some words of "advice" to young men on here

[betternever2havbeen]

I googled them, imo she's worse looking than him - he's a big rugby player with a broken nose, I don't find him unattractive, he's just very 'normal'.

Really? I find him incredibly unattractive looks wise. He only looks "normal" because most men of his age look similar minus the nose, which is pretty unattractive. I don't think many guys on here would wish to look like him would they?!

 

[ChildrensITV]

there are many different perspective from females here. yes, looks matter. But definitely it matters more to women. Just look at the sheer number of female plastic surgeries

1. Men go to the gym more than they get plastic surgery because most men are deluded as to how important your looks are above your neck. Most men think working out can turn an ugly man into a goodlooking man.

2. Men are required to be goodlooking, tall, have money, have status, be well-respected, be protectors, be providers, know how to solve issues, etc, so men spread their self-improvement across many areas. However, if a man is attracted to a woman, he doesn't require her to have money, have a car, not live with her parents, be a protector or any of that shit. He loves her for being. Women love men for both being and doing. So women don't need to put their self-improvement into many areas. Just into their looks.

3. Women's plastic surgeries are often nosejobs which change their face a lot. A nosejob for a man wouldn't change his face much. The equivalent for a man would be invasive jawsurgery.

4. Any femcel can open an onlyfans or Tinder and get 1000s of men to date. I remember r/trufemcels women were talking about having over 8000 matches but nobody to date. Women are the gatekeepers of sex and marriage. A lot of women today don't want a boyfriend (unless he is perfect): they are happy with their HR jobs, "doggos", and Margaritas at the weekend with friends. Most women on this forum have a partner. Having a partner for a woman is such a non-event like owning a pair of shoes or the latest handbag. For men, it can literally turn men from alt-right nazism or terrorism into a borderline functioning human, so rare is it these days for unattractive/ugly/short or socially-retarded/autistic men to get a gf.

 

[Mthom2]

Personally, I kinda like being a bit on the fugly side. Like a previous poster said, it keeps unwanted attention away. Now, I get uncomfortable if someone expresses any interest in me.

Of course, I'm also female, so it might be off topic.

 

[OceanBlue]

Really? I find him incredibly unattractive looks wise. He only looks "normal" because most men of his age look similar minus the nose, which is pretty unattractive. I don't think many guys on here would wish to look like him would they?!

Just completely not your type, imo. I know women who find Richard Ashcroft good looking, different preferences.

 

[SexyIncél]

4. Any femcel can open an onlyfans or Tinder and get 1000s of men to date. I remember r/trufemcels women were talking about having over 8000 matches but nobody to date.

Do women dominate the dating market -- and men the job market? (At least at the high ends of these markets?) Should everything be understood in terms of this, and not separated?

On this model, is this the shadow cast by mainstream gender movements?

• mainstream feminism: attack job market, somewhat defend dating market
• manosphere: attack dating market, somewhat defend job market

Maybe I'm being goofy, but I feel there's something here

 

[NorthernMonkey]

Looks matter, but they matter less and less the older you get :)

 

[ChildrensITV]

Do women dominate the dating market -- and men the job market? (At least at the high ends of these markets?) Should everything be understood in terms of this, and not separated?

On this model, is this the shadow cast by mainstream gender movements?

• mainstream feminism: attack job market, somewhat defend dating market
• manosphere: attack dating market, somewhat defend job market

Maybe I'm being goofy, but I feel there's something here

It's probably true that men dominate in some job markets - in the financial sector but not in those to do with education or nursing. And women choose different career-paths. Most women choose not to work 80 hour weeks like a workaholic freak, instead, preferring to divide that time with socializing and other things.

On the other hand, women totally dominate in dating. The only men who are somewhat competitive with women are the top 20% of goodlooking, tall, wealthy men. It's a shitshow and we're just going to have to import more and more people from overseas to replace the local people.

 

[TheNihilisticViking]

Love doesn't exist, it's just chemical reactions taking place in the brain/body (oxytocin, dopamine, serotonin and vasopressin I think, maybe one other that I can't think about off the top of my head) as a result of our biological needs to want to procreate and pass our legacy on. I'm a guy from the UK/Ireland (not the best looking guy I have to personally say) because the only nice feature I really have is my eyes which are very light blue and I've had relationships in the past. My ex fiancee came from Sweden and I moved to Sweden to be with her and she left me for someone else which broke my heart and made my mental health problems worse, so I did some research and realised that humans are not monogamous, they're polygamous like other primates are. Everyone wants to feel those chemicals, it's a biological need, but life is unfortunately unfair and full of suffering and I still want to find someone else, but I can't be bothered with getting burnt/hurt again.

 

[LostCauseLooknToCTB]

seems like a good portion of people on here are men in their early 20s complaining about no girls.

Remember:
1) Men has a tremendous age advantage over women. You guys can produce children in your 70s, 80s. There's no biological clock ticking for you
2) Men in their 20s, most of them look awkward. When I was in my 20s, I never wanted to date anyone in my age group. They just look awkward. Things would get much better once you turn 30s, and your physical features all grown out, and look more manly
3) Looks don't matter that much for man. Women are emotional creature. We care more about the emotional connection. Men I meet, they would go from a 6 to a 9 when I, inexplicitly, feel an emotional connection, be it him lying to him and saying the right things, or just fill that emotional void that I've been experiencing.
4) Your 20s should not be about girls. I know maybe your hormones all fucked up. But your 20s should be working your ass off, build that business, making that first bucket of money. Your sense of achievement in business, career, and gym, would give you so much more confidence.

To quote Kevin Samuels, god rest his soul, women control access to sex, men control access to marriage. Once u turn into late 20s, early 30s, life would be so much better for you. You have more power in this man/woman dynamics than you know.

Hey Kevin have you tried men maybe men could control access to sex as long as it's with another guy

Hey Kevin have you tried men maybe men could control access to sex as long as it's with another guy

im not gay but it's another perspective

 

[DarkMilk]

I permanently damaged my body by doing something really stupid. Even if my life got better it wouldn't be the life I wanted to live, just one with shame and a shadow of what could be. Most people don't care about men, if you are a little different or neurodivergent, or just don't want to conform to the current trends and vices, you get ostracized. When that happens to you in your formative years and 20's, that wasted youth is something that can never recover, even if somehow you got yourself together in your 30's.

 

[InsatiableEmptiness]

Are you sure? I thought OP was female.

You might be right. I misread the perspective. Although this advice is absolutely rooted in old patriarchal, misogynistic and wrong information. Its shit like this that makes talking about depression in the 21st century so difficult and I'm frustrated by it. It's such a shallow interpretation of why people are lonely.

I can't imagine living my finite existence based off a 10 point sexual appearance system. But sadly this such a common interpretation of loneliness in a modern society and it's deeply misguided.

 

[ChildrensITV]

Looks matter, but they matter less and less the older you get :)

If you're talking about 80 year olds then sure.

 

[Azora]

Looks don't matter for a man. However, height does matter. You can be ugly so long as you're tall.

 

[betternever2havbeen]

@Azora that's one thing I can agree with-not that I think it's right at all, but that it does sadly happen. Not ALL women think like that though, I couldn't care less about height personally and many other women don't either. I always think badly of women who won't date a shorter guy, but it's their loss.

 

[Noi]

4) Your 20s should not be about girls. I know maybe your hormones all fucked up. But your 20s should be working your ass off, build that business, making that first bucket of money. Your sense of achievement in business, career, and gym, would give you so much more confidence.

Your 20s should be about building social connections and a sense of identity. Making long-term friendships and romantic partnerships is a lot easier in your 20s than in your 30s or 40s. You most definitely don't want to end up like most older people I know who discarded their identity and interests to make more money. The same applies to a lot of my childhood friends who hustled so hard that it became their personality.

 

[Tired_only]

Why do men always give each other toxic, misogynistic advice ??? They always try and put down women or compare themselves to women in order to feel better.

 

[sulli]

this is so funny do women now

 

[Little_Suzy]

seems like a good portion of people on here are men in their early 20s complaining about no girls.

Remember:
1) Men has a tremendous age advantage over women. You guys can produce children in your 70s, 80s. There's no biological clock ticking for you
2) Men in their 20s, most of them look awkward. When I was in my 20s, I never wanted to date anyone in my age group. They just look awkward. Things would get much better once you turn 30s, and your physical features all grown out, and look more manly
3) Looks don't matter that much for man. Women are emotional creature. We care more about the emotional connection. Men I meet, they would go from a 6 to a 9 when I, inexplicitly, feel an emotional connection, be it him lying to him and saying the right things, or just fill that emotional void that I've been experiencing.
4) Your 20s should not be about girls. I know maybe your hormones all fucked up. But your 20s should be working your ass off, build that business, making that first bucket of money. Your sense of achievement in business, career, and gym, would give you so much more confidence.

To quote Kevin Samuels, god rest his soul, women control access to sex, men control access to marriage. Once u turn into late 20s, early 30s, life would be so much better for you. You have more power in this man/woman dynamics than you know.

You're entirely accurate! If you deleted number 4, more people would agree with you.

You told the spring chickens to quit chasing women and start chasing paper, and now they're weeping because you invalidated their feelings!!

Gen Z men don't want to be sole providers. They're licking their fingers and gnawing on the crumbs handed to them by feminists!

You are correct that physical attractiveness is not the most essential consideration. Hygiene, decorum, intelligence, and humor are more important to me.

I don't care whether you're Brad Pitt or not. If you're an adult and don't know how to wash your culo, I'm not interested.

 

[blacksand]

Most men don't get a choice if we spend our 20s living it up as playboys and the fact you think we do demonstrates your apex fallacy. Every man remembers being 12 when suddenly every single girl was part of the popular crew with the jocks unless she very deliberately rejected them while only a small % of guys got to be part of the in crowd.

For most of us this was when we realized lower value men are simply invisible, we give women the same feeling that men get looking at a 80yr old woman aka complete lack of any kind of sexual attraction.

1. Men go to the gym more than they get plastic surgery because most men are deluded as to how important your looks are above your neck. Most men think working out can turn an ugly man into a goodlooking man.

2. Men are required to be goodlooking, tall, have money, have status, be well-respected, be protectors, be providers, know how to solve issues, etc, so men spread their self-improvement across many areas. However, if a man is attracted to a woman, he doesn't require her to have money, have a car, not live with her parents, be a protector or any of that shit. He loves her for being. Women love men for both being and doing. So women don't need to put their self-improvement into many areas. Just into their looks.

3. Women's plastic surgeries are often nosejobs which change their face a lot. A nosejob for a man wouldn't change his face much. The equivalent for a man would be invasive jawsurgery.

4. Any femcel can open an onlyfans or Tinder and get 1000s of men to date. I remember r/trufemcels women were talking about having over 8000 matches but nobody to date. Women are the gatekeepers of sex and marriage. A lot of women today don't want a boyfriend (unless he is perfect): they are happy with their HR jobs, "doggos", and Margaritas at the weekend with friends. Most women on this forum have a partner. Having a partner for a woman is such a non-event like owning a pair of shoes or the latest handbag. For men, it can literally turn men from alt-right nazism or terrorism into a borderline functioning human, so rare is it these days for unattractive/ugly/short or socially-retarded/autistic men to get a gf.

You're completely right but watch the just world fallacy get trundled out to prove you wrong. Women fawn over famous serial killers and think they get to talk down to us from some kind of enlightened deep position. My 12 year old cousin gets her Instagram inbox flooded with messages from literally hundreds of men age 12-80 every single week- to think she could ever possibly relate to someone like myself who has not experienced a shred of female attention for over 10 years is comical.