HighFlight

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I might have made a mistake about suggesting taking some of this conversation to Discord. Since then, this thread seems to have begun to die out. I'm sorry for that, as we've had a good group of people actively participating, and several more lurking.

I made home ok Saturday morning after a week in California for a software training bootcamp. I find it very hard to spend so much time with hard-core, type A personalities. While the training was interesting (I love learning new things), several parts were well over my head. Plus the expected social time each evening made the whole week physically and emotionally draining.

I discovered one of the people in the class is a part-time evangelical minister. Had dinner with him a few nights, and it was hard finding social things to discuss. I got the feeling his way of dealing with MH issues is "just suck it up". It made the week even harder knowing I had to be careful and watch what I say.

It's back to the usual groundhog day tomorrow. Still not sure how we'll break out of the cycle, and it's effect on me seems to be getting worse. I'm not sure how to explain it, but the more I know, the worse the problem seems. Maybe it's a normal progression, but I can only handle so much.

And now I feel like I'm losing touch with people ilr and virtually. Maybe the first ketamine trip was correct, I'm destin to be isolated and alone.

Regardless, I do wish all of you the very best. And remember to #BeKindToYourself. ❤️
 
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sadwriter

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@HighFlight55 Glad to hear that you've made it home safe. I know what you mean regarding "hard-core, type A personalities"– I've spent enough time around premed students to know how exhausting people like that can be. And it's so frustrating to hear from people with a "just suck it up" attitude. I once asked a guy in my organic chemistry class how he managed to do so well and never get depressed given all the pressures we were under and he said, and I quote, "I never get depressed. It's too sad. What's the point?". 🤦‍♂️ Some people really just don't get it. And it must not have been fun having to deal with that emotional burden of constantly being around people who don't get it when you're already having a stressful week.

I'm also sad to see the thread is losing steam, but hopefully it'll pick up again soon. I've simultaneously started to feel worried about becoming the one person who's always ranting on here more than anyone else and feel positive about the fact that I'm doing my part to keep the thread alive, ha!

That being said, I don't have too much to report today. I'm starting to level off again after feeling especially mad at myself the past couple days. I spent a few hours being ridiculously anxious over a text that I had to send out, but other than that I've been more relaxed and less dissociative than I've felt in a while– still really depressed, but no longer shitty to the point of having chest pain. I've also managed to do a little bit of writing for the first time in ages, which was a really good thing.
 
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jlwww08271965

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What your take on this? Should we make one?
Yes.. I think so! I would like one and it sounds like some other folks do too. I also have some Tips and latest treatments I'd like to share with others. I feel I've improved some since my son died, but still not out of the woods. Peace ☮️ to all.
 
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@jlwww08271965 - Welcome! You've come to the right place. Venin's original question has morphed into a full recovery thread. The original goal was to have everyone post what they're recovery vow is, and provide daily updates. However, we've made it much more informal.

Feel free to post whatever you'd like to share with the group - whether a simple "hello world", an update on your day, or something you're currently struggling with. Several of us monitor the thread and reply with our own thoughts, but it's really community driven. Anyone is welcome to add their thoughts and opinions to the thread as well.

Go ahead and just add to this thread if you'd like, sharing any recovery tips that may have worked for you, or information about the latest treatment options. If the group thinks we have something worthy of its own thread, we can work with the mods to pin a treatment-specific thread to the recovery forum.
 
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@UsagiDrop Thank you for your words; I totally understand that it's easier to give others the advice or kindness you should take yourself. I often feel the same, really. For what it's worth, I appreciate that you go out of your way to share that with everyone you can on the thread! It's refreshing.
I'm learning German, since that's where my fiancé lives and where I intend to move next year/we'll get legally married (the exact timeline is up in the air, could be as early as April or as late as Oct/Nov). Uprooting my life to a foreign country seems scary, but it's not like I have anything tying me here (I've tried). I have hope for getting my health under control, as there are even PMDD specialists near him. And that's my biggest hurdle, "disability" as a result of my condition(s).

@sadwriter Thank you!
I can relate to a lot of what you said here, especially being up and down.
I just want to say, even if it took longer than you believe it should've to change or improve things, it's great that you were able to at all. Not everyone does, or they stay in denial of the problem indefinitely. I also understand the anger that comes with it, if my comprehension is any good these days, when your circumstances make it seemingly "easy" to have just fixed it. But hindsight is always 20/20.
I hope that these things will improve with time, but sooner rather than later. ❤️

I've already written a book, but my productivity has been diminished again, thanks to illness. I'm usually not quick to rush to the doctor, however, this time I got a cough so severe/frequent I'm unable to do much, even sleep uninterrupted. And somehow I've developed an (unspecified for now) respiratory infection, possibly pneumonia.

This is bad for a number of reasons: I live with someone high risk and I don't know if it's contagious, I have an underactive thyroid/occassional "episodes" of struggles with breathing, and if I were to be hospitalized (no fever yet and I've started antibiotics, but it seems it's getting worse) I don't have insurance+live in the USA. AND if that wasn't bad enough, I have a long flight ahead in 2weeks. Meanwhile, depending on severity these things can take weeks or months to recover fully from. Being this sensitive to air pressure, it's not a good combo.

I'm trying to stay positive, but between hitting the "bad weeks" of my cycle, my fiancé being so stressed with uni/work/everything else and burnt out to spend much time with me, the uncertainty of our trip I've been waiting months for, and now being this ill I can't be productive at all to distract myself, is certainly pushing me closer to mental breakdown. I'm too paranoid to touch anything I can't disinfect later lest it's actually contagious. And I worry it's something worse, not having a proper diagnosis. :(
 
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lita-lassi

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Sep 25, 2023
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heeyyyyyyy miss you guys 🖤 thank you for keeping this thread rolling. id much rather be on here than a discord tbh. happy to read your updates. @HighFlight55 , youre not alone, we love you and care about you, even if virtual friendship feels more distant and insecure. im sorry california was hard, being surrounded by those types is incredibly draining and i cant imagine having to do that for a week straight. great job making it through :) groundhog day does end at some point, there may be ways to do this on your terms in small steps without disrupting your families stability or happiness. what those are, only you can know and decide. i hope things improve 🖤 love you dude

@sadwriter , very glad to hear youre feeling better than chest pains and got some writing done :)) it wound up being one of the most cathartic methods i had for coping with a lot of things going on over the last 2 years, i should've done more. personally it can feel really hard to sit and start making the words come out without my brain intruding with a million terrible things but sometimes the momentum kicks up and before you know it there's a short story or a very nice journal entry filling pages staring back and things feel... lighter. i had plenty of chest pain issues myself when things were at their darkest, literally rubbing my own skin a bit raw from feeling like my ribs were clamping down on my sternum, that horrible tightness that won't go away :( so glad you're a bit past that point. my friend whos also extremely anxious and i used to message each other about "oh FUCK i g c gyy to make a phone call/ send this nerve-wracking text eventually" and procrastinate for as long as possible about it. both of us would pace around our homes ceaselessly, in his case chainsmoking the entire time lol. im still terrible about phone calls (like i should be on the phone with medicaid right the fuck now actually) and i know text is different since you get to stare at it for a while but the result can be no less terrifying. that feeling of relief we know comes eventually (most of the time) can be the only help sometimes. have you tried journaling about the anxieties before sending a message and the feelings/results after? idk if thats up your alley, just a possible suggestion, i know its helped lots of people in similar anxiety loops

as for me, i got lucky and found a lawyer who i cant say the name of or who he worked with previously but oh my god its a fucking hilarious set of circumstances that i also used to work briefly with the same person he did, given who that mutual individual is. i wish i could be less confidential because i cant stop snorting out loud every time i think about it. but hes helping me out for free and its amazing. i now have a very scary letter i can use and hes dedicated to following through however else he can help me out. i wasnt expecting more than a referral at absolute best when i mentioned a civil suit to him. all he did was hear my story and jumped into action free of charge being like "nah fuck this guy imma scare the piss outta him" lmao

getting a bunch more of that legal paperwork dealt with today, need to arrange the best methods to have my property retrieved and delivered (which is going to cost so much money i dont have 😭), lease application finalization, health insurance, my cat has had diarrhea for more than 3 days so thats scary 😮‍💨 guys im tired lol but every minute i spend talking to lawyer and progressing, even if its scary as shit to think about what could happen given my ex is an absolutely fucking insane vindictive asshole about all this, i feel better and more hopeful ill at least get my heirlooms back. i have to keep reminding myself i will likely lose some of my own important things and they can't compare to getting back my families property at large. its hard but necessary. i want my future and i want to be done with this shit chapter.

hang in there and keep kicking lifes ass guys 🖤 special love to @UsagiDrop for being a gem ❤️‍🔥
 
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Wow, I think this might be the only thread left on SS where users still interact with each other's posts in a meaningful way. What a nice refreshment.
 
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Wow, I think this might be the only thread left on SS where users still interact with each other's posts in a meaningful way. What a nice refreshment.
It both does my heart good to hear this and makes me sad for the rest of SS, hahaha.


@jlwww08271965 welcome to the thread!

@ColorlessTrees thank you for the kind words– it's definitely helpful to remember that recognizing a problem alone is a good thing, better late than never. I'm really sorry to hear that you've gotten sick so close to your big trip... it does sound like you have a ton of really stressful stuff compounding all at once. The fact that you're able to try and stay positive right now is impressive to me given the circumstances. I hope that you don't have to go to the hospital and have as swift of a recovery as possible.

@lita-lassi it's so awesome that you found a lawyer who is willing to help you, free of charge no less!! It sounds like things are going as well as they can at this point given how shitty the circumstances are, and I hope that you're able to retrieve as much of your stuff as possible and that your ex gets his ass handed to him when you go to court. And it's great that you also write! I was super prolific around this time last year, but since the spring all of my emotional energy has pretty much been directed towards therapy/ doing the work outside of therapy and focusing on my career/ finishing school. I guess the silver lining of my career & graduation going on hold because of my mental health is that I finally have more time to write again, lol.

Still nothing much on my end, which is probably for the better at this point. I'm grateful that my physical pain is gone now that I'm not actively super mad at myself anymore. I thought I'd messed up my back on one side from sitting around too much over the past month, but as it turns out that pain was pretty much entirely from anger and anxiety. It's pretty insane given the fact that the muscle felt like it was inflamed... yet it's completely back to normal now after only a few days.
 
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@sadwriter I appreciate your support! Reading through the thread a bit later, I feel silly for only addressing your previous post. I'm really scattered today, but I guess that's typical for me.

Moreso, I wanted to add that I like seeing your contributions. I've been around here and there, but that's mostly due to forgetting to log on. If everything wasn't so blurry now, I'd probably be venting frequently as well, so I wouldn't worry about being the only one. I also dont think there's anything wrong with that—the thread is here to share our thoughts and circumstances, as well as achievements, and to recieve support after all.
I'll try to contribute more often, or at least to read everyone's messages, because I do really like all the people here.
I prefer the "forum style" discussion to Discord myself, so I do hope it will stay somewhat active here.

And finally, I'm glad you were able to get some writing done. Whatever your subject matter, it can be very therapeutic, albeit difficult at times.

I wish you all well❤
 
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will try and interact on here more instead of just lurking haha
I know how hard it is to say anything, because I'm a lurker too. 😅 But thank you for lurking and reading at least some of the thread, because it's like you've been in the room hanging out with us anyway! The more, the merrier. Hopefully one day, you'll feel safe and comfortable in interacting with others on the forum. I'm sure all of us would love to hear from you sometimes!
I might have made a mistake about suggesting taking some of this conversation to Discord. Since then, this thread seems to have begun to die out. I'm sorry for that, as we've had a good group of people actively participating, and several more lurking.
I don't think you've made a mistake. The server is a nice place to lurk or interact with others, I think lots of valuable things are shared in there. I also think this thread may hit highs and lows with activity even if we weren't on it. We still have a pretty solid group of people here, but sometimes there may be periods where all of our troubles may overlap and things can go quiet from time to time. The server is like a supplement but it's definitely a different space than this one, I still think it's good thing that some of us are in both places.

I'm happy to hear that you've returned home safely and that you've had a decent trip overall. Although the parts that suck do really suck; type A personality people are draining, but honestly they entertain me a little bit, too, because they are just so different from what I am.

Most of all, it's good that you got to do something that you enjoy, which is learning new things. Maybe some things flew over your head, but that's okay. It just means that there's much more to discover and figure out!
And now I feel like I'm losing touch with people ilr and virtually. Maybe the first ketamine trip was correct, I'm destin to be isolated and alone.
I don't believe this can be true. I think a lot of people would understand diminished communication given certain circumstances; working, for example, or depression, or just getting lost in life (it is a pretty easy thing to get lost in). I would hope that when I lose touch with some people, that I won't stop meaning something to them. I haven't experienced this from someone very close to me, yet.

You mean a lot, not just to us in this thread, but to your family, friends and more people than you know, no matter how little you've been able to reach out lately. I hope that you will have better days, and that you'll have the energy and time to talk to the people that mean a lot to you when you're ready to do that. Or, maybe you can shoot quick messages to let people know you're still thinking of them despite not communicating often. That might ease both your mind and your friends'.
I've simultaneously started to feel worried about becoming the one person who's always ranting on here more than anyone else and feel positive about the fact that I'm doing my part to keep the thread alive, ha!
Aww, but we love to hear from you!
That being said, I don't have too much to report today.
I always say that no news can be good news. I'm happy that you've been having what sounds like better days these days. Isn't it funny how our bodies will hold all of our resentment and pain in it? You'd think it should just stick to your head, but nope, when you're doing really bad, it finds really weird ways to manifest the mental anguish into physical pain. I'm sure it must be a relief to get rid of your chest and back pain at least a little. Stretching regularly may also help with things, if you still feel some pain in your body. And maybe this is more motivation to get back to working out?

It's wonderful that you found the time and energy to write! I hope you're able to keep on writing when you can.
Have you seen the "advice to not be so hard on myself" thread? I ended up bookmarking it because everyone on the thread had a lot of wise words to say to the OP, and I think maybe it could be helpful for you as well.
Thank you for your kind words on this. I actually did go to check out this thread and there really are some gems in there. I also remember @parader mentioning their way of trying go stop the negative self-talk and I'm doing the same by actively trying to reframe my meaner thoughts as they pop up, but I don't even know. It always feels so fake? Like the first thought was the truth and the second one is a lie that I'm telling myself to feel better. I guess it's only natural for it to feel that way until it becomes a habit.

The very last post on that thread interested me, because someone suggested to journal. Just get all of the negative statements and feelings out, and then when you're in a better space, you can review it and correct it, and question whether or not you would evaluate someone else in the same way. I feel like I do that all the time with my journal entries, haha, so many of them are just me cursing myself when I turn to a random page. I would never talk to anyone like how the voice in my head talks to me. But I never really tried to correct those entries, though. Just kind of read it again and again and said, "oh yeah, sounds about right."

I think I want to start up another journal where I can work on rewriting those entries with different thoughts and different perspectives. I don't always feel the same way now, so it would be worth a shot when I'm in better spaces.
Uprooting my life to a foreign country seems scary, but it's not like I have anything tying me here (I've tried). I have hope for getting my health under control, as there are even PMDD specialists near him. And that's my biggest hurdle, "disability" as a result of my condition(s).
It definitely is scary. I did the same thing for my fiancé and that is, unfortunately, what ultimately lead me to this forum. I won't elaborate on that because I don't want to discourage you. Instead, I will focus on the beautiful things about moving your entire life to a new country.

It's literally like starting a brand new life. If you want to, you get to be an entirely different person, or the person that you always wanted to be. At least, you can work on it without having people that only know the old you around to scare you out of things or keep you tethered to that old version of yourself. A brand new country has so many things to explore; new people, new stories, new cultures and customs, new food (this is probably the best part), new sceneries, new ways to enjoy the sunset, new ways to see the sunrise. It's scary because you'll feel like a small fish in an even bigger pond, and that will be true, but that's a good thing because it means your world just got bigger! You said that you don't have many things rooting you to your current place, anyway, so it's a fresh chance to spread your roots deep in a bigger pot with new soil that may nourish you more than your old one ever did. Lots to look forward to!

I also think it's an advantage that you won't be doing it alone. You have the love and support of your fiancé, so I hope that things won't be as spooky as you're imagining them to be. Hopefully you can embrace the challenge and the turbulence that comes with it (because those things do come) and create a beautiful life. Also, good luck with your studies! I imagine once you get there and have to immerse yourself in the language completely, you might find yourself learning really, really quickly.
I'm trying to stay positive
It's good that you're trying to stay positive, although it's understandable why you're feeling sad and overwhelmed with things. I know that feeling when things seem to just be going all the way wrong while you're also in the bad weeks of your cycle. Everything just feels a thousand times worse than it actually might be. I hope that your infection isn't pneumonia, and that the antibiotics help to clear things up. A lot of the time, when things are falling apart like this, it just means there's something really nice and calming waiting on the other side to give us some reprieve, and that might be your trip. I really hope that you're able to go, and that you can keep fighting until then. It may suck now, but next year, you'll be in a completely new chapter of your life.
i wasnt expecting more than a referral at absolute best when i mentioned a civil suit to him. all he did was hear my story and jumped into action free of charge being like "nah fuck this guy imma scare the piss outta him" lmao
This is great, haha, it's funny and wonderful how the world can work in our favors sometimes. It's like @HighFlight55 says, sometimes we get a bone. You definitely got a big one with a free service, and you deserve it! It kind of sounds like scaring him into doing the right thing might be cathartic for both of you and I love that for you guys, and for your pos ex!
i want my future and i want to be done with this shit chapter.
I think that the moment you made the finite decision to get away from that guy, you got your future back. It's already in your hands, even if this period of time is rough. And you're right, you may have to lose some personal belongings in the process, and that will hurt and suck, but ultimately they really are less important than everything else. You're somewhere safe and warm, enjoying your days again, and that's what is really important. Belongings can be accumulated and loved again, but your safety and peace of mind is priceless!

Thank you for checking in, and thanks for calling me a gem. 💛

This is a behemoth post again (I'm sorry). I don't really have any updates for myself anyway, though.

Today marks a brand new week, and I hope that it will be kind to all of us, or at least I hope it won't pull anything crazy. It sounds like these days are kind of sucking for most of us, but let's keep fighting! There are probably bones to be found around the corners we all have to turn, lol.
 
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I once asked a guy in my organic chemistry class how he managed to do so well and never get depressed given all the pressures we were under and he said, and I quote, "I never get depressed. It's too sad. What's the point?". 🤦‍♂️ Some people really just don't get it.
Ironically, I was just like this guy in college. But the reality was completely different. Once I hit my sophomore year, I was on top of my game - one of the top students in my major, had the best work/study job, lead the school's professional organization, chaired the student union committee, etc. No depression, no sadness, just great times. (On the outside.)

Inside, i was a lonely, small/skinny 20 yo virgin with no close friends. And at a school with a 10:1 male to female ratio so no possibility of getting a gf.

What people put forward is seldom who they really are. It's who they want you to believe they are. And social media has made this problem 1000x worse.

I'm also sad to see the thread is losing steam, but hopefully it'll pick up again soon. I've simultaneously started to feel worried about becoming the one person who's always ranting on here more than anyone else and feel positive about the fact that I'm doing my part to keep the thread alive, ha!
Dont every worry about becoming that one person... it's been exciting and motivating to see where you started compared to where you are now. And with your whole life ahead of you. The possibilities are endless.

i know you still have a ways to go, and everyday is another battle. But you've become well equipped to face those challenges, and each day getting stronger. I hope that one day you will graduate from SaSu. It will be a sad day for us, but I will also be one of my happiest days for you. My only wish would be to somehow stay in touch.

in the meantime, please post as frequently as you'd like.
@HighFlight55 , youre not alone, we love you and care about you, even if virtual friendship feels more distant and insecure. im sorry california was hard, being surrounded by those types is incredibly draining and i cant imagine having to do that for a week straight. great job making it through :) groundhog day does end at some point, there may be ways to do this on your terms in small steps without disrupting your families stability or happiness. what those are, only you can know and decide. i hope things improve 🖤 love you dude
Thank you! ❤️ I need to hear this more than anything these past few days. I've been responding to other posts, in chat, on Discord. But it feels like when I enter the conversation, everyone leaves. I know this is an exaggeration, but it still feels that way.
i wasnt expecting more than a referral at absolute best when i mentioned a civil suit to him. all he did was hear my story and jumped into action free of charge being like "nah fuck this guy imma scare the piss outta him" lmlmao
I was thrilled to read this! First and foremost, I'm glad you're in a safe environment. And with that problem solved, you were able to find a lawyer to help get your possessions back. And it's even better that he's taking the case Pro Bono. Hopefully, this will get the problem solved quickly and you can get your stuff back. And even better, move on to a new stage in your life.
You mean a lot, not just to us in this thread, but to your family, friends and more people than you know, no matter how little you've been able to reach out lately. I
Thank you as well. I don't know what is happening with me, but I feel like I'm sliding downward into a pit of dispare. Yours and lita's words mean more than you will ever know.

Unfortunately, family is all focused on their own issues and I'm kind of an afterthought. And I have no friends ILR. Several work friends, but they are scattered and usually only reach out if they need something.

And to add icing to the cake of dispare, I told my therapist this evening that I was a completely f*cked-up human being. She told me my homework assignment was to determine how committed I am to this line of thinking. I'm not even sure I understand her question, so open to thoughts and suggestions if anyone has any ideas.

Well as always, I'm wishing all of you the very best. And hope of some improvement as the days roll on. 🫂
 
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I don't know what is happening with me, but I feel like I'm sliding downward into a pit of dispare.
Unfortunately, sometimes I think it will be like that. Not to dismiss your feelings, but life is a bunch of pushing and pulling, it seems, especially when we're trying to recover. Sometimes we have highs and sometimes we have lows. I was just in a pit of despair too, so I get it. Still, I don't think you're destined to be in the same place forever or alone forever. At the very least, you have us!
She told me my homework assignment was to determine how committed I am to this line of thinking.
I'm not an expert, but maybe she wants you to evaluate whether or not that's really the person you want to be, and why you're thinking of yourself that way? I know a lot of therapy is meant to correct our patterns of thought, and you thinking that way about yourself may be something to challenge. But maybe you can ask her what she meant?

No updates again today, I'm having a really normal day today. It's Halloween, so I hope you guys have/had fun if you celebrate! I get to take a few hours of a break today as a result so I'm not going to complain. Kind of wishing to be young enough to go trick or treating again, haha. I think I only got to do it once.
 
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Hello all and happy November!

Ironically, I was just like this guy in college. But the reality was completely different. Once I hit my sophomore year, I was on top of my game - one of the top students in my major, had the best work/study job, lead the school's professional organization, chaired the student union committee, etc. No depression, no sadness, just great times. (On the outside.)

Inside, i was a lonely, small/skinny 20 yo virgin with no close friends. And at a school with a 10:1 male to female ratio so no possibility of getting a gf.

What people put forward is seldom who they really are. It's who they want you to believe they are. And social media has made this problem 1000x worse.
I didn't say it originally, but I was actually one of those overly type A, "what do you mean, depression?!" people for most of my life as well. Little did I know that I was using goals & achievements as a way to run away from the traumas of my past and serve in place of my nonexistent sense of self worth, ha ha haaa!

Dont every worry about becoming that one person... it's been exciting and motivating to see where you started compared to where you are now. And with your whole life ahead of you. The possibilities are endless.

i know you still have a ways to go, and everyday is another battle. But you've become well equipped to face those challenges, and each day getting stronger. I hope that one day you will graduate from SaSu. It will be a sad day for us, but I will also be one of my happiest days for you. My only wish would be to somehow stay in touch.

in the meantime, please post as frequently as you'd like.
Thank you for this :) It feels like I've gone from the bottom of the pit to maybe three steps higher up than the bottom of the pit, so it's nice to hear that the progress is more notable from the outside. Honestly, as much as I'm still regaining my motivation to keep living the way that I used to, I'm pretty committed to not CTB'ing at this point. It may sound silly, but I came to the realization that whenever I want to CTB, my reasoning is always based on logical fallacies of some kind– I'm a frequent black & white thinker in particular, as I've come to realize– and so I've vowed not to CTB if the desire is coming from a purely emotional place and/or if my reasoning isn't logically sound (eg, when I think something like "I won't be able to graduate on time and have thus failed myself so I'd might as well die."). I've found that it actually works surprisingly well for me. But yes, at this point I largely just come to SaSu to post in this group!

Thank you as well to UsagiDrop and ColorlessTrees for making me feel better about my frequent posting, hahaha.

Unfortunately, family is all focused on their own issues and I'm kind of an afterthought. And I have no friends ILR. Several work friends, but they are scattered and usually only reach out if they need something.

And to add icing to the cake of dispare, I told my therapist this evening that I was a completely f*cked-up human being. She told me my homework assignment was to determine how committed I am to this line of thinking. I'm not even sure I understand her question, so open to thoughts and suggestions if anyone has any ideas.
I'm sorry that you're falling into a pit of despair... It sucks when people don't reach out unless they need something from you, and loneliness/ isolation in general really is a bitch. Your therapist's words also sound pretty confusing to me? I think UsagiDrop's interpretation sounds correct, but that's a weird way of wording things. From where I stand it comes across almost as though she's placing blame on you, like you're digging your feet into the sand by saying that, but then again, I also wasn't there and could be projecting things onto her words. Anyhow, I'll remind you that nobody here thinks you're a completely f*cked-up human being, and to remember to #BeKindToYourself (which is clearly easier said than done for all of us)! I hope that you're feeling better today than you were when you made this post.

@UsagiDrop I'm glad that you're not doing as bad as before (or so it seems?)– a "really normal day" sounds like a good step forward after the rough times you've been having! I hope it stays this way.


I've been having a pretty good past couple days relative to how I usually am as of lately. There's still a rain cloud over my head, but honestly, as funny as it may sound, it's comforting to feel hopeless and down instead of feeling extreme anger and anxiety and on & off depersonalization/ derealization, all mixed with chest and back pain. It's like I'm finally getting a bit of a chance to rest after feeling violently awful for a month. I had an extra therapy session yesterday that went well– my therapist said I did a really good job, which was great to hear– and did a lot of journalling last night for the first time in a while. I'm still in a place of being mad at my past self and thinking she's an idiot whose behavior I'm not proud of, but I guess the silver lining is that I've grown an extreme amount over the past year, and even in the past few months despite being incredibly depressed.
 
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"And the student shall become the master."

@sadwriter, well said and thank you for the kind words.
 
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I didn't say it originally, but I was actually one of those overly type A, "what do you mean, depression?!" people for most of my life as well. Little did I know that I was using goals & achievements as a way to run away from the traumas of my past and serve in place of my nonexistent sense of self worth, ha ha haaa!
Just one more similarity... My problem is that I did it for decades, with school, jobs, family, etc. I got really good at it. The house of cards fell a few years ago but all my problems had been so deeply repressed that I haven't been able to recover. And just as I think things might be getting better, the house of cards falls again.

You caught it early and I'm really happy that you're dealing with it now.

PSA - High Flights make for spectacular crashes. Deal with the problems early. Hiding them only makes it worse in the long run.
 
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@UsagiDrop It's quite refreshing that you can still find the positives to encourage others with something that impacted you so severely. I rarely see this, and I appreciate it.
I'm certain it will be a huge learning curve, but I have high hopes that it will get me on the right track.

I've almost finished my antibiotics, but unfortunately there's been little to no improvement. Some of the more minor stuff has cleared up, but my main symptoms, most detrimentally the shortness of breath, have worsened. That on it own is stressing me, but it's compounding again with the fact that I've been sorely unmotivated and bedridden, so everything I need to prepare is piling up.

But to end on a slightly more positive note, I was able to catch up on self care I've been neglecting this week. Which is very bare minimum, but even that becomes difficult at times. Hoping by tomorrow I can begin to return to productivity.
 
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cheese.out

Why am I still here
Jul 25, 2023
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Glad to see this wonderful support group. Im not that often in the recovery section but since I still have some hope left that I may recover Im lurking a bit sometimes at this section from SaSu so I thought I could join this conversation.

I dont really have that much to say. I have suicidal thouhgts since Im 11yo but I dont have a "real" childhood trauma. I have a loving mother and supportive friends but since childhood I dont really see meaning in life and I also struggle with anxiety/panic attacks (probably bc my environment has been really unstable bc we had to move a lot since I was kid) . Im also unable to really show my love for other people so Im not really able to build a stable relationship so to cope with that I oftem take benzos or opioids to kinda feel that "love". So I often think to just end it bc I dont see why I should suffer in this life but because of my mother and little brothers I still try my best. It works sometimes for a few weeks but most of the time I fall back into this hole of dark thoughts.

Anyways thanks for reading and thank you all for sharing your thoughts here❤️
 
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Hi @cheese.out, welcome to the thread.

If you don't mind me asking, how old are you now? You've been suffering for at least 7 years. I'm sorry you're having to go through all of that. Feel free to stick around this thread and share your thoughts and feelings (as you feel comfortable). You never know when someone might respond with some helpful ideas, but at a minimum, we're here to listen. You are important and we'd love to hear what you have to say. 🫂
 
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I've considered joining this thread for awhile but wanted to read through the whole thing first.

I still haven't read through it all. Hopefully I will eventually, but I find it overwhelming to do. I hope you don't mind if i join anyway. I promised myself that I would prioritize recovery two months ago, and I think posting here would serve as personal motivation.

From what I've read/skimmed, posting a vow or updating everyday is no longer a requirement to join. I'd still like to write one regardless.

I vow to write the things I've done right every day. I seem to keep focusing on what I haven't done, or what I've done wrong. This pushes me lower and leads to further self-sabatoging behaviors. I've been having a lot of difficulty focusing on the productive or healthy things I do- no matter how small- and I think writing them down physically each day would help me to focus on the positive rather than the negative. It'd remind me that I can make good decisions. Hopefully that will motivate me to make even more good decisions! Focusing on the bad ones isn't helping.

Would you guys like it if I posted these in the thread daily? I'll be journaling them.

@cheese.out

I'm sorry you've been battling ctb thoughts for years and at such a young age. Mine started at 13 and have been on and off ever since.

You don't have to have a difficult life, nor do you have to have a history of trauma to feel like ctb. That you are desperate enough to consider it proves your pain is very real and valid. Don't be so hard on yourself.

Struggling with the meaningless of life is enough of a reason to feel like ctb. Existential crises are why I have ctb thoughts as well.

I hope you can find a healthier way to feel love if that's your goal. It's very nice of you to consider your mom and brother. Have you considered recovering for yourself as well? Also, it's normal to be ok for awhile then be back at square one again. Sometimes my coping strategies quit working too. Recovery is a slow and gradual process, so I remind myself it's not "over" and keep trying (even when I wanna give up.)

I'm glad you're joining me!
 
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“What a beautiful day to haunt the earth.”
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I rarely see this, and I appreciate it.
I'm happy if it helped you at all! I would never want to discourage anyone from taking a step that could be beneficial for them even if I know taking that step can be challenging, so I really hope that things go well on that front for you.

It sucks that the worst of your symptoms haven't cleared up yet, though. Hopefully they get better before you've finished your antibiotics. Are you able to get another consult if they don't clear up in time? It would be a bummer, but if something more severe is happening, hopefully they would be able to help you further identify what it is?

It's great that you got some self-care done despite being under the weather, thank you for taking care of yourself! I think just getting those tasks done can be classified as productivity. Fingers crossed that you can do something tomorrow (today?) that's productive, but if you can't, that'll be okay too! There's always the next day.
I have suicidal thouhgts since Im 11yo but I dont have a "real" childhood trauma.
Welcome to the thread, and thank you for sharing your thoughts with us! I think that it's perfectly valid to feel the way that you do despite not having any "real" childhood trauma. But what is "real" trauma, anyway? Maybe something that has deeply affected us wouldn't affect other people, but that doesn't make it any less impactful for us. I think of myself as someone who doesn't have any "real" trauma in my childhood because all of my needs were met and I was even spoiled to a degree, but as I'm getting older, I'm starting to realize that some things I just brushed off actually had an effect on me.

But even if it's not like that, it's still not impossible to feel this way without any identifiable event or cause— some of us just are this way, and that's okay too. How we came to be this way isn't quite as important as the fact that we feel it and we live it every day. That's the very real thing that ties us together and begs to be acknowledged.

Honestly speaking, I think constantly moving as a child can be a traumatic thing within itself. I'm not saying that it is traumatic for you, but having to constantly adjust to new places in your most formative years, not having the stability to really grow and explore in perceived safety, I can imagine that was hard. Also, being the new kid in a school just sucks in general. I couldn't imagine doing it more than twice in my childhood. But it's good that you have a supportive parent, by the sounds of it, and reasons to try your best for. All of us need things to hang onto in life until we can create a meaning for ourselves, so there's nothing wrong if those are your only reasons.

I'm glad that you felt safe sharing here and I hope we can hear more from you soon, whenever you feel like posting!
I hope you don't mind if i join anyway.
We definitely don't mind! Welcome to the thread, and thank you for lurking and reading. Catching up to all the posts definitely sounds like a task, haha, I think we talked a lot in here but I'm sure it's a good read. You should take your time with doing that, there's no rush. I think that your vow is beautiful, too. It sounds like it could help correct your thinking about yourself and the things that you do, and I know that you can stick to it.

I've read some of your threads and posts around here and I think that your perseverance and perspectives are inspiring. Recovery isn't easy, we have great ups and absolutely terrible downs, but I'm very proud of you for choosing something that works for you and deciding to commit to it, to stay true to it. Your words will definitely be helpful in this thread, so I don't think anyone will mind if you post here daily. I just wanna say, though, that if there's ever a day that you feel like you can't do that, you definitely don't have to! It's okay to take breaks, and to not post daily and just lurk. I hope we get to hear from you more often, too.

Update: My three day weekend starts and I'm starting to just feel a little numb to it, even though my worries about money persist. Tomorrow, I hope I can get some cleaning done and that's really my only goal. But I'm sure I'm just going to sleep the day away. The week's almost over, so I hope the last few days are kind to you guys!
 
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Why am I still here
Jul 25, 2023
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Hi @cheese.out, welcome to the thread.

If you don't mind me asking, how old are you now? You've been suffering for at least 7 years. I'm sorry you're having to go through all of that. Feel free to stick around this thread and share your thoughts and feelings (as you feel comfortable). You never know when someone might respond with some helpful ideas, but at a minimum, we're here to listen. You are important and we'd love to hear what you have to say. 🫂
Thank you so much for the kind words❤️ Im 21 rn
@Cloud Busting thank you too for those loving words❤️ Im going to therapy since my suicide attempt last year and it kinda helps but as I said I often fall back into this dark hole :/
 
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@UsagiDrop I thought about that aswell that this could have been traumatic for me. But thank you for your kind words - I really feel understood because of your words❤️
 
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Hey guys. Venin here. Couldn't reactivate the other account so I made this one. Dropped by to say that unfortunately, it went south for me and I don't wanna live in this fucking hellish life anymore. In a couple of days I will be bus riding.

Hope you're ok

Glad that the thread keeps going 🥰🫂🫶🏼🙏🏼

How are you guys?

@HighFlight55 how are you brother?

Hello to everybody else that joined. I wish you have a full and fast recovery 😘

@Dot maybe you can help me reactivate the other one 👁️
 
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Rapière

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Jul 7, 2022
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It both does my heart good to hear this and makes me sad for the rest of SS, hahaha.
It's like talking to wall, frankly. One person makes a thread and a dozen or so members respond with their own two cents but rarely ever bother to interact with, let alone read, each other's posts. And the OP doesn't usually feel any responsibilty for keeping his thread alive, so it just dries up after a few days. People can suddenly get very talkative though but only someone mentions incels or some other bullshit.

Anyways, I would be making use of this thread myself but I'm just terrible at venting. Whenever I try to put my feelings into words, I end up writing myself into dead end because there are simply too many things I don't feel comfortable sharing with strangers on a public forum. Yes, Discord would offer a more private setting but I don't like the chat format at all. The conversations there tend to become dull and monotonous very quickly because you're always expected to respond within short intervalls which kinda takes away the ability to reflect and meditate on someone else's post before giving them a proper response.
 
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@venin.n - i've always hoped you'd return to this thread, as it has taken on a life of its own and there are so many people participating (and many more who are just lurking). You've started a legacy thread and I've always wanted you to see/know that. But I'm so sorry you're having to see this under these circumstances.

I'm really sorry that things have taken a turn for the worse and life has brought to this decision. Selfishly, I'd love it if you would stick around a while and participate in this thread. But I understand and respect if your decision has been made. I wish you all the best and hope that you can finally find some peace.

As for me, like all of us, I'm stuck on this roller coaster ride called life. I've had some very positive things over the past few months, but also several low points. If you've seen any of my posts the past week, you've probably figured out that I'm currently in one of those low points.
But you should also know that it's this thread, and its participants such as @UsagiDrop , @sadwriter, @lita-lassi and so many other that keep me going.

Whether you intended to or not, @venin.n, you will leave behind a legacy that is continuing to help people like me.

Thank you! ❤️🫂❤️
 
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@venin.n - i've always hoped you'd return to this thread, as it has taken on a life of its own and there are so many people participating (and many more who are just lurking). You've started a legacy thread and I've always wanted you to see/know that. But I'm so sorry you're having to see this under these circumstances.

I'm really sorry that things have taken a turn for the worse and life has brought to this decision. Selfishly, I'd love it if you would stick around a while and participate in this thread. But I understand and respect if your decision has been made. I wish you all the best and hope that you can finally find some peace.

As for me, like all of us, I'm stuck on this roller coaster ride called life. I've had some very positive things over the past few months, but also several low points. If you've seen any of my posts the past week, you've probably figured out that I'm currently in one of those low points.
But you should also know that it's this thread, and its participants such as @UsagiDrop , @sadwriter, @lita-lassi and so many other that keep me going.

Whether you intended to or not, @venin.n, you will leave behind a legacy that is continuing to help people like me.

Thank you! ❤️🫂❤️
Thank you for this…

I was lurking a bit sometimes and was really happy seing you authentically be there for each other.

Sadly, there's no point in continuing.

Maybe we could talk here these days. It would definetely be a pleasure.

Also, congrats everyone for putting so much effort in writing here and supporting each other the way you do.

*I asked Dot to reactivate my account but she hasn't responded yet regarding to messaging you @HighFlight55 . Also made some formal requests.

So, see you here the next days.🩷
 
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Would you guys like it if I posted these in the thread daily? I'll be journaling them.
If that is what would help you, please feel free to post daily. The original concept of the thread is that we would each make a vow and update the group daily. Life happens and as a result, daily updates don't for most of us. Feel free to journal your thoughts, good and bad.

I'd also encourage you, and others to share your thoughts on other people's posts. Sometimes a kind word from a stranger is enough to make a significant impact in that moment.

@cheese.out, I'm truly sorry you been feeling that way for a decade now. And just because you can't point to specific traumatic event doesn't mean your feelings aren't valid. As @UsagiDrop said, there are events that we might not consider traumatic that can have the same impact. And I would agree that moving around a lot can be traumatic.

Please feel free to participate in this thread as much as you'd like. Personally, the people here help give perspective to my actually therapy sessions. Additionally, the advice seems to mean more to me coming from people who can relate to how I am feeling. Maybe some of that can help you as well.

Additionally, many of us, including myself, are open to private messages if you want to talk.
 
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If that is what would help you, please feel free to post daily. The original concept of the thread is that we would each make a vow and update the group daily. Life happens and as a result, daily updates don't for most of us. Feel free to journal your thoughts, good and bad.

I'd also encourage you, and others to share your thoughts on other people's posts. Sometimes a kind word from a stranger is enough to make a significant impact in that moment.

@cheese.out, I'm truly sorry you been feeling that way for a decade now. And just because you can't point to specific traumatic event doesn't mean your feelings aren't valid. As @UsagiDrop said, there are events that we might not consider traumatic that can have the same impact. And I would agree that moving around a lot can be traumatic.

Please feel free to participate in this thread as much as you'd like. Personally, the people here help give perspective to my actually therapy sessions. Additionally, the advice seems to mean more to me coming from people who can relate to how I am feeling. Maybe some of that can help you as well.

Additionally, many of us, including myself, are open to private messages if you want to talk.
Thank you🤗❤️

I hope I unlock the feature soon enough 🌟
 
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UsagiDrop

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I thought about that aswell that this could have been traumatic for me. But thank you for your kind words - I really feel understood because of your words❤️
I think that you'll definitely be understood in this thread, and probably in other corners of the forum. I think what you're experiencing is definitely understandable. 💛

I know that the things discussed here aren't specifically the problems that you're facing, but here is a thread that comforted me a while ago. It was nice to know that other people are around who can't quite put a finger on what made them this way, or that they're having troubles coming to terms with the things that happened to them in childhood actually being impactful. You aren't the only person searching for answers, and I hope that you will find them one day.
Anyways, I would be making use of this thread myself but I'm just terrible at venting. Whenever I try to put my feelings into words, I end up writing myself into dead end because there are simply too many things I don't feel comfortable sharing with strangers on a public forum.
Both this and your feelings about Discord chats are understandable, I feel the same way. It's definitely scary sharing the private happenings of your mind and life on a public forum, took me a while to come around to it. Even then, I try to be careful about what details I give. I do vent a lot here but I still end up doing a lot of compartmentalization when it comes to the kind of things I can express.

With that being said, the option is always open to vent here if there ever is something you felt comfortable sharing, or if there is ever something you want support for! Other than it being completely free for anyone on the internet to see, this is a pretty safe space that we've tried to maintain here. Or, you can respond to others if you feel like there's something we need to hear, and we'll all appreciate that, too!

If you're still too uncomfortable, though, there's absolutely no pressure. I just hope you won't go through things alone. Many of us are open to DMs if you ever need someone to meaningfully listen to you. I hope you're having a good day, or at least a decent one!
Dropped by to say that unfortunately, it went south for me and I don't wanna live in this fucking hellish life anymore. In a couple of days I will be bus riding.
Welcome back @venin.n ! Although it is really sad to hear this news, I'm going to echo the thoughts of @HighFlight55 and say that you created a really wonderful and helpful space here. Thank you so much for that. When you left, I was hoping the best for your recovery journey, so it's not great news to see that things haven't worked out for you. Of course, I respect your choices and wishes. I know you've more than likely thought this all through and you're choosing the option that is best for you, so while it's sad to see you go, I'm wishing the best for you. I hope you can find peace and freedom on the other side.

Thank you for checking in with us, though! It would be nice to talk to you for a few days, while you're waiting at the bus stop. If you don't mind me asking, how are you feeling right now, about everything?
 
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Rack.-

Trying to understand this world
Jun 11, 2023
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Hi uhm I just came across this thread earlier today and like everyone here seems so wonderful and lovely.
Also don't usually post around because I'm always feeling like burden to everyone so yeah whenever I do It's mainly to comfort others I guess... But yeah I've been feeling so lonely and depressed for some years but don't rly like to talk about that haha. Anyways hope everyone having a wonderful day ❤️
 
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