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I get 600 liters at 15 Lpm is 40 minutes. But is 20 to 40 cubic feet equivalent to 600 liters?
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I know 40 cf is like close to an hour at 15 lpm and 20cf is like 28 minutesI get 600 liters at 15 Lpm is 40 minutes. But is 20 to 40 cubic feet equivalent to 600 liters?
1 cu ft is 28.xx liters. So 20 cu ft take is right around 560 litersI get 600 liters at 15 Lpm is 40 minutes. But is 20 to 40 cubic feet equivalent to 600 liters?
No, regular air is already 20.9% oxygen. A 20/80 mix is basically normal air, albeit with helium instead of nitrogen. The top of Mount Everest is ~6.9% oxygen and people climb that without supplemental oxygen. You need at least 95% purity inert gas to be successful, but really preferably 99%+ to account for any small errors with your bag, like a small leakIdk if its stupid to ask this but i know in general it would be best to have 100 helium tank but i was wonderinh your thoughts if it can work with the 20 oxygen/80helium if death is still possible like helium will make me unconscious if its in the oven bag and ill die because the oxygen turns to carbon dioxide or something but the helium will make it still a bit more confortable than without because maybe it will diminish to an extent the feeling of suffocation but also i would still be unconscious so will i really experience alot of discomfort? Is it possible with just a party tank 20oxygen/80helium and if i drank down opiods with alcohol and graprfruit juice?
I am also French, my method is SCUBAJe suis français moi aussi !
I think a bucket liner bag would actually work , you wouldn't need to trim down I don't think the more bag space isn't really a hindrance , just takes more gas to inflate it . I've never seen bucket inter bag mentioned , but make sure it's durable . That's why turkey oven bags are so good because they're durable as hell.Hi friends. So I'm putting my kit all together today. I got the Alibaba regulator and attached it today, I got a different hose attachment from amazon because I didn't like the plastic one it came with and it fits. Bought some Turkey bags the other day and was going to make my bag today.. but I hate the super crinkly noise it makes. Is there a different brand of bag that someone could suggest so I can order it now and it be here tomorrow. I've only got a few days left to build this all. thanks in advance. Would a 5 gallon bucket liner bag be a good substitute? They seem really really big more so in the length than width .. Suppose I could always trim em down a little bit, the ends get folded up anyways.
Yea I just discovered the reynolds brand and they look better but not easily available in Canada for some reason and they'd take to long to get here. I've got till the end of the month. I ordered a bucket liner & another brand of Turkey bag. Then I'll have options. I'll make 3 or 4 versions I guess.I think a bucket liner bag would actually work , you wouldn't need to trim down I don't think the more bag space isn't really a hindrance , just takes more gas to inflate it . I've never seen bucket inter bag mentioned , but make sure it's durable . That's why turkey oven bags are so good because they're durable as hell.
Some turkey bags are crinkly some aren't , mine aren't , they are Reynolds brand .
What's the proper elastic? I found https://www.amazon.ca/Focenat-Elast...2a0-423a-bcb7-1d163e3538ab&pd_rd_i=B0BG597XXR this on Amazon, along with these toggles https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B078LYKZRY...40PI75LH&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it And I'm wondering if it's good, or if the 1/4th will fit in that toggle. Tired horse recommended 3/8 of elastic but will that fit through the toggle and is It needed?Possible sources of failure could be
- gas purity
- flinching or bailing
-too slow of a gas flow
-improper bag construction
Definitely make sure your gas is over 99%, make sure you use the proper elastic for your bag, make sure your tank is big enough, make sure you have a comfortable chair and maybe consider buying some straps to keep your self fitting in the correct position
I'm pretty sure the products you are showing are perfect. With that type of the elastic you can smash it to go through those toggles. You can cut the elastic in half like an inch or 2 ( long ways ) at the area where you're going to insert it into the toggle and it makes it much easier to get it through. If tht makes sense … like … if one hair of thread from the elastic gets through the toggle , you can pull the whole thing throughWhat's the proper elastic? I found https://www.amazon.ca/Focenat-Elastic-Braided-Stretch-Clothes/dp/B0BG597XXR/ref=pd_ci_mcx_mh_mcx_views_0?pd_rd_w=Os5fl&content-id=amzn1.sym.d89e4a4e-5696-4c12-9830-260f358f425a:amzn1.symc.40e6a10e-cbc4-4fa5-81e3-4435ff64d03b&pf_rd_p=d89e4a4e-5696-4c12-9830-260f358f425a&pf_rd_r=B4MQRFTYYH1GRT0RE4Q2&pd_rd_wg=F1zvD&pd_rd_r=6bd46e63-22a0-423a-bcb7-1d163e3538ab&pd_rd_i=B0BG597XXR this on Amazon, along with these toggles https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B078LYKZRY...40PI75LH&psc=1&ref_=list_c_wl_lv_ov_lig_dp_it And I'm wondering if it's good, or if the 1/4th will fit in that toggle. Tired horse recommended 3/8 of elastic but will that fit through the toggle and is It needed?
For me , this concern went away once I ran tests and se how it works .Hey guys,
I'm worried about the exit bag's seal around my neck. If I tighten it just until two fingers fit under, won't too much oxygen get in? If oxygen gets in, won't my brain survive off of that instead of complete brain death? How does this work? Also some say to leave a little space at the bottom to let CO2 out, what's the science of that, apparently It creates a chamber?
Thank you for explaining this to me, and yeah I was worried about the ambient air coming in and brain damage happening instead of death. I appreciate this though, it gave me a good idea and understanding of how the air flow works with a turkey bag. I think a lot of people do scuba masks because they are afraid of the turkey bag method.For me , this concern went away once I ran tests and se how it works .
When you scrunch all the air out of the bag prior to turning gs on , then allow the bag to inflate , once it's fully inflated .. it's fully inflated with nitrogen , with some residual oxygen that didn't make it out from
Scrunching . But . All of the gas / air inside is being replaced with fresh nitrogen at a high rate , and gets forcefully blown out of the bag , around the neck : you can feel the gas rushing at a high rate around the neck .
Theoretically, the elastic could like … not be tight at all, but the the slight positive pressure stops all ambient air from coming in . This being said , I still would prefer snug fit with the elastic
Once you play around with the tightness of your elastic , and conceptually understand the positive pressure of the bag, and experience it , you'll feel better
You could also just put the bag over your head and tighten the elastic without any gas flowing , to get a sense of the positive pressure. Put it on and press on the bag and notice that the air in the bag doesn't really escape unless you pres hard enough .
Also , you could just get a dummy head , and oxygen sensor and run a test on the dummy head
I did this a few times, and the air in the bag ws like 95-96% Once tho e bag ws fully inflated . Then as more air gets pushed and replenished by fresh nitrogen this slowly crept up to 97..98…99 over a couple minutes
Yep it's all about what's most comfortable to you. Some people are more comfortable with shotgun . I have a scuba setup and am not comfortable with it at all. Upon breathing straight nitrogen , my body dumps sweat out my pores from the nervous system response . I don't feel confident scuba mask will adhere to my face properly with sweat pouring out my face , also, more areas of leakage with all of the adaptera and components to trust. But that's just me , others will vehemently disagree .Thank you for explaining this to me, and yeah I was worried about the ambient air coming in and brain damage happening instead of death. I appreciate this though, it gave me a good idea and understanding of how the air flow works with a turkey bag. I think a lot of people do scuba masks because they are afraid of the turkey bag method.pe
Thank you for explaining this to me, and yeah I was worried about the ambient air coming in and brain damage happening instead of death. I appreciate this though, it gave me a good idea and understanding of how the air flow works with a turkey bag. I think a lot of people do scuba masks because they are afraid of the turkey bag method.
I found this on Amazon. Claims to be 99.99% pure helium at 25.92 cubic feet. If I bought two of them and have 51.84 cubic feet, would that be enough?
Its seems my last message got ignored... so for people who have a problem using gas for different gas regulator type heres a helpful converter
My previous setup doesnt use a regulator since my setup is based on guide i found on hackaday exit bag until i found out that without using a regulator could cause lung rupture an extremely violent death i spent more days preparing the setup which now at this point goes longer the deadline i set for
I cant find a bronze barbed fitting that able to connect argon regulator to small helium tank which lead me to hire a 3d artist to design a fitting for me
Im still figuring out which print material to use and which type of prints atm carbon fiber and sls seems the best option im not sure
Im also gonna need to buy a y valve to connect both tanks and a noise muffler possibly so its less noisy
The hard part is to divide the flow of gas to each regulator
For 15/m using argon i need to split it to each tank and since it have different ratio im going to use the converter 4.7 for argon and divide it to each tank 3/8 for the 30 balloons tank and 5/8 for the 50 balloons tank
3/8 : 1.7625 (1.8)
5/8 : 2.9375 (2.9)
What do you think of the setup?
Why don't people consider the following design: bag completely, tightly sealed around the neck and entering the tube through a hole on the top of the bag. I mean there should be two tubes... One for the inflowing gas, another one to release the excess gas. The outflow tube could be lead into a bucket of water to prevent the backward flow.Hey guys,
I'm worried about the exit bag's seal around my neck. If I tighten it just until two fingers fit under, won't too much oxygen get in? If oxygen gets in, won't my brain survive off of that instead of complete brain death? How does this work? Also some say to leave a little space at the bottom to let CO2 out, what's the science of that, apparently It creates a chamber?
Anyone have any thoughts on if this is reliable and enough gas?
Why don't people consider the following design: bag completely, tightly sealed around the neck and entering the tube through a hole on the top of the bag. I mean there should be two tubes... One for the inflowing gas, another one to release the excess gas. The outflow tube could be lead into a bucket of water to prevent the backward flow.
Another question:
Have you considered switching to another method after the reports of the Alabama execution?
CNN: "Miller shook and trembled on a gurney for about two minutes, with his body at times pulling against restraints, according to The Associated Press, which had a reporter witness the procedure. The shaking and trembling was followed by about six minutes of periodic gulping breaths before he became still, the AP reported."
I'd personally say that unless you knew it was 99% helium from the manufacturer, it isn't reliable because of how they usually mix oxygen with helium these days. That's my personal opinion on it. As to rather it's enough if you use two of them Msvr mentioned "So 20 cu ft take is right around 560 liters" If you got two of them you would definitely have more than enough if 600 L is what you're aiming for.
There's alot of talk about the Alabama execution in this thread . It ws a concern hd as well . they allegedly did not use exit bag method they used a face mask , that didn't properly seal, with the addition of a non cooperative participant . Nitchkee claims he tried to desperately stop since he knew they were doing it wrong . Keep in mind , the media does not want to glorify any method for suicide . They don't want us to die , they want us alive and reliant on pharmaceuticals as long d possible . All sick people are dollar bills.Why don't people consider the following design: bag completely, tightly sealed around the neck and entering the tube through a hole on the top of the bag. I mean there should be two tubes... One for the inflowing gas, another one to release the excess gas. The outflow tube could be lead into a bucket of water to prevent the backward flow.
Another question:
Have you considered switching to another method after the reports of the Alabama execution?
CNN: "Miller shook and trembled on a gurney for about two minutes, with his body at times pulling against restraints, according to The Associated Press, which had a reporter witness the procedure. The shaking and trembling was followed by about six minutes of periodic gulping breaths before he became still, the AP reported."
I'm not sure if that bag design would work, it could be an improvement if it did. But for me I'm not inclined to experiment because a standard exit bag design is known to work.Why don't people consider the following design: bag completely, tightly sealed around the neck and entering the tube through a hole on the top of the bag. I mean there should be two tubes... One for the inflowing gas, another one to release the excess gas. The outflow tube could be lead into a bucket of water to prevent the backward flow.
Another question:
Have you considered switching to another method after the reports of the Alabama execution?
CNN: "Miller shook and trembled on a gurney for about two minutes, with his body at times pulling against restraints, according to The Associated Press, which had a reporter witness the procedure. The shaking and trembling was followed by about six minutes of periodic gulping breaths before he became still, the AP reported."
The website description states:I'd personally say that unless you knew it was 99% helium from the manufacturer, it isn't reliable because of how they usually mix oxygen with helium these days. That's my personal opinion on it.
Probably not in both cases. I bought something similar to test and the percentage of helium wasn't even mentioned on the tank. Also, a lot of reviews stating it didn't come close to filling 100 balloons.Anyone have any thoughts on if this is reliable and enough gas?
I do plan to restrain my wrist, though as you said it's probably unnecessary. I used some spare elastic from my exit bag and created straps around my arm rest in such a way that I can semi-painfully squeeze my wrist into the strap. This helps hinder SI and prevent me from unconsciously removing the bag. Here's an example, with our lovely mr. Sonic giving us a demo.@Msvr Hey there, I'm wondering if I should restrain myself when doing this, I keep thinking it's no big deal I'll only twitch slightly, not enough to flinch or remove the bag, and so I'm wondering is the risk worth it?
The website description states:
"High quality helium: 99.99% pure helium, non-flammable and non-toxic, can be used at will with complete confidence. 25.92cu.ft of helium"
Is that perhaps 99.99% questionable?
Haha thanks for the picture! I figured it's not needed because the amount of bodily movements you end up having is probably low, but like you, I want to be really sure just in case. This is really creative, btw. I think I'm going to do the same thing.I do plan to restrain my wrist, though as you said it's probably unnecessary. I used some spare elastic from my exit bag and created straps around my arm rest in such a way that I can semi-painfully squeeze my wrist into the strap. This helps hinder SI and prevent me from unconsciously removing the bag. Here's an example, with our lovely mr. Sonic giving us a demo.View attachment 151242