Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[Babumax]

Is it really that simple with SCBA?

 

[GasMonkey]

How are the PPH Essemtials & PPeH different?

The PPeH is an older version but it's bigger.

Do you think argon would work better with an EEBD instead of Exit Bag or 3M and why?

I'd avoid Argon and go for Nitrogen.
EEBD is better in all cases, since it has exhalation valves and a better design.

Is it really that simple with SCBA?

Yep.

 

[jolongone]

I'm aLeo new but feel free to start a conversation with me (it's a way to send mail). Also, have you heard of the Peaceful Pill Handbook (PPH) published by Exit International? If you go the resources section of this site there's a link to a copy of the print version. There's a chapter on Inert Gases & Exit Bag. Even better, if you go to Exit International's website and subscribe to the online edition of the 2023 PPH you will have online access to the ebook which contains videos of how to make an Exit Bag & how to attach it to the gas cylinder and go through the process.

What do you think the flow rate should be adjusted to?

Thank you both for your reply.

Here's a link to the resources section that has a link to the PPH with chapter on inert gas & exit bag: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/suicide-resource-compilation.3/

Thank you so much

 

[MelodyCymbal]

The PPeH is an older version but it's bigger.


I'd avoid Argon and go for Nitrogen.
EEBD is better in all cases, since it has exhalation valves and a better design.


Yep.

Found nitrogen, yay! Now I'm trying to decided between

I can't tell you the name but it's a Canadian company that sells regulators from all around the world and you can buy a combo with a EEDB hood so you don't have to build yourself an exit bag but when mine arrived I found that the type 50 connection didn't actually fit onto my cylinder. EM is 2 times as expensive as MaxDog.

Um, no EM doesn't charge 2X as much for the regulators. Both EM & MaxDog charge $299 for regulators. Plus, EM's kits will shave some money off of that as well. For example, if you buy their Americana EEBD hood kit, you get the hood that's reg . $199 , the regulator that's $299, plus tubing, and male DISS fitting for a total of $419. So you can look at that as $80 off either the hood or the regulator.

 

[Babumax]

Is EEBD better than SCBA?

 

[MelodyCymbal]

Hey, I was looking at same kit. Can you please explain what the EM regulator is and why you changed and where to get it from?
I do not want to over pay for the Maddog regulator and wait for the shipping. But I like the simplicity of it and no need to research connectors etc. besides I read that the clear tubing is ideal because other tubing with larger diameter can leak oxygen in to bag.

EM sells a regulator with the click wheel settings for flow rate just like in the PPeH videos. It's the same price as MaxDog ($300) EM ($299) and EM is in Canada.

 

[outrider567]

EM sells a regulator with the click wheel settings for flow rate just like in the PPeH videos. It's the same price as MaxDog ($300) EM ($299) and EM is in Canada.

EM is better than MaxDog
Tested the EEBD hood again with the Nitrogen--Took a few deep breaths, saw the oxygen number drop to 88, took the hood off, and the Oxygen number further dropped to 64 before rebounding--So, still works well, --Think I might try again, this time at 25 LPM, although 15 is the standard recommendation

 

[GasMonkey]

Is EEBD better than SCBA?

I have both and I like both.

SCBA is the standard in the industry for breathing a gas from a cylinder while being completely isolated and protected from the external gas, EEBD is only used in emergency escapes.

SCBA uses much less gas, since it only pumps on-demand. Could be felt more comfortable than EEBD since it only covers the front of your face from forehead to chin, faster to start coz you only have to insert the demand valve into the mask and press the front button a bit to pre-fill before you exhale fully and start to breathe. It is more expensive.

The EEBD hood covers all the upper part of the torso (head/neck/shoulders/chest). The pre-fill will be much longer (you have to hold it on top of your head while it prefills before inserting the head). Once prefilled the process is the same (exhale fully and take a deep N₂ breath). It is much cheaper (around half the price of SCBA), better bang for the buck. My favorite thing about the EEBD is how light the exhalation valve is (smoother than SCBA).​

 

[Daria98765]

I have both and I like both.

SCBA is the standard in the industry for breathing a gas from a cylinder while being completely isolated and protected from the external gas, EEBD is only used in emergency escapes.

SCBA uses much less gas, since it only pumps on-demand. Could be felt more comfortable than EEBD since it only covers the front of your face from forehead to chin, faster to start coz you only have to insert the demand valve into the mask and press the front button a bit to pre-fill before you exhale fully and start to breathe. It is more expensive.

The EEBD hood covers all the upper part of the torso (head/neck/shoulders/chest). The pre-fill will be much longer (you have to hold it on top of your head while it prefills before inserting the head). Once prefilled the process is the same (exhale fully and take a deep N₂ breath). It is much cheaper (around half the price of SCBA), better bang for the buck. My favorite thing about the EEBD is how light the exhalation valve is (smoother than SCBA).​

Hi,what oxygen analyser should I buy for nitrogen testing ?

 

[jolongone]

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I have both and I like both.

SCBA is the standard in the industry for breathing a gas from a cylinder while being completely isolated and protected from the external gas, EEBD is only used in emergency escapes.

SCBA uses much less gas, since it only pumps on-demand. Could be felt more comfortable than EEBD since it only covers the front of your face from forehead to chin, faster to start coz you only have to insert the demand valve into the mask and press the front button a bit to pre-fill before you exhale fully and start to breathe. It is more expensive.

The EEBD hood covers all the upper part of the torso (head/neck/shoulders/chest). The pre-fill will be much longer (you have to hold it on top of your head while it prefills before inserting the head). Once prefilled the process is the same (exhale fully and take a deep N₂ breath). It is much cheaper (around half the price of SCBA), better bang for the buck. My favorite thing about the EEBD is how light the exhalation valve is (smoother than SCBA).​

Will l need a flow meter with the EEBD hood?

 

[itsallpointless]

Would l st

Will l need a flow meter with the EEBD hood?

yup

 

[jolongone]

yup

Thank you

Thank you

You will have to excuse me as l have never had any dealings with inert gas and am still undecided whether l should spend the money and buy EEBD hood, the SCBA mask as there are so many different ones or just make an exit bag. Totally confused

 

[GasMonkey]

Will l need a flow meter with the EEBD hood?

The kit already comes with a flow regulator, although you could also use a different N₂ regulator if you manage to find a suitable adapter to connect it to the hood, it could be an option to save money if you buy only the hood, but you will need to put more effort on it.​

what oxygen analyser should I buy for nitrogen testing ?

In theory exact sources can't be posted or named, but since this is stuff that can't be used to CTB (just to test the purity of a gas), I will say it (models of oxygen analyzers, to check for absence of O₂):
▪ CY-12C
▪ CY-7B
▪ ZY-20N
▪ JC-N3200

You can also check for absence of CO₂. Such detectors usually don't have an input to pump gas into them like the O₂ analyzers, so you must fill a small bag with your gas with the CO₂ meter inside.

 

[MelodyCymbal]

Can anyone tell me if a 3kg (1m3) Nitrogen cylinder is enough to CBT? My understanding is that is 1000L, which is enough, but just want to check as it is smaller than I was expecting - I am wondering too, that given the size, would I need to set the LPM to something specific? I plan to use the EEDB hood regulator kit if that helps.

Also - I plan to purchase online Nitrogen in the guise of home brewing, might be a stupid question but given the danger of Nitrogen (if consumed in small spaces) how do they drop it off? I imagine it would be different everywhere, but yeah can anyone walk me through how they have received an online order of dangerous gas?

Lastly (for now), what happens to the remaining gas once you have reached death? Presumably it eventually seeps out of the bottom of the mask and into the area you're in - apart from an obvious note about dangerous gas, what is the risk to others when finding you? I am not sure if I will use a car or a room, either way I want to be 1000% sure that I put nobody else at risk and it would be great if someone has any tips on securely mitigating this.

Thanks very much to anyone that can help!


Hey - just wanted to know why you returned the regulator back to EM supplier but kept the EEBD hood? Am planning to purchase the full kit + Nitrogen and based in NZ, so would have same specs. Did you come across issues with fittings or something?

Thanks, sorry if you have already answered somewhere else!

GasMonkey, one of our resident experts on the topic of the Inert Has (IG) & Exit Bag method, has stated in posts that he prefers a 5L 200 bar tank (that's a 1,000 liters). In the US, that would be 40 cu ft (1,133 L). This amount gives you room to test and experiment with your gas.
He does not recommend that you go below 2L cylinder (500 mll) or 20 cu ft. In the US. The 2L cylinder is what's recommended by Dr. Philip Nitschke in the

That's HUGE lol, too much, you don't really needed anything over 1.0m³ (5L @ 200bar). At most take 2.0m³ (10L @ 200bar).


You will need a wrench.


That's a pressure regulator. If you are gonna use a manually crafted ExitBag you will need a flow regulator.


That's a rubber washer.


Only minor movements were noted in the Dignitas study, nothing worrying.
I have straps in my setup to put my wrist into before I start breathing the N₂.

Why are you going to strap your wrists?

 

[GasMonkey]

I don't think there is much sense on replying to @manukahoney, he's banned.

Why are you going to strap your wrists?

To provent any possible movements.

 

[GasMonkey]

What? You need to breath.

 

[GasMonkey]

What?

 

[lovesurroundsyou]

Hi everyone, I have a rookie question. Some background beforehand:
I bought a ~400l Helium tank (like the ones you can buy to fill balloons) after reading through the exit bag section on one of the PPeH versions. I've no idea which iteration of the book I ended up reading but I guess it was an older one, as the numbers given by OP on this thread are way above the ones recommended in my pdf (like having to get an entire 40cf canister, which I couldn't even find being sold anywhere, and also discouraging the use of helium and recommending other gases instead).
But, well, since I've already bought the damn thing, and nitrogen is kinda expensive for me and not as easy to get delivered and hide in my parents home, I'm just gonna have to try it with this. Possibly just going to combine this method with hanging.


The problem I have rn is finding a fitting flow regulator to ensure the recced 15-20l/min. I can only find regulators for Argon or Nitrogen containers, which I obviously don't have. The connectors for all the flow regulators I can find really don't look like they would even fit onto my helium tank, which looks something like this:

And just to make sure I got this right, I would need something like this, right?:


So how do I make sure it'll fit onto my tank? Is that even possible for what I have? Do I need an adapter of some kind?
(I'm in Germany, if that matters at all)

 

[GasMonkey]

like the ones you can buy to fill balloons

Nowadays most balloon Helium cylinders come mixed with Air, the PPeH and PPH Essentials talk about this. Those cylinders are not viable to CTB (and the mixing is totally intentional to make them unviable).

which I couldn't even find being sold anywhere
I'm in Germany

The best on-line shop in EU for gas cylinders is in Germany, you can buy a cylinder there a have it directly shipped to your house. If you live with your parents getting it delivered is difficult yeah.

The connectors for all the flow regulators I can find really don't look like they would even fit onto my helium tank

Totally normal since your tank is a balloon one, it does not use the standard Helium connection (which in EU is DIN477 Nr. 10). Balloon tanks are normally used with a flow restrictor (that you have already seen since you have unscrewed it ) instead of a normal standard regulator. In the old days when balloon Helium was 99%+ pure people who CTB'd with them just connected the ExitBag directly to the flow restrictor, this was the standard setup for years until manufacturers started to put 20% air into the tanks.

So how do I make sure it'll fit onto my tank?

You can't.

 

[goblinknob]

Hey everyone, I am new here and have a couple of questions regarding procurement of the cylinder.

1. Should 5L 200 bar cylinder be enough for both test runs and the final run?
2. I'm in Germany and can order it online, but they deliver only to the front of the apartment building and not to the apartment itself, how should I carry it upstairs? The carts for them are bulky and weigh like 200kgs. Will it be a problem if someone sees me with it? It's not illegal, but I'm paranoid anyway. I guess a good cover story for buying nitrogen is infusing beer with it and for helium balloons (although I'm not gonna buy balloon gas anyway, but I can feign ignorance). The 5L cylinder comes with a carrying handle, I guess one could just carry it by the handle?
3. My biggest fear is damaging the cylinder while bringing it upstairs to my apartment or while storing/using it. How do I secure it without mounting it or using chains to make sure it doesn't tip over and explode? I found a cylinder stand from an online balloon shop in Denmark but not sure it's allowed to link/show products here. It's just a vertical metal bar with Velcro straps.
4. How do I make sure I don't fall from the armchair once I pass out and ruin my setup? In her book about the helium method the author Jessica Düber suggests using a wide belt to secure oneself, but I have no idea where to find such an item. The only comparable product I could find is wheelchair belts but I'm not sure if they are wide enough and if one can use them without anyone's help.
5. If anyone has read the above-mentioned book, what are your opinions on it? I've heard mixed reviews about the author and complaints about the hose she suggested in her book (that it wasn't flexible enough)
6. Is storing the cylinder in my closet a bad idea? I don't know where else I can hide it
7. I was also considering ordering some argon from Poland on eBay, the specific seller that I found ships the cylinders in boxes and without the safety warning, which on one side is horrible, but I guess the advantage is that nobody would know what I got once I receive it since it's in the box. I think I'm not gonna order it because I read here that argon is not really suitable due to being too heavy. Can eBay sellers generally be trusted when it comes to ordering gas cylinders?

Thank you for reading all this. I'm glad to have found this forum.

 

[Mare Imbrium]

Hey everyone, I am new here and have a couple of questions regarding procurement of the cylinder.

1. Should 5L 200 bar cylinder be enough for both test runs and the final run?
2. I'm in Germany and can order it online, but they deliver only to the front of the apartment building and not to the apartment itself, how should I carry it upstairs? The carts for them are bulky and weigh like 200kgs. Will it be a problem if someone sees me with it? It's not illegal, but I'm paranoid anyway. I guess a good cover story for buying nitrogen is infusing beer with it and for helium balloons (although I'm not gonna buy balloon gas anyway, but I can feign ignorance). The 5L cylinder comes with a carrying handle, I guess one could just carry it by the handle?
3. My biggest fear is damaging the cylinder while bringing it upstairs to my apartment or while storing/using it. How do I secure it without mounting it or using chains to make sure it doesn't tip over and explode? I found a cylinder stand from an online balloon shop in Denmark but not sure it's allowed to link/show products here. It's just a vertical metal bar with Velcro straps.
4. How do I make sure I don't fall from the armchair once I pass out and ruin my setup? In her book about the helium method the author Jessica Düber suggests using a wide belt to secure oneself, but I have no idea where to find such an item. The only comparable product I could find is wheelchair belts but I'm not sure if they are wide enough and if one can use them without anyone's help.
5. If anyone has read the above-mentioned book, what are your opinions on it? I've heard mixed reviews about the author and complaints about the hose she suggested in her book (that it wasn't flexible enough)
6. Is storing the cylinder in my closet a bad idea? I don't know where else I can hide it
7. I was also considering ordering some argon from Poland on eBay, the specific seller that I found ships the cylinders in boxes and without the safety warning, which on one side is horrible, but I guess the advantage is that nobody would know what I got once I receive it since it's in the box. I think I'm not gonna order it because I read here that argon is not really suitable due to being too heavy. Can eBay sellers generally be trusted when it comes to ordering gas cylinders?

Thank you for reading all this. I'm glad to have found this forum.

The weight of the 5 l bottle is 10 kg. Height 60 cm, diameter 14 cm.

 

[SanctionedSquad]

I don't understand most things.
I would be very thankful if someone could give tutorial pictures or a video on how to set it up correctly cause I am scared of doing it wrong.

So the questions:
1. How much does everything cost?
2. How big is everything combined? Could I fit it in a backpack and smuggle it to a hotel?
3. Where can I buy all of it in Germany and get it delivered without some type of certificate?
4. Are the Cylinders pre filled with Nitrogen?
5. How much Nitrogen fits in 40cf?
6. How can I put the regulator on the tank?
7. how can I put the hose on the Regulator?
8. How can I build the mask itself? I don't understand it at all. And how do I fir the Hose in it?
9. How can I make sure that I did everything right?
10. How tight does the strap have to be?
11. How can I pull all the air out?
12. How can I start it?

 

[Sparx]

EM is better than MaxDog
Tested the EEBD hood again with the Nitrogen--Took a few deep breaths, saw the oxygen number drop to 88, took the hood off, and the Oxygen number further dropped to 64 before rebounding--So, still works well, --Think I might try again, this time at 25 LPM, although 15 is the standard recommendation

I assume you can't test the hood as far as unconsciousness as that would be fatal. I'm wondering should I give this method another try with the hood, I felt suffocated using the SCBA mask. I put it down to being a smoker and possibly CO2 retentive. But GasMonkey thought that maybe the EM regulator wasn't delivering the N2 at a fast enough rate for the demand valve. Perhaps the hood with a 15L/minute flow rate would be better. Don't really want to go the SN route if I can help it.

 

[outrider567]

I assume you can't test the hood as far as unconsciousness as that would be fatal. I'm wondering should I give this method another try with the hood, I felt suffocated using the SCBA mask. I put it down to being a smoker and possibly CO2 retentive. But GasMonkey thought that maybe the EM regulator wasn't delivering the N2 at a fast enough rate for the demand valve. Perhaps the hood with a 15L/minute flow rate would be better. Don't really want to go the SN route if I can help it.

Well, Greenberg says it can take 3 to 6 minutes before passing out using the EEBD hood but I still just test it after 4 or 5 breaths, but I may test it soon at 25 LPM, also just to see the oxygen number

 

[Sparx]

Well, Greenberg says it can take 3 to 6 minutes before passing out using the EEBD hood but I still just test it after 4 or 5 breaths, but I may test it soon at 25 LPM, also just to see the oxygen number

I assume the 3-6 minutes is because there's still a fair amount of oxygen in the hood when you put it on? It sounds like it might be a bit like the gradual hypoxia that occurs at altitude and maybe cause a feeling of euphoria before passing out. I'm terrified of SN and would much prefer to use inert gas.

 

[outrider567]

I assume you can't test the hood as far as unconsciousness as that would be fatal. I'm wondering should I give this method another try with the hood, I felt suffocated using the SCBA mask. I put it down to being a smoker and possibly CO2 retentive. But GasMonkey thought that maybe the EM regulator wasn't delivering the N2 at a fast enough rate for the demand valve. Perhaps the hood with a 15L/minute flow rate would be better. Don't really want to go the SN route if I can help it.

OK I just tested it at 25 LPM--After just three deep breaths, oxygen dropped to 81, took the hood off,and it dropped to 54, so not surprisingly, quicker than 15 LPM--heart rate jumped to 110,also not surprising since the brain is telling the heart to beat faster from lack of oxygen

I don't understand most things.
I would be very thankful if someone could give tutorial pictures or a video on how to set it up correctly cause I am scared of doing it wrong.

So the questions:
1. How much does everything cost?
2. How big is everything combined? Could I fit it in a backpack and smuggle it to a hotel?
3. Where can I buy all of it in Germany and get it delivered without some type of certificate?
4. Are the Cylinders pre filled with Nitrogen?
5. How much Nitrogen fits in 40cf?
6. How can I put the regulator on the tank?
7. how can I put the hose on the Regulator?
8. How can I build the mask itself? I don't understand it at all. And how do I fir the Hose in it?
9. How can I make sure that I did everything right?
10. How tight does the strap have to be?
11. How can I pull all the air out?
12. How can I start it?

40 cu ft is plenty, that's about 1000 liters of Nitrogen gas

 

[Sparx]

OK I just tested it at 25 LPM--After just three deep breaths, oxygen dropped to 81, took the hood off,and it dropped to 54, so not surprisingly, quicker than 15 LPM--heart rate jumped to 110,also not surprising since the brain is telling the heart to beat faster from lack of oxygen

I wonder would propranolol speed up the time to unconciousness? Would suppress the heart racing.

 

[outrider567]

I wonder would propranolol speed up the time to unconciousness? Would suppress the heart racing.

would definitely slow down the heart rate, but high pulse doesn't bother me

 

[Babumax]

Just found out my 40cf tank is at 150 bar ? Didn't use much maybe they under filled?
How much gas is that in liters?

 

[Mare Imbrium]

Just found out my 40cf tank is at 150 bar ? Didn't use much maybe they under filled?
How much gas is that in liters?

1133 l