SN from IC discussion megathread

[RainAndSadness]

I think it would be a good idea to have a megathread to discuss the current events around IC because it's hard to keep track with all the different threads and the information is cluttered all over the forum. If you had a visit regarding your SN, you can post this here too, that also helps the community to keep track of the situation and dynamic around these visits. You can of course still create your own threads if you think the information is significant and important enough to have its own thread, in that case you can of course link to the thread in here.

Thanks everyone.

 

[unnormal9]

Good idea, Rain. I have SN from IC too and have no had any visits. I hope it stays that way.

 

[GasMonkey]

Not only IC, Police are visiting all the buyers from all Kenneth Law's websites (ImtimeCuisine, EscMode and Ambuca).

 

[Endex]

From a Canadian news article I read, they have connected Kenneth Laws to a pro suicide website even though they aren't name us. They see this sight as his shop window for selling his goods I think.

It's been a wk now since I had my police welfare check.

 

[Unending]

Yes, that whole situation was an absolute disaster. I don't think it helped any suicidal people that I'm aware of.

 

[ExistHarm]

KL's only crime was overcharging

 

[unnormal9]

Not only IC, Police are visiting all the buyers from all Kenneth Law's websites (ImtimeCuisine, EscMode and Ambuca).

CCS not included, so at least for backup I can still order from CCS.

KL's only crime was overcharging

Yeah $75 for 50G versus $65 for 500G, speaks for itself.

 

[Buddha.chris]

I don't know if this is true or not but I saw I post from a user that said KL shared user,s info with LE.

Just a reminder When purchasing from any online shops make sure you use a burner PayPal account guys you can create one with little to no verification or effort it's the best option to protect you real identity.

1)
you can use tools like (elfqrin) or (fakepersongenerator) to create a fake identity for this PayPal account
Not got good practice to give out you real one it could link right back to you.

2)
Use Google voice number to verify this PayPal account you can use privacycom for virtual card or the best option buy a vanilla prepaid card in person or online your choice link that card to your PayPal & make sure you have more in the prepaid card then the product cost before you link the card to Paypal just incase .

3)
When I was on IC site i noticed he asked for ID verification when it comes to ID verification online or in person guys you can easily generate a fake ID number & fake first and last name with the elfqrin online tool and a little bit of photoshop .

4)
Use photoshop technology like photoshop express app or any photoshop app to edit your REAL ID to have a FAKE first & last name & fake ID number provide this photoshop ID to any online shop similar to IC ,s asking for ID verification or to delivery drivers for important packages you don't want tracked back to you . Remember say you only have a digital copy of your ID if asked only .

5)
Yes they will have your address but it's safer then a drop service for the simple reason that the identity you created doesn't exist they will be in search of a ghost & all they would have is your address not your actual real identity use this to avoid home visits by LE as LE will have no idea who they are looking for they will only have a delivery address nothing else .

6)
If you do get a visit from LE you can avoid all conversation entirely by just saying "I don't know who that is, doesn't live here".

 

[Againstthewind]

So since I posted the original post and article to when the news broke by The Times news company, and since this mega thread is here, I thought I would essentially sum up whats going on with whats been released and what the general situation is, summed up by moi since there's so much crap by the media (f the media yo)

I Againstthewind am the SASU resident Detective!

Soooooooooooooooo.

• Kenneth Law is currently in custody and is charged with two counts of counselling or aiding suicide in the Peel region in Toronto, Ontario, Canada ONLY.
  
• Next appearance in court is on May 9th​, when the crowns request for a bail hearing will be addressed.
  
• 1,200 packages had been sent from companies linked to Kenneth, shipped to over 40 countries, although technically police don't know how many of these packages contained sodium nitrite, hence all the welfare checks (we all got them) Note: this is information the police have said, so take it with a grain of salt, they tend to exaggerate the facts to get more information from the public.
  
• Law was allegedly linked to companies, including Imtime Cuisine, AmbuCA, Academic/ACademic, Escape Mode/escMode and ICemac.
  
• Here is the following link to the press conference that was made after they had arrested him, this was about four days ago.
  
  
  
  
• Since the day this all came out, multiple major news outlets in the UK, Canada and the U.S and other countries have picked this up, so this may reach people who may not even know about suicidal tendencies (yes, I know that sounds crazy that people are that ignorant that they don't think people suffer, but trust me, some people live in a rose coloured shell)
  
• Next, The Times who posted there article, released a three part podcast series (each about 30 minutes, detail how the journalist spoke to a father of a university student who took his own life (in the UK) and the Journalist's attempt at flying to Canada and confronting Kenneth. He does this by snooping around Canadian postboxes, talking to workers at said post office, calling Kenneth's colleagues at the Toronto Hotel he worked at, and confronting in person colleagues of Kenneth asking where he is.
  Funnily, enough the journalist gets frustrated when the colleagues of Kenneth don't tell him where Kenneth is at that time because they're not going to give information to a stranger, even though the journalists shows them his journalist badge or (whatever they show) which in any situation you're not going to give a random stranger information on someone you work with to a random person because they could be a nut job.
  
• If you are wondering whether you should listen to it or not, if you know of the substance it's not going to be breaking news for you. I have listened to them all in full and it's more directed how the journalist feels like he broke the case which snowballed into what it is now and more the shock that this substance exists.
  
  
  
  
• What I would recommend you listen to is the extra 4th part which is a conversation with a professor, who talks in detail about suicide not just from a mental illness perspective but from individual causes such as the pandemic, finances, cost of living, family, identity etc. The professor himself had colleagues that worked with him on various papers regarding suicide in young people and older people and they too took their own lives, so the conversation is an intelligent perspective from him. I think it's a good listen.
  
  
  
  
• Police in Regina have also now re opened an investigation into another sudden death that may be connected to him.
  
  
  
• As part of the investigation, the peel regional police are only investigating deaths linked to the substance in their region. Whether anyone does it from another region, the same country or international, is to be determined.
  
  
• The police did claim their investigation started in March, so it was technically a newish investigation, this started from a death in their area, which was linked to the substance and Kenneth.
  
  
• Kenneth did file for bankruptcy before opening the IC website, which was in debt of $134,000.
  
  
• Of course at the moment still innocent until proven guilty.
  
  
• The National Crime Agency who are a government agency (in the UK) tackle crimes that spread across regional and international borders. They received information from the Canadian authorities which includes a list of UK buyers from Kenneth laws website and notified all police forces across Britain and (as we know) officers in the UK spent those days conducting what they termed 'welfare checks' on those names and addresses. Going to homes checking if they're okay (lol) and seizing any unused packets of the substance. Other countries received information also and did the same thing, hence why we all got these checks all in different countries.
  
  
• That's it from me, theres a lot more information, but I don't want to overkill by information. I will update when more information (that isn't national media hysteria) is released.
  
  
• Information is gathered through various media outlets, podcasts, individuals and various information centres, for all you reference, and conspiracy nuts out there.

 

[epic]

So since I posted the original post and article to when the news broke by The Times news company, and since this mega thread is here, I thought I would essentially sum up whats going on with whats been released and what the general situation is, summed up by moi since there's so much crap by the media (f the media yo)

I Againstthewind am the SASU resident Detective!

Soooooooooooooooo.

• Kenneth Law is currently in custody and is charged with two counts of counselling or aiding suicide in the Peel region in Toronto, Ontario, Canada ONLY.
• Next appearance in court is on May 9th​, when the crowns request for a bail hearing will be addressed.
• 1,200 packages had been sent from companies linked to Kenneth, shipped to over 40 countries, although technically police don't know how many of these packages contained sodium nitrite, hence all the welfare checks (we all got them) Note: this is information the police have said, so take it with a grain of salt, they tend to exaggerate the facts to get more information from the public.
• Law was allegedly linked to companies, including Imtime Cuisine, AmbuCA, Academic/ACademic, Escape Mode/escMode and ICemac.
• Here is the following link to the press conference that was made after they had arrested him, this was about four days ago.
  
  
  
  
• Since the day this all came out, multiple major news outlets in the UK, Canada and the U.S and other countries have picked this up, so this may reach people who may not even know about suicidal tendencies (yes, I know that sounds crazy that people are that ignorant that they don't think people suffer, but trust me, some people live in a rose coloured shell)
• Next, The Times who posted there article, released a three part podcast series (each about 30 minutes, detail how the journalist spoke to a father of a university student who took his own life (in the UK) and the Journalist's attempt at flying to Canada and confronting Kenneth. He does this by snooping around Canadian postboxes, talking to workers at said post office, calling Kenneth's colleagues at the Toronto Hotel he worked at, and confronting in person colleagues of Kenneth asking where he is.
  Funnily, enough the journalist gets frustrated when the colleagues of Kenneth don't tell him where Kenneth is at that time because they're not going to give information to a stranger, even though the journalists shows them his journalist badge or (whatever they show) which in any situation you're not going to give a random stranger information on someone you work with to a random person because they could be a nut job.
• If you are wondering whether you should listen to it or not, if you know of the substance it's not going to be breaking news for you. I have listened to them all in full and it's more directed how the journalist feels like he broke the case which snowballed into what it is now and more the shock that this substance exists.
  
  
  
  
• What I would recommend you listen to is the extra 4th part which is a conversation with a professor, who talks in detail about suicide not just from a mental illness perspective but from individual causes such as the pandemic, finances, cost of living, family, identity etc. The professor himself had colleagues that worked with him on various papers regarding suicide in young people and older people and they too took their own lives, so the conversation is an intelligent perspective from him. I think it's a good listen.
  
  
  
  
• Police in Regina have also now re opened an investigation into another sudden death that may be connected to him.
  
  
  
• As part of the investigation, the peel regional police are only investigating deaths linked to the substance in their region. Whether anyone does it from another region, the same country or international, is to be determined.
  
  
• The police did claim their investigation started in March, so it was technically a newish investigation, this started from a death in their area, which was linked to the substance and Kenneth.
  
  
• Kenneth did file for bankruptcy before opening the IC website, which was in debt of $134,000.
  
  
• Of course at the moment still innocent until proven guilty.
  
  
• The National Crime Agency who are a government agency (in the UK) tackle crimes that spread across regional and international borders. They received information from the Canadian authorities which includes a list of UK buyers from Kenneth laws website and notified all police forces across Britain and (as we know) officers in the UK spent those days conducting what they termed 'welfare checks' on those names and addresses. Going to homes checking if they're okay (lol) and seizing any unused packets of the substance. Other countries received information also and did the same thing, hence why we all got these checks all in different countries.
  
  
• That's it from me, theres a lot more information, but I don't want to overkill by information. I will update when more information (that isn't national media hysteria) is released.
  
  
• Information is gathered through various media outlets, podcasts, individuals and various information centres, for all you reference, and conspiracy nuts out there.

This police officer is straight up giving the chemical's name isn't that against the pro-lifer code ?

BTW Great compilation of information. Thank you for taking the time to post this.

 

[oneeyed]

For future reference, I would suggest everyone try to learn about PGP, Tails liveboot OS, and Tor. It's what I'm doing, albiet slowly. Used properly, it will make you much more anonymous online. So whatever you choose to do, if there's something you are buying online from dark net or clear net but it's a grayish area of legality, it's infinitely more difficult to track you.

 

[unnormal9]

I don't know if this is true or not but I saw I post from a user that said KL shared user,s info with LE.

Just a reminder When purchasing from any online shops make sure you use a burner PayPal account guys you can create one with little to no verification or effort it's the best option to protect you real identity.

1)
you can use tools like (elfqrin) or (fakepersongenerator) to create a fake identity for this PayPal account
Not got good practice to give out you real one it could link right back to you.

2)
Use Google voice number to verify this PayPal account you can use privacycom for virtual card or the best option buy a vanilla prepaid card in person or online your choice link that card to your PayPal & make sure you have more in the prepaid card then the product cost before you link the card to Paypal just incase .

3)
When I was on IC site i noticed he asked for ID verification when it comes to ID verification online or in person guys you can easily generate a fake ID number & fake first and last name with the elfqrin online tool and a little bit of photoshop .

4)
Use photoshop technology like photoshop express app or any photoshop app to edit your REAL ID to have a FAKE first & last name & fake ID number provide this photoshop ID to any online shop similar to IC ,s asking for ID verification or to delivery drivers for important packages you don't want tracked back to you . Remember say you only have a digital copy of your ID if asked only .

5)
Yes they will have your address but it's safer then a drop service for the simple reason that the identity you created doesn't exist they will be in search of a ghost & all they would have is your address not your actual real identity use this to avoid home visits by LE as LE will have no idea who they are looking for they will only have a delivery address nothing else .

6)
If you do get a visit from LE you can avoid all conversation entirely by just saying "I don't know who that is, doesn't live here".

Or better yet, tell 'em to fuck off.

 

[NearlyIrrelevantCake]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65486404

"UK police are carrying out checks on addresses where a poisonous substance linked to suicides may have been sent.

It follows the arrest of a Canadian man accused of "counselling and aiding suicide" by distributing the dangerous product worldwide.

The National Crime Agency (NCA) is working with Canadian authorities to identify potential cases of vulnerable people buying the poison in Britain."

'This is horrifying': How a pro-suicide forum encourages sodium nitrite use in Canada, U.K.

Although Mississauga man Kenneth Law currently faces criminal charges for allegedly selling sodium nitrite and other lethal supplies for the purpose of self-harm, one issue that remains unresolved is the manner through which many of Law’s alleged customers appear to have found him and his...

toronto.ctvnews.ca

"Although Mississauga man Kenneth Law currently faces criminal charges for allegedly selling sodium nitrite and other lethal supplies for the purpose of self-harm, one issue that remains unresolved is the manner through which many of Law's alleged customers appear to have found him and his products: an active website where members openly discuss suicide."

 

[Pidgeons_Sparrows]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65486404

"UK police are carrying out checks on addresses where a poisonous substance linked to suicides may have been sent.

It follows the arrest of a Canadian man accused of "counselling and aiding suicide" by distributing the dangerous product worldwide.

The National Crime Agency (NCA) is working with Canadian authorities to identify potential cases of vulnerable people buying the poison in Britain."

'This is horrifying': How a pro-suicide forum encourages sodium nitrite use in Canada, U.K.

Although Mississauga man Kenneth Law currently faces criminal charges for allegedly selling sodium nitrite and other lethal supplies for the purpose of self-harm, one issue that remains unresolved is the manner through which many of Law’s alleged customers appear to have found him and his...

toronto.ctvnews.ca

"Although Mississauga man Kenneth Law currently faces criminal charges for allegedly selling sodium nitrite and other lethal supplies for the purpose of self-harm, one issue that remains unresolved is the manner through which many of Law's alleged customers appear to have found him and his products: an active website where members openly discuss suicide."

Unresolved Issue? Great, now theyre going to start hammering this site too...

 

[unnormal9]

an active website where members openly discuss suicide."

Yes, because there is no other place were I could talk about it.
And it will stay active. There is nothing unresolved because there is mystery.

 

[enviro400mmc]

I have to say I am at least a little entertained by the fact I think this is the first time ever in my life (and last at this rate) that there has been a police investigation in which I know more than the police and they are discovering stuff I already know.

 

[Deleted member 31858]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-65486404

"UK police are carrying out checks on addresses where a poisonous substance linked to suicides may have been sent.

It follows the arrest of a Canadian man accused of "counselling and aiding suicide" by distributing the dangerous product worldwide.

The National Crime Agency (NCA) is working with Canadian authorities to identify potential cases of vulnerable people buying the poison in Britain."

'This is horrifying': How a pro-suicide forum encourages sodium nitrite use in Canada, U.K.

Although Mississauga man Kenneth Law currently faces criminal charges for allegedly selling sodium nitrite and other lethal supplies for the purpose of self-harm, one issue that remains unresolved is the manner through which many of Law’s alleged customers appear to have found him and his...

toronto.ctvnews.ca

"Although Mississauga man Kenneth Law currently faces criminal charges for allegedly selling sodium nitrite and other lethal supplies for the purpose of self-harm, one issue that remains unresolved is the manner through which many of Law's alleged customers appear to have found him and his products: an active website where members openly discuss suicide."

It is not enough to take away our safe and peaceful methods, they insist on wanting to take away our only safe place where we are not judged, we are understood and we receive support. And I don't know, it even seems that they do it on purpose so that more people find this forum and join to say that we are the bad guys when really SaSu is what has kept us alive longer than we thought

 

[Nangijala]

Has anyone else who ordered from IC not received a police visit yet? I really struggle with the uncertainty of them being able to show up at any time where my family lives. I live in the Netherlands.

 

[Againstthewind]

UPDATE

(I want the unsolved mysteries update song)

Its your resident detective windles with an update in the worlds favourite case.

• Kenneth briefly appeared in a Brampton court Tuesday morning (9th​ of May)
  
  
• Law, 57, has denied all allegations against him. The charges against him have not been proven in court (as of now).
  
  
• He made a brief appearance at a Brampton courthouse by video link on Tuesday and is set to return on Wednesday.
  
  
• Law remains in custody pending a bail hearing. Evidence presented at this stage in the proceedings is covered by a publication ban. [This may make it difficult to report in the future, hidden behind the cloaks of bans, but we shall see what will happen]
• Peel police say they have been tracking the packages sent from these companies, including Imtime Cuisine and Icemac, and police in Colorado and the U.K. did a blitz of welfare checks to possible customers in recent days.
• In Saskatchewan, Regina's police service confirmed to CTV News Toronto it is re-examining a death after being alerted to it by their coroner's service on May 4.
  
  
• Halifax's Regional Police also told CTV News Toronto they conducted a wellness check after being contacted by Peel Regional Police.
  
  
• An article for a Canadian Website stated that Sodium nitrite is advertised in a particular pro-suicide online forum, which CTV News Toronto (one of the the news publications in the country, which will probably name next week lol) is not naming, as a painless death — something that experts say is simply not true. Until recently, it was sold by major online retailers with few restrictions. [can you believe something like this exists!? Terrible. The streets are telling me it's called 'Sanction Cured Hams, Sausages and Bacon /sarcasm]
  
  
• Coroners and medical examiners say since 2020, sodium nitrite was related to 30 deaths in Ontario, 15 in B.C., two in Manitoba, and one in New Brunswick.
  
  
• Government staff in Alberta refused to disclose the number of deaths there, citing election rules. (lol)
  
  
• Advocates say the case has laid bare the lack of regulation on product sales and messaging on websites that have direct reach to people with suicidal thoughts.
  
  
• "Every day that we're not doing something in terms of regulating these online platforms, people are suffering, and we have people that are dying as a result," said Monique St Germain of the Canadian Centre for Child Protection.
  
  
• Canada's heritage ministry has said it's working on a bill to reduce online harms, promising a "made in Canada" solution to protect vulnerable internet users.
  
  Internationally as of now
  
  
• Anthony Jones from Detroit which was a case linked to SN, Jones's lawyer provided CBC publication with a video showing an invoice for 50 grams of "preservative sodium salt" with the company name "Imtime Cuisine." Peel Police have identified it as a firm linked to Law.
• In the British Neha Raju case linked to SN, British police previously told the CBC publication in a statement they contacted the seller of the substance after Raju's death and reviewed his website. But they said they found "no evidence items on that site were being advertised or knowingly sold for the purposes of suicide." [British police ladies and gents - couldn't find water in a bath]

Most articles today on this story are the usual if you see someone who needs help contact blah blah blah, so I left that out as that info is a dime a dozen.

 

[Chronicoverwhelm]

At risk of giving up my identity here- I'm in Canada and was paid a second visit by police exactly a week after my first one, at 9 at night. There was no reason for this 2nd visit, everything was well after the first one. No new questions were asked. When I asked the purpose of *another* wellness check, the officer replied that the system (or file number) hadn't been updated after the first visit. I wasn't buying it. This 2nd visit was harassment with the purpose of intimidation and not one bit for my own welfare. The officer this second time around had a significantly different demeanor than the first officer from a week ago. She was over-eager, arrogant and quite condescending. I got the impression that possibly, with the media attention around KL, that she was after recognition or a promotion. I am on high alert, expecting more harassment. I'm worried about more late night knocks at my landlord's door and more surprises, even a search warrant. Just a heads up to others, and any advice welcomed.

 

[NearlyIrrelevantCake]

Toronto, Canada and Global Breaking News – CP24

Most recent News News business news stories and video from CP24

www.cp24.com

"Three other police forces said that they were reviewing past deaths in light of the allegations against Law.

[...]

In Durham Region, east of Toronto, police said they were working with the coroner's office to review sudden death investigations where sodium nitrate or sodium nitrite were deemed to be the cause of death or a contributing factor."

 

[Againstthewind]

UPDATE

Tis I once again, not with really a huge update on the case (Laws bail hearing was supposed to be this week, so they postponed it to next week, hence why I didn't offer an update as it wasn't much of one).

HOWEVER.

In my research something very interesting came to my attention.

Over the past weeks a few websites had been reporting about the fact that there had been a 10% increase in suicide calls in 2023 compared to 2022 which isn't a huge shock. What I found was a claim that police forces around the world are looking more closely at recent suicides due to the sale and distribution of sodium nitrite due to it now being known worldwide in the news and to authorities.

The focus on the case in the meantime is various news sites highlighting the fact that most people got the substance from a particular evil website… whatever could that be?? So now you would expect the usual witch hunt of how bad the website is.

Police have shown up in the middle of the night without support workers, and some have alleged multiple visits in the span of a few days. Some people have said that they purchased sodium nitrite from Law, while others say they merely filled out a form but never received the product.

Now for the interesting part.

In a recent article on another news website one of the journalist claimed that a particular user of this website has spoken to a journalist under anonymity;

'They received two consecutive suicide checks from a police force within Ontario in the weeks following Law's arrest. The source did not confirm if they reside in Peel Region or elsewhere in the province.'

The supposed source said, "I had prepared myself that this was likely to happen, but it still rattled me,"

They said they had disposed of sodium nitrite purchased from Law several months before his arrest.

"I was truthful, I was honest," they said. "I answered their questions…and then they came again. Different officers, claiming the dispatch system hadn't updated and showed my case as open/unresolved. I repeated what I told their colleagues, they had no more questions and left.

"By then I was physically sick. Shaking. Sweats. Nausea. Anxiety sky-high," the source continued. "Living with a mental illness is like riding a wave. It takes a lot of energy and concentration to stay on that surf board and it doesn't take much to kick you off into the cold water. The wellness checks definitely threw me off mine."

The journalist claimed that their 'source' claims their wellness checks did not include a social worker or plainclothes officer, rather uniformed officers who embarrassed the source and continued to "hang around" in their neighbourhood after checking in on them.

"Our mental healthcare system is overwhelmed and underfunded," the source said. "Let's please not make things worse for those who are one or two steps away from homelessness."

Now. There's no point in saying, that people are talking to journalists because part of me probably thinks that there isn't a 'source' and they just came onto the website, because you can read pretty much whatever you want on here even as a guest - to claim that they had been secretly spoken to by someone on the website. Plus, we know theres some monitoring by every man and his dog on here.

BUT, let me make it clear, that not everyone is out for your wellbeing, some individuals just want to get information out of you for there own benefit. Remember that.

 

[k1w1]

Not only IC, Police are visiting all the buyers from all Kenneth Law's websites (ImtimeCuisine, EscMode and Ambuca).

Good post Mate

 

[Lawliet]

this is scary. why isn't the website private yet?? i'm so sorry to the people who have purchased and now live in greater fear.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

this is scary. why isn't the website private yet?? i'm so sorry to the people who have purchased and now live in greater fear.

What exactly does "private" mean? LE or other authorities would still be able to join and infiltrate in order to gleen information from the site.

 

[Forever Sleep]

UPDATE

Tis I once again, not with really a huge update on the case (Laws bail hearing was supposed to be this week, so they postponed it to next week, hence why I didn't offer an update as it wasn't much of one).

HOWEVER.

In my research something very interesting came to my attention.

Over the past weeks a few websites had been reporting about the fact that there had been a 10% increase in suicide calls in 2023 compared to 2022 which isn't a huge shock. What I found was a claim that police forces around the world are looking more closely at recent suicides due to the sale and distribution of sodium nitrite due to it now being known worldwide in the news and to authorities.

The focus on the case in the meantime is various news sites highlighting the fact that most people got the substance from a particular evil website… whatever could that be?? So now you would expect the usual witch hunt of how bad the website is.

Police have shown up in the middle of the night without support workers, and some have alleged multiple visits in the span of a few days. Some people have said that they purchased sodium nitrite from Law, while others say they merely filled out a form but never received the product.

Now for the interesting part.

In a recent article on another news website one of the journalist claimed that a particular user of this website has spoken to a journalist under anonymity;

'They received two consecutive suicide checks from a police force within Ontario in the weeks following Law's arrest. The source did not confirm if they reside in Peel Region or elsewhere in the province.'

The supposed source said, "I had prepared myself that this was likely to happen, but it still rattled me,"

They said they had disposed of sodium nitrite purchased from Law several months before his arrest.

"I was truthful, I was honest," they said. "I answered their questions…and then they came again. Different officers, claiming the dispatch system hadn't updated and showed my case as open/unresolved. I repeated what I told their colleagues, they had no more questions and left.

"By then I was physically sick. Shaking. Sweats. Nausea. Anxiety sky-high," the source continued. "Living with a mental illness is like riding a wave. It takes a lot of energy and concentration to stay on that surf board and it doesn't take much to kick you off into the cold water. The wellness checks definitely threw me off mine."

The journalist claimed that their 'source' claims their wellness checks did not include a social worker or plainclothes officer, rather uniformed officers who embarrassed the source and continued to "hang around" in their neighbourhood after checking in on them.

"Our mental healthcare system is overwhelmed and underfunded," the source said. "Let's please not make things worse for those who are one or two steps away from homelessness."

Now. There's no point in saying, that people are talking to journalists because part of me probably thinks that there isn't a 'source' and they just came onto the website, because you can read pretty much whatever you want on here even as a guest - to claim that they had been secretly spoken to by someone on the website. Plus, we know theres some monitoring by every man and his dog on here.

BUT, let me make it clear, that not everyone is out for your wellbeing, some individuals just want to get information out of you for there own benefit. Remember that.

The upsurge in people ringing the helpline doesn't surprise me. I agreed to be put in contact with the Crisis team because I felt like the police officers were going to feel more comfortable leaving- if it looked like I was going to make use of the support. For me- the conversations with the Crisis people were even more distressing than the welfare check with the police. I made it clear I wasn't in immediate 'danger' to both but the Crisis person started talking about mental capacity and how much it would upset my family! Fact is- I won't have any close family left by the time I CTB- that's what I've been holding on for...

 

[Lawliet]

What exactly does "private" mean? LE or other authorities would still be able to join and infiltrate in order to gleen information from the site.

to at least make it a little harder to access. i know they could still join

 

[JuliaOnTheNet]

CCS not included, so at least for backup I can still order from CCS.

Yeah $75 for 50G versus $65 for 500G, speaks for itself.

kek I paid 60€ for half a kg and 55€ was shipping. That guy was charging 100x more than SN is worth even if buying tiny quantities (500grams)

 

[melwarson]

At risk of giving up my identity here- I'm in Canada and was paid a second visit by police exactly a week after my first one, at 9 at night. There was no reason for this 2nd visit, everything was well after the first one. No new questions were asked. When I asked the purpose of *another* wellness check, the officer replied that the system (or file number) hadn't been updated after the first visit. I wasn't buying it. This 2nd visit was harassment with the purpose of intimidation and not one bit for my own welfare. The officer this second time around had a significantly different demeanor than the first officer from a week ago. She was over-eager, arrogant and quite condescending. I got the impression that possibly, with the media attention around KL, that she was after recognition or a promotion. I am on high alert, expecting more harassment. I'm worried about more late night knocks at my landlord's door and more surprises, even a search warrant. Just a heads up to others, and any advice welcomed.

Forgive me I'm new here but why are the police so concerned? Isn't it legal in Canada? I am in the US and read they expanded MAID. If they come back I would tell them I won't have anything to say without an attorney. In the US you have that right. I don't know if the laws are different in Canada.

 

[Elan123]

Forgive me I'm new here but why are the police so concerned? Isn't it legal in Canada? I am in the US and read they expanded MAID. If they come back I would tell them I won't have anything to say without an attorney. In the US you have that right. I don't know if the laws are different in Canada.

SN legal in most countries. Concerning these wellness visits as far as Im concerned just say that you're fine and have nothing more to say don't answer any other questions. In Canada people have that right same as in the US . I think a lot of people are being too accommodating with the police . Nothing you ever say to the police will be in your best interests. Many are saying that the police officers were nice even when insisting they go the the ER. MAID is an entirely separate situation- it's government controlled. In Canada we have a very authoritarian government.

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"Three other police forces said that they were reviewing past deaths in light of the allegations against Law.

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In Durham Region, east of Toronto, police said they were working with the coroner's office to review sudden death investigations where sodium nitrate or sodium nitrite were deemed to be the cause of death or a contributing factor."

From day one it's been obvious why they're making these "wellness" visits. It's to gather evidence for their case against KL. They no doubt will be following up on those they visited to see if they killed themselves in the interim period.