I have 2 Simian Palms... DNA is F@£ked
Nov 20, 2019
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Witnessed sn in person if you wang to add (non member)
SPOILER// SN



9am 12 hr release anti inflammatory, 1 meto & Morphine

3:00pm 3x meto, 10mg diazapam 1x sevredol (morphine 4 hr slow release) taken

3:30pm SN DRANK (very slowly like a trickle speed over a few minutes)

3:45pm hyper salivating but no V+

4pm obvious weakness and pallor especially on lower extremities. Couldn't quite decide position of laying so helped into a comfortable place and spoken to etc, seemed very relaxed once reassurance was given that I was still there.

4:15pm breathing was more exaggerated but unconscious.

4:15-6pm unconscious and occasionally a whimper like that of someone dying naturally. Comfort given, settled and asleep. Reflexes diminished

6–6:15pm 10 final reflex breaths and head tilted peri arrest, no reflexes at all, bradycardia, grey skin

6:15pm Time of Death. Checked with stethascope, feeling for pulses and reflexes. All diminished

Disclaimer: This is what I observed and is not representative of everyone. Any views expressed here are solely observational and I am neither encouraging or coaxing anyone to try the same. You should like all of us seek help in any situation by calling a charity, seeing your Dr or going to the emergency room, A&E etc. Also I would like to add that the subject had liver problems and was anorexic as well as dehydrated. This can have an effect on symptoms and time like anyone, metabolism is different for all with many things to factor in. Any opinions expressed by myself are solely my own and not representative of anyone or anything else. I don't recommend you try this at home.
 
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tom90

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Oct 1, 2019
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Thank you for sharing this with us.
Now the more I read, the more I'm questioning sn method. This seems too long for me. Do you think from 4,15 to 6,15; was the person in any pain? Can you even feel pain while you are unconscious?
 
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Terminally ill

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May 27, 2019
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Thank you for sharing this with us.
Now the more I read, the more I'm questioning sn method. This seems too long for me. Do you think from 4,15 to 6,15; was the person in any pain? Can you even feel pain while you are unconscious?
I am afraid there is not such a thing as quick, confortable, peacefull and painless all at the same time. There will always be a degree of disconfort, the human body is hard to kill. I guess you need to compare a couple of more hours compared to years and years
 

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