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[Rinmo]

how do you connect this SCBA hose to the regulator?

 

[HorriblePain]

I read in the PP book that "A 2-liter gas cylinder provides a suitable gas source." But it says in the same paragraph: "When filled under pressure, these small, take-home cylinders contain around 400 liters of nitrogen."

I have been looking for a prefilled tank. I found one that says: "Nitrogen (N2) 221 Liter Cylinder 99.999% Pure".

If the cylinder only needs to be 2 liters then this is more than enough. But, if it needs to be 400 liters then this is only about half what is needed. I am confused. Please help. Thank you.

 

[Kapsyl]

I read in the PP book that "A 2-liter gas cylinder provides a suitable gas source." But it says in the same paragraph: "When filled under pressure, these small, take-home cylinders contain around 400 liters of nitrogen."

I have been looking for a prefilled tank. I found one that says: "Nitrogen (N2) 221 Liter Cylinder 99.999% Pure".

If the cylinder only needs to be 2 liters then this is more than enough. But, if it needs to be 400 liters then this is only about half what is needed. I am confused. Please help. Thank you.

The important variable here is not how big the volume of the tank but rather what pressure is it under. The tank you mentioned is at 100bar, but the one in PP is at 200bar. Twice the pressure and twice of amount of nitrogen.

Always look at the amount of uncompressed gas rather than the size of the tank. I use a 5 liter tank at 200bar which is about 1000 liter of uncompressed nitrogen.

 

[HorriblePain]

The important variable here is not how big the volume of the tank but rather what pressure is it under. The tank you mentioned is at 100bar, but the one in PP is at 200bar. Twice the pressure and twice of amount of nitrogen.

Always look at the amount of uncompressed gas rather than the size of the tank. I use a 5 liter tank at 200bar which is about 1000 liter of uncompressed nitrogen.

Thanks for your response. How can you tell from the information I gave that the tank is at 100 bar? I looked at the website and it doesn't give that information about any of its tanks. In fact, the only information it gives is "Nitrogen (N2) 221 Liter Cylinder 99.999% Pure" So I am wondering how you figured it out just from that information. Thanks again.

 

[Coconteppi]

Sorry to get in the way of y'alls conversation. :P But I was looking into using N rather than SN to CTB due to the somewhat scarce access to SN. I live in Texas and it sounds as though N is far more accessable for my location. Not necessaruly asking for sources. But can anyone explain to me the restrictions and methods surrounding getting a container and N? Also, from what I can tell an EEBD Hood can be bought from just about anywhere without problem correct?
Hope this isnt too much to ask! :P

 

[Kapsyl]

Thanks for your response. How can you tell from the information I gave that the tank is at 100 bar? I looked at the website and it doesn't give that information about any of its tanks. In fact, the only information it gives is "Nitrogen (N2) 221 Liter Cylinder 99.999% Pure" So I am wondering how you figured it out just from that information. Thanks again.

I must have missed the tank you mentioned didn't mention the size, and assumed it was 2 liter bottle. But assuming the bottle was 2 liter 2 liter x 100 bar is approximately 200 liter of nitrogen. I would advise finding a bigger tank of nitrogen.

Sorry to get in the way of y'alls conversation. :P But I was looking into using N rather than SN to CTB due to the somewhat scarce access to SN. I live in Texas and it sounds as though N is far more accessable for my location. Not necessaruly asking for sources. But can anyone explain to me the restrictions and methods surrounding getting a container and N? Also, from what I can tell an EEBD Hood can be bought from just about anywhere without problem correct?
Hope this isnt too much to ask! :P

I'm not sure about Texas but i heard you can either buy online a prefilled tank or buying one at a hardware store. 99% nitrogen is used in welding and in food industry. If they would ask use any of those for an excuse, nitrogen is not anything you should need to explain in detail.

The hood is an emergency rescue hood with a legitimate use in different applications, nothing strange. Our use is quite uncommon in the context and the suppliers probably don't know our use.

 

[Coconteppi]

I must have missed the tank you mentioned didn't mention the size, and assumed it was 2 liter bottle. But assuming the bottle was 2 liter 2 liter x 100 bar is approximately 200 liter of nitrogen. I would advise finding a bigger tank of nitrogen.




I'm not sure about Texas but i heard you can either buy online a prefilled tank or buying one at a hardware store. 99% nitrogen is used in welding and in food industry. If they would ask use any of those for an excuse, nitrogen is not anything you should need to explain in detail.

The hood is an emergency rescue hood with a legitimate use in different applications, nothing strange. Our use is quite uncommon in the context and the suppliers probably don't know our use.

Has anyone here bought it in person in the US. And wouls be comfortable explaining what the process is like and if they asked questions. I kinda suck bad with lying lol. Like real messing bad lol. :P

 

[HorriblePain]

Thank you for being so helpful. I found another tank. This one has more details:
550 Liter Cylinder (E)
Contents: 550 liters (19.5 cu. ft.)
Pressure: 2200 PSIG
Outlet: CGA 580
Weight: 12.9 lbs.
Dimensions: 4 1⁄6" x 20 1⁄2"
D.O.T. Specs: E8990 NRC
Disposable tank

Based on that information, do you think this tank would be adequate? The website has an email for getting more information but I don't know enough about tanks to even know what to ask or how to word it. Would I say "is this tank 100 bars or 200 bars?" or should I word it some other way? Thank you again for taking the time.

 

[Kapsyl]

Thank you for being so helpful. I found another tank. This one has more details:
550 Liter Cylinder (E)
Contents: 550 liters (19.5 cu. ft.)
Pressure: 2200 PSIG
Outlet: CGA 580
Weight: 12.9 lbs.
Dimensions: 4 1⁄6" x 20 1⁄2"
D.O.T. Specs: E8990 NRC
Disposable tank

Based on that information, do you think this tank would be adequate? The website has an email for getting more information but I don't know enough about tanks to even know what to ask or how to word it. Would I say "is this tank 100 bars or 200 bars?" or should I word it some other way? Thank you again for taking the time.

The pressure is actually stated in the specs, 2200 PSIG which equals to 151 bar. But as I said before the important information is how much nitrogen the canister holds. In this case 550 liters which will last you 36 min at 15/lpm. Which method do you intend to use?

Have you checked the purity of the nitrogen? PP states purity at least 98%

Other than that is looks good, I personally would prefer a bigger tank for practice runs at checking the setup.

 

[Tears in Rain]

Has anyone here bought it in person in the US. And wouls be comfortable explaining what the process is like and if they asked questions. I kinda suck bad with lying lol. Like real messing bad lol. :P

You may not get asked why you need it. You could say you/a relative needs it for beer brewing, or welding.
Here's one girls experience of buying nitrogen:

Buying N2: My Experience

Hello people! I'm super excited about my accomplishment today and I just wanted to share my experience in hopes others will find it helpful. However, this is still just my story. Thanks for reading! :) Today, I purchased one 40 cubic foot tank of compressed Nitrogen. For the longest time, I...

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Good Night!

This is it, I think. I’ve got my N2 and exit bag ready. I’ve driven to my spot. Hopefully it’s good enough so that no one will notice me…I guess we’ll find out. I’m glad I found this website. Everyone on here has been great and very helpful. I only hope for the best on your ctb journeys...

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[outrider567]

Sorry to get in the way of y'alls conversation. :P But I was looking into using N rather than SN to CTB due to the somewhat scarce access to SN. I live in Texas and it sounds as though N is far more accessable for my location. Not necessaruly asking for sources. But can anyone explain to me the restrictions and methods surrounding getting a container and N? Also, from what I can tell an EEBD Hood can be bought from just about anywhere without problem correct?
Hope this isnt too much to ask! :P

Send me a PM if you want more info

 

[Coconteppi]

Send me a PM if you want more info

Thank you so much! :) I'll keep this in mind. But am currently still working to talk enough on here to even be able to PM yet. But I'll send a PM your way when I'm able to :) Thank you again for being so kind :)

 

[thegoldengirls]

I guess the hood might be a little less claustrophobic, there will be a bit more space in front of your upper face. But it's still covering your entire head, and the length of time to lose consciousness may still be 30+ seconds.

But if you want to try it, you just need to get mini hose clamps, to go with the hood. You cut the metal connector off the end of the hood hose, and then attach the hose to the regulator hose barb with one or two small hose clamps/clips.
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Thanks for the information.
Meh, after thinking it seems like it's not worth the hassle if unconsciousness is as slow as the exit bag. I'll look for another alternative, browse e-bay and probably invest in Scba.
This is the cheap option.



This one below is a little over 2000 USD.

I'd be willing to invest in this. I will look through Gasmonkey's posts to study further.

 

[Tears in Rain]

Thanks for the information.
Meh, after thinking it seems like it's not worth the hassle if unconsciousness is as slow as the exit bag.

I honestly don't know if there would be much difference in the time taken to lose consciousness with a hood versus an exit bag. Probably not much.

I'll look for another alternative, browse e-bay and probably invest in Scba.
This is the cheap option.

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This one below is a little over 2000 USD.
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I'd be willing to invest in this. I will look through Gasmonkey's posts to study further.

Have a look at the SCBA megathread. It shows why @GasMonkey advised against hooking up a SCBA mask directly to a gas regulator. Basically, because the inner mask is small and has a low inner volume, you would need a high LPM flow to keep up with each inhalation of nitrogen. He more or less advised that anyone going with the SCBA method to buy specialised SCBA regulators.

The top mask above does not have a specialised regulator. If you buy something like that, use a high LPM flow.

The SCBA megathread mentions recommended SCBA masks & regulators, and potential prices.

GasMonkey Setup [Nitrogen SCBA]

What purity was it advertised as? 3.5 (99,95 %) :(

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[Kapsyl]

Have a look at the SCBA megathread. It shows why @GasMonkey advised against hooking up a SCBA mask directly to a gas regulator. Basically, because the inner mask is small and has a low inner volume, you would need a high LPM flow to keep up with each inhalation of nitrogen.

One could almost say that a solution to this problem is a reservoir between the mask and the nitrogen

 

[Tears in Rain]

One could almost say that a solution to this problem is a reservoir between the mask and the nitrogen

Your comment about a reservoir rung a bell with me, I remembered @GasMonkey saying something about that. After doing a search I came across some of his posts about hooking up a mask directly to a regulator, and he mentioned a reservoir:

A mask connected to a flow regulator is not viable unless you use a huge flow rate or it has a reservoir bag in the middle (like Non-ReBreather masks) to be able to meet the demands of inhalation. A mask doesn't have enough inner volume to act as a reservoir. Also CPAP masks are not good CTB.

If you like masks the way to go is SCBA or SCUBA which work on-demand.
Other implementations: good old ExitBag, constant flow hoods, EEBD hoods.​

That's not a SCBA mask, that's a constant flow mask. A mask connected to a flow regulator is not viable unless you use a huge flow rate or it has a reservoir bag in the middle (like Non-ReBreather masks) to be able to meet the demands of inhalation. A mask doesn't have enough inner volume to act as a reservoir. SCBA and SCUBA masks work because they are connected to a demand valve that pumps all the gas needed on-demand. Constant flow masks are used connected to air pumps at very high flow rates.​

So it seems like your method of a reservoir between the regulator and mask is in line @GasMonkey's advice.

I know nothing about the use of a reservoir, you seem to know what you're doing in that regard.

 

[Kapsyl]

Your comment about a reservoir rung a bell with me, I remembered @GasMonkey saying something about that. After doing a search I came across some of his posts about hooking up a mask directly to a regulator, and he mentioned a reservoir:


So it seems like your method of a reservoir between the regulator and mask is in line @GasMonkey's advice.

I know nothing about the use of a reservoir, you seem to know what you're doing in that regard.

I'm just more determined to make my method work out of principle than practicality. I could have gone the usual route, but since I already had the mask I worked around it instead.

But in theory if a reservoir works as good as the other methods, it would ad accessibility since many struggles to find the right adapters and regulators for scba or scuba.

On the other hand, a reservoir setup would involve drilling and connecting hoses and bleed valves to successfully making it work. I would anticipate that would refrain people from going this route since assembling parts is way easier then building a reservoir.

But it would probably be a cheaper option then scba/scuba and ad more variety of face masks one could use.

 

[thegoldengirls]

I honestly don't know if there would be much difference in the time taken to lose consciousness with a hood versus an exit bag. Probably not much.



Have a look at the SCBA megathread. It shows why @GasMonkey advised against hooking up a SCBA mask directly to a gas regulator. Basically, because the inner mask is small and has a low inner volume, you would need a high LPM flow to keep up with each inhalation of nitrogen. He more or less advised that anyone going with the SCBA method to buy specialised SCBA regulators.

The top mask above does not have a specialised regulator. If you buy something like that, use a high LPM flow.

The SCBA megathread mentions recommended SCBA masks & regulators, and potential prices.

GasMonkey Setup [Nitrogen SCBA]

What purity was it advertised as? 3.5 (99,95 %) :(

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Holy moly.

Now I understand why some are deterred from this method.


I maybe a little confused, but a specialised regulator like this?



Looking at an image of Gasmonkey's setup, I can't seem to place if the item above is another variation of the piece circled in Gasmonkey's setup below? So, getting the item above would work?

It takes me time to process new information when I'm learning so if I'm way off, please anyone correct me.

-So, the Atmosphere Scba mask M complete
-Pressure gauge
-Scba diving pressure gauge
An estimated price of minimum 2600 USD. Wow.
I already have the Nitrogen tank.
-The air to Nitrogen adapter alone is 80 bucks!
Makes me think twice about this, but according to posters on here, the time for unconsciousness with Scba is quicker, hence, SI not really being a factor...so there's an advantage.

I think what's more intimidating is if when I get all the components to do this set up, will it be self explanatory as far as putting things together goes. Before I make any rash decisions, I would just read up on the threads more.
I would definitely want to start ordering things this week.

Have you @Tears in Rain used SCBA in your setup, or the standard exit bag?
I wonder what chances are of having SI with this setup, it would suck to spend all this money only to have the same obstacle I have with the exit bag.
The thing with CtB is that if one invests in different methods under the guise that they'll be gone anyway, so who cares about the debt. But having the methods not work, while piling up debt is no fun.

 

[Kapsyl]

I wonder what chances are of having SI with this setup, it would suck to spend all this money only to have the same obstacle I have with the exit bag.
The thing with CtB is that if one invests in different methods under the guise that they'll be gone anyway, so who cares about the debt. But having the methods not work, while piling up debt is no fun.

What would you say is the biggest hurdle of SI that's bothering you? Is it the co2 levels in the bag rising, claustrophobia or the fact you making an active decision to die which makes you abort.

A hood would fix the co2 levels and the heat you mentioned, but not really the claustrophobia or the decision making.

As for a mask setup I don't find those methods particularly claustrophobic or restrictive, but I had some experience wearing one under different circumstances.

Practice would make it easier but that would involve using an air tank for scuba,scba.

My plan to combatant SI is doing it in the night when I'm really tired, not making a huge deal out of it. But for that mentality I need to be sure about my equipment, knowledgeable about how to use it and how it works. Finally determined and calm to make the final decision since it will require some mental powers to either put on the bag/mask.

As for the scba/scuba setup, I would ask myself. Do you wish to change because of the quicker time to lose unconsciousness it benefits? Or to avoid the uncomfortable parts of the bag, claustrophobia, hot, co2.

 

[thegoldengirls]

What would you say is the biggest hurdle of SI that's bothering you? Is it the co2 levels in the bag rising, claustrophobia or the fact you making an active decision to die which makes you abort.

A hood would fix the co2 levels and the heat you mentioned, but not really the claustrophobia or the decision making.

As for a mask setup I don't find those methods particularly claustrophobic or restrictive, but I had some experience wearing one under different circumstances.

Practice would make it easier but that would involve using an air tank for scuba,scba.

My plan to combatant SI is doing it in the night when I'm really tired, not making a huge deal out of it. But for that mentality I need to be sure about my equipment, knowledgeable about how to use it and how it works. Finally determined and calm to make the final decision since it will require some mental powers to either put on the bag/mask.

As for the scba/scuba setup, I would ask myself. Do you wish to change because of the quicker time to lose unconsciousness it benefits? Or to avoid the uncomfortable parts of the bag, claustrophobia, hot, co2.

The biggest hurdle of the SI is when the bag is over my head, I feel like I'm gasping for breath or suffocating?
I'm able to take about three breathes before the discomfort becomes unbearable. As if I'm suffocating?
Then, to get relief, I find myself loosening up the bag a bit.
Getting the air from outside the bag is so relieving. I can have the bag over my head with the bag loosened up over my face, Nitrogen blowing in with no problem.
It's when I pull the inflated tightened bag down,(two fingers spaced) that I get that uncomfortable feeling of being suffocated and I get really hot, sweat and then I panick. It's hard to describe.
I feel like the videos of the Dr.Philip Nitschke, he makes it seems so easy. I guess he's a good salesman first. "After two breathes, your unconscious. " Not in my case.
As far as deciding factors, this is something I definitely want to do so it's not a matter of me having second thoughts.
If I know the hood would alleviate that suffocating feeling, I can probably tolerate that.
I think you're onto something, ctb at night right before sleep actually sounds like a good idea.
I'm still weighing my options, but If I get a hood such as this one, are there other compartments I need?

 

[Kapsyl]

The biggest hurdle of the SI is when the bag is over my head, I feel like I'm gasping for breath or suffocating?
I'm able to take about three breathes before the discomfort becomes unbearable. As if I'm suffocating?
Then, to get relief, I find myself loosening up the bag a bit.
Getting the air from outside the bag is so relieving. I can have the bag over my head with the bag loosened up over my face, Nitrogen blowing in with no problem.
It's when I pull the inflated tightened bag down,(two fingers spaced) that I get that uncomfortable feeling of being suffocated and I get really hot, sweat and then I panick.

Well that certainly sounds uncomfortable and stressful, I can sympathize you seek alternatives.

I'm no expert with the hoods but since the nitrogen directly flow in the mouth area and have co2 valves it is a superior setup, comfort wise at least.

The best setup is arguably still scuba/scba but the hood is still an upgrade from the bag.

Other than the hood you will need to connect the hose with the regulator, the hose is often quite short so an extension is often used. There is guides on the hood tread but no major components are needed other then hose clamps and extensions.

 

[PrisonPlanetBreak]

Hey all, can anyone help me with figuring out what the second valve on this regulator does?



I did a test with an exit bag, and the big valve is most definitely the pressure valve. I opened up the cylinder valve, and then started adjusting the pressure to 25LPM (I have an Argon tank), but the hiss coming out of the hose was pretty quiet to what I expected. So the bag was filling up slowly (35x43cm), and when it did eventually fill up, I exhaled completely, pulled down the bag and took a deep breath, which immediately depleted the bag almost completely and then it wouldn't fill back up quick enough. So panic response set in and I had to abort.

Hence I tried messing around with the second valve (the small one). Facing it, I rotated it counter-clockwise until it wouldn't budge, and that's when the hiss coming out of the hose became audibly louder, yet the pressure still read 25LPM for output. So I reset, and when I pulled down the bag and took a deep breath the hose immediately filled it up again. No panic response and vision started going dark after my second breath.

I am asking because I don't know what the second valve does exactly and I am afraid to deplete the tank too fast. @Tears in Rain You seem very knowledgeable on this method, so your input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!​

 

[thegoldengirls]

Well that certainly sounds uncomfortable and stressful, I can sympathize you seek alternatives.

I'm no expert with the hoods but since the nitrogen directly flow in the mouth area and have co2 valves it is a superior setup, comfort wise at least.

The best setup is arguably still scuba/scba but the hood is still an upgrade from the bag.

Other than the hood you will need to connect the hose with the regulator, the hose is often quite short so an extension is often used. There is guides on the hood tread but no major components are needed other then hose clamps and extensions.

Yes! It's a very distressing feeling. I hear @TiredHorse had this similar issue. That's why I will be logical and not make rash decisions and upgrade gradually. I've already started from the least inexpensive method, and that hasn't worked.
And reading your response gave me clarity, so, instead of making the extreme jump in purchasing SCBA gear, I purchased the hood instead at under 100 USD.
I will have to be patient being that I won't receive it until the end of the month. In the meantime, I already have a Nitrogen tank so at least I know I'm good in that department. Now, it's a matter of waiting and hoping my SI doesn't fail me when I attempt with the hood.

 

[Tears in Rain]

Holy moly.

Now I understand why some are deterred from this method.


I maybe a little confused, but a specialised regulator like this?

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Looking at an image of Gasmonkey's setup, I can't seem to place if the item above is another variation of the piece circled in Gasmonkey's setup below? So, getting the item above would work?

It takes me time to process new information when I'm learning so if I'm way off, please anyone correct me.
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You could hook up a SCBA mask directly to a normal gas regulator, like the one in your top picture, but @GasMonkey advised against it.
He advised to use the specialised SCBA regulators that firefighters use.

For the SCBA and SCUBA methods there are two specialised regulators used. They are different to the gas regulator in your 1st image. One SCBA regulator is hooked up to the cylinder, and a second regulator is attached to the front of the SCBA mask.
You don't use the normal gas regulator, the one in your first picture. Those regulators are used in the exit bag and hood methods.

In your 2nd picture, @GasMonkey had a German/EU SCBA setup. So the silver thing attached to the cylinder is the EU/DIN SCBA adapter. The 1st stage SCBA regulator is screwed into that(the black thing at the end of the SCBA hose).

Look at the SCBA megathread for all the info you need. You're right, it's complicated on first viewing, but if you go over the posts on that thread, you will eventually get it.

Have you @Tears in Rain used SCBA in your setup, or the standard exit bag?
I wonder what chances are of having SI with this setup, it would suck to spend all this money only to have the same obstacle I have with the exit bag.
The thing with CtB is that if one invests in different methods under the guise that they'll be gone anyway, so who cares about the debt. But having the methods not work, while piling up debt is no fun.

No, I have the hood setup. I mentioned here previously that I tried it once, but S.I. got the better of me. I didn't time it, so I don't know how long I lasted before ripping it off. Other stuff came up in my life after that that led me to putting off another attempt, but I think I will stick with the hood.

Hey all, can anyone help me with figuring out what the second valve on this regulator does?

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I did a test with an exit bag, and the big valve is most definitely the pressure valve. I opened up the cylinder valve, and then started adjusting the pressure to 25LPM (I have an Argon tank), but the hiss coming out of the hose was pretty quiet to what I expected. So the bag was filling up slowly (35x43cm), and when it did eventually fill up, I exhaled completely, pulled down the bag and took a deep breath, which immediately depleted the bag almost completely and then it wouldn't fill back up quick enough. So panic response set in and I had to abort.

Hence I tried messing around with the second valve (the small one). Facing it, I rotated it counter-clockwise until it wouldn't budge, and that's when the hiss coming out of the hose became audibly louder, yet the pressure still read 25LPM for output. So I reset, and when I pulled down the bag and took a deep breath the hose immediately filled it up again. No panic response and vision started going dark after my second breath.

I am asking because I don't know what the second valve does exactly and I am afraid to deplete the tank too fast. @Tears in Rain You seem very knowledgeable on this method, so your input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!​

You're regulator looks like an EU regulator. I'm not familiar with those, they look a bit different to U.K. and U.S. regulators. @Elzar was discussing those EU regulators a couple of pages previously on this thread.
I previously linked the below YouTube video about EU regulators. You may find other helpful ones.

 

[Coconteppi]

Sorry to bother again! Does anyone have a good link or place to get an EEBD hood? I'm just not sure where their could be cheaper or delivered faster.

 

[color_me_gone]

I feel like the videos of the Dr.Philip Nitschke, he makes it seems so easy. I guess he's a good salesman first. "After two breathes, your unconscious. "

Yeah, when I read that, I said Hot Dog, this is now my methed. Then TiredHorse failed several attempts, due to the length of time. That's when I realized that two breaths must be an outlier.

 

[bluehawk]

hello im new, I've been reading the forums here off an on for the past year. I did purchase my own nitrogen tank (last year) and followed the steps to create a bag from one of the videos I found online.

but after reading here in this thread it seems some were not successful. I dont want to fail, I'm at a point now in my life where I just want to go thru with it. I dont know a way to safely get the SN ppl have spoke of on the site here and other sites ive found. But I do have my own tank its been sitting in the corner now for bout a year never unsealed.

when I do this I dont want to fail, ive tested tonight the bag itself without connecting the tank. Just decompressing all the air out and seeing thru the foggy bag I felt abit lightheaded and felt my body wanting to gasp for air but I continued again without the tank & regulator connected.

some may ask why? well at my age I just dont want to go thru the daily fight & grind anymore. I'm tired of it all and have been considering this since early 2020. Ive tried my best to avoid using the tank but its time. I just dont want to fail when I do.

Any suggestions from those who tried and failed? Id appreciate it thank you. Also how fast is the knock out if successful?

 

[Kapsyl]

hello im new, I've been reading the forums here off an on for the past year. I did purchase my own nitrogen tank (last year) and followed the steps to create a bag from one of the videos I found online.

but after reading here in this thread it seems some were not successful. I dont want to fail, I'm at a point now in my life where I just want to go thru with it. I dont know a way to safely get the SN ppl have spoke of on the site here and other sites ive found. But I do have my own tank its been sitting in the corner now for bout a year never unsealed.

when I do this I dont want to fail, ive tested tonight the bag itself without connecting the tank. Just decompressing all the air out and seeing thru the foggy bag I felt abit lightheaded and felt my body wanting to gasp for air but I continued again without the tank & regulator connected.

Hi, I haven't tested the bag myself but I can answer some of your questions.

First of if you successfully constructed a functioning bag with elastics and tubing for inert gas you have a high probability of making it. The biggest hurdle people face is overcoming the panic and instincts to abort and rip of the bag. Some have had problems of feeling suffocated and hot which makes the temptation to abort a real problem. But since you already tried it without gas and almost passed out I think you will have less problem with this method.

Once you become unconscious the biggest risk for failure is either the bag removes itself from falling or someone finds you and "saves" you.

Its important to secure the body so when falling over from unconsciousness one does not rip the bag of and it stays on. Use a comfortable chair with arms and secure yourself with pillows to ensure this or straps. It takes approximately 15-20 min until death so it's crucial that you are alone for a few hour atleast to ensure. Almost all failures has been before one becomes unconscious, after that line has been crossed not many survive to tell the tale.

Some say it takes 30-60 seconds to become unconscious but it seems to vary it may take longer. The important variable here is to decompress the bag first to ensure it only contains inert gas. Secondly to take a deep breath and clear out your system of oxygen which will be replaced by the inert gas. The less oxygen the body have the more it can be replaced with inert gas which equals faster unconsciousness.

Hope this answer some of your questions, I'm happy to answer any more.

 

[bluehawk]

Hi, I haven't tested the bag myself but I can answer some of your questions.

First of if you successfully constructed a functioning bag with elastics and tubing for inert gas you have a high probability of making it. The biggest hurdle people face is overcoming the panic and instincts to abort and rip of the bag. Some have had problems of feeling suffocated and hot which makes the temptation to abort a real problem. But since you already tried it without gas and almost passed out I think you will have less problem with this method.

Once you become unconscious the biggest risk for failure is either the bag removes itself from falling or someone finds you and "saves" you.

Its important to secure the body so when falling over from unconsciousness one does not rip the bag of and it stays on. Use a comfortable chair with arms and secure yourself with pillows to ensure this or straps. It takes approximately 15-20 min until death so it's crucial that you are alone for a few hour atleast to ensure. Almost all failures has been before one becomes unconscious, after that line has been crossed not many survive to tell the tale.

Some say it takes 30-60 seconds to become unconscious but it seems to vary it may take longer. The important variable here is to decompress the bag first to ensure it only contains inert gas. Secondly to take a deep breath and clear out your system of oxygen which will be replaced by the inert gas. The less oxygen the body have the more it can be replaced with inert gas which equals faster unconsciousness.

Hope this answer some of your questions, I'm happy to answer any more.

Thank You appreciate your reply, the bag I constructed I just followed the video that is online by the Asian guy. I used the porous medical tape bought at local store then used an turkey oven bag and just a twine similar to what he used in the video with a cinch clip. I followed the instructions exactly how he made his bag exactly.

the part I am concerned about is the bag being removed at the last few seconds before falling unconscious. No one is around I am in my own place so no interruptions I am thinking will this work if I am laying down on my bed with the hose taped inside the bag on the side instead of the back of the head. This way when I do fall unconscious there is no risk of the bag being disturbed or falling off.

the images ive seen drawings of sitting in a chair which I do have but perhaps laying down might be better? Also ..... is there anything I can consume that will insure to lessen the possible panic of removing the bag those last few seconds? Something accessable? I dont drink never had a drinking problem infact I havent had a drink in many many years. I was thinking sleeping pills? I donno I just want to go I am tired of this fight and struggle and I dont want to ever come back Ive well over paid my dues and just want to exit this world forever

 

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the part I am concerned about is the bag being removed at the last few seconds before falling unconscious.

If the hood would somehow be removed while falling unconscious you would simply wake up feeling quite confused and disoriented and possibly with a hell of an headache, but you would recover. This is one of the benefits of inert gas, nothing really permanently affects you if you abort before unconsciousness.

No one is around I am in my own place so no interruptions I am thinking will this work if I am laying down on my bed with the hose taped inside the bag on the side instead of the back of the head. This way when I do fall unconscious there is no risk of the bag being disturbed or falling off.

There is some mixed opinions about lying down, I suspect they are worried about the overpressure being compromised and let air flowing inside the bag. I would personally not lie down and instead use a wingback chair with pillows or something equal.

Also ..... is there anything I can consume that will insure to lessen the possible panic of removing the bag those last few seconds? Something accessable? I dont drink never had a drinking problem infact I havent had a drink in many many years. I was thinking sleeping pills? I donno I just want to go I am tired of this fight and struggle and I dont want to ever come back Ive well over paid my dues and just want to exit this world forever

I'm not sure, you would have to be somewhat clear in your mind to proceed with the necessary steps, alcohol would make it easier but would risk making a mistake. I plan doing it at night when I'm really tired, no alcohol out of principle. In my country they perform autopsy and I intend to go with a clear mind.