Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[GasMonkey]

You don't need to do the pre-deep breaths thing with the EEBD hood, it has CO₂ exhalation valves in the mask.

 

[OnTheRoad]

One of the drawbacks of the PPeH exit bag procedure is that after pulling the bag down over your head, your first few exhales will contain quite a bit of O2 and CO2. What if you exhaled those first few breaths into a another tube so it doesn't go into the bag. The tube would only be a foot long, but maybe a larger size. So you would be inhaling through your nose only, and exhaling through your mouth into the tube. When you start feeling the effects of the N2, you simply pull the short tube out.

 

[efilist]

One of the drawbacks of the PPeH exit bag procedure is that after pulling the bag down over your head, your first few exhales will contain quite a bit of O2 and CO2. What if you exhaled those first few breaths into a another tube so it doesn't go into the bag. The tube would only be a foot long, but maybe a larger size. So you would be inhaling through your nose only, and exhaling through your mouth into the tube. When you start feeling the effects of the N2, you simply pull the short tube out.

That's why they tell you to hyperventilate first in that book, gets rid of most of the CO2, then no need for a tube. The other way sounds too complex, as you will have little if any warning of effects of N2.

 

[GasMonkey]

So you would be inhaling through your nose only, and exhaling through your mouth into the tube. When you start feeling the effects of the N2, you simply pull the short tube out.

On this study the subjects blacked out in ~10 sec/3 breaths, so I don't think what you are proposing is needed.

 

[Myforevercharlie]

Have you tried experimenting with small animals? For example, buy some rabbits and experiment on them. Just put on a gas mask or an oxygen mask so you don't accidentally inhale it. If the experiment with rabbits is successful, then it will give you confidence. It probably sounds evil, but don't you dare judge me! I am ready to make any sacrifice to success. I do not want to accidentally become disabled, I want to be sure that I will do

I dare judge you. Using an innocent little creature is just despicable. You don't want to become disabled, but another life has to suffer? Yuck.

 

[Mlee75]

YES. I used to care for someone on oxygen. One day I was carrying several tanks into a hotel room and one dropped onto the bed. It dropped onto the bed in such a way that it dislodged the valve. That thing became airborne and started spinning in a circle, parallel to the bed. I was trying to grab it and I kept fumbling it. Meanwhile I had oxygen shooting out at my face and eyes, burning me (just from the cold and the air, not anything chemical). It sucked. Took me a good 5 minutes to capture it and I'm just so thankful that it happened on an empty bed with nothing else around. I basically had to finally kind of throw my body on top of it to get it to stop being airborne. Apparently to the other person, it was hilarious because it blasted into my face multiple times as it spun and made me look like those people that aim hair dryers into their mouth and stuff and their mouth gapes open and cheeks puff out. That's apparently what it looked like. It was actually scary in the middle of it. And that was just a metal oxygen tank.

Very good descriptors I could just picture it. Sorry I laughed

Have you tried experimenting with small animals? For example, buy some rabbits and experiment on them. Just put on a gas mask or an oxygen mask so you don't accidentally inhale it. If the experiment with rabbits is successful, then it will give you confidence. It probably sounds evil, but don't you dare judge me! I am ready to make any sacrifice to success. I do not want to accidentally become disabled, I want to be sure that I will do

You won't become disabled and there are videos of scientists exposing animals to inert gases. You can just YouTube them. No need to harm anything. There's all the research you need on YouTube. You have a lot more research to do via computer and no reason for you to do your own experimentation. When animals are exposed to N they do not notice and when the N is removed from the room they wake back up and start eating like nothing happened. Now please don't go gassing hamsters

 

[GasMonkey]

There is no need to use animals for anything when you can just measure the gas with an O₂ analyzer.

 

[YuckyDucky]

I've seen a "Canadian source" for a pre-built hood mentioned several times, but I seem to have missed any actual information on them. I know we aren't supposed to post sources but could somebody point me in the right general direction to find it? I just want to make sure I consider all available options. Thanks.

 

[Anzhe]

I dare judge you. Using an innocent little creature is just despicable. You don't want to become disabled, but another life has to suffer? Yuck.

Well, I better keep quiet because I already got a warning. I'm just advising all of you here not to be so haughty as to judge me because you've all probably eaten meat. I'll tell you a secret - these animals were killed because of you - because demand creates supply)) Yes, I'm selfish and I only care about my life and that's normal, at least I'm not as hypocritical as you who condemned me here for my message.

 

[Mlee75]

I've seen a "Canadian source" for a pre-built hood mentioned several times, but I seem to have missed any actual information on them. I know we aren't supposed to post sources but could somebody point me in the right general direction to find it? I just want to make sure I consider all available options. Thanks.

It's a little early. I don't think anybody is going to jump to share sources because there are hardly any. If you use DuckDuckGo and extensively search debreather you might happen upon A source and you will definitely find directions for making one.

Well, I better keep quiet because I already got a warning. I'm just advising all of you here not to be so haughty as to judge me because you've all probably eaten meat. I'll tell you a secret - these animals were killed because of you - because demand creates supply)) Yes, I'm selfish and I only care about my life and that's normal, at least I'm not as hypocritical as you who condemned me here for my message.

Just saying exit has YouTube videos that show exactly what the result is of what you're talking about so you don't really need to. Google nitrogen, pig watch the videos

 

[Anzhe]

Hello MG_49, Thank you for your reply and answer!

I can well understand this point! I hope it doesn't offend anyone or is considered super insensitive when I add for consideration whether such vegetative state may be a rather "abstract" fear ... able to hold back (and reconsider ones plan to ctb, which is not in general a bad thing)? Reads terrible but I don't know how to express that in a different way. Perhaps such vegetative state would be more bad for the ones left behind? Because the person being in such state may not at all realise anything about that state as brain doesn't allow anymore to reflect (about) it? I don't know whether this is completely true; at least a total absense of brain function would support that neither the state itself can be reflected about nor any feelings be felt (e.g. of pain or the like), which (too) would be meassured and displayed by brain function measuring technique/devises I think. Very difficult to overcome such doubts and fears but if true indeed, then such thoughts and fears are very prone to be increased even more by ones own mind/thoughts.

I imagine coma as deep anesthesia, I'm not afraid if it happens to me. They will only find me about 1.5 or 2 months after death, because - if I am in a coma, then I will die anyway. People who experience such fear are afraid of milder brain damage - for example, I will be conscious, but my cognitive abilities will deteriorate significantly, or some areas of the brain responsible for example, for movement, will be damaged in me. I am afraid that my already unpleasant life will become even more painful. Of course, it's not pleasant to think that you can live in a coma and shit in bed))

 

[OnTheRoad]

Can someone explain why the PPeH advises to not lay down?

 

[GasMonkey]

I'm not afraid if it happens to me

The vEGeTaTIvE sTAtE thing is just mental gymnastics by fearful scaremongers. For that to happen somebody has to remove the mask/bag from you at the PRECISE POINT in time when enough damage has happened to leave you a VeGGiE but not enough damage to stop the breathing/heart function so you can then breath air and survive.

Some folks here have too much imagination.

BTW what are you doing replying to messages from 4 years ago?

Can someone explain why the PPeH advises to not lay down?

Less eficient CO₂ purging.
There are a lot of medical reports of people doing it that way tho.

 

[Apo101]

Hey guys, just wondering if I have all items neccessary for SCBA?

Røykdykkersett Propak Sigma SCBA | Scott Safety

Røykdykkersett Type 2 MED-godkjent. Spesielt utviklet for industri og maritim bruk.

privat.sgsafety.no

SCBA working on overpressure which is what we want right?

NITROGEN 5 LITER (NYKJØP FLASKE INKL. GASS) - AGA

Har du flaske fra før, kan det velges denne varianten her. MERK: Vi kan ikke sende gass pr. post. Det må derfor velges Mypack som forsendelsesmå...

www.rcpro.no

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Thread adapter compressed air - nitrogen according industry standard

Thread adapter compressed air G5/8 "internal thread - nitrogen W24.8 x 1/14" thread internal thread suitable for nitrogen gas cylinder valves and compressed air

www.tek-diver-shop.de

 

[GasMonkey]

Hey guys, just wondering if I have all items neccessary for SCBA?

Where is the mask? I don't see it.

Assuming the SCBA regulator is DIN#13 (looks like it is in the photos, it's the standard Air connection in EU) and the cylinder is DIN477 Nr.10 (standard N₂ connection in EU except for countries with its own standard), yes, that setup is valid to use with that air-to-nitrogen adapter.

My setup is similar (SCBA with air-to-nitrogen adapter) but from a different brand.

 

[Anzhe]

The vEGeTaTIvE sTAtE thing is just mental gymnastics by fearful scaremongers. For that to happen somebody has to remove the mask/bag from you at the PRECISE POINT in time when enough damage has happened to leave you a VeGGiE but not enough damage to stop the breathing/heart function so you can then breath air and survive.

Some folks here have too much imagination.

BTW what are you doing replying to messages from 4 years ago?


Less eficient CO₂ purging.
There are a lot of medical reports of people doing it that way tho.

It's easy for you to laugh, but I already had the unpleasant experience of a failed attempt - I took 600 digoxin tablets and did not die. I thought it was guaranteed to kill me, but it just made my heart problems a little worse. So that's the reason why I'm so afraid of another failure. Therefore, I read everything I can find on this topic, and I am also interested in messages from 4 years ago, although I did not pay attention that it was written so long ago))

 

[outrider567]

You don't need to do the pre-deep breaths thing with the EEBD hood, it has CO₂ exhalation valves in the mask.

After about 10 months, my Nitrogen Tank PSI is down to1800, but its a huge 3000 liter tank so it should be still lethal enough for me to successfully CTB at 15 liters per minute??

 

[GasMonkey]

After about 10 months, my Nitrogen Tank PSI is down to1800, but its a huge 3000 liter tank so it should be still lethal enough for me to successfully CTB at 15 liters per minute??

If the original pressure was 200 bar (2900 psi), you still have 1862 Liters left, 124 minutes at 15 LPM, enough to CTB 12 times.

 

[outrider567]

If the original pressure was 200 bar (2900 psi), you still have 1862 Liters left, 124 minutes at 15 LPM, enough to CTB 12 times.

ok thanks much

 

[Mthom2]

This is the only FILLED inert gas cylinder I can find online. I'm unable to get an empty cylinder then go fill it elsewhere due to multiple reasons, unfortunately. I've removed all indications of brand name, or supply source.

40 cu/ft 100% Argon Welding Gas Cylinder Tank CGA 580 - FULL

All (XX) cylinders come with a 10 year hydrotest date stamped. All (XX) cylinders are within 2 years of stamped date. Meets DOT and/or ISO regulations. DOT number is stamped on the tank. Rated Safety on Valve: 3,360 psi. These are filled at industry standard of 2,015 psi. Prior to shipping, we test each cylinder for 2,015 psi to ensure there are no leaks. Manfacturer's Cylinder Specifications: 40 cu/ft Steel High Pressure Gas Cylinders: Working Pressure = 3AA2015, Test Pressure = 3360, Diameter = 6-3/4", Length = 16-3/8", Weight = 17 lbs. It is advised to contact your local gas supplier(s) to verify their policy on re-filling customer-owned cylinders. No Return on Full or Empty cylinders due to DOT regulations associated with the transport of the cylinders. In cases where damage occurs during transit, (XX) will do our best to correct the issue. Please contact us for any questions or concerns. Shipping only available to Continental US (Lower 48 States). All full cylinders are shipped via (XX) with Signature Required by the person on the shipping address, at the time of delivery. Please provide a first and last name, and a physical address for shipping (no PO Boxes). Orders without a first and last name, and a physical address will automatically be canceled.Understanding date stamps: The "hydrotest date" is the number stamped before the " + * " markings. The "service pressure" is the number stamped before the "SPUN" marking.

(XX) Argon CO2 Regulators Gauges Gas Welding Regulator cutting Regulator (XX) With 6.6Ft Gas Hose

• 1.VERSATILE APPLICATIONS FOR CGA-580 Tanks: This Gas Pressure Regulator/Flowmeter Can Be Used with Argon, Helium and CO2 Gas Tanks (CGA-580 Inlet)
• 2.Features: 2" dual-gauges for easy reading.
• 3.Safe Design: Accurate measurement of gas. Internal safety pressure relief design.
• 4.Specifiction:Brass regulator body,CGA580 fitting, FEMALE 5/8" Outlet
• 5.Hose Included: (XX) 6.6Ft Hose Quick Connect Fitting enable your tanks at a safe distance from your welding projects.Plastic adjustment knob for smooth "easy touch" flow settings.

Would someone who understands this more than I do please have a look at these and be sure the cylinder is ok for our purposes, and that the regulator is suitable?

I was also wondering about the hose. It looks to be stiff and heavy, which would make it hard to use inside a thin plastic bag. I wanted to use medical tubing (or some lighter tubing), but I don't know what size to get or how to make a leak proof fitting onto the regulator. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated.

 

[GasMonkey]

Would someone who understands this more than I do please have a look at these and be sure the cylinder is ok for our purposes, and that the regulator is suitable?

The cylinder is big enough.
For the homemade ExitBag you need a flow regulator instead of a pressure regulator, and oxygen tubing.

 

[pipapo]

is there any real evidence or info about how smoking affects the use of EB ?

 

[GasMonkey]

The PPeH says that the presence of significant restrictive or obstructive respiratory disease can increase the time to loss of consciousness, but you die anyway obviously.

 

[ExpiredLion]

Apologies if it is already said somewhere this is such a giant thread it's hard to search. I've seen people say there are places online to actually buy the gas and have it be delivered in the states? What are those sites (or if not allowed can be pmed)? I saw something on amazon but given i share an account i dont want to buy it there.

I have a tank but I would stick out like a sore thumb trying to go into a welders shop and even if i didnt i couldnt even buy booze way back when i was underage because of the nerves. way i see it this is the ultimate version of that so i would imagine it would be just as bad

 

[wesv]

Does anyone know how many guides are there for the nitrogen gas method? Could someone PM me all of them? Thanks

 

[lion4000b]

I will be using a professionally made hood instead of my home made exit bag. I assume the process is the same?

Below are the steps Ive outlined, bascially replacing the exit bag with the hood. Appreciate any tips/advice.

Lift the hood over your face so that the elastic rim is now around your temples and just above your eyebrows, below your ears and around the back of your neck, like a shower cap Scrunch ALL the air out of the hood. The more air you can remove, the faster the inert gas will take effect.

Open the regulator and adjust the flow of gas to 15Lpm. The hood will gradually inflate above your head. It may take a minute or two to reach full inflation.

When the hood is inflated and you're ready, hyperventilate, exhale as completely as possible and hold your lungs empty. Slide the hood down over your face and settle the elastic comfortably around your neck.

Inhale as deeply as possible; breathe slowly, calmly and deeply.

Depart,

 

[GasMonkey]

Lift the hood over your face so that the elastic rim is now around your temples and just above your eyebrows, below your ears and around the back of your neck, like a shower cap

I would just pre-fill the hood over my head so the elastic is not overstreched for an extended time.

When the hood is inflated and you're ready, hyperventilate, exhale as completely as possible and hold your lungs empty.

You don't need to hyperventilate and exhale if the hood has exhalation valves, just take a deep breath of air, hold your breath, insert the head into the hood, exhale and take a deep breath of N₂.

You can use a flow rate higher than 15 LPM if you want, all the EEBD hoods that I have seen had a flow rate of 35 LPM, although that's though to be used in movement.

I saw something on amazon but given i share an account i dont want to buy it there.

Create your own account.

I have a tank but I would stick out like a sore thumb trying to go into a welders shop

The tank must be compatible with inert gas (CGA-580).

 

[yufei]

I want to ask how large a steel cylinder is needed. I'm in China. There are 4l, 8l, 10l and 40l specifications here

 

[GasMonkey]

I'm in China

Check the setup of one of our chinese members.

There are 4l, 8l, 10l and 40l

Any of the first three would be enough (4, 8 or 10 L). 40L is too much (too big an extremely heavy).
If you don't care about the size get the 10L so you have a bunch of spare gas for tests.

 

[Sparx]

I'm a smoker and had real problems with the N2 method. So much so that I had to abandon it and return the cylinder, I described my experience in this thread:

Is the inert gas method unviable for smokers?

I got a N2/SCBA kit and was 'testing' it out recently by holding the mask up to my face so it could fall if I blacked out. I'm a long term smoker - about 4/5 cigarettes daily. Each time I had to drop the mask after about 7/8 breaths as an overwhelming sensation of suffocation/panic came over me...

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