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2000 psi i'm pretty sureWhat's the original pressure of that cylinder when it is full?
2000 psi i'm pretty sureWhat's the original pressure of that cylinder when it is full?
2000 psi isn't a standardized pressure for consumer grade Nitrogen gas cylinders, it has to be 150 bar (~2200 psi) or 200 bar (2900 psi).2000 psi i'm pretty sure
That's enough, @LetzteAusfahrt assisted suicide with a 2.8 (99.8%) cylinder successfully.They said it's 99.9% pure
The website says "working pressure: 100 bar" and it's 99.995% food grade. It's the nitrogen cylinder listed on the PPeH under the NZ section. Also I'm using the exit bag method. What do you think my chances are of ctb if i go through with it? If it's risky i'm still willing to take my chances, but if it's more likely I'll end up with brain damage, I don't want to risk it. It's not possible for me to get another tank, so this one is the only chance I have for this method.2000 psi isn't a standardized pressure for consumer grade Nitrogen gas cylinders, it has to be 150 bar (~2200 psi) or 200 bar (2900 psi).
Now that the cylinder is at 103 bar (1500 psi):
▪ If the original pressure of the cylinder was 150 bar, you have 151 L left.
▪ If the original pressure of the cylinder was 200 bar, you have 113 L left.
Is not enough gas to have safety margins.
If the cylinder was full, 220 L will give you 14 minutes at 15 LPM (if using a constant flow implementation), that's enough to CTB since death happens at 5~10mins but it's better to have a bigger safety margin, and also you have to spend gas to inflate the bag before using it so it's too close. A small 2L 200bar cylinder (400L uncompressed) which is just 43cm tall gives you 26 minutes at 15 LPM. The most balanced size it 5L 200bar, which has 1000L and it's still a small and easily manageable cylinder. If using SCBA the gas comsumption will be reduced by 50% (since it only pumps on-demand instead of constant flow).
That's enough, @LetzteAusfahrt assisted suicide with a 2.8 (99.8%) cylinder successfully.
But if you can get a better one like 4.0 (99.99%) or 5.0 (99.999%), go for it, specially if it is also Food Grade (called "E941" in EU).
Is one of those disposable cylinders? What regulator do you have? Does it have a flow meter?under the NZ section
Yes, it is a disposable cylinder. I have a duel gauge regulator. This is what it looks like:Is one of those disposable cylinders? What regulator do you have? Does it have a flow meter?
so, it's not possible for me to use this method?It doesn't have a flow meter, so you can't set it up to supply the optimal flow rate of 15 LPM.
also, what is the gauge on the left for? thanks for answering my questions
Do you mean attaching a flow meter to your regulator?can I use an argon flow meter for nitrogen?
Output pressure.what is the gauge on the left for?
I mean getting a new regulator entirely that has a flow meter. Is it possible to attach a flow meter to my regulator?Do you mean attaching a flow meter to your regulator?
No, the small disposable cylinders don't have the standard N₂ connection.I mean getting a new regulator entirely that has a flow meter.
Not sure, you would have to check the thread size/type of the regulator and flow meter, but anyway Greenberg always says that it has to be an integrated flow regulator (with an integrated flow meter), which is not the same as attaching a flow meter to a pressure regulator.Is it possible to attach a flow meter to my regulator?
right, so is it possible to use and argon regulator for nitrogen?The integrated flow meters look like this:
Where did you buy all of these for that cheap?My latest proposed SCBA setup is around ~$180 (cylinder not included) depending on the shipping and taxes. You would need to determine the correct adapter for your regulator tho. The Canadian source has entire kits ready to use but they are expensive.
The regulator is from the N₂ supplier recommened in the PPeH for EU, is a low output pressure regulator (0-10 bar) which are the cheapest ones.Where did you buy all of these for that cheap?
Yep it should work. But if you can get a native N₂ regulator go for it.Would this regulator work?
M10 to What?does anybody know where i can find an adapter to fit an M10 thread?
you know where to find these?To connect the regulator with a standard N₂ connection to the connection of the disposable cylinder? Maybe you could find an adapter, but you have to be sure that it is prepared to support the cylinder's pressure (which is very high). There are adapters capable of this, like the air-to-nitrogen adapters that the people who build SCBA/SCUBA setups use which support 200 or even 300 bar.
500l are sufficent. Do you have a pressure reducer?I have a 500L Argon gas tank (Cylinder size C in Australia). Will that be enough? Also I don't have a flow meter, going to just keep the flow minimal.. will that be alright?
Yes, I got a pressure regulator500l are sufficent. Do you have a pressure reducer?
The German Jessica Dueber wrote in a book: If you have no flow meter, the outlet pressure should be between 1 and 3 bar and the bag should be filled between 40 and 60 seconds - then should the flow be an estimated 15l/min. (But you cannot rely on it.)Yes, I got a pressure regulator
You could try AL13xpr3ss or AL1B4b4, but keep in mind that not all possible adapters exist.you know where to find these?
Argon is the worst inert gas to use with the ExitBag due to its weight (less eficient CO₂ purging).Argon gas tank
That's 33 minutes at 15 LPM, more than enough.500L. Will that be enough?
No, you need a good flow rate for CO₂ purging, which was determined at 15 LPM on EXIT International's tests:Also I don't have a flow meter, going to just keep the flow minimal.. will that be alright?