What if I vomit 2-3 minutes after ingestion?
I think we need to take into account also how much is vomitted. A little vomit would mean at least 30% to 40% SN is still left in the stomach from what I read somewhere, and that would be enough in most cases to be fatal.
In the event of failure due to vomitting and inability to drink a second glass, what do you think about ingesting a few grams of SN in pre prepared rizla paper bombs?
That could really come down how much you vomit and how consistent otherwise I can't say for sure since your reaction may be different after all.
Yes we do. The problem is how much does one know they vomited, a little vomit would be something small. I'd say you have a greater chance of ctb after you've not vomited for about 10 mins and after vomiting will depend on how much it is.
That depends how well prepared you are to deal with that kind of improvise, such as if you've have the ability to be able to swallow something even after vomiting.
Who says that it is generally touted as such?, whichever method appeals to someone may come down to personal preference and so what someone may consider their preferred method may be something that others totally avoid for several reasons. You prefer hanging because of your BDSM experience, others prefer SN because they have done enough research to be aware of the risks involved and the added reason being they have access to the meds they need, you also have to remember with the world that we live in, we aren't spoiled for choice due to circumstances that may limit us from obtaining the better methods so for many people, sn is all they can get and for other reasons, some will not choose hanging even if they don't have many choices left.
No we can't and this is why each individual has to engage and learn to come to the conclusion if this is the method for them or not. It isn't going to work for some people due to factors such as pre-existing health issues that may be disrupt the process as a whole. The problem is, why don't others vomit at all if the body can't be tricked by some goldilocks amount, I'm not saying it can be but there's clearly some difference in why some do and some do not. That recommended amount of 25g is more than likely to be the amount needed to ctb and that's the amount that one should consider when we look at past successes with this method.
The general markers of a good method are availability, painlessness and efficiency. I have observed it to fail in all three areas. However, the frequency at which it is recommended implies reliability and high success rates. People have also said it is painless, but I have observed gastrointestinal distress and vomiting in many. I don't believe that suicide is a difficult thing to achieve if you truly wish to die. I could step out in front of a train in the next ten minutes if I wished to do so as I live near train tracks. I could tie a noose to my staircase. I could snort my entire stash of cocaine in one go. I could take all of my sleeping tablets and benzos. I could stop eating and wither and die. I could go on the DW and order pretty much anything. I could take my father's shotgun and blow my brains out. I could steal my mother's fentanyl patches and drift off into nothingness. I could walk to my nearest motorway and step out in front of a truck. I could take pills and place a bag over my head. I could buy a helium or nitrogen tank. Hell, I can't take money with me, I could travel anywhere to any beautiful tall building, bridge or cliff and throw myself off. There are SO many ways to die. Dying is easy. Actually finding the will to die is what people find hard.
This is the point I made earlier about underlying issues that may perhaps disrupt the process as a whole. Some users have noted such symptoms while others haven't, this demonstrates again that certain factors may deter this method from working, some of which are individual, nothing to do with the method itself. This would be something only the individual whose had a history of gastrointestinal issues like Ulcers has to worry about.
Ultimately, this comes down to how bad the individual wants to go. I can't speak for anyone else from a personal standpoint but most people are still here because of several reasons such as Si, how much it would upset whomever they love and care about. So many ties that keep people here even if they have the desire to ctb. It's also easier to gather all the meds needed and the sn itself more than finding the will to take it. I think you're forgetting that people naturally fear failure, something of this magnitude is too great of a burden sometimes for others to think about what failure could mean after an attempt, even with all methods you've listed, some good while others not so much, there's still the significance of ending up disabled with your life worse off than it already. Some of those methods do not make dying easier.
it does have a high success for what it does unless you consider a high success rate to be 90% and above? That much is clear in some of the information I've read. I mean, as your point is that there are so many ways to die, with this method being one of those ways, if it wasn't so effective then why would anyone even care about it( governments, news outlets, chemical companies and suppliers). We all know detergents can kill but with low efficacy and thats why almost nobody goes near them, SN isn't perfect but it is a method with a good success rate even if that's what people wouldn't expect. Also, i don't see how it's recommended either, I'd never encourage anyone to purposefully seek out this method first before looking at other options including recovery. Also, can you really expect the dead to come back and report on the success rate of this method in comparison to the others in order to determine a success rate whilst also ignoring that death from it is infrequently reported since it's still such a rare method.
I did not imply it, we are all limited in our circumstances to choose what methods we have at our disposal and those you listed do not make it any easier to get even if there are multiple ways to end yourself. Unsure? There are users who've said that they have gastrointestinal issues like ulcers when they've shared their failed sn experiences hence why some had symptoms that others did not. That is how I know, I didn't imply that I had some foreknowledge of it which would affect their ctb attempt.
Nobody knows if they'll succeed at any given method regardless of its efficacy. SN, shotgun, N, Inert gas, hanging, SWB, jumping, exit bag, all of these have had failures even if the individual was well informed of the method and how to use it, even those with guns have not pulled the trigger despite the fact that it is a method they know they'll succeed at. You cannot eliminate that fear by simply not advocating for this method, if so then what alternatives do you propose in turn that anyone can access without much restriction, that they are comfortable with and is much more effective and what if people have already determined that is the method that they'll succeed at, others have already done that in the past.
I couldn't agree with you more there.
It is also a place of community that others can't find elsewhere.
The main reason for failure is having time to change you mind and call for help, or being found while still alive and taken to the hospital. Some methods like guns or jumping will eliminate this time to change your mind. Other methods like poison or overdose attempts can leave time to be found or call for help.
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I think that's a fair point, having pure sn is pretty important and perhaps the recent sn failed cases did not have pure sn after all. Cases that come to mind like @ghostbird and Retarded username more than likely had SN, these outside of the usual reasons for failure like being discovered in time or an impulsive attempt.
If there's been a noticeable difference from those years compared to now in terms of the frequency of failed sn threads, could that be solely down to people buying sn that isn't pure anymore or even mistakenly buying Nitrate instead of Nitrite.
Well we know that since IC Sn isn't a source anymore but does this call into question the purity of sn from chemical manufacturers when their sn has to be up to a certain standard in order to be applicable for analytical lab work and research and thus, SN especially of the higher grades has to have as few impurities as possible.
Wasn't one source named TIG found to be not as pure as stated or was that just one instance of a user who tested it?
Thank you for confirming my thoughts and suspicions. Purity is important. It was hard to miss the fact that everyone who got LW SN all passed away and did it quickly.@Goku Black @Meditation guide @everyone
I don't know if you saw the study vizzy posted in the sn bible thread.
I made an analysis of the study which shows that everyone in that study that took sn and didn't go to the hosptital died. this also contradicts imo the recent 1-2 years many failed sn threads. i also didn't see many sn failed threads from 2019-2020-2021. I also think that the many recent failed sn threads were not pure enough sn. i think that is the most important factor to have pure enough sn. I think if take 25 grams of pure sn it's very close to 99% imo . i don't know why no one thought of testing SN like they did nembutal with the lab in spain EC.
it's post #24 tried to link it here:
SN Bible Sodium Nitrite Method (Comprehensive Guide SN Method)
Sodium Nitrite (SN) Method Introduction This document is a compilation of different sn information, members inputs, important posts related to sn, recorded suicide cases related to sn, different research on sn and so on. This document also give a full understanding of SN, what it is, how it...
Sodium Nitrite Intoxication and Death: Summarizing Evidence to Facilitate Diagnosis
Background: Over the years, forensic pathology has registered the spread of new methods of suicide, such as the ingestion of sodium nitrite. Sodium nitrite causes increased methemoglobin, resulting in systemic hypoxia, metabolic acidosis, and cyanosis. Since sodium nitrite is a preservative, the...
Sorry not 95 it's 132
I confused reading that. I will study it further later.
I think you are right. When looking closer they all are a little different in size.
30g
That's unheard of. It's supposed to be a fine sand like texture or possibly hard clumps. Maybe in other countries it's like that but it's a food additive, you would be biting into those balls in the food unless they expect people to grind those up. What country did it come from?I think you are right. When looking closer they all are a little different in size.
30g
I live in California, though I ordered it online. I put one of the clumps/balls in my little dish and poured diet coke over it and it did dissolve in around 3 minutes.
I mean do you know what country it originally came from? I can't believe a western country would sell it that way.
It's originally from the US, in Montana. (sorry for the late reply)
That's too white for SN. SN is yellow-ish.
I was about to say that what op is not the typical color of SN, it's usually white with an ever so slight yellow tint to it. Also @sjoper1980 did the person you knew ctb with sn have meds to help?
I think if you found a real source in the US it's surprising. And it does look too white.
