My response to Tantacrul and his video.

[Readytogo246]

This is a sacred space. Thank you for stepping up to defend it!

 

[H25pital Order]

Not only does Tantacrul's fanbase find SS more interesting than his typical content, but YouTube demonetised it!

 

[Passenger01]

Theres always going to be some 'saviour of the world' type thinking they have to launch some sort of crusade - not watched this idiots videos but seems they thought it would be some kind of moneyspinner into the bargain. What a twisted little grotbag.

 

[OcularFear]

Honestly my opinion on it is that people should be free to die if they want to, why do people feel like they have the right to torture others by forcing them to live? It's cruel and inhumane, they allow their feelings of preservation of life get in the way of what the person is actually feeling, they chalk it up to "mental illness" and stuff us full of drugs that would kill a damn a pig until we behave and act like everyone else.

We shouldn't be forced to live as zombies stuffing drugs down our throats just to feel normal and happy. I just wish dying was easier. Because I'd be dead already, I don't want to suffer anymore, and neither do a lot of other people I know, they only live because dying is somehow harder than staying alive now. It's sickening. Just let us die, and be at peace rather than be at war with ourselves.

 

[mortuarymary]

This is a cult? No shit lol

 

[MiMif]

Unrelated but your so good at writing gosh.

Also thanks for this I feel heard

 

[Kevin_Logan]

That video made me investigate this site and I gotta say it looks like he cherry picked info

He didnt cherry picked info, he completally fabricated info.

 

[iloverachel]

I know this thread is a bit old, but I just learnt about Tentacrul and caught up with the whole thing, and I want to say well done on this thread. I have read it all and want to thank you for clearing up so many misconceptions about this site.
I am so glad you cleared up all the rumors spread by that disgrace of a YouTuber Tentacrul. Seeing him blame this site for the death of a minor made me so upset and you guys did the right thing by banning him and defending our site and its values.

 

[Oblivion]

the funny thing is the site's visitor tripled because of his video lol

 

[author]

I'm quite late to this too, but I found this video while looking for video essays and immediately recognized the layout / abbreviation for this site. First off, wonderful summary OP. Personally wish I had only read the summary instead of also watching the video, but I was curious why he was being so negative. It was so distressing to watch that I could barely get through it though. It felt horrible to have him question why I'm still alive.

I truly feel for his grieving, but that is no excuse to claim that people here are directly responsible for someone's death. There is no guarantee that Bobby C would have been alive if SS never existed - and in fact many people, including myself, are helped by this site.

When I came first here, I was in a place where I couldn't talk about my problems. I'd been traumatized by my last hospitalization. I didn't want to risk that again. This forum gave me the one place I could talk about my depression without worrying, or feeling like I was being a burden. I found people like me, and nobody has encouraged me to die or dissuaded me from getting help as he claims people do here. On the contrary, I've been offered compassion and advice on living.

Since coming here, my desire to die has vastly decreased. I'm still depressed, but I'm not actively trying to die. I mostly stay in the recovery/off-topic sections nowadays, but if this site hadn't existed or got shut down, I might have actually gotten worse because I wouldn't have had a safe community to talk to.

It's so disheartening to hear him claim to care about suicidal people, while also coming after the same suicidal people as if we're monsters who get off on watching each other die. The comments on that video are even worse. I couldn't even get halfway through the video before I had to stop. He blatantly lied and slandered everyone on this website, the vulnerable people he claims to care for.

He's truly shameful.

 

[MlemMy]

I'm even later to the party than the previous commenters, but i did create my account pretty much with the sole purpose of leaving this comment, so...
Yes, i did come from Tantacrul's video (which i only watched for about 5 minutes before starting to search for SS), and while it did make you all look bad... as someone who is suicidal and has been a part of "pro-ed" spaces for a while, i know how the mainstream villainizes mentally ill people who don't hide their struggles. I mean, they do the exact same thing with pro-ana; apparently, we're all nothing but evil wenches who want your children to starve themselves to death, so our forums NEED to be shut down... from experience, i kind of guessed the guy was probably one of those people who are loud about "advocating for mental health" but not if it means actually listening to the uncomfortable parts of it. It's 2024, and all this whole "acceptance" movement brought forward was a socially acceptable way to be ill; if you don't fit in, you better keep your thoughts in therapy (since telling us to keep it to ourselves would out them as what they really are: hypocritical and uncaring).
While i am supportive of this site's existence, i have a suggestion. I've read some of the replies here so i know i'm not the first to say this, but... i do think SS would benefit from having a "membership" system like Pancake does. The way it is now, anyone could see any content posted here without even making an account, meaning any desperate soul could simply browse the "Method" tag and do something irreversible without properly reflecting upon it. The hassle of having to sign up would deter, at least, the impulsive in that moment. Also, as a former minor, i can attest that the "Are you over 18?" check can't really be trusted, and i'm afraid there really isn't much you can do to stop kids from joining. Verifying each individual registration request is enough of a task for such a small team, now trying to somehow ascertain that everyone's details match up with their real life selves? It really isn't viable, specially due to this forum's nature.
That's all, sorry for giving my two cents that absolutely no one asked for LOL

 

[TANETS]

I've watched the video and it did make me think a lot. I don't think his intentions are bad per se, but I do question the choice of publicizing a video on this site with very careless attempts at censoring the sites true identity, ultimately causing Streisand effect.

I also find the use of the world cult purposefully dishonest.

What I do find weird is the comments questioning why "cat123 hasn't taken their life yet," and portraying this user as someone who takes sadistic pleasure in suicide rather than someone who is suicidal themselves. Asking why someone hasn't taken their life is pretty… . I mean isn't the point of the video to prevent suicide? So why question why a person hasn't ctb. That's pretty cruel.

People have to understand that a lot of suicidal people have done it all, thinking of the positives, therapy, medications… and they just don't work. I don't agree with romanticizing suicide, there's nothing beautiful about being unhappy, and I'm sure most people on this site would agree. There's so much someone on the internet can do that a therapist, medications, and a persons loved ones hasn't when it comes to discouraging suicide.

You really don't get it until you're actively living through it.

 

[BasePl27]

I was this close to commenting this under his video;
"Pretty 'sane' comment section you got here, people suggesting to Doxx members of this site who clearly struggle with depression and anxiety, people who just seek solace and peace now have to worry about being exposed great job spreading awareness about mental health is one thing but damning people who genuinely feel comforted by that space is another."
but I chickened out.

Safe to say I think this website is very important to many people and me included. From what I've seen and read people here care more about each other than those pretentious fucks in that comment section.
I think everyone should have the freedom to discuss suicide freely, without being judged or shunned.

 

[Powdering6749]

the funny thing is the site's visitor tripled because of his video lol

im one of these people who found out about the website because of him and i had been lurking there since he uploaded his video xd

 

[lamy's sacred sleep]

Here's my question, and this goes for everyone, would you recommend this site to a loved one ? If someone you deeply care about tell about their will to end themselves, would you be like "Oh it's okay, it's your freedom, btw here's some way to ctb, you're so brave" would you?

yes
i try to treat others how i'd like to be treated

 

[Unbearable Mr. Bear]

I never understood why other people want to tell us how to live or die. It's like they want to feel in control or something, huh? Because otherwise they would not be able to control their own lives, because they let other tell them how to live or die.

Ok that was slanderous but it does feel like that sometimes.

 

[Pale_Rider]

They spend so much time trying to cultivate an evil conspiracy theory that they never stop to think that many here are like minded. We have some of the same things on our mind. Im sure you can follow that thread.

 

[Unbearable Mr. Bear]

They spend so much time trying to cultivate an evil conspiracy theory that they never stop to think that many here are like minded. We have some of the same things on our mind. Im sure you can follow that thread.

It must be scary for them to see so many people from so many different places accepting death as natural and sometimes desirable. Most people have been hammered on their heads over and over that life should always be extended that they forgot they are the ones in control. They gave away their life to their dogmas. We didn't.

 

[raindrops]

It must be scary for them to see so many people from so many different places accepting death as natural and sometimes desirable. Most people have been hammered on their heads over and over that life should always be extended that they forgot they are the ones in control. They gave away their life to their dogmas. We didn't.

I currently have someone trying to ruin my reputation because of empty words, meaningless words. Words I used to hurt myself, words I used to distract myself, words I used to numb my own pain. They want to tarnish me as something so awful when I know what I am - I am detached from reality, I am always depressed, always hurting from the past. I never wanted a family of my own I cannot give a man what he wants. I will always be lonely and that's fine. At the very least I used words and not actions, at least I have not manipulated someone or attempted to coerce someone. I faked and lied to feel something. Now I assume they will take it literal. At least here on SS we carry some understanding. Although I never wish anyone to hurt themselves, I want everyone to live how they want, dress how they want and get the help they do deserve. I never got the right help because of detaching myself from reality.

 

[Unbearable Mr. Bear]

I currently have someone trying to ruin my reputation because of empty words, meaningless words. Words I used to hurt myself, words I used to distract myself, words I used to numb my own pain. They want to tarnish me as something so awful when I know what I am - I am detached from reality, I am always depressed, always hurting from the past. I never wanted a family of my own I cannot give a man what he wants. I will always be lonely and that's fine. At the very least I used words and not actions, at least I have not manipulated someone or attempted to coerce someone. I faked and lied to feel something. Now I assume they will take it literal. At least here on SS we carry some understanding. Although I never wish anyone to hurt themselves, I want everyone to live how they want, dress how they want and get the help they do deserve. I never got the right help because of detaching myself from reality.

It's almost like humans like to interact with other humans that don't hurt them! What a concept! Surely this new discovery will shake the very base of our scientific community!

Btw I'm not directing the sarcasm towards you, but rather towards the people that just don't understand we want a community that accepts us for who we are! Because they never seem to understand that very simple concept.

That's the community we all want to take part on. One that accepts us for who we are.

 

[raindrops]

It's almost like humans like to interact with other humans that don't hurt them! What a concept! Surely this new discovery will shake the very base of our scientific community!

Btw I'm not directing the sarcasm towards you, but rather towards the people that just don't understand we want a community that accepts us for who we are! Because they never seem to understand that very simple concept.

That's the community we all want to take part on. One that accepts us for who we are.

You're fine I understand. I don't know who I am though. I am not just saying this either, truly I don't know myself or feel mature... That's how I got so dragged into a hateful world and said awful things... and faking myself to try feel more numb. Although I didn't see it as fake at the time, hating certain people, wanting to be murdered, and worse! I needed community so badly I didn't see how to find one, nothing felt real, nothing still feels real. I seen normal people as the issue. Going to work? Ha! Loser is what I thought and that is just one example. I regret following the wrong community and reading so much hate. I don't know how to do simple shit either like pay a bill, cooking is a difficulty too. I feel like I am not a person. I personally attached myself to awful ideologies. I hate saying I was radicalised...I can see now I was.

 

[Unbearable Mr. Bear]

You're fine I understand. I don't know who I am though. I am not just saying this either, truly I don't know myself or feel mature... That's how I got so dragged into a hateful world and said awful things... and faking myself to try feel more numb. Although I didn't see it as fake at the time, hating certain people, wanting to be murdered, and worse! I needed community so badly I didn't see how to find one, nothing felt real, nothing still feels real. I seen normal people as the issue. Going to work? Ha! Loser is what I thought and that is just one example. I regret following the wrong community and reading so much hate. I don't know how to do simple shit either like pay a bill, cooking is a difficulty too. I feel like I am not a person. I personally attached myself to awful ideologies. I hate saying I was radicalised...I can see now I was.

Don't blame yourself for getting radicalized. It almost happened to me several times. They aim towards people like us who have nothing to live for and they love bomb us to get us to hop on their train. They are the deceiver, we were jut being trustful because we wanted affection.

I know how it feels, it feels awful because you're just going inside some place where you're just a puppet. It hurts to look at it and realize it was bad for us, but it's an important step towards growing and learning. You just went through that step and for that you are stronger than before.

Liars and deceivers will always need someone to control. We don't, because we control our lives.

 

[raindrops]

It's almost like humans like to interact with other humans that don't hurt them! What a concept! Surely this new discovery will shake the very base of our scientific community!

Btw I'm not directing the sarcasm towards you, but rather towards the people that just don't understand we want a community that accepts us for who we are! Because they never seem to understand that very simple concept.

That's the community we all want to take part on. One that accepts us for who we are.

Now as I type this someone is making me out to be something I am not. My whole community I live in acts strange. It's like they've been paid off to believe the worst and not see my point of view when it comes to "radicalisation" I have decided to let them see me as whatever they want. Whatever to it, I know I am not a bad person I simply got dragged into terrible beliefs. I said awful things, I tried to please anyone and everyone. I think they're going to make stuff up amongst eachother. My mother's grave is close to me, I think tomorrow I'll get flowers and see about decorating her grave. You know they even try rub it in my face over the fact they still have their mother and mine is dead, well I accept death so that doesn't hurt me, everyone dies eventually. Being closer to God has made me see that hate has no space in my heart. Let them think what they want, I know how I was coping, I know how ill my mind was made by reading into hideous shit.

 

[Unbearable Mr. Bear]

Now as I type this someone is making me out to be something I am not. My whole community I live in acts strange. It's like they've been paid off to believe the worst and not see my point of view when it comes to "radicalisation" I have decided to let them see me as whatever they want. Whatever to it, I know I am not a bad person I simply got dragged into terrible beliefs. I said awful things, I tried to please anyone and everyone. I think they're going to make stuff up amongst eachother. My mother's grave is close to me, I think tomorrow I'll get flowers and see about decorating her grave. You know they even try rub it in my face over the fact they still have their mother and mine is dead, well I accept death so that doesn't hurt me, everyone dies eventually. Being closer to God has made me see that hate has no space in my heart. Let them think what they want, I know how I was coping, I know how ill my mind was made by reading into hideous shit.

Wow...your IRL community is really toxic and harmful to you. I understand that IRL communities, specially those around the place you live, are hard to not interact with, and it can be really bad for one's vision of self when so many butt in to say what you are and should feel. I am truly sorry you have to live like this, nobody deserves it. *hugs*

 

[raindrops]

Don't blame yourself for getting radicalized. It almost happened to me several times. They aim towards people like us who have nothing to live for and they love bomb us to get us to hop on their train. They are the deceiver, we were jut being trustful because we wanted affection.

I know how it feels, it feels awful because you're just going inside some place where you're just a puppet. It hurts to look at it and realize it was bad for us, but it's an important step towards growing and learning. You just went through that step and for that you are stronger than before.

Liars and deceivers will always need someone to control. We don't, because we control our lives.

Perhaps you're right. You know it's hard to control your own life when your mind is already unwell, when you have no confidence, no sense of self or identity, no self esteem. Let it be. God is watching, not those who try to play God though. No one understands radicalisation until you step away from the media you were consuming. How only then you see that you were numbing yourself by partaking in what others wanted to hear, it's not who you are, it's what you're led to believe is right when it is so very wrong. I'm glad they want to hate me for something I'm not. I was battling other issues way before my mind got darker.

Wow...your IRL community is really toxic and harmful to you. I understand that IRL communities, specially those around the place you live, are hard to not interact with, and it can be really bad for one's vision of self when so many butt in to say what you are and should feel. I am truly sorry you have to live like this, nobody deserves it. *hugs*

Thank you. It's very strange indeed. They seemingly want me to kill myself. I can understand if I had attempted worse but I have used only my fake words to numb myself and follow suit. I did not seek to harm. I lived in a virtual world. They see what I have said as some reality. When I am clearly mentally unwell. I have been for a long time, drugs only pushed it along. This community I live in wants to see me deteriorate. When I do not think highly of myself to begin with.