Is the inert gas method unviable for smokers?

[Sparx]

I got a N2/SCBA kit and was 'testing' it out recently by holding the mask up to my face so it could fall if I blacked out. I'm a long term smoker - about 4/5 cigarettes daily. Each time I had to drop the mask after about 7/8 breaths as an overwhelming sensation of suffocation/panic came over me and I never got near blackout. Just started to feel the tingling in the extremities and heart beating faster.

I read that COPD/emphysema patients are CO2 retentive and if they try to use the IG method they will trigger the hypercapnic response and feelings of suffocation. I don't have COPD (yet) but it has been far from the peaceful experience I was expecting. I'm gutted as I spent over £1200 putting the kit together and was banking on this being an easy way out. I was hoping I would be knocked out in 15-20 seconds like I had read about but it seems now for me it would take a minute or perhaps even two. I couldn't last that long with the feeling of panic and suffocation.

Another problem is that I was so sure I would ctb soon I did something stupid over Christmas which could have severe consequences for me, in a worst case scenario jail time so I may be forced to ctb even though I'm not really ready. I'm far too averse to pain to try any other method but might have to go the SN route which I didn't want to as it may not work and could be painful and/or induce feelings of suffocation itself.

Have any other smokers tried to use the IG method?

 

[InjuredBrainGamer]

I got a N2/SCBA kit and was 'testing' it out recently by holding the mask up to my face so it could fall if I blacked out. I'm a long term smoker - about 4/5 cigarettes daily. Each time I had to drop the mask after about 7/8 breaths as an overwhelming sensation of suffocation/panic came over me and I never got near blackout. Just started to feel the tingling in the extremities and heart beating faster.

I read that COPD/emphysema patients are CO2 retentive and if they try to use the IG method they will trigger the hypercapnic response and feelings of suffocation. I don't have COPD (yet) but it has been far from the peaceful experience I was expecting. I'm gutted as I spent over £1200 putting the kit together and was banking on this being an easy way out. I was hoping I would be knocked out in 15-20 seconds like I had read about but it seems now for me it would take a minute or perhaps even two. I couldn't last that long with the feeling of panic and suffocation.

Another problem is that I was so sure I would ctb soon I did something stupid over Christmas which could have severe consequences for me, in a worst case scenario jail time so I may be forced to ctb even though I'm not really ready. I'm far too averse to pain to try any other method but might have to go the SN route which I didn't want to as it may not work and could be painful and/or induce feelings of suffocation itself.

Have any other smokers tried to use the IG method?

Can I ask which scba mask you are using if you dont mind answering

 

[Sparx]

Got it from EM.

 

[my-end]

In certain places you'll see comments about needing to hyperventilate prior to donning your eb or mask. I just commented about a breathing method I practice that induces syncope (fainting), I come-to twitching not realizing what happened. It's essentially hyperventilating then I lean my head back and boom, I'm out. Working this together with iga could prove reliable.

 

[Sparx]

Thanks I tried hyperventilating until I felt ready to faint but it didn't seem to make a difference, I still had the feeling of suffocation.
Any of our gas experts have an opinion? @befree @GasMonkey @Greenberg

 

[k1w1]

I got a N2/SCBA kit and was 'testing' it out recently by holding the mask up to my face so it could fall if I blacked out. I'm a long term smoker - about 4/5 cigarettes daily. Each time I had to drop the mask after about 7/8 breaths as an overwhelming sensation of suffocation/panic came over me and I never got near blackout. Just started to feel the tingling in the extremities and heart beating faster.

I read that COPD/emphysema patients are CO2 retentive and if they try to use the IG method they will trigger the hypercapnic response and feelings of suffocation. I don't have COPD (yet) but it has been far from the peaceful experience I was expecting. I'm gutted as I spent over £1200 putting the kit together and was banking on this being an easy way out. I was hoping I would be knocked out in 15-20 seconds like I had read about but it seems now for me it would take a minute or perhaps even two. I couldn't last that long with the feeling of panic and suffocation.

Another problem is that I was so sure I would ctb soon I did something stupid over Christmas which could have severe consequences for me, in a worst case scenario jail time so I may be forced to ctb even though I'm not really ready. I'm far too averse to pain to try any other method but might have to go the SN route which I didn't want to as it may not work and could be painful and/or induce feelings of suffocation itself.

Have any other smokers tried to use the IG method?

Heya. Yes I was wondering about diminished lung capacity through years of cigs myself. It is a valid point that you raise. Can you get your hands on opiates or valium? These are very good at relaxing all that and you wouldnt need a lot. Go well and I hope Christmas incident can be averted til youre ready.

 

[Kurt]

I got a N2/SCBA kit and was 'testing' it out recently by holding the mask up to my face so it could fall if I blacked out. I'm a long term smoker - about 4/5 cigarettes daily. Each time I had to drop the mask after about 7/8 breaths as an overwhelming sensation of suffocation/panic came over me and I never got near blackout. Just started to feel the tingling in the extremities and heart beating faster.

I read that COPD/emphysema patients are CO2 retentive and if they try to use the IG method they will trigger the hypercapnic response and feelings of suffocation. I don't have COPD (yet) but it has been far from the peaceful experience I was expecting. I'm gutted as I spent over £1200 putting the kit together and was banking on this being an easy way out. I was hoping I would be knocked out in 15-20 seconds like I had read about but it seems now for me it would take a minute or perhaps even two. I couldn't last that long with the feeling of panic and suffocation.

Another problem is that I was so sure I would ctb soon I did something stupid over Christmas which could have severe consequences for me, in a worst case scenario jail time so I may be forced to ctb even though I'm not really ready. I'm far too averse to pain to try any other method but might have to go the SN route which I didn't want to as it may not work and could be painful and/or induce feelings of suffocation itself.

Have any other smokers tried to use the IG method?

Hi Sparx, Yes! Let's have a chat and compare notes.
I am also having a very similar experience to what you are describing here. We both also have the same N2/SCBA kit as well.

I don't believe the issue is your smoking. I am Not or ever have been a smoker. ...(sounds like "the house un american committee testimonies") ...There is something happening besides that. Hopefully we might be able to figure this out together and with the community. ~ Contact me.

Kurt.

 

[Babumax]

Interesting keep us posted please

 

[GasMonkey]

Didn't see this tag for some reason.

I got a N2/SCBA kit and was 'testing' it out recently by holding the mask up to my face so it could fall if I blacked out. I'm a long term smoker - about 4/5 cigarettes daily. Each time I had to drop the mask after about 7/8 breaths as an overwhelming sensation of suffocation/panic came over me and I never got near blackout. Just started to feel the tingling in the extremities and heart beating faster.

Are you sure that you connected it to pressure port? Maybe you made the same mistake as ctb7767. Same question for @Kurt.

In certain places you'll see comments about needing to hyperventilate prior to donning your eb or mask.

You don't need to hyperventilate on systems that have CO₂ exhalation valves.

I read that COPD/emphysema patients are CO2 retentive and if they try to use the IG method they will trigger the hypercapnic response and feelings of suffocation.

The PPeH says that the presence of significant restrictive or obstructive respiratory disease can increase the time to loss of consciousness, but you die anyway obviously.

@Sparx you have this regulator right?

Where did you connect the demand valve?


@Kurt you have this regulator right?

Where did you connect the demand valve?

 

[Mlee75]

I got a N2/SCBA kit and was 'testing' it out recently by holding the mask up to my face so it could fall if I blacked out. I'm a long term smoker - about 4/5 cigarettes daily. Each time I had to drop the mask after about 7/8 breaths as an overwhelming sensation of suffocation/panic came over me and I never got near blackout. Just started to feel the tingling in the extremities and heart beating faster.

I read that COPD/emphysema patients are CO2 retentive and if they try to use the IG method they will trigger the hypercapnic response and feelings of suffocation. I don't have COPD (yet) but it has been far from the peaceful experience I was expecting. I'm gutted as I spent over £1200 putting the kit together and was banking on this being an easy way out. I was hoping I would be knocked out in 15-20 seconds like I had read about but it seems now for me it would take a minute or perhaps even two. I couldn't last that long with the feeling of panic and suffocation.

Another problem is that I was so sure I would ctb soon I did something stupid over Christmas which could have severe consequences for me, in a worst case scenario jail time so I may be forced to ctb even though I'm not really ready. I'm far too averse to pain to try any other method but might have to go the SN route which I didn't want to as it may not work and could be painful and/or induce feelings of suffocation itself.

Have any other smokers tried to use the IG method?

It sounds like you had oxygen leaking into your set up

 

[Sparx]

Didn't see this tag for some reason.


Are you sure that you connected it to pressure port? Maybe you made the same mistake as ctb7767. Same question for @Kurt.


You don't need to hyperventilate on systems that have CO₂ exhalation valves.


The PPeH says that the presence of significant restrictive or obstructive respiratory disease can increase the time to loss of consciousness, but you die anyway obviously.

@Sparx you have this regulator right?
View attachment 104279
Where did you connect the demand valve?


@Kurt you have this regulator right?
View attachment 104281
Where did you connect the demand valve?

Yes that's the regulator, I connected it to the port beside the gauge, the pdf instructions said it was the pressure port. Also tried the one directly beneath it in case the first one had a fault.

It sounds like you had oxygen leaking into your set up

There was no hissing sounds indicating there was any nitrogen leaking out but I guess it is possible. I had to use pliers to connect the demand valve to regulator & the regulator to the cylinder as I didn't have the right size spanner. Everything seemed very tight though. The seal around nose/mouth inside the SCBA mask was also airtight.

 

[GasMonkey]

What was the purity rating reported by the manufacturer?
Did you test the purity?
Did you track your SpO₂ (saturation)? Did it went down?

 

[GasMonkey]

I have also added a CO₂ analyzer to my setup, to check for purity (O₂ and CO₂ absence).

 

[Kurt]

Didn't see this tag for some reason.


Are you sure that you connected it to pressure port? Maybe you made the same mistake as ctb7767. Same question for @Kurt.


You don't need to hyperventilate on systems that have CO₂ exhalation valves.


The PPeH says that the presence of significant restrictive or obstructive respiratory disease can increase the time to loss of consciousness, but you die anyway obviously.

@Sparx you have this regulator right?
View attachment 104279
Where did you connect the demand valve?


@Kurt you have this regulator right?
View attachment 104281
Where did you connect the demand valve?

Hi GasMonkey,
Yes. That is the exact regulator I have. I have it properly connected to the port as indicated on the Assembly instructions "See Attached"

I am Not a smoker. Nor do I have any respiratory issues either.

Yet.....

Here is where I am currently with my setup and trails thus far. I have had 3 separate trials. escMode is quality and straightforwardly easy to operate. The mask seals tightly and there are no leaks. The N2 has been verified for purity 3 times.

Each trail has the same results. I even videotaped myself the last time to verify everything during the process. With the cylinder valve completely open, I calmly take deep breaths. I have no sensation that I am not just simply breathing normal oxygen. Then on the breath 5-6, something physical happens. I do not simply black out. Instead I keep breathing as my pulse rate rapidly escalates as if I'm experiencing cardiac arrest. Simultaneously my body temperature jumps and I start profusely sweating. I still have not blacked out, but continuing on breathing now in a disoriented, violent hallucinatory hellish panic state with convulsive body seizures.

To say the least, it's Not the painless simple blackout I've heard about.

So, I'm doing something wrong or my biological physiology or simple prescribed meds are contributing? I've ordered another canister of n2 from your recommended Keepers of Wine :-) To see that will be the better bus ticket. I've even applied for a in person guide from the Final Exit folks. I even considered reaching out here on SS for a local partner type who has a similar system or would like to trial my quality n2 setup and see if it works for them. If it does, I'll know I'm the problem and if I have to find an alternative offer to donate my system to them

Gee, I thought it was just living was hard!

 

[5417807]

From what I'm aware smokers can take two more breaths in house fires then the average person as they're used to the smog in the lungs but I'm not sure how it translates to other gasses. I would guess it's take longer as the lungs and blood are more used to foreign gasses entering the body but it's just a guess, the smoking question is why I've been putting off buying all the pricey gas stuff atm

 

[GasMonkey]

With the cylinder valve completely open, I calmly take deep breaths. I have no sensation that I am not just simply breathing normal oxygen. Then on the breath 5-6, something physical happens. I do not simply black out. Instead I keep breathing as my pulse rate rapidly escalates as if I'm experiencing cardiac arrest. Simultaneously my body temperature jumps and I start profusely sweating. I still have not blacked out, but continuing on breathing now in a disoriented, violent hallucinatory hellish panic state with convulsive body seizures.

Interesting. Have you tested your gas for CO₂?

Would be interesting to see if you have the same reaction with N₂ from a different supplier (maybe it contains some impurities that aren't O₂?) or with different equipment.

I'd also recommend to pre-fill the mask before starting (can be done with the front button of the demand valve, pressing it creates a constant flow, which removes all the air from the mask).

@Greenberg what do you think about this? Any idea?

 

[Kurt]

Interesting. Have you tested your gas for CO₂?

Would be interesting to see if you have the same reaction with N₂ from a different supplier (maybe it contains some impurities that aren't O₂?) or with different equipment.

I'd also recommend to pre-fill the mask before starting (can be done with the from button of the demand valve, pressing it creates a constant flow, which removes all the air from the mask).

@Greenberg what do you think about this? Any idea?

Hi @GasMonkey ~

Thanks for chiming in here. Yes, @Greenberg has been extremely helpful and kind. So much so that I hate to bother him more than necessary. He offered that it sounds like C02 poisoning as I described my physical experience.

Yes, we had a good chat about this in a prior conversation privately when I purchased an expensive N2 analyzer to independently test as well as taking the cylinder back for a 2nd verification from the supplier. The results which only confirmed the high purity of the gas itself. The jury is still out on what my additional purchase from a recommended supplier will yield.

Certainly I'll pay close attention to your recommendation to pre-fill the mask before inhalation. I'm appreciative of ANY possible solutions. I have a hard time believing that the equipment is at issue. EM has been reliable for so many and specifically attentive to me with support.

I share @Sparx frustration.
Since I am Not a smoker yet having a similar physical suffocation issue, hopefully we can learn what is at issue and resolve this for any others that might have or fear having this result that we are having. ~

Best, Kurt.

 

[GasMonkey]

Yes, we had a good chat about this in a prior conversation privately when I purchased an expensive N2 analyzer to independently test as well as taking the cylinder back for a 2nd verification from the supplier. The results which only confirmed the high purity of the gas itself.

But didn't that test calculate the N₂ percentage with an O₂ sensor (100% - O₂% = N₂%) ignoring the hypothetical presence of CO₂?

I bought this today to confirm the absence of CO₂ in the gas (it has a range of 0-9999 ppm):

I'm appreciative of ANY possible solutions.
hopefully we can learn what is at issue and resolve this for any others that might have or fear having this result that we are having.

I also have another idea on why this problems could be happening with the EM SCBA: the pressure output of the EM regulator (medical regulator) is ~50psi (3.44bar) while the demand valve is designed to work on 105psi (7.25bar, typical pressure of firefighting regulators, the EM demand valve is a firefighting demand valve). When you inhale do you feel like enough gas is being pumped by the demand valve?

If this is the source of the problem, it could be solved by connecting the demand valve to a Nitrogen pressure regulator and setting it up to supply 7.25 bar (the 0-10bar range regulators are the cheapest ones so it wouldn't be an expensive change), an adapter would be needed if the thread is not the same size/type.

 

[Sparx]

What was the purity rating reported by the manufacturer?
Did you test the purity?
Did you track your SpO₂ (saturation)? Did it went down?

The manufacturer rated the purity at 99.98% (technical grade). I didn't test it as I assumed it would be ok, they're a reputable company.

I didn't test the O2 saturation either but I did start to feel light headed, heart racing, tingling in the extremities etc. It just felt like as the panic/suffocation set in there was still some way to go until unconsciousness.

But didn't that test calculate the N₂ percentage with an O₂ sensor (100% - O₂% = N₂%) ignoring the hypothetical presence of CO₂?

I bought this today to confirm the absence of CO₂ in the gas (it has a range of 0-9999 ppm):
View attachment 104336


I also have another idea on why this problems could be happening with the EM SCBA: the pressure output of the EM regulator (medical regulator) is ~50psi (3.44bar) while the demand valve is designed to work on 105psi (7.25bar, typical pressure of firefighting regulators, the EM demand valve is a firefighting demand valve). When you inhale do you feel like enough gas is being pumped by the demand valve?

If this is the source of the problem, it could be solved by connecting the demand valve to a Nitrogen pressure regulator and setting it up to supply 7.25 bar (the 0-10bar range regulators are the cheapest ones so it wouldn't be an expensive change), an adapter would be needed if the thread is not the same size/type.

This is an interesting point as that's exactly what I experienced, a feeling that not enough gas was being pumped after 6-8 breaths and I started to feel like I was suffocating.

 

[Kurt]

But didn't that test calculate the N₂ percentage with an O₂ sensor (100% - O₂% = N₂%) ignoring the hypothetical presence of CO₂?

I bought this today to confirm the absence of CO₂ in the gas (it has a range of 0-9999 ppm):

Hi @GasMonkey,

You are right, the it analyzed only the N2 percentage vs. O2. Yet it resulted in a 99.6% reading. In your opinion would a 0.3 % of C02 be at cause for such a drastic negative reaction?

Have you had a chance to test your new C02 analyzer on your own gas as of yet? ~ If I remember correctly you've done several equipement tests but not with your physical inhalation of the gas? Respecting your GasMonkey expertise, is there a reason you have chosen not to? Would you not have saved yourself the expense of purity testing if in your physical experience it was not an issue? Had I not been confronted with this after several gas inhalation attempts I imagine I'd be confident without further concern.

I also have another idea on why this problems could be happening with the EM SCBA: the pressure output of the EM regulator (medical regulator) is ~50psi (3.44bar) while the demand valve is designed to work on 105psi (7.25bar, typical pressure of firefighting regulators, the EM demand valve is a firefighting demand valve). When you inhale do you feel like enough gas is being pumped by the demand valve?

If this is the source of the problem, it could be solved by connecting the demand valve to a Nitrogen pressure regulator and setting it up to supply 7.25 bar (the 0-10bar range regulators are the cheapest ones so it wouldn't be an expensive change), an adapter would be needed if the thread is not the same size/type.

Gee, I wish you were here and we could explore this in detail together!
It give me some optimism that we could get to the bottom of this with your experience and methodical approach to problem solve.

Not knowing the EM regulator/demand valve specifications, I can attest that when I inhale there is no problem whatsoever. I feel no need work at inhaling. It's easy as if the mask is already full just waiting for my next breath whenever I'm ready.

The pressure difference doesn't appear to be at issue. But I like your thinking....

Until recently, I've not been aware of anyone with similar negative issues. If they are related it would prove to be a welcoming relief to learn how any possible solutions were obtained. Then share with others as well.

GasMonkey, I'm happy to share my address for your visit!
Kurt.

 

[GasMonkey]

You are right, the it analyzed only the N2 percentage vs. O2. Yet it resulted in a 99.6% reading.

So if you use that analyzer with a cylinder composed of 50% N₂, 49.2% CO₂ and 0.4% O₂, the result would still be 99.6% right? :)

Have you had a chance to test your new C02 analyzer on your own gas as of yet?

The flow restrictor that I'm gonna use for gas analyzing (O₂ and CO₂) it's on its way, I will receive it in a couple of days.

If I remember correctly you've done several equipement tests but not with your physical inhalation of the gas? Respecting your GasMonkey expertise, is there a reason you have chosen not to?

I have run tests on a mannequin head using a secondary small cylinder (2L 200bar).

Testing the gas on me with the equipment is problematic because if I faint (and that's common to happen, as it happened to @LetzteAusfahrt, @Diver_K_A and @Wunderkind) I will have to buy a new cylinder due to 2 reasons:
1. The mask will fall and the demand valve will pump gas full blast until I wake up, wasting a bunch of gas.
2. I can't refill DIN477 #10 (W 24.32 × 1/14", EU standard) cylinders in my country, since a different standard is used here (W 21.7 × 1/14", a connection unique to my country, which has its own standard even tho we are inside EU).

@Wunderkind refilled several times during his tests before CTBing, with a setup which was a copy of mine (firefighter Dr4g3r SCBA + air-to-nitrogen adapter) but with older second-hand gear from eBay.

Would you not have saved yourself the expense of purity testing if in your physical experience it was not an issue?

I would have tested it with the gas analyzers anyway.

I have had the idea of filling a big balloon and breathing from it (inhaling from the balloon and exhaling to the ambient several times), you could try that to check if you have the same reaction as with the equipment. When I was young I blacked out several times doing that with N₂O (which has also been used to CTB) with just a couple of deep inhalations. If you lose consciousness the balloon will just fly away from you.

GasMonkey, I'm happy to share my address for your visit!

You are too far away, hahah.

 

[Kurt]

So if you use that analyzer with a cylinder composed of 50% N₂, 49.2% CO₂ and 0.4% O₂, the result would still be 99.6% right? :)

I'll have to look at the specs again, but that is a good question! If it's only ruling out 02, then it's useless. I spoke with a good teck expert but didn't bring this up, it's an assumption on my part that it rules out all other possible contaminants....

The flow restrictor that I'm gonna use for gas analyzing (O₂ and CO₂) it's on its way, I will receive it in a couple of days.

Has it arrived and tested yet? ...If you find no issues going forward, and I still do after testing my just purchased N2 cylinder, I'll be looking to you for possibly duplicating your setup. If you are open to that. So, no cbt for you until we are...shall we say "good 2 go"

I have run tests on a mannequin head using a secondary small cylinder (2L 200bar).

Testing the gas on me with the equipment is problematic because if I faint (and that's common to happen, as it happened to @LetzteAusfahrt, @Diver_K_A and @Wunderkind) I will have to buy a new cylinder due to 2 reasons:
1. The mask will fall and the demand valve will pump gas full blast until I wake up, wasting a bunch of gas.
2. I can't refill DIN477 #10 (W 24.32 × 1/14", EU standard) cylinders in my country, since a different standard is used here (W 21.7 × 1/14", a connection unique to my country, which has its own standard even tho we are inside EU).

@Wunderkind refilled several times during his tests before CTBing, with a setup which was a copy of mine (firefighter Dr4g3r SCBA + air-to-nitrogen adapter) but with older second-hand gear from eBay.

Okay, 1. how does this mannequin head work? ~ the imagery is a bit unsettling , but nonetheless what information does it provide you?
2. Sure, I get that the mask will fall (hopefully) when fainting. Yet, how will the demand valve continue to pump gas when there is no demand? Drawing a breath is creating the demand is it not? / I'm trying to recall, when I removed the mask from my face, I don't remember any gas escaping even though the cylinder was fully open.

 

[Kurt]

I have had the idea of filling a big balloon and breathing from it (inhaling from the balloon and exhaling to the ambient several times), you could try that to check if you have the same reaction as with the equipment. When I was young I blacked out several times doing that with N₂O (which has also been used to CTB) with just a couple of deep inhalations. If you lose consciousness the balloon will just fly away from you.

I never thought of this. That is an excellent idea!

I'm with you if try this. This is a great way to isolate this issue.
So:

• What size balloons; I'll check the party supply stores.
  • ...looks like "Qualatex" balloons 11 inch are a good choice.
• Which valve to connect the mouth of the balloon:
  • Port valve on the em regulator/flow meter at what flow rate?

Again, @GasMonkey great idea here.

You are too far away, hahah.

 

[GasMonkey]

I'll have to look at the specs again, but that is a good question! If it's only ruling out 02, then it's useless. I spoke with a good teck expert but didn't bring this up, it's an assumption on my part that it rules out all other possible contaminants....

From what I have seen the equipment to detect N₂ directly it's extremely expensive.

Has it arrived and tested yet?

Arrived today, I haven't tested it yet, I have been super busy.

1. how does this mannequin head work? ~ the imagery is a bit unsettling , but nonetheless what information does it provide you?

Testing that the demand valve maintains the positive pressure, and that the constant flow button works when pressed.

2. Sure, I get that the mask will fall (hopefully) when fainting. Yet, how will the demand valve continue to pump gas when there is no demand?

Having the demand valve in the open creates an infinite demand, since the demand valve will never be able of satisfy the condition of creating a pressure over ambient (it will never be able to go over 1 bar) so it keeps pumping and pumping endlessly trying to create a pressure some millibars over 1 bar.

Drawing a breath is creating the demand is it not?

Yep.

I'm trying to recall, when I removed the mask from my face, I don't remember any gas escaping even though the cylinder was fully open.

You did something wrong or the equipment doesn't work correctly. If the demand valve is engaged, only lifting the mask a bit from your face must make it to pump (to cover the leak with more pressure and sustain the perfect seal that the positive pressure creates).

What size balloons

I have not calculated the optimal balloon size for the experiment based on the average male's lung size, I have just bought 3 sizes on Amazon (normal, medium and big) and that's it lol. One of them looks exactly like the ones I used to pass out with N₂O (aka "Laughing gas") in the good ole days.

Which valve to connect the mouth of the balloon:

• Port valve on the em regulator/flow meter at what flow rate?

Flow port of course, to able to select the LPM for the filling. Any flow rate is valid, the higher the faster will fill it, you can adjust it on-the-fly.

 

[GasMonkey]

Btw @Kurt, @Bengal has CTB'd with your same setup (different cylinder of course).

 

[Babumax]

I have the EM sticksoff mask and nitrogen valve. Is there an issue with this equipment?

 

[GasMonkey]

Not really.
You just have a mask and demand valve? You need a regulator too.

 

[Babumax]

No I have the mask, demand value, and nitrogen reg. Full kit with all the questions was concerned

 

[Kurt]

No I have the mask, demand value, and nitrogen reg. Full kit with all the questions was concerned

Hi @Babumax,

No worries, you have an excellent kit!
The few of us that are having issues most likely involve personal error and/or the cylinder gas purchased.

As @GasMonkey stated above, as well as additional 2 that I know of have successful trials and outcomes. You should as well.
When you trial with your gas, feel free to let us know how it went for you.

best, Kurt

Btw @Kurt, @Bengal has CTB'd with your same setup (different cylinder of course).

Thanks for this, as it gives hope. I hope to report a trial with a new cylinder has no issues. ~ I'm very curious about your new analyzer and balloon testing!

p.s. thanks for clarification with regards to the demand valve/seal and continued pumping of gas.
You don't see an issue here with the red button and my use.... I could not have had the full breaths of N2 if my demand valve was not engaged properly?

Certainly I want to pay more attention to see if I was just not hearing/feeling the gas escaping from the mask.

 

[Babumax]

Great thank you. I'll let u know