Resource SN megathread

[Dubito]

Interestingly, I found a seemingly knowledgeable user's formula that suggested that given that user's weight there was still a chance of survival even with the supposed 30g.

Tell us more about it.

 

[PleaseHelpMi]

Hey @PleaseHelpMi!
I was just saying that because I read it a few times here. No source. Don't know what is correct. Sry for that. Maybe someone can clearify.

First of all sorry if you thought that I was attacking you or something. It's hard to understand the tone on posts. If I had to describe it would be more like :really?!: :tell me all you know:. Anyways so you don't know. Well it's not like that. There were posts of people questioning it and then people trying to find if both turn brown but there hasn't been anyone that provided any sort of irrefutable proof. For now the consensus is that blood test is reliable to find purity of sn. If it turns dark/chocolate brown it means that it works.

 

[Shadowlord900]

I've seen this table a few times and also been posting it myself in a few places. Admittedly I don't know @AverageJoe's weight and feel uncomfortable asking. If @AverageJoe were to take 30g like they originally planned, that would mean they're somewhere between 130-140kg if they were using this table as a guide.

However, I've only just read the PPeH which recommends taking 35g if your bodyweight is over 100kg. According to the above table, you'd only need 26.5g minimum for that, and I already consider 100kg to be pretty hefty for a person of average height and muscle mass. (Plus I've read a lot of people going for 25g anyways even if they're well under 100kg.) Also according to the table, 35g is only necessary for someone who's 160-170kg... And I'd consider someone of that weight to be very obese (or a tall bodybuilder with lots of muscle mass).

I'm really starting to question the validity of that table now. Sure @AverageJoe says his scales were buggy, but I have no idea how off the scales were to the true weight of SN they were using. It could have only been off by a small amount. But judging from the sounds of how @AverageJoe's recovery is going, I don't they'll suffer much permanent damage, or even any at all? That makes it sounds like the scales they used were incredibly inaccurate. But until I have a better idea of how inaccurate those scales were, I don't really know if I should trust the above table or not. :\

 

[Press X to Bust]

Is there a downside to taking far more than the suggested amount of SN? What would happen if someone of average height and weight took 100g?

 

[Shadowlord900]

100g would be overkill. Not only would it be much harder to drink, the risk of vomiting will greatly increase regardless of whether you're using an antiemetic or not.

 

[HerculePoirot]

Is there a downside to taking far more than the suggested amount of SN? What would happen if someone of average height and weight took 100g?

Increased risk of throwing it up.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

Tell us more about it.

I took my SN yesterday. Willing to answer questions

At the time, I was in a particularly bad state of mind and the decision to just go ahead and do it was made very suddenly. Funnily enough, when you’re not thinking with a rational state of mind, you don’t think about a two day regimen, or breaking out weighing scales. I took propranolol and...

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I've seen this table a few times and also been posting it myself in a few places. Admittedly I don't know @AverageJoe's weight and feel uncomfortable asking. If @AverageJoe were to take 30g like they originally planned, that would mean they're somewhere between 130-140kg if they were using this table as a guide.

However, I've only just read the PPeH which recommends taking 35g if your bodyweight is over 100kg. According to the above table, you'd only need 26.5g minimum for that, and I already consider 100kg to be pretty hefty for a person of average height and muscle mass. (Plus I've read a lot of people going for 25g anyways even if they're well under 100kg.) Also according to the table, 35g is only necessary for someone who's 160-170kg... And I'd consider someone of that weight to be very obese (or a tall bodybuilder with lots of muscle mass).

I'm really starting to question the validity of that table now. Sure @AverageJoe says his scales were buggy, but I have no idea how off the scales were to the true weight of SN they were using. It could have only been off by a small amount. But judging from the sounds of how @AverageJoe's recovery is going, I don't they'll suffer much permanent damage, or even any at all? That makes it sounds like the scales they used were incredibly inaccurate. But until I have a better idea of how inaccurate those scales were, I don't really know if I should trust the above table or not. :\

I'm wondering about that table too.

He had indicated in his first post that he was around 87kg. So the dose to take would be around 23 grams as per this table.. But according to the formula shared by @littlelady774 in the thread linked above, the guaranteed lethal dose for someone of 87 kg is 31.32 grams. For my weight, there's a discrepancy between the dose indicated in the table and the dose yielded by the formula of around 5 grams.

 

[Shadowlord900]

I took my SN yesterday. Willing to answer questions

At the time, I was in a particularly bad state of mind and the decision to just go ahead and do it was made very suddenly. Funnily enough, when you’re not thinking with a rational state of mind, you don’t think about a two day regimen, or breaking out weighing scales. I took propranolol and...

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I'm wondering about that table too.

He had indicated in his first post that he was around 87kg. So the dose to take would be around 23 grams as per this table.. But according to the formula shared by @littlelady774 in the thread linked above, the guaranteed lethal dose for someone of 87 kg is 31.32 grams. For my weight, there's a discrepancy between the dose indicated in the table and the dose yielded by the formula of around 5 grams.

Okay wow, thank you so much for sharing that formula for me. Even if it doesn't invalidate the table by itself, that fact it matches so closely with what the PPeH recommends is starting to make me feel like whoever made that table didn't properly calculate or experiment with the numbers/formulas/other people's experiences at all.

I think now would be a good time for me to make an updated version of my oral overdose advice topic.

 

[Dubito]

I took my SN yesterday. Willing to answer questions

At the time, I was in a particularly bad state of mind and the decision to just go ahead and do it was made very suddenly. Funnily enough, when you’re not thinking with a rational state of mind, you don’t think about a two day regimen, or breaking out weighing scales. I took propranolol and...

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I'm wondering about that table too.

He had indicated in his first post that he was around 87kg. So the dose to take would be around 23 grams as per this table.. But according to the formula shared by @littlelady774 in the thread linked above, the guaranteed lethal dose for someone of 87 kg is 31.32 grams. For my weight, there's a discrepancy between the dose indicated in the table and the dose yielded by the formula of around 5 grams.

But can we trust this formula totally? Rats and humans are not the same. And can you simply double it to have 100% lethality. Just thinking loud.

 

[HerculePoirot]

Of course there is no linear relationship between the amount of Sn and the lethality. There is an optimum amount, determined by a complex set of factors including your particular body. 25 grams is an average amount, quasi optimal for most people. Reduce it if you are underweight, increase it if you are overweight. Statistically speaking, the optimum should probably never exceed 35g or be under 20g.

 

[Dubito]

The LD50 rats of SN is 85 mg/kg. Not 185mg/kg as @littlelady774 wrote. Can someone plz doublecheck that.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

But can we trust this formula totally? Rats and humans are not the same. And can you simply double it to have 100% lethality. Just thinking loud.

Yes, too simplistic. No guarantees with anything. But weighing up everything I think we can be confident that the user who recently failed didn't take a dose that would maximize his chances, as was the case too for the OP of that other thread.

 

[flowersforalgernon:]

Anyone got a UK supplier of SN? Pretty desperate here

 

[lukas19]

Anyone got a UK supplier of SN? Pretty desperate here

You can't get it in the UK but you can get it abroad, for about £60 (including the p & p)

 

[flowersforalgernon:]

You can't get it in the UK but you can get it abroad, for about £60 (including the p & p)

Are you able to message me a link for that?

 

[Shadowlord900]

The LD50 rats of SN is 85 mg/kg. Not 185mg/kg as @littlelady774 wrote. Can someone plz doublecheck that.

https://web.archive.org/web/20080410131202/http://msds.chem.ox.ac.uk/SO/sodium_nitrite.html <- (Got that from Wikipedia)

Says the LD50 in rats is 180 mg/kg. Only 5mg lower than what @littlelady774 said.

 

[Dubito]

https://web.archive.org/web/20080410131202/http://msds.chem.ox.ac.uk/SO/sodium_nitrite.html <- (Got that from Wikipedia)

Says the LD50 in rats is 180 mg/kg. Only 5mg lower than what @littlelady774 said.

Thank you very much for clearifying. In the wiki of my language it's 85mg/kg, in english it's 185mg/kg. Seem to be different results. I also read something about the lowest lethal dose (LDLo​) which is the least amount of drug that can produce death in a given animal species under controlled conditions. For human the LDLo​ is 71 mg/kg. But it's enough now with numbers.

 

[buyersremorse]

This thread has been helpful to me. I've decided. But all those years at college and I'm still shit at research. The highest purity I found on a legitimate looking website was 10%. Can someone please PM me a source for SN? (I live in Australia) Thank you.

 

[Torn Mind]

This post will be dedicated to compiling all the information we have on the Sodium Nitrite method (SN), including what else is needed and comparing it to other popular methods.

Before starting, I HIGHLY encourage you read most, if not all, of the chapters on the PPH, as this method may not be the most suited for you.

First of all, let's discuss why this method works, and how it kills.

Spoiler: The effects of Sodium Nitrite

Sodium Nitrite, NaNO2, acts as a catalyst in the conversion of the hemoglobin in your blood into methemoglobin (MetHB), a molecule with a much higher affinity with oxygen. This occurs when the ferrous ions in the regular hemoglobin are converted into ferric ones.
Since it's affinity is so high, methemoglobin cannot let the oxygen flow into other tissues that need it, thus depriving them of oxygen even while you're breathing. Death, then, occurs by hypoxia.
Sodium Nitrite poisoning symptoms include nausea, vertigo, vomiting, very heavy headaches and, should you manage to not pass out for too long, seizures.
The PPH claims that, during a monitored suicide with SN, the patient was unconscious at 12 minutes and dead by 35. However, some sources claim that SN poisoning might take as much as 8 hours to kill, probably due to low dosage.
Since methemoglobin creation is a natural process in our bodies, you must be aware that a certain enzyme works to transform it back into hemoglobin again. This is why the recommended dosage has varied on the PPH so much, as the syntetization of these enzymes and their "power" to overcome the formation of MetHB depends purely on your body, thus making a normal, general dose for all who chose this method very hard to determine, unlike N.

As for the physical symptoms your body will experience, not much will really change. Since your blood will mainly be MetHB, it will take on a bluish chocolate brown color, and the tips of your fingers, toes and nose (amongst others) will turn slightly blue from cyanosis.

Now, lets take a look at the "shopping cart".

Spoiler: What is needed for this method?

You'll need the following:

SN: The main compund for this method, Sodium Nitrite is easy enough to find. You're looking for >98% purity Nitrite. This chemical is sold without regulation and can be bought from Amazon, Ebay or any lab supplier in your area. 100 grams cost between 8 and 10€. This chemical is completely legal to own and is used during curation of meats to preserve their color. It's described as "White to yellowish powder/crystals" and it's said to have "slightly salty taste". It is also very soluble in water.
The recommended dose from the PPH is 15 grams, however, this has increased on different issues, from only 5, to 12 and now to 15.
Very important: You're looking for Sodium Nitrite, not Sodium Nitrate; NaNO2, not NaNO3.
Should you not find it just by looking up Sodium Nitrite, look for: NaNO2, NNaO2 or Filmerine. Make sure you're buying what you want and that it's purity is high enough. For more information on it plus some industrial sellers, check Sodium Nitrite on Pubchem.

Antiemetics: Strong enough antiemetics for this method are not OTC, so you'll need to see your way around this. You're looking for Metoclopramide or any of it's commercial names, like Reglan/Primperan. This antiemetic needs to be a Dopamine blocker for it to work.
Antiemetics aren't 100% necessary for this method, however; just like with N, you wont accomplish anything if you end up puking it all out, which is likely. This will also most likely be the bulk of the money you'll use during this method.

Acid Regulators: Another thing recommended in the PPH is raising your stomach's pH to make the SN more effective. This can be accomplished with drugs like Tagamet (The one recommended on the PPH, 800mg, which is to my knowledge OTC) or even bicarbonate, though not as effective.

Spoiler: A few extra comments

I recently got asked a few things regarding SN. First of all, you must know that the effects of this poisoning are completely reversible. It is very unlikely that you will have any permanent damage should you be "saved" during your attempt. Secondly, since this method relies on hypoxia, cardiovascular problems will reduce the amount of MetHB in blood needed to actually kill you. This, however, shouldnt really be a problem since it is sold starting from 100 grams, far more than the amount needed.

Lastly, there have been cases of people recovering from SN poisoning without any "side effects", but even if the ambulance is called soon enough, it is not certain that you will survive.

Should you have any question you can't find the answer of, please comment it and maybe you'll find someone on this community who knows.
Also, should you have any more information you'd like to share, please post it and tag me so I can edit this post and get it included. Thank you.

I have no idea what most of these abbreviations and acronyms mean. Can you explain them to me?

 

[snowy]

hello, sorry if this is a strange question or has been answered elsewhere, but would it be possible to take the SN rectally? I've acquired it but struggle tremendously when talking to people, so an AE is likely out of the picture. Is this a feasible alternative to bypass that step? If so, would I need to increase/decrease the dosage? Any feedback is appreciated ^-^

 

[Dubito]

hello, sorry if this is a strange question or has been answered elsewhere, but would it be possible to take the SN rectally? I've acquired it but struggle tremendously when talking to people, so an AE is likely out of the picture. Is this a feasible alternative to bypass that step? If so, would I need to increase/decrease the dosage? Any feedback is appreciated ^-^

Search function?

 

[soontobedone]

I've seen rectal mentioned a few places and not suggested for some reason. If I recall the burning would cause you to expel it immediately.

 

[Dubito]

I've seen rectal mentioned a few places and not suggested for some reason. If I recall the burning would cause you to expel it immediately.

And capsules also don't work. We have to trink the shit.

 

[snowy]

Search function?

im sorry, im new here. i didnt know there was a search function

I've seen rectal mentioned a few places and not suggested for some reason. If I recall the burning would cause you to expel it immediately.

hmm, would there be any issue with trying a little bit to see if its bearable?

 

[Dubito]

im sorry, im new here. i didnt know there was a search function

hmm, would there be any issue with trying a little bit to see if its bearable?

Tell me, but don't show pictures.;)

 

[soontobedone]

Snowy, if you post replies in some of the "games" once you have over 20 posts you should get a search icon pop up. I did find a page on this topic but unable to paste it here. Mostly people concerned about the burning etc because it's not a medicine it's a poison.

 

[Sparx]

hello, sorry if this is a strange question or has been answered elsewhere, but would it be possible to take the SN rectally? I've acquired it but struggle tremendously when talking to people, so an AE is likely out of the picture. Is this a feasible alternative to bypass that step? If so, would I need to increase/decrease the dosage? Any feedback is appreciated ^-^

IIRC one member did oral and rectal administration simultaneously and stopped responding very quickly.

And capsules also don't work. We have to trink the shit.

@Funkygibbon used capsules and was successful although it took three attempts. I'm considering the 'Rizla bomb' method, @shrek34 would've been successful that way but was found.

 

[snowy]

Tell me, but don't show pictures.;)

Snowy, if you post replies in some of the "games" once you have over 20 posts you should get a search icon pop up. I did find a page on this topic but unable to paste it here. Mostly people concerned about the burning etc because it's not a medicine it's a poison.

i see. im not sure if i didnt use enough but it isnt that unpleasant. its a little uncomfortable and is making me nauseous but its more than bearable. i may not be the best sample to judge for this as i

Spoiler: sexual content

often use soap as a lubricant, which burns like hell.

just to confirm, the SN can enter the bloodstream through that orifice? EDIT, im starting to feel sick: am i going to be okay?

IIRC one member did oral and rectal administration simultaneously and stopped responding very quickly.

was he using anything else? AE, etc.?

 

[soontobedone]

If you are not ready to ctb and what you've done becomes too painful please call for help. It is not wise to test SN.

 

[Sparx]

was he using anything else? AE, etc.?

No just SN it seems, here's the thread:

Thanks and goodbye (SN)

Thanks for teaching me about SN and keeping me company. My SN has arrived. I must prepare. I had intended to document the ride, but I don't feel up to it. See you out there.

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