failed SN - not sure why?

[Cathy Ames]

I've seen pictures and spoken to several people who have ordered from IC and it has been clumpy every time until they broke it up. Edit: yeah I see what you mean.. if they got a new supplier.

Also some kind of error might have happened at IC? Maybe they ordered SN and received Sodium Benzoate. If so, I guess there will be more posts like this incoming. I wonder how a person would go about making a complaint? "Hey, IC, I ordered this stuff, but it did not kill me." They'd be afraid to respond. What a mess.

Sodium benzoate - wikidoc

www.wikidoc.org

 

[wljourney]

Also some kind of error might have happened at IC? Maybe they ordered SN and received Sodium Benzoate. If so, I guess there will be more posts like this incoming. I wonder how a person would go about making a complaint? "Hey, IC, I ordered this stuff, but it did not kill me." They'd be afraid to respond. What a mess.

Sodium benzoate - wikidoc

www.wikidoc.org

I was thinking of contacting them.
They sell only this one item. And they know full well it's not used for pickling or sausage making. They have priced it for the CTB market. Not as food additive product.

 

[Danjor88]

How much do you weigh OP?

Your weight determines how much you need to take.

However, 20gm (are you sure you used grams and not milligrams) should do it for most people.

So assuming you're average weight and you used grams and not milligrams, then it would suggest your SN is not SN.

 

[Shu]

I was thinking of contacting them.
They sell only this one item. And they know full well it's not used for pickling or sausage making. They have priced it for the CTB market. Not as food additive product.

They sell other salts also.
I am curious of they ordered it from the website itself or from a user.

 

[Cathy Ames]

They sell other salts also.
I am curious of they ordered it from the website itself or from a user.

Or there may be an imposter site or individual. I hope OP will confirm with someone (by PM!!!!!!!!!!) that they really ordered from the correct place.

 

[Doombox]

How much do you weigh OP?

Your weight determines how much you need to take.

However, 20gm (are you sure you used grams and not milligrams) should do it for most people.

So assuming you're average weight and you used grams and not milligrams, then it would suggest your SN is not SN.

OP is very small, and by now has taken the entire 50g bag in two tries, as I understand it. Hence the current discussion regarding what was actually in the bag.

 

[SofterSoftest]

I was thinking of contacting them.
They sell only this one item. And they know full well it's not used for pickling or sausage making. They have priced it for the CTB market. Not as food additive product.

IIRC, the founder of IC might have a personal investment in making CTB available to consenting adults, so if they receive a message in code (e.g., "I am aware that one of your clients used your SN but it did not achieve its intended outcome - can you please confirm the purity of your SN?"), they would probably respond. I would contact them, but the last thing I want is more of a papertrail after my N disaster.

Personally, I'm leaning toward two hypotheses:
1) OP was drowsy when she took the SN and did not take the full drink. I know she says she woke up to find the glass empty, but 50 ml is actually a very small quantity of liquid and most of it can evaporate in a period of 10-11 hours.
2) OP received the SN from a source other than IC - i.e., a SS user who claimed to have SN from IC and shipped it to them directly.

 

[wljourney]

They sell other salts also.

IIRC, the founder of IC might have a personal investment in making CTB available to consenting adults, so if they receive a message in code (e.g., "I am aware that one of your clients used your SN but it did not achieve its intended outcome - can you please confirm the purity of your SN?"), they would probably respond. I would contact them, but the last thing I want is more of a papertrail after my N disaster.

Personally, I'm leaning toward two hypotheses:
1) OP was drowsy when she took the SN and did not take the full drink. I know she says she woke up to find the glass empty, but 50 ml is actually a very small quantity of liquid and most of it can evaporate in a period of 10-11 hours.
2) OP received the SN from a source other than IC - i.e., a SS user who claimed to have SN from IC and shipped it to them directly.

I agree.

Repeating #1 twice in a row would be quite unusual though, no?
And even if only 10 g were ingested there would be more than just diarrhea happening, right?

#2 is most likely IMO.

Or of course #3: the OP is fibbing. (But I prefer to believe a potential victim)

 

[SofterSoftest]

I agree.

Repeating #1 twice in a row would be quite unusual though, no?
And even if only 10 g were ingested there would be more than just diarrhea happening, right?

#2 is most likely IMO.

Or of course #3: the OP is fibbing. (But I prefer to believe a potential victim)

I agree with you on all fronts. Yes, OP repeating #1 twice would be highly unlikely, making #2 much more possible. The third possibility has crossed my mind, but like you, I'm really afraid of accusing someone of deception when they might be going through the worst time of their life. This situation is just so strange and it is (admittedly) causing me a great deal of anxiety.

 

[rationaltake]

They sell other salts also.

I don't think they really do.

 

[Shu]

I don't think they really do.

It's listed on the website
Maybe if you try ordering they just don't send it?

 

[rationaltake]

It's listed on the website
Maybe if you try ordering they just don't send it?

Maybe. Reading between the lines on the website. I'm not sure we should be specific on here.

 

[UpandDownPrincess]

I can't help but think that the issue might have happened at IC. If you look at where an easy mistake could have been made, it's as simple as slapping the wrong label on a package. Not malicious, not suspect, just a mistake with a label.

We tend to take our regimens pretty seriously here, but poison is poison. If you take enough, you'll die. 50g over two nights is enough, and it didn't work. I can't help but feel that it must not be poison.

 

[EvilStepSister]

I'm a very cynical and untrusting person. My issue. But there can only be one of two things going on: a company with a good reputation on the line is not being ethical or the OP isn't. Scientifically, her reaction to SN is a complete anomaly and implausible. Commercially, whoever IC is, knowing what their product is being used for, has too much to lose by allowing a one-off mislabeling to occur.

Again, this is my issue and my two cents' worth. I'm not judging - I have no reason to presume anyone's motives for anything. But it looks like a spade and I'm calling it.

 

[Shu]

I'll tell you what I don't know what's really going on but I do know that there's tons of people right now that are paranoid as hell thinking that their product isn't what it's supposed to be

 

[Nequam]

If I understand the way this site works, OP hasn't been on since 6 am yesterday? I don't think they're going to be answering any time soon. I do not personally have SN from that supplier so I can't be of help with this thread, I was just interested in any information about things that could have an effect on SN reliability.

 

[wljourney]

I can't help but think that the issue might have happened at IC. If you look at where an easy mistake could have been made, it's as simple as slapping the wrong label on a package. Not malicious, not suspect, just a mistake with a label.

We tend to take our regimens pretty seriously here, but poison is poison. If you take enough, you'll die. 50g over two nights is enough, and it didn't work. I can't help but feel that it must not be poison.

IC only sells one single item packaged in this kind of foil bag though. Everything else comes in brand name boxes, as you would see in a supermarket.

It is virtually impossible to "mix up" a brand name box of household salt with an aluminum foil bag that is filled from a large container of SN in a lab environment.

Would be nice to hear from the OP where she got the product from. But she hasn't been online - at least not with this account - since yesterday.

 

[Doombox]

I hope OP didn't end up in the hospital with liver failure that developed after taking the wrong chemical, whatever it might have been. Since apparently IC has been a reliable source in the past, unless further information comes in about what happened I would not worry about sn from IC because there are simply too many unanswered questions about this incident. OP has not been a regular participant and has only ever started two threads here, one asking for sources and this one, as far as I can tell. Speculation seems hopeless and risky.

 

[Foresight]

That's the major concern. What is it that they took and what is the potential harm of that substance? We know about SN and the aftermath if treated. Luckily, the recovery is good. As it stands there's no telling what they consumed. It didn't seem like SN. I hope op is okay.

Again, this is my issue and my two cents' worth. I'm not judging - I have no reason to presume anyone's motives for anything. But it looks like a spade and I'm calling it.

This is creating a new fears in people who have opted for SN, which is unfortunate if there was any known falsehood from op's side. Hopefully we find out something for the sake of people using this method.

 

[Shu]

OP hasent been back?

 

[EvilStepSister]

2g:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/my-experience-after-taking-2-g-sn-last-night.34974/

 

[kevin67]

Dude literally just do a blood test. Somone asked op to do a blood test on the product . Op didn't reply . All of this will be over if blood test happens then we will know if ic a real deal or not .

 

[Shu]

Dude literally just do a blood test. Somone asked op to do a blood test on the product . Op didn't reply . All of this will be over if blood test happens then we will know if ic a real deal or not .

Why don't you do the blood test Javan?

 

[kevin67]

Why don't you do the blood test Javan?

I already did "ctb"

 

[wljourney]

I already did "ctb"

Getting booted after less than 3 hrs. A new record. Good job @.CTB

 

[MsMaudlin]

I wonder what the OP actually took, it could make her really poorly thats why she hasn't been on.
I'm not convinced by the whole thing really, but don't want to think badly of the OP....
❤

 

[SofterSoftest]

In seriousness re: blood test, I've read that both nitrites and nitrates cause methemoglobinemia, but that the condition isn't fatal when nitrates are ingested. Theoretically, wouldn't that mean that blood would also change colour if exposed to nitrates instead of SN? I'm thinking I should learn to do an aquarium test just to be sure that I have the right stuff.

 

[wljourney]

In seriousness re: blood test, I've read that both nitrites and nitrates cause methemoglobinemia, but that the condition isn't fatal when nitrates are ingested. Theoretically, wouldn't that mean that blood would also change colour if exposed to nitrates instead of SN? I'm thinking I should learn to do an aquarium test just to be sure that I have the right stuff.

Yeah. I've considered doing the test too, but then I saw this thread and… he ended up in hospital after ingesting just ~5g. I'm pretty sure the product will work.

Also: what an ingenious idea to make little paper packages!!!

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-failure.76379/

 

[LeapOfFaith]

Could someone DM me a legitimate SN source that ships within Europe? I would appreciate that very much.

 

[y0dha]

Yeah. I've considered doing the test too, but then I saw this thread and… he ended up in hospital after ingesting just ~5g. I'm pretty sure the product will work.

Also: what an ingenious idea to make little paper packages!!!

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/sn-failure.76379/

Thank you for sharing this, the parachute method is brilliant. I have taken lots of mdma in the past like this but didn't thought about it with SN !