Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[anonaon]

Will buying Nitrogen raise any suspicions?

Not really

What should I say if someone asks me the purpose of purchasing it?

Nitrogen has a lot of food applications like making cold brew coffee at home or preserving bulked goods like beans, wheat, even chips...

If youre confident enough you can even make up random bs like trying to create a cyrogenic reptile tank for your new pet snake or smth

 

[curtaincall]

Does the cylinder have to be vertical?

I may need to put it on its side. Online advice says don't do this but does anyone know if it really has any impact?

 

[outrider567]

Does the cylinder have to be vertical?

I may need to put it on its side. Online advice says don't do this but does anyone know if it really has any impact?

no idea, but mine will be standing up

 

[sensenmann]

Does the cylinder have to be vertical?

I may need to put it on its side. Online advice says don't do this but does anyone know if it really has any impact?

It should be stored vertical for long term, when transporting it is fine to put horizontal if the transport cap is screwed on.

When it is horizontal, there is more pressure being put on the valve, and that get dangerous if there is liquid gas in the cylinder.

 

[Mare Imbrium]

When it is horizontal, there is more pressure being put on the valve, and that get dangerous if there is liquid gas in the cylinder.
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I think gas, that is not liquid, like Nitrogen, can be used horizontal?

 

[Falling Slowly]

In previous posts, some people were wondering about the coupling/coupler that goes with a Scott 3M ELSA hood hose connection, to hook up to a regulator with a BSP (British Standard) connection. The Rectus 95ks female coupling DOES fit that hood hose connection, I checked it today. (Mine is a 3/8" female coupling that hooks up to a regulator with a 3/8" outlet. )

So any hood/mask with a CEN-type hose connection, use a Rectus 95ks coupling with a British standard regulator; in the U.S. use a CEJN 340 series female coupling to hook up to a U.S. standard regulator.

And if your hood hose is too short, just buy a 3M Scott extension hose with the same CEN-type connection. No need to go cutting hoses and messing with adapters, it's all click-and- connect from hose to coupling/coupler. Then screw on the coupler to the regulator.

Thanks to @GasMonkey and others for pointing me in the right direction for that coupling.

 

[sensenmann]

When it is horizontal, there is more pressure being put on the valve, and that get dangerous if there is liquid gas in the cylinder.

I think gas, that is not liquid, like Nitrogen, can be used horizontal?
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It should be fine, just secure it somehow to make sure it doesn't roll away.

 

[Willthishelp?]

both will do the job but the 5L cylinder provides a greater safety margin

Is 5 liter enough for eebd?

 

[Falling Slowly]

Is 5 liter enough for eebd? 2

Plenty enough. 2 litre is probably enough if you have your setup done properly and don't waste any gas. But I switched from a 2 litre to a 9 litre(next one up in the place I purchased) just to give room to test the whole setup out, and not be worried I don't have enough gas to ctb.

 

[Willthishelp?]

Plenty enough. 2 litre is probably enough if you have your setup done properly and don't waste any gas. But I switched from a 2 litre to a 9 litre(next one up in the place I purchased) just to give room to test the whole setup out, and not be worried I don't have enough gas to ctb.

I am still scared it's not enough.. it's only like 40 minutes at 25 lpm right

 

[Falling Slowly]

I am still scared it's not enough.. it's only like 40 minutes at 25 lpm right

Well, according to the PPH, death from hypoxia occurs in 5-10 mins (@15 LPM). So 40 mins at 25 lpm is plenty.

 

[ipmanwc0]

Do people favor SCBA/SCUBA/EEBD over the exit bag because they're more reliable? Additionally, after reading PPH I inferred that with the exit bag you can pull it down and take a deep breath and lose consciousness after only a couple breaths whereas SCBA/SCUBA/EEBD takes at least 30 seconds. So with the latter, you are more likely to succeed but have half a minute of discomfort and time to back out (which is I consider a bad thing)? Also SCBA/SCUBA/EEBD needs a higher flow rate (25 lpm vs exit bag 15lpm according to pph)? Please advise in detail and thank you.

 

[outrider567]

Do people favor SCBA/SCUBA/EEBD over the exit bag because they're more reliable? Additionally, after reading PPH I inferred that with the exit bag you can pull it down and take a deep breath and lose consciousness after only a couple breaths whereas SCBA/SCUBA/EEBD takes at least 30 seconds. So with the latter, you are more likely to succeed but have half a minute of discomfort and time to back out (which is I consider a bad thing)? Also SCBA/SCUBA/EEBD needs a higher flow rate (25 lpm vs exit bag 15lpm according to pph)? Please advise in detail and thank you.

EEBD Hood does not need a higher flow rate, 15 LPM is fine(but be warned at testing it on yourself at 25 LPH)-- and you will not lose conciousness after just 2 breaths using the exit bag, ridiculous

 

[ipmanwc0]

EEBD Hood does not need a higher flow rate, 15 LPM is fine(but be warned at testing it on yourself at 25 LPH)-- and you will not lose conciousness after just 2 breaths using the exit bag, ridiculous

PPeH page 116 "Within one or two breaths consciousness will be lost"

 

[outrider567]

PPeH page 116 "Within one or two breaths consciousness will be lost"

Total bullshit, I've self tested many times with Exit Bags and EEBD Hood, taken 5 breaths and never came close to passing out, all but one time were at 15 LPM, and once at 25 LPM--Ask Dach Nichts how many breaths he took before he passed out(25 LPM)

 

[ipmanwc0]

Total bullshit, I've self tested many times with Exit Bags and EEBD Hood, taken 5 breaths and never came close to passing out, all but one time were at 15 LPM, and once at 25 LPM--Ask Dach Nichts how many breaths he took before he passed out(25 LPM)

Yeah you're right probably now that I think of it it doesn't actually make sense to lose consciousness that fast. Guess I blindly believed that mistake in the handbook. But still the exit bag should be faster right because it is already full of nitrogen whereas the alternatives aren't. Can you answer my other questions? Is the time before you pass out uncomfortable? Are the exit bag alternatives so much more reliable as to be worth the hassle (I'm seeing that the exit bag is just a hose whereas the alternatives require weird connections that kind of confuse me when I read about them earlier in the thread)? Is there a specific EEBD/SCUBA/SCBA that is popular/known to be reliable here?

 

[anonaon]

Yeah you're right probably now that I think of it it doesn't actually make sense to lose consciousness that fast. Guess I blindly believed that mistake in the handbook. But still the exit bag should be faster right because it is already full of nitrogen whereas the alternatives aren't.

It depends on the person. 1 member on the dignitas, or Dr. Russel Ogden's, study passed out in 12 seconds. No one can exactly tell you when exactly you'll become unconscious but its very quick (no more than a min)

Is the time before you pass out uncomfortable?

No

Are the exit bag alternatives so much more reliable as to be worth the hassle

In my opinion, yes. I wouldnt trust my life with a turkey bag

Is there a specific EEBD/SCUBA/SCBA that is popular/known to be reliable here?

The EEBD and SCBA are both solid. @GasMonkey is not a huge advocate of SCUBA but if it has positive pressure then it should be viable

But still the exit bag should be faster right because it is already full of nitrogen whereas the alternatives aren't.

The EEBD and SCBA can also be prefilled before donning. Not sure about SCUBA

 

[ipmanwc0]

I'm looking for a specific eebd/scba/scuba. There seems to be a lot out there and probably most will work but not all of them so I'm looking for a specific product suggestion. I wish someone would make a shopping cart or something of all the things you would need

 

[ztem]

I'm looking for a specific eebd/scba/scuba. There seems to be a lot out there and probably most will work but not all of them so I'm looking for a specific product suggestion. I wish someone would make a shopping cart or something of all the things you would need

Where are you from?
How much do you want to spend?

 

[ipmanwc0]

Where are you from?
How much do you want to spend?

California. Honestly cost isn't a big factor I need something reliable.

 

[ztem]

US SCBA:
Drager 2216 psi PAS Lite
Drager FPS 7000(R56200)
CGA-580 to CGA-346 adapter
~2000$

US hood setup:
Drager rescue hood~250$
Drager CEJN 344 coupler~140$
ACU-200 reg~100$
Middle adapter(CGA-032 to 1/4 NPT)~15$

Both will kill you,the choice is yours

 

[Willthishelp?]

Can I use and argon regulator with nitrogen cilinder?

 

[dm1444]

Can I use and argon regulator with nitrogen cilinder?

Yes, you can.

 

[Willthishelp?]

Yes, you can.de you

Yes, you can.

do you know goodbye threads of people who were successful with eebd cbt?

 

[dm1444]

do you know goodbye threads of people who were successful with eebd cbt

@Vizzy

 

[Willthishelp?]

do you know goodbye threads of people who were successful with eebd cbt

@Vizzy

Is that the only one? That doesn't sound hopeful..

 

[outrider567]

do you know goodbye threads of people who were successful with eebd cbt

@Vizzy

Is that the only one? That doesn't sound hopeful..

GasMonkey reported a successful CTB with an EEBD Hood and only 15 LPM, and just a 580 Liter Nitrogen gas tank---Also, read Greenberg's posts on the EEBD Hood and flow rate on this thread, I think pages 40 to 60(Do not read anything from a poster named FromGermany, who spread false info)

 

[Willthishelp?]

GasMonkey reported a successful CTB with an EEBD Hood and only 15 LPM, and just a 580 Liter Nitrogen gas tank---Also, read Greenberg's posts on the EEBD Hood and flow rate on this thread, I think pages 40 to 60(Do not read anything from a poster named FromGermany, who spread false info and Greenberg banned him)

Can you post some links to his posts? Tried to find them but can't

 

[NoFutureAnymore]

@GasMonkey is not a huge advocate of SCUBA but if it has positive pressure then it should be viable

Most diving equipement isn't positive pressure. But that doesn't matter. You should verify that the seal is perfect. You can check this by putting the mask against your face and try to breath in. The seal is okay if the mask stays vacuum and no air slips in. I think it's also important to shave on beforehand.
This method is used successful:

What SCUBA equipment do you have? I'd say that a well fine-tuned SCUBA with a comfortable mask is better than the manually crafted ExitBag, it was used by SlovakGuy, likely by @Diver_K_A, and by @LetzteAusfahrt to assist suicide. To use SCUBA apart from the mask you need a regulator (1st stage) and demand valve (2nd stage).

How have you managed to connect the SCUBA mask to a constant flow regulator?


At rest the flow rate needed would be lower probably, but I have never seen a N₂ regulator which such a high flow rate, the highest I have seen was 34 LPM.

 

[Falling Slowly]

Do people favor SCBA/SCUBA/EEBD over the exit bag because they're more reliable? Additionally, after reading PPH I inferred that with the exit bag you can pull it down and take a deep breath and lose consciousness after only a couple breaths whereas SCBA/SCUBA/EEBD takes at least 30 seconds. So with the latter, you are more likely to succeed but have half a minute of discomfort and time to back out (which is I consider a bad thing)? Also SCBA/SCUBA/EEBD needs a higher flow rate (25 lpm vs exit bag 15lpm according to pph)? Please advise in detail and thank you.

It's just click-and-connect/ screw-on with the hood/mask methods, no need to go messing with tubes and creating an exit bag that you hope will have no leaks.