N from D megathread

[CassieHoward]

f thread is on hold for the moment since the one legitimate dealer i knew of from the darknet seems to have started putting out garbage product. i'm not going to post a thread if i cant recommend a legitimate source to ppl. once i find one i will resume

apologies for the hold-up

 

[eldiablo666]

A thought just occurred to me -- what if D took N and offed himself??

I doubt it. D isn't just one person either afaik.

 

[wljourney]

Just a recap for anyone who hasn't been online for a while.

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September/October 2022 - Recap

- there is currently no reliable, trustworthy source for N
- D has stopped supplying N and his previous emails have been taken offline
- Exit Int is not updating the PPeH on a quarterly basis anymore
- Exit is now selling "The Essentials" - a shorter online version of the PPeH, which is updated on a monthly basis
- For a few days in September there was a new email address published, but it turned out to be a scam/not reliable
- Exit/Philip Nietzsche confirmed in their own forum that there are currently no known, reliable sellers of N.

All this has lead to even more scammers coming out of the woodworks, claiming to have either access to N or claiming to have D's new contact info. Quite a few members here have lost money to them.

If/when the situation changes this thread will be updated.

 

[ooglah]

Just a recap for anyone who hasn't been online for a while.

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September/October 2022 - Recap

- there is currently no reliable, trustworthy source for N
- D has stopped supplying N and his previous emails have been taken offline
- Exit Int is not updating the PPeH on a quarterly basis anymore
- Exit is now selling "The Essentials" - a shorter online version of the PPeH, which is updated on a monthly basis
- For a few days in September there was a new email address published, but it turned out to be a scam/not reliable
- Exit/Philip Nietzsche confirmed in their own forum that there are currently no known, reliable sellers of N.

All this has lead to even more scammers coming out of the woodworks, claiming to have either access to N or claiming to have D's new contact info. Quite a few members here have lost money to them.

If/when the situation changes this thread will be updated.

Can it be locked until that point? This thread gets derailed all the time.

 

[wljourney]

Can it be locked until that point? This thread gets derailed all the time.

I'm not sure if that would be helpful.
While I agree that the thread gets derailed often, locking it would lead to people making singular posts, asking the same questions again and again. Many of the longterm members who follow this N-topic closely get updates/notifications when someone asks a question in this megathread. That wouldn't happen for singular posts of new members. Therefore leading to many, many single posts and much (!) more work to manage replies.

I'd rather have one large thread as source of information (and where people go to find out what's new) than dozens of small threads.

 

[Smart No More]

Perhaps a strict "on topic only" only rule for this thread could be imposed?

 

[ChrisLeeHZ]

Just a recap for anyone who hasn't been online for a while.

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September/October 2022 - Recap

- there is currently no reliable, trustworthy source for N
- D has stopped supplying N and his previous emails have been taken offline
- Exit Int is not updating the PPeH on a quarterly basis anymore
- Exit is now selling "The Essentials" - a shorter online version of the PPeH, which is updated on a monthly basis
- For a few days in September there was a new email address published, but it turned out to be a scam/not reliable
- Exit/Philip Nietzsche confirmed in their own forum that there are currently no known, reliable sellers of N.

All this has lead to even more scammers coming out of the woodworks, claiming to have either access to N or claiming to have D's new contact info. Quite a few members here have lost money to them.

If/when the situation changes this thread will be updated.

Has the global shortage been solved?What else solution can we take if D is no longer available?

 

[eldiablo666]

Has the global shortage been solved?What else solution can we take if D is no longer available?

Afaik there's still global shortage.

But yeah, we don't know for sure because D is not active right now.

 

[wljourney]

Has the global shortage been solved?What else solution can we take if D is no longer available?

AFAIK the global shortage is still a problem and will continue for another year or even longer.

Right now I would look into other methods.

 

[MaidenException]

Has the global shortage been solved?What else solution can we take if D is no longer available?

I'm not sure how useful this information is and none of these methods have been vetted (heh) by members but the American Veterinary Medical Association has a list of alternatives. How easily accessible they are, I'm not entirely sure yet, but I'm looking into it as N was my preferred method.

 

[steve_s5]

I'm not sure how useful this information is and none of these methods have been vetted (heh) by members but the American Veterinary Medical Association has a list of alternatives. How easily accessible they are, I'm not entirely sure yet, but I'm looking into it as N was my preferred method.

Alternatives: https://www.acamaid.org/wp-content/...21-Adding-phenobarbital-to-DDMA-protocols.pdf

 

[Throwawaysoul]

FML I had bitcoin, I could have been a thousandaire, i dragged my feet with A,J,C and now D. I'm not feeling SN, so I'm stuck in this world. My lifetime procrastination has put me in this situation. It's my curse.

 

[Smart No More]

FML I had bitcoin, I could have been a thousandaire, i dragged my feet with A,J,C and now D. I'm not feeling SN, so I'm stuck in this world. My lifetime procrastination has put me in this situation. It's my curse.

I'm really gutted I never got powder N. Know how you feel. SN isn't for me either. I'm just hoping for someone to synthesise some powder and stsrt selling that. I'm alao looking at the various opioids that are largely under most people's radar but are as steong as/stronger than fent by significant margins. Obtaining them comes with it's challenges but they're out there and if you already have crypto sorted.....

 

[eldiablo666]

I'm really gutted I never got powder N. Know how you feel. SN isn't for me either. I'm just hoping for someone to synthesise some powder and stsrt selling that. I'm alao looking at the various opioids that are largely under most people's radar but are as steong as/stronger than fent by significant margins. Obtaining them comes with it's challenges but they're out there and if you already have crypto sorted.....

Anything BM is shady buisness. You never know really what you get unless you're ready to lab test it but I wonder which lab can identify carfent e.g

 

[purella]

FML I had bitcoin, I could have been a thousandaire, i dragged my feet with A,J,C and now D. I'm not feeling SN, so I'm stuck in this world. My lifetime procrastination has put me in this situation. It's my curse.

mee tooooo A C D

 

[damaged_soul]

Is it still possible to travel abroad to get N in-person? Or is that option out too due to the shortage?

 

[sundown12]

I'm really gutted I never got powder N. Know how you feel. SN isn't for me either. I'm just hoping for someone to synthesise some powder and stsrt selling that. I'm alao looking at the various opioids that are largely under most people's radar but are as steong as/stronger than fent by significant margins. Obtaining them comes with it's challenges but they're out there and if you already have crypto sorted.....

i've only heard of carfent being stronger than fent, what are the other ones?

 

[Throwawaysoul]

Is it still possible to travel abroad to get N in-person? Or is that option out too due to the shortage?

Maybe ? But…. you're going to need to be convincing and fluent in the language of whatever location you're in.

 

[Somber]

Any new supplier of N is going to be considered suspicious due to lack of a track record for good reasons.

If they genuinely intend to sell N to forum members they will establish their good intentions by sending a sample to a long term forum member in good standing, free of charge, who is willing to have the substance tested by a recognized laboratory and published, in turn verifying the trustworthyness of the new source.

For the source this would be an investment into its reputation that is essential to have in a market plagued by scams, ensuring future trade.

 

[wljourney]

Is it still possible to travel abroad to get N in-person? Or is that option out too due to the shortage?

You can try, but it is increasingly difficult to obtain due to the shortage, yes.
And as above poster said: you need to be fluent in the language, have contacts or hire a driver/interpreter and you can't carry it out of the country you are visiting. Afaik especially Mexico has gotten more restrictive with selling N too, so you'd have to venture further into South America.

 

[Smart No More]

Any new supplier of N is going to be considered suspicious due to lack of a track record for good reasons.

If they genuinely intend to sell N to forum members they will establish their good intentions by sending a sample to a long term forum member in good standing, free of charge, who is willing to have the substance tested by a recognized laboratory and published, in turn verifying the trustworthyness of the new source.

For the source this would be an investment into its reputation that is essential to have in a market plagued by scams, ensuring future trade.

I get your logic there but I think there's a more pragmatic way. The seller themselves can have the product tested and provide the results in a legitimate /none fake manner and then agree to have a video chat with a trusted member displaying their stock. No faces need to be seen. It can be done through ecrypted apps. All anonymous. If they offer excuses like "I don't have it here etc" arrangements can be made to call when they do. If they still disagree they're either scammers or they don't want the customers.

Of course this would require a trusted member being agreeable to such a call too but if they can't show significant supply via video call they'll usually be a scammer.

 

[wljourney]

I get your logic there but I think there's a more pragmatic way. The seller themselves can have the product tested and provide the results in a legitimate /none fake manner and then agree to have a video chat with a trusted member displaying their stock. No faces need to be seen. It can be done through ecrypted apps. All anonymous. If they offer excuses like "I don't have it here etc" arrangements can be made to call when they do. If they still disagree they're either scammers or they don't want the customers.

Of course this would require a trusted meber being agreeable to the call too.

In the end we will need people who are willing to risk it and order.
We can vet suppliers, yes. But in the end: The more successful orders arrive, the safer it will be for the next person.
Until the supplier decides to stop sending the product.

 

[Smart No More]

i've only heard of carfent being stronger than fent, what are the other ones?

There's quite a few. Some of them are other fetanals and some are different types of synthesised opioid analogues.

This one is what's replacing fentanyl in the M30 pressed/fake oxy pills lately. And killing many people. UK included which previously had nothing like the problem countries such as the State's do.

Etonitazepyne - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

You can follow a few links from there which will identify various others. Some can confusingly appear to be of the same or similar name but it's usually due to a single letter change. Scientific reasons.

 

[👁️👃👁️]

Hi Red Scare, probably a good idea but I can't see the option to delete the pic.

D got back to me again, and he's not sure where to add the zipcode on the form either but he said it's really important! The post office said you don' t need the address but D says you do.

Anyone who has paid via MoneyGram or WU?

You remember when you posted that picture publicly? Think that's why you got caught?

 

[damaged_soul]

You can try, but it is increasingly difficult to obtain due to the shortage, yes.
And as above poster said: you need to be fluent in the language, have contacts or hire a driver/interpreter and you can't carry it out of the country you are visiting. Afaik especially Mexico has gotten more restrictive with selling N too, so you'd have to venture further into South America.

Alright. I have been studying Spanish on Duolingo since January in hopes that it will help me with getting N. I might travel to Bolivia or some other South American country once I'm financially stable enough to afford the trip. And if I do so, I'll be sure to consume the N in the country itself rather than bringing it back home. Hopefully once I'm financially stable enough the shortage will have lessened. Or I might just use SN.

 

[eldiablo666]

Anyone got any insider news on the shortage?
Vets still need this stuff right so what's the news on this?

Surely there must be labs up and running producing this again.

Anyone?

 

[wljourney]

Anyone got any insider news on the shortage?
Vets still need this stuff right so what's the news on this?

Surely there must be labs up and running producing this again.

Anyone?

Shortage continues.
Only 2 companies globally were able to make vet-N.
One blew up.
Vet associations have advised about alternative drug combinations that can be used for euthanization.
Some countries bought up and stashed vet-N when the incident occurred and have been handling the rationing.

You can find all that via google. The reports are from 2021, but the shortage is expected to last at least 2 years.
Rebuilding a whole lab facility costs billions and takes years. Very specialized equipment that you can't just order in a few weeks.
Then the facility has to be inspected by multiple agencies to make sure the quality standards are up to their expectations.
Until that happens, no drug will be produced/leave the plant.

Same as plants that produce drugs for humans. It takes years.

 

[eldiablo666]

Shortage continues.
Only 2 companies globally were able to make vet-N.
One blew up.
Vet associations have advised about alternative drug combinations that can be used for euthanization.
Some countries bought up and stashed vet-N when the incident occurred and have been handling the rationing.

You can find all that via google. The reports are from 2021, but the shortage is expected to last at least 2 years.
Rebuilding a whole lab facility costs billions and takes years. Very specialized equipment that you can't just order in a few weeks.
Then the facility has to be inspected by multiple agencies to make sure the quality standards are up to their expectations.
Until that happens, no drug will be produced/leave the plant.

Same as plants that produce drugs for humans. It takes years.

Thank you for the info.
But can we take a moment and just think about how crazy that sounds , like 2 labs in the whole world? We know for a fact that N is also produced locally in either Peru or Bolivia - is this the second lab you're talking about?

 

[wljourney]

Thank you for the info.
But can we take a moment and just think about how crazy that sounds , like 2 labs in the whole world? We know for a fact that N is also produced locally in either Peru or Bolivia - is this the second lab you're talking about?

You may have misunderstood that.
It is not being PRODUCED in Peru or Bolivia. It is sold in pharmacies there and those countries have little/no restrictions about who they sell to.

And it isn't crazy at all.

Have you not read about the most recent run on MonkeyPox-Vaccines?

Monkeypox Vaccine Maker Seeks Partners in Race to Meet Demand

Bavarian Nordic A/S, the only company with an approved vaccine for monkeypox, said it’s no longer certain it can meet demand and is talking to multiple production partners as cases rise across the world.

www.bloomberg.com

Only ONE company produces the specific vaccine (Bavarian Nordic in Denmark).
The USA pretty much bought up ALL of their existing stock and now they still have to figure out how to get the freeze dried powder from large vats reconstituted and filled into vials for usage.

Bavarian Nordic had been renovating/moving their production facility from Belgium to Denmark (afaik) when the Monkey Pox thing started in early summer and for a while there was not a single lab/plant globally that could have jumped in and produced the vaccine.

Same thing.
It's a combination of
- having the technology
- having people trained (knowhow)
- owning the rights and patents
- having capacity in your production line
- having passed all quality inspections by your potential customer (countries)

 

[whitefeather]

The recent NYT article about this website changed how Exit International & D operate regarding N . This website hasn't been the same since the 2022 NYT article. This website is an evolutionary miracle that we all must safeguard and treasure.