Willy Wonka
Member
- Dec 15, 2021
- 31
Where's the content hidden behind that 100 $ paywall that he mentioned (lol)?
GrizzlyGrapefruit
Student
- Jun 17, 2019
- 109
This right here, and by now, it's quite obvious that he failed miserably at trying to put a dent into SS -- in fact, he did quite the opposite. Happy that we get to move on from yet another attempt to take down such a helpful site.
Walpurgisnacht
Lavender
- Feb 25, 2023
- 99
I found this place through his video, which I found to be honestly rather infuriating; he clearly doesn't understand anything about what problems suicidal people actually face, and yet still feels qualified to be a speak over us about our struggles. I followed him for his music related videos, which are well made and good, but he should really have just stayed in his lane about this topic, it's much more complex than "existence = value" and he doesn't even try to be open-minded about it.
That said, I would like to thank him for letting me find this place; I have only one like-minded person in my life who understands my struggles and traumas, and it was honestly wonderful to find a place that exists where I could discuss these things openly without fear of being maligned, sectioned, ostracised or shoved off to a suicide hotline that cares more about their company's own liability than the suffering the people on the other end of the phone are experiencing. To find that my friend and I are not the only people in the world that thinks the way we do is so... relieving. To know that actual, real help exists in this world for people like me.
Just knowing you guys are here with me is helping me navigate this world better. Knowing I'm not insane or unique in this struggle of suffering in a cruel and unjust world is so helpful and I'm incredibly grateful for the community you provide here.
So, thank you Tantacrul, I wouldn't have found an accepting and caring place to express my true feelings if you hadn't made your awful video. I'd say "I hope you listen to more than talk over suicidal people in the future," but I doubt you'd ever consider that you might be wrong about this after the ridiculous crusade you're on now.
That said, I would like to thank him for letting me find this place; I have only one like-minded person in my life who understands my struggles and traumas, and it was honestly wonderful to find a place that exists where I could discuss these things openly without fear of being maligned, sectioned, ostracised or shoved off to a suicide hotline that cares more about their company's own liability than the suffering the people on the other end of the phone are experiencing. To find that my friend and I are not the only people in the world that thinks the way we do is so... relieving. To know that actual, real help exists in this world for people like me.
Just knowing you guys are here with me is helping me navigate this world better. Knowing I'm not insane or unique in this struggle of suffering in a cruel and unjust world is so helpful and I'm incredibly grateful for the community you provide here.
So, thank you Tantacrul, I wouldn't have found an accepting and caring place to express my true feelings if you hadn't made your awful video. I'd say "I hope you listen to more than talk over suicidal people in the future," but I doubt you'd ever consider that you might be wrong about this after the ridiculous crusade you're on now.
terrastella
alive at 20 dead at birth
- Feb 20, 2023
- 7
i was suggested the video on youtube one day, and halfway through the video i stopped to think "wait this forum looks cool" and never returned to that vid lol. i was suicidal and feeling cornered after years and years of different recovery practices, and this place feels like a genuine safe space for me. especially in the US, where death as a topic provokes strong emotion and is always taken negatively.
A summary so far…
And that’s just this thread.
And that’s just this thread.
To be honest, I've joined just to find this site for myself to truly grasp the actual toxicity, I like to look at them myself. But anyways this is amazingly written, in the past, I've tried multiple times to off myself because of the pain and misery of my home life, and sure, mines got better, but only after my parents took me seriously and acknowledge that I'm human. I would want no human being on this earth to have the continued suffering I did when I was younger, It was truly a mental hell. So thank you, I'm glad I can now talk freely about my suffering and pain while helping others.
(I joined from the video too, tantacrul's video makes amazing advisement am I right\j)
(I joined from the video too, tantacrul's video makes amazing advisement am I right\j)
JuliaOnTheNet
pew pew pew
- Feb 14, 2023
- 65
Soon next video by another youtuber:
And to my original point, me (and I think many other) who struggle with SI watched his video and found this site afterwards and i think it's amazing it happened he's obviously making people aware that site exists which is a good thing.
I'd have probably opted for ctb by train since I didn't know any other sure ways to do it, now I got SN, SA (,N) and much more to my choice and ready for whenever I decide I want to do it
For his goal he's obviously done more harm then good. Everyone knows this site is about ctb, I doubt anyone stops browsing this site after tantacruel's video. He's also so wrong about this site being toxic and encouraging people to die, I haven't seen someone obviously not ready or torn between the choice if they shold ctb or not being encouraged..
And to my original point, me (and I think many other) who struggle with SI watched his video and found this site afterwards and i think it's amazing it happened he's obviously making people aware that site exists which is a good thing.
I'd have probably opted for ctb by train since I didn't know any other sure ways to do it, now I got SN, SA (,N) and much more to my choice and ready for whenever I decide I want to do it
Walpurgisnacht
Lavender
- Feb 25, 2023
- 99
He's making money off it, that's all. He's monetising suicidal people's suffering while silencing our voices so his bad faith tabloid video about us gets spread faster than any of our stories could.
I have this shit video in my recommended list on every single youtube video i watch, because he's paying to have it show up everywhere, he's even advertising his attempt to profit off vulnerable people's suffering and death.
I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt, but he never even tried to consider he might be wrong when preaching about a mental state he's clearly never experienced himself and is entirely ignorant on.
So, imo, it's just about money and his dopamine hit from being a self-righteous ass. He wants more views and internet attention by abusing an already severely marginalised minority group for cheap shock value.
Abadoned_Me
obsessive loli
- Mar 3, 2023
- 34
this is the only site where i feel welcome and safe
thanks for writing this
thanks for writing this
Lost in a Dream
Enlightened
- Feb 22, 2020
- 1,316
I love how all this has gone down, despite how we feel about Tentacruel and his BS video. It's kinda like this:
Tantacrul (makes a video): That place is so horrible! They drink the blood of virgins and send you a free SN kit when you join! Never join it. They be evil yo!
New members: This place be kinda cool. Thanks for sending me here dude!
Tantacrul (makes a video): That place is so horrible! They drink the blood of virgins and send you a free SN kit when you join! Never join it. They be evil yo!
New members: This place be kinda cool. Thanks for sending me here dude!
RainAndSadness
Administrator
- Jun 12, 2018
- 1,870
So I thought it's time to put this chapter to an end. We have survived all the potential backlash, in fact we are stronger than ever before. I want to engage with three arguments he wrote under his own Youtube video. He wrote plenty of comments, addressing some of the criticism under his video and I thought I'd deconstruct some of them.
Comment number one.
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When someone brings up my response to him, he says he doesn't want to respond to my criticism in this thread, saying his intention first and foremost was to get people out of the forum. And apparently two members decided to leave the forum as a result of his video and he uses that as an argument why his video was a success. There is just one problem. As a result of your video, we had thousands(!) of guests visiting this forum, people who are now aware that this place exists and we had a significant increase in member count, approximately 3.5k new members joined this forum since you dropped that video. That's a huge increase of new active members. So when you say you made two members leave, let's make it 20 or even 200 just for the sake of argument - it doesn't compare well to all the new members that came from your community, people who joined us because they saw through your bullshit.
Let me visualise the scope of the new attention we've received thanks to your video. This is a graph of all new registrations from December to the end of February. Before Tantacrul released his video, we had approximately 30-50 new registrations every day. Now it's several hundreds each day. You can see we had zero registrations when we turned them off temporarily but as soon we opened registrations again, we had another spike. Not even the NYT article caused so much incoming traffic over such a long time.
Honestly, I don't want this forum to grow exponentially but that's we experienced in the last few months. I don't want advertisment for this place and as I said previously, it was a good thing you had to do very specific research to find this forum. But you've singlehandedly changed that. Thanks to you, anyone can find this forum now. That's what happens when our opponents can't stop talking about the existence of this forum for one second. Years of activism to get us deplatformed, only to help us grow in size and that's not exactly a new thing. This has happened every time when a news outlet talked about us, this has been a reoccuring theme since 2019.
But it gets even better. Thanks to Tantacrul, we are now mainstream, so much that we even have a Wikipedia article now - with a direct link to our forum. Sincere question, is that a victory for you? How does it feel to be responsible for all of that, Tantacrul? Maybe you shouldn't have listened to these "grievings parents", because they've been helping to grow this forum for approximately three years now. Streissand effect, I'm pretty sure you know about that. And I knew that would happen, one day before your video released, I made this comment on my profile.
And it turns out, I was right, don't you think? I hope you'll sleep well tonight, Tantacrul.
Interesting choice of words though. Someone points out that we criticised his video (and it literally contains false information btw) and he implied his only goal was to reach as many members as possible with that video and make them leave the forum - which is the reason why the video consists of nothing but slander. That was always his goal and nothing else. It was never his intention to have a meaninful conversation about the topics discussed in this forum and that just shows he doesn't care about the struggles of our members. He doesn't really care about suicidal people. And look. He could have used his time and energy to create something productive, instead he released this hitpiece that doesn't improve anyone's life. And what's worse, he is still making alt-account not only in this forum but also on Kiwifarms, acting like a troll instead of taking care of his community. You would think that would be his main priority now instead of wasting so much time with such nonsense.
Comment number two.
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2. he says another reason why he doesn't want to respond to criticsm is because he hasn't seen any counter-arguments worth engaging with. I find it a little bit difficult to believe. There is a reason why his entire video is based on slander, why he doesn't show any of my countless efforts defending the existence of this forum or the response of the community. If he engaged with the arguments I've presented in my thread or the arguments of other people in the favor of this forum, he would expose his audience to pretty convincing and common sense arguments in favor of individual autonomy and consequently the right to die. And he doesn't like that. It's as simple as that.
And all the new members from your communtity, who made up their own mind after reading some of our posts, prove that point.
Comment number three.
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He also justified the existence of this video and exposing his audience to the forum with the fact that the community is already huge, implying he doesn't really contribute to the popularity of this forum. But wait a minute, isn't it people like him that made the forum so big in the first place? I thought a meme might be an appropiate way to explain in very simple terms why videos like his and the coverage we received from every single news outlet on this planet in the last 3 years are the reason we have such an "enormous reach", as he claims.
Over the past few years, we had excellent exposure thanks to the media. And just a little reminder for all the people out there. We don't advertise for the forum. It's you people that give us free advertisment for this place, over and over again. We never asked for it and honestly, I never wanted it. It was never anyone's intention to grow this forum so quickly. But what do you expect, when you advertise the "forbidden fruit" to people, do you really think people aren't at least gonna take a look? Something that's so bad, we can't talk about it openly? Something so horrible you should under no circumstances look for this place? News flash, people are gonna do the exact opposite and that's a pretty human thing. People don't like to be told what they're allowed to see and read. That's why we had so many guests in the past few months and I can assure you, even if they didn't make an account yet - there will plenty of people that bookmarked this forum just in case. You never know when you might need the ressources in this forum. And maybe people like the fact that they can use this forum to talk about the "forbidden fruit" so openly and reading through the registration queue, that seems to be a common theme among people who want to join this forum.
I'll end my response with a quote of mine from 2021.
"Every time you mention that there is a place out there, in the distant corners of the internet, that allows people to talk about deeply personal struggles without censorship and the moralising undertone, a platform that recognises individual autonomy and the right to decide what happens with your own life (which you essentially treat like the forbidden fruit of the 21th century by the way) you will increase the member count of this forum - deal with it."
It doesn't matter how you spin it, this forum is immune to bad publicity. In our case, all publicity is good publicity and that's why our opponents struggle so much with this forum. They can't grasp the idea that people actually want this forum to exist - because it addresses very important and neglected needs.
And that's all I have to say about Tantacrul and his shameful video. He is obviously not interested to have a meaningful conversation about the topics discussed in this forum and he doesn't even want to portray our position in a fair light as seen in his hilarious engagement on Kiwifarms. He is scrambling to find a good justification for his video and I said, it has already backfired. And let's be honest, he probably knows that his video was a huge mistake, he just can't admit it. His desperate attempts to control the narrative on Kiwifarms, all his alt-accounts in this forum - it's just pure cope.
Here is my final question.. was it really worth it, Tantacrul?
I'm out.
Comment number one.
(source)When someone brings up my response to him, he says he doesn't want to respond to my criticism in this thread, saying his intention first and foremost was to get people out of the forum. And apparently two members decided to leave the forum as a result of his video and he uses that as an argument why his video was a success. There is just one problem. As a result of your video, we had thousands(!) of guests visiting this forum, people who are now aware that this place exists and we had a significant increase in member count, approximately 3.5k new members joined this forum since you dropped that video. That's a huge increase of new active members. So when you say you made two members leave, let's make it 20 or even 200 just for the sake of argument - it doesn't compare well to all the new members that came from your community, people who joined us because they saw through your bullshit.
Let me visualise the scope of the new attention we've received thanks to your video. This is a graph of all new registrations from December to the end of February. Before Tantacrul released his video, we had approximately 30-50 new registrations every day. Now it's several hundreds each day. You can see we had zero registrations when we turned them off temporarily but as soon we opened registrations again, we had another spike. Not even the NYT article caused so much incoming traffic over such a long time.
Honestly, I don't want this forum to grow exponentially but that's we experienced in the last few months. I don't want advertisment for this place and as I said previously, it was a good thing you had to do very specific research to find this forum. But you've singlehandedly changed that. Thanks to you, anyone can find this forum now. That's what happens when our opponents can't stop talking about the existence of this forum for one second. Years of activism to get us deplatformed, only to help us grow in size and that's not exactly a new thing. This has happened every time when a news outlet talked about us, this has been a reoccuring theme since 2019.
But it gets even better. Thanks to Tantacrul, we are now mainstream, so much that we even have a Wikipedia article now - with a direct link to our forum. Sincere question, is that a victory for you? How does it feel to be responsible for all of that, Tantacrul? Maybe you shouldn't have listened to these "grievings parents", because they've been helping to grow this forum for approximately three years now. Streissand effect, I'm pretty sure you know about that. And I knew that would happen, one day before your video released, I made this comment on my profile.
And it turns out, I was right, don't you think? I hope you'll sleep well tonight, Tantacrul.
Interesting choice of words though. Someone points out that we criticised his video (and it literally contains false information btw) and he implied his only goal was to reach as many members as possible with that video and make them leave the forum - which is the reason why the video consists of nothing but slander. That was always his goal and nothing else. It was never his intention to have a meaninful conversation about the topics discussed in this forum and that just shows he doesn't care about the struggles of our members. He doesn't really care about suicidal people. And look. He could have used his time and energy to create something productive, instead he released this hitpiece that doesn't improve anyone's life. And what's worse, he is still making alt-account not only in this forum but also on Kiwifarms, acting like a troll instead of taking care of his community. You would think that would be his main priority now instead of wasting so much time with such nonsense.
Comment number two.
(source)2. he says another reason why he doesn't want to respond to criticsm is because he hasn't seen any counter-arguments worth engaging with. I find it a little bit difficult to believe. There is a reason why his entire video is based on slander, why he doesn't show any of my countless efforts defending the existence of this forum or the response of the community. If he engaged with the arguments I've presented in my thread or the arguments of other people in the favor of this forum, he would expose his audience to pretty convincing and common sense arguments in favor of individual autonomy and consequently the right to die. And he doesn't like that. It's as simple as that.
And all the new members from your communtity, who made up their own mind after reading some of our posts, prove that point.
Comment number three.
(source)
He also justified the existence of this video and exposing his audience to the forum with the fact that the community is already huge, implying he doesn't really contribute to the popularity of this forum. But wait a minute, isn't it people like him that made the forum so big in the first place? I thought a meme might be an appropiate way to explain in very simple terms why videos like his and the coverage we received from every single news outlet on this planet in the last 3 years are the reason we have such an "enormous reach", as he claims.
Over the past few years, we had excellent exposure thanks to the media. And just a little reminder for all the people out there. We don't advertise for the forum. It's you people that give us free advertisment for this place, over and over again. We never asked for it and honestly, I never wanted it. It was never anyone's intention to grow this forum so quickly. But what do you expect, when you advertise the "forbidden fruit" to people, do you really think people aren't at least gonna take a look? Something that's so bad, we can't talk about it openly? Something so horrible you should under no circumstances look for this place? News flash, people are gonna do the exact opposite and that's a pretty human thing. People don't like to be told what they're allowed to see and read. That's why we had so many guests in the past few months and I can assure you, even if they didn't make an account yet - there will plenty of people that bookmarked this forum just in case. You never know when you might need the ressources in this forum. And maybe people like the fact that they can use this forum to talk about the "forbidden fruit" so openly and reading through the registration queue, that seems to be a common theme among people who want to join this forum.
I'll end my response with a quote of mine from 2021.
"Every time you mention that there is a place out there, in the distant corners of the internet, that allows people to talk about deeply personal struggles without censorship and the moralising undertone, a platform that recognises individual autonomy and the right to decide what happens with your own life (which you essentially treat like the forbidden fruit of the 21th century by the way) you will increase the member count of this forum - deal with it."
It doesn't matter how you spin it, this forum is immune to bad publicity. In our case, all publicity is good publicity and that's why our opponents struggle so much with this forum. They can't grasp the idea that people actually want this forum to exist - because it addresses very important and neglected needs.
And that's all I have to say about Tantacrul and his shameful video. He is obviously not interested to have a meaningful conversation about the topics discussed in this forum and he doesn't even want to portray our position in a fair light as seen in his hilarious engagement on Kiwifarms. He is scrambling to find a good justification for his video and I said, it has already backfired. And let's be honest, he probably knows that his video was a huge mistake, he just can't admit it. His desperate attempts to control the narrative on Kiwifarms, all his alt-accounts in this forum - it's just pure cope.
Here is my final question.. was it really worth it, Tantacrul?
I'm out.
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voidbread
sleepyhead
- Mar 3, 2023
- 3
lurked this forum a few months back. i felt truly understood and comforted by some of the stuff i found here, and i felt ashamed for it, i thought i was a broken person for feeling that way.
ironically enough i got reminded of this site because of that video. while i don't entirely agree with everyone's philosophy here, i do believe it when i see others finding a true positive outlet here with little to no judgement, and honestly the whole video felt like him preaching to us and being completely ignorant.
i don't think he had bad intentions if that makes sense?? but it definitely came out hurtful to most of the people here. i was quite suspicious on how hard he demonized this site. the guy was clearly torn up over the loss of a friend, but calling the majority of people like us monsters, was it really the right call??
anyway, in part im happy i found this place again, i wish everyone the best of luck too!! :>
ironically enough i got reminded of this site because of that video. while i don't entirely agree with everyone's philosophy here, i do believe it when i see others finding a true positive outlet here with little to no judgement, and honestly the whole video felt like him preaching to us and being completely ignorant.
i don't think he had bad intentions if that makes sense?? but it definitely came out hurtful to most of the people here. i was quite suspicious on how hard he demonized this site. the guy was clearly torn up over the loss of a friend, but calling the majority of people like us monsters, was it really the right call??
anyway, in part im happy i found this place again, i wish everyone the best of luck too!! :>
neemva
student
- Mar 4, 2023
- 39
I too watched a video of Tantacrul in which he talked about this forum. To be honest, I wanted to find such forum a long time ago, where I can talk without being judged but I wasn't able to find anywhere....and weirdly thanks to his video, here I am...and he is mentioning itas suicide prevention video, like wow. And it is really a relief that I won't be attacked by so called mental health volunteers anymore for talking.
And he is never going to accept that any publicity is positive publicity.
And he is never going to accept that any publicity is positive publicity.
IJustWantToBeFree
Sehnsucht, Fernweh.
- Jan 2, 2023
- 35
It is good to have intelligent people on the side of protecting individual autonomy and the right to die, I would like to contribute something but unfortunately my mental disorders make it extremely difficult for me.
I really appreciate all the work you put into this despite what you have to go through personally.
LocalAngel
Lost, wanting out.
- Feb 7, 2023
- 179
I genuinely, wholeheartedly mean this: I would not be considering actually going through with CTB if it wasn't for his video. Not because i haven't had these thoughts, not because i hadn't looked it up several several times- but because i just didn't fucking know it was on the clearnet. I'm in Australia, so every bit of digging i did was on Tor. But here comes this fucking video, right? Saying how this forum gives all kinds of advice? But is apparently awful and horribly toxic? I didn't even look for the video, it got recommended.
So, i got curious and joined. Is there toxicity? Yes. Is it as bad as depicted? Fuck no, lmao. I've been suicidal for so fucking long and this place has given me a place to vent all of it, and freely talk about my problems without being worried about being locked up. Something i'd been off and on searching for, for years.
I am not saying that it's his fault. But i am being honest about the above- his video lead me to this site, which lead to me to buying SN. Fact.
Cryptonite
Life could have been so beautiful
- Apr 30, 2022
- 532
What I don't understand is the neverending audacity of people to poke around in someone else's personal matters such as CTB.
thevaccumguy
Member
- Feb 14, 2023
- 40
Heh, at the end , it all boils down to perspectives. They won't understand how we feel, and we wouldn't be here in the first place if we could keep on living like them.
bluefeather177
drowsy in a dark room
- Mar 2, 2023
- 15
On one hand I’m one of the people who’s here due to this video. And I have already felt pretty different about ctb since joining, in a good way. I never thought about ctb as being a right that someone gets to decide. I never knew about the PPH or ever even thought about a way to go peacefully. I’ve never had a space to be able to discuss this stuff without worrying hurting someone else. So I’m grateful to be here.
On the other hand it is truly disgusting to see him making money off of other people’s misery, all while labeling it a death cult. I haven’t seen anybody urging somebody to ctb if they weren’t 100% sure. In fact, I’ve actually seen the opposite! Somebody wasn’t sure so they were urged to give it more time and thought. This place isn’t what it is made out to be. And it’s vile to be profiting off of it.
On the other hand it is truly disgusting to see him making money off of other people’s misery, all while labeling it a death cult. I haven’t seen anybody urging somebody to ctb if they weren’t 100% sure. In fact, I’ve actually seen the opposite! Somebody wasn’t sure so they were urged to give it more time and thought. This place isn’t what it is made out to be. And it’s vile to be profiting off of it.
But that's just it. SpentStardust wasn't a friend of his. Not even an acquaintance. He was a subscriber that Tarantula looked up AFTER he had already died.
That's part of the reason I think he's legit crazy. He starts this crusade of pointing fingers and assigning blame when he himself did even less than we did while Stardust was still alive.
Like, dude... go look in a mirror. Then have a seat and contemplate your own life choices. Make a video about what YOU could've done differently, if anything.
It’s really interesting reading the comments from people who came across this site because of the video, many of whom have remarked on how the site has changed their life for the better.
In my current life, I work as a writer and editor. I so wish I could do a huge feature on SS — something balanced and honest. But I know that 1) being a member of the site would compromise the journalistic integrity of the piece, and 2) my supervising editors would never approve any content like that. Nonetheless, I think such a project would be extremely interesting.
In my current life, I work as a writer and editor. I so wish I could do a huge feature on SS — something balanced and honest. But I know that 1) being a member of the site would compromise the journalistic integrity of the piece, and 2) my supervising editors would never approve any content like that. Nonetheless, I think such a project would be extremely interesting.
A "suicide forum" will always be at the bottom of popular opinion. Death is taboo and suicide challenges the fear of mortality that common society has. A video/article targeting it, wont drive the people who seek it out away. It will just bring people in. People like me. This place is a breath of fresh air, while I have no current intentions - due to personal reasons - it gave me a place to see a perspective that is just absent in my life. A perspective that not even other suicidal people have expressed to me. That there is a choice, and it can be respected.
leeloosnow
Wizard
- Aug 28, 2022
- 673
this youtuber here who does intellectual and useful content (rather than incendiary) just posted this vid, thought it's a bit pertinent. he's a lawyer, this is abt 1st amendment in the US. if scotus protects fukin westboro baptist church saying horrid things outside fallen soldiers' funerals, and and every other kinda hate speech (repeatedly) it's particularly stupid and cruel to come after a mental health community. edit- i hate to even bring attention to the topic for several reasons but these ppl like tatercruel really need to find new hobbies and new therapists. they're not doing shit except free advertising as has been brought to their attention so many times
succ09
Member
- Mar 14, 2023
- 13
I did see video as such found this godsent forum to be part of. Tho i don't know how to feel about that video. Guess i'm neutral >.>
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lunarpixels
Member
- Mar 1, 2023
- 32
I found the video, disagreed with him, and found a place where I feel normal as well. Nice to know we are in the same boat.