some words of "advice" to young men on here

[miserabletires9]

seems like a good portion of people on here are men in their early 20s complaining about no girls.

Remember:
1) Men has a tremendous age advantage over women. You guys can produce children in your 70s, 80s. There's no biological clock ticking for you
2) Men in their 20s, most of them look awkward. When I was in my 20s, I never wanted to date anyone in my age group. They just look awkward. Things would get much better once you turn 30s, and your physical features all grown out, and look more manly
3) Looks don't matter that much for man. Women are emotional creature. We care more about the emotional connection. Men I meet, they would go from a 6 to a 9 when I, inexplicitly, feel an emotional connection, be it him lying to him and saying the right things, or just fill that emotional void that I've been experiencing.
4) Your 20s should not be about girls. I know maybe your hormones all fucked up. But your 20s should be working your ass off, build that business, making that first bucket of money. Your sense of achievement in business, career, and gym, would give you so much more confidence.

To quote Kevin Samuels, god rest his soul, women control access to sex, men control access to marriage. Once u turn into late 20s, early 30s, life would be so much better for you. You have more power in this man/woman dynamics than you know.

 

[Anon1337]

Looks do matter for both men and women.

 

[miserabletires9]

Looks do matter for both men and women.

Much less for men.

 

[GlassAlwaysEmpty]

I agree with some parts. Im a guy, I looked very awkward in my late teens and early twenties.
By my mid twenties I definitely looked better and attracted more attention from others.
I'm so messed up mentally that I pushed away any opportunities to develop any relationships though

 

[miserabletires9]

Stop baiting.

You have several women's perspectives here saying somewhat the same thing. But most ppl projective their way of thinking onto other ppl.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Lol r u giving "advice" to young men when you're not one neither have u been one? soz i just found it a bit baffling

(doesnt seem relevant for it to be posted in this section anyway, as well)

I would disagree on the bottom part. It's relevant since there's been numerous threads from men on how they feel their looks are inferior and that causes them to want to CTB as a result of lack of romantic connections.

 

[miserabletires9]

Lol r u giving "advice" to young men when you're not one neither have u been one? soz i just found it a bit baffling

(doesnt seem relevant for it to be posted in this section anyway, as well)

I am giving advice on your perceived women problems because I am a woman.

If you are trying to "sell" yourself to women, don't you want to know what the "buyers" are looking for?

 

[WorthlessTrash]

You have several women's perspectives here saying somewhat the same thing. But most ppl projective their way of thinking onto other ppl.

You and many others reading this advice should consider the source of who's saying these things.

We are all on a suicide site, and one would think that suicidal people would rather try to lift others on here up and potentially get them off the site. So of course you and other women may say things like that to dissuade others from CTBing, even if you don't actually believe or practice it. Deep down inside, we all (aside from demisexuals) take physical attraction into account when scoping out a partner. Looks give off a first impression, and you form an immediate opinion of the opposite sex based off of the first impression. We are all guilty of it. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with prioritizing looks. It is just human nature really.

So in short, all because you and other women claim looks don't matter, doesn't mean you actually believe that. Your motive is more likely trying to dissuade people from CTBing over reasons you view as trivial.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

yeah, from my perspective, it would be relevant if it's coming from the men who's making a thread to ask for advice if anyone's feeling that way. No one likes unsolicited "advice", i might be wrong tho

I don't disagree with you on this part. My disagreement is only on that it isn't relevant being in the suicide discussion (which I believe it is relevant here).

The OP comes off as virtue signaling when they preach that looks don't matter, even though the men that got rejected probably have a different experience. I don't know of a time when virtue signaling actually solved anything, tbh. Anyways, there is nothing wrong with looks being one of the most important factors to either sex, so I don't really get the effort that is being spent denying it. Most likely reason I guess is because they want to dissuade people from CTBing over being ugly, even though they deep down inside know the importance of looks from a dating and social standpoint. Oh well.

 

[AresCohere]

why look for girls when you can look for men?

 

[WorthlessTrash]

and just so we are clear about whether it is true that looks do not matter to women,

Men's Looks Matter More Than Women Admit, Study Shows

Among men considered moderately attractive, women do pick the guy who had the most desirable personality traits.

www.livescience.com

Men's looks matter more than women admit, says study

Both daughters and mothers rated attractive and moderately attractive men as more desirable

www.business-standard.com

 

[Starlit]

…I don't think that somebody with this many misconceptions about how life works is in any position to be offering anybody advice.

 

[miserabletires9]

You and many others reading this advice should consider the source of who's saying these things.

We are all on a suicide site, and one would think that suicidal people would rather try to lift others on here up and potentially get them off the site. So of course you and other women may say things like that to dissuade others from CTBing, even if you don't actually believe or practice it. Deep down inside, we all (aside from demisexuals) take physical attraction into account when scoping out a partner. Looks give off a first impression, and you form an immediate opinion of the opposite sex based off of the first impression. We are all guilty of it. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with prioritizing looks. It is just human nature really.

So in short, all because you and other women claim looks don't matter, doesn't mean you actually believe that. Your motive is more likely trying to dissuade people from CTBing over reasons you view as trivial.

You and many others reading this advice should consider the source of who's saying these things.

We are all on a suicide site, and one would think that suicidal people would rather try to lift others on here up and potentially get them off the site. So of course you and other women may say things like that to dissuade others from CTBing, even if you don't actually believe or practice it. Deep down inside, we all (aside from demisexuals) take physical attraction into account when scoping out a partner. Looks give off a first impression, and you form an immediate opinion of the opposite sex based off of the first impression. We are all guilty of it. That doesn't mean there's anything wrong with prioritizing looks. It is just human nature really.

So in short, all because you and other women claim looks don't matter, doesn't mean you actually believe that. Your motive is more likely trying to dissuade people from CTBing over reasons you view as trivial.

First, go read my post history, and see if I am a pro lifer.

Second,looks matter. But it's definitely less for men.

If you watch some Kevin Samuel videos, most women call in thinking that they are a good catch because they have a good education (I am a PhD) and make good money. But that's not men care about the most when it comes to women. Women think those qualities make them a good catch because those are what women look for in a man. So they are projecting onto themselves

 

[avaruus]

I think a lot of women kinda fool themselves into believing they're into a guy's personality and humor. But it's often the looks that first grab their attention. So they end up finding everything he says super funny and interesting, mainly because of how goodlooking he is.

 

[AerialBoundaries]

Even if a person is extremely ugly, by anybody's standards, there's always someone out there that will find them attractive.

I don't think it's worth letting your mental health decline because of not being able to get girls, but that's just how I feel about it. It's natural for us to want companionship and I do always feel the loneliness to a certain extent, but I have much bigger problems in life than getting women and bringing someone else into my life wouldn't be fair to them.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side, abusive relationships, cheating etc. I have friends that are in long term relationships/married. Would I swap places with them? Not a chance. I do what I want, when I want. There's certain liberties that come with being single that can be took for granted.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

First, go read my post history, and see if I am a pro lifer.

Second,looks matter. But it's definitely less for men.

If you watch some Kevin Samuel videos, most women call in thinking that they are a good catch because they have a good education (I am a PhD) and make good money. But that's not men care about the most when it comes to women. Women think those qualities make them a good catch because those are what women look for in a man. So they are projecting onto themselves

Hoping to dissuade someone else from CTBing over things you don't deem as being worth it doesn't always make you a pro lifer. If you read my post carefully, I raised the point that it is in human nature to not want to see other fellow suicidals to CTB. It is understandable, even if you're incorrect about things, to not want to see others CTB.
Money applies where looks do not, but looks are still highly valued by women.

Your whole rhetoric in the OP was about emotional connection, but yet you go on to say in this reply that making good money is what is important to women when it comes to men thereby disproving your argument about emotional connection. Even IF you are correct in the assumption that looks do not matter as much to women, (and you don't speak for every single woman alive) you are still very incorrect in that emotional connection matter to women because you all but admitted so in your reply to me. Your advice in the OP, especially in regards to point 3 is incorrect on it's face.

Even if a person is extremely ugly, by anybody's standards, there's always someone out there that will find them attractive.

I don't think it's worth letting your mental health decline because of not being able to get girls, but that's just how I feel about it. It's natural for us to want companionship and I do always feel the loneliness to a certain extent, but I have much bigger problems in life than getting women and bringing someone else into my life wouldn't be fair to them.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side, abusive relationships, cheating etc. I have friends that are in long term relationships/married. Would I swap places with them? Not a chance. I do what I want, when I want. There's certain liberties that come with being single that can be took for granted.

The only liberty that comes with being single is being able to sleep around, and if you're not able to get a relationship (either because of looks or whatever else), then you're not likely going to be able to sleep around either.

If you think a relationship prevents you from doing some things you'd otherwise want to do, then that is on you for not setting boundaries. While cheating and abusive relationships are a thing, not every relationship would garner that. You cannot live your life in fear of what may happen. If cheating and abusive relationships was a valid deterrent, then no one would date. Not even the good looking.

 

[miserabletires9]

I think a lot of women kinda fool themselves into believing they're into a guy's personality and humor. But it's often the looks that first grab their attention. So they end up finding everything he says super funny and interesting, mainly because of how goodlooking he is.

Again, using my own experience. The last guy I was with, who ironically pushed over the ctb edge, when I first saw him, he was like a 6 at the best. But after we got talking etc, he was a 9

 

[avaruus]

Again, using my own experience. The last guy I was with, who ironically pushed over the ctb edge, when I first saw him, he was like a 6 at the best. But after we got talking etc, he was a 9

6 is still above average

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Again, using my own experience. The last guy I was with, who ironically pushed over the ctb edge, when I first saw him, he was like a 6 at the best. But after we got talking etc, he was a 9

Yes, see you cannot be using your own individual experience to speak for every woman... And to further drive this home, there have been women on this site whom have admitted that looks are very important to them.

Also, the fact that you feel the need to use, or even acknowledge a "rating system" on a guy proves that emotional connection doesn't hold as much importance. Why rate someone like they're a piece of meat if their looks aren't as important? The more you try to dig yourself out of this hole you started with this thread, the worse you look. Please, just admit you don't know what you're talking about and that you don't have a place to give men advice and quit while you're behind.

Also the threads that sparked this one from you are about men whom are below average. The guy you rated is above average according to you. Not the same thing, not even close.

 

[uniqueusername39]

it feels kind of insulting to have men here say im lying to myself about liking my partner due to anything other than what he looks like.

 

[neveragreedtothis]

Yes, see you cannot be using your own individual experience to speak for every woman... And to further drive this home, there have been women on this site whom have admitted that looks are very important to them.

Also, the fact that you feel the need to use, or even acknowledge a "rating system" on a guy proves that emotional connection doesn't hold as much importance. Why rate someone like they're a piece of meat if their looks aren't as important? The more you try to dig yourself out of this hole you started with this thread, the worse you look. Please, just admit you don't know what you're talking about and that you don't have a place to give men advice and quit while you're behind.

Also the threads that sparked this one from you are about men whom are below average. The guy you rated is above average according to you. Not the same thing, not even close.

I find it hard to believe the OP is a woman, no offence....but my opinion...anyway...

even if the whole 'women are this and men are that' argument is true, well, it just gives more reason to CTB because the whole concept of gender being so restrictive and cruel is very depressing.

Feels good not to give a shit about my 'biological clock' or 'catching a good man'. I suggest men to do the same.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

it feels kind of insulting to have men here say im lying to myself about liking my partner due to anything other than what he looks like.

You very well might like him for whom he is rather than his looks, but that is not reflective of every woman alive. In most cases, personality may keep you in the door, but looks get you in the first place so you can have your personality sustain you.

 

[Starlit]

Yes, see you cannot be using your own individual experience to speak for every woman... And to further drive this home, there have been women on this site whom have admitted that looks are very important to them.

Also, the fact that you feel the need to use, or even acknowledge a "rating system" on a guy proves that emotional connection doesn't hold as much importance. Why rate someone like they're a piece of meat if their looks aren't as important? The more you try to dig yourself out of this hole you started with this thread, the worse you look. Please, just admit you don't know what you're talking about and that you don't have a place to give men advice and quit while you're behind.

Also the threads that sparked this one from you are about men whom are below average. The guy you rated is above average according to you. Not the same thing, not even close.

It's always people with the goofiest outlooks that try to speak for their entire gender. Also if anybody were to call me an "emotional creature" for wanting a genuine romantic connection with another human being (that is a human thing to want, not a "woman thing" to want) I would break their kneecaps.

 

[GasMonkey]

Scientists have generated very strong evidence that Looks are the most important factor. While doing that they also discovered that the preferences that people report they have (personality first) are actually not their real preferences (looks first).

People saying that personality is the most important factor are just stating their biased personal opinion which is not backed up by anything, so it doesn't have much value (if any at all). The only evidence that scientists have found of personality having any notable impact on generating attraction in women was from dark "negative" traits (narcissism, manipulativeness, psychopathy).

Women looking for partners with money and status is a thing of the past, they already have that themselves. They want good genetics (which is looks).

Scientists already know that in a statistical significant way Looks are the most important factor. People here saying that personality is the most important factor for them (which is most likely a subconscious lie) doesn't matter (even if it's really true for them) because that's not how the phenomenon of attraction works most of the time.

No amount of personality improvements are gonna make you attractive to a girl that is not physically attracted to you by your looks. Personality is absolutely irrelevant when you don't reach the required looks rating, doesn't matter what you say or what you do.

For anybody who wants to get closer to the truth, there is an ever growing recopilation of studies in the Scientific Blackpill. I also suggest the WAW series by FACEandLMS and the WheatWaffles channel.

BlackPill denial is data ignorance.
If you (@miserabletires9) are really a PhD the data will be interesting for you.​

I think a lot of women kinda fool themselves into believing they're into a guy's personality and humor. But it's often the looks that first grab their attention. So they end up finding everything he says super funny and interesting, mainly because of how goodlooking he is.

You nailed it.

 

[miserabletires9]

Yes, see you cannot be using your own individual experience to speak for every woman... And to further drive this home, there have been women on this site whom have admitted that looks are very important to them.

Also, the fact that you feel the need to use, or even acknowledge a "rating system" on a guy proves that emotional connection doesn't hold as much importance. Why rate someone like they're a piece of meat if their looks aren't as important? The more you try to dig yourself out of this hole you started with this thread, the worse you look. Please, just admit you don't know what you're talking about and that you don't have a place to give men advice and quit while you're behind.

Also the threads that sparked this one from you are about men whom are below average. The guy you rated is above average according to you. Not the same thing, not even close.

1) you dismiss everything. You dismiss my experience. You dismiss other women's posts here.
2) if men's looks are AS important as women's looks, then why do you see so many more female plastic surgery patients? why do you see ugly rich men/young beautiful women combo, but not many ugly rich women/young beautiful men combo?
3) the guy who started that thread gave me links to his picture. Trust me, I rate him a 6 as well

I find it hard to believe the OP is a woman, no offence....but my opinion...anyway...

even if the whole 'women are this and men are that' argument is true, well, it just gives more reason to CTB because the whole concept of gender being so restrictive and cruel is very depressing.

Feels good not to give a shit about my 'biological clock' or 'catching a good man'. I suggest men to do the same.

i get mistaken as a male on every online forum... I grew up on howard stern every day, so i am very masculine in a way. And that's also another reason I can never find a man

You are not giving a shit about your biological clock with only 2 possibilities (your biological clock isn't ticking at the final stages yet), or you are so old you made peace with it.

 

[uniqueusername39]

looks get you in the first place

the funny part is we met online through a game, communicating only through text and voice, for months. it was only after i told him i like him when we saw each other through video, and we've been together since. granted my experience is not a common one, but i just thought i'd chime in for a different perspective to make this thread a bit less incel

 

[WorthlessTrash]

1) you dismiss everything. You dismiss my experience. You dismiss other women's posts here.
2) if men's looks are AS important as women's looks, then why do you see so many more female plastic surgery patients? why do you see ugly rich men/young beautiful women combo, but not many ugly rich women/young beautiful men combo?
3) the guy who started that thread gave me links to his picture. Trust me, I rate him a 6 as well

1. Disagreeing with you when you are incorrect and contradicting yourself is not dismissing your experience. It's telling you that your experience doesn't mirror every single woman. I am assuming that @neveragreedtothi is a woman, and they even disagree with you on your generalization of how women think. That's very telling about how incorrect you are.
2. Women get plastic surgery because their appearance is very important to them, thus appearance in general is important. They know the importance of physical appearance, and it extends to the importance in regards to dating as well.
3. The male who made the thread that lead you to making this one classifies himself as "below average". That is the point. And again, if looks don't matter to you as much, why even use or acknowledge a rating system on men like they are pieces of meat in the first place? If looks aren't a factor like you claim, there's no need to even acknowledge such a system.

 

[miserabletires9]

the funny part is we met online through a game, communicating only through text and voice, for months. it was only after i told him i like him when we saw each other through video, and we've been together since. granted my experience is not a common one, but i just thought i'd chime in for a different perspective to make this thread a bit less incel

there are many different perspective from females here. yes, looks matter. But definitely it matters more to women. Just look at the sheer number of female plastic surgeries

 

[WorthlessTrash]

the funny part is we met online through a game, communicating only through text and voice, for months. it was only after i told him i like him when we saw each other through video, and we've been together since. granted my experience is not a common one, but i just thought i'd chime in for a different perspective to make this thread a bit less incel

The term "incel" implies that they blame women for not being attracted to them. At least from what I have seen, the men on this site don't blame women for not being attracted to them. They blame themselves. They don't wish to destroy women like actual incels do, they wish to destroy themselves instead.

In regards to what you said, if the guy you're with turned out to be extremely ugly to you, would you still be with him today? If yes, then that is remarkable and an extremely rare case indeed. If not then, well idk really. I'd just like an honest answer. It won't make you seem bad or anything. It is human nature to care a lot about looks.

 

[uniqueusername39]

The term "incel" implies that they blame women for not being attracted to them. At least from what I have seen, the men on this site don't blame women for not being attracted to them. They blame themselves. They don't wish to destroy women like actual incels do, they wish to destroy themselves instead.

In regards to what you said, if the guy you're with turned out to be extremely ugly to you, would you still be with him today? If yes, then that is remarkable and an extremely rare case indeed. If not then, well idk really. I'd just like an honest answer. It won't make you seem bad or anything. It is human nature to care a lot about looks.

honestly, he's not a specimen. he's not extremely ugly nor extremely pretty, he's just a normal ass guy, save for being overweight there's nothing strikingly ugly or pretty about him, superficially speaking. he's not chiselled, doesn't have a deep voice, not rich or what have you. he's still in college, i'm already pursuing a master's, we're the same age, so it's not his education either. it's just really who he is. maybe it's a superpower that i'm able to look past someone's appearance to love them. i don't know either if it's "extremely rare" to meet someone romantically the way i did considering it's the age of the internet, but well.

i acknowledge it's human nature to care about looks. but even if an accident damages/has damaged his appearance in some way i'll still be with him. leaving someone because they're ugly is kind of stupid to me, and i'm sorry for people who got rejected out of romantic/platonic relationships because of that. people who judge by appearance, though they're just following their human instinct to be drawn to attractive people, are not worth being with, imo.