I am a sick person I deserve to die

[iwannadie]

I just want to die if anyone can help please pm me

I have no friends or relationships no one would miss me

 

[VoidDesirer22]

There should be a way to be away from children and not use CP (but still have some internet access, though) without being in prison. Prison is horrible. Think of a different solution than prison, please

A hikikomori only has the internet as their entire life. It isn't limited to only some internet access.
Doesn't that seem very likely to divulge into cp for a pedophile?
The archetypical image of a hikikomori is trash and masturbation tissues strewn around their room.

I am not imagining only prison as a solution. I was just saying that it would be more likely than a hikikomori lifestyle to avoid all harmful reprucussions.

I think a solution is trying to live a normal life in hobbies or whatever, and accepting that sexual aspects of life could be strictly off limits. Pretending to be asexual perhaps. A monk celebacy thing.
Minimizing the importance of sexual gratification but not becoming a social recluse. Seems possible.
But that requires coming to terms with the monster society views pedophiles as, even if they haven't harmed any kid ever.

It's definitely a perversion, pedos are attracted the same to grown people not just kids. You could make a point that some are more prone due to whatever. Anyway, you are smart and I like exchanging opinions with you, don't take it the wrong way.

Sorry I just mean in general I am really tired with how concrete everyone's opinions are. Even my own at times.

It really is something wrong with the world that we struggle to openly change our minds even when presented with actual scientific evidence. Mainly because we grow familiar with our opinion of something for so long that changing seems unknown and uncomfortable.

I cannot even remember the last time I have been talking to someone online and just seen them reply "oh yeah, didn't think of that. I agree." (Or a comment to that effect).

Could be for a few reasons.

A) I am terribly unpersuasive.

B) There is something about human psychology that makes it very difficult to change their opinions in real-time, and they will reject information that opposes their preconceptions about a topic.

C) There is something about human psychology that makes it very difficult to change their opinions in real-time, but they are capable of changing their opinion once the information is presented from a particular trusted source, or after a longer period of time to accommodate the new information.


It is most likely a balance of all 3. And some other factors sprinkled in.
It is just another thing that makes me want to relinquish having a brain and being a human.

I take great offense to this as someone who is part of the lgbt community.

Suggesting someone's fetish is somehow like my sexual orientation is very upsetting, and I get mad when people say that their fetishes, including bdsm, are somehow the same as my sexual orientation. It's not. Don't compare the two. It's really that simple.

OP ought to get help. There are professionals who specialize in treating people like him. Chemical castration is still a possibility, although some of those people have been known to still prey on children afterwards, so that seems to suggest to me it's not entirely sexual. There is a predator element there, similar to how a rapist will rape someone because they want to feel the power and control.

Was the op sexually abused as a child? They don't say, that would explain a lot. They are traumatized, and now want to live out their trauma by hurting other kids, or something like that. A realization like that with a therapist and working through the trauma could be possible. But then here I am on SS saying that my trauma is more than I can handle, and I want to ctb, so I definitely understand the op wanting to die, if they can't live with themselves.

Paedophilia is a 'sexual orientation' like being straight or gay, expert claims

A paedophile has the 'same ingrained attraction that a heterosexual female may feel towards a male', psychologist says

www.google.com

---> at least some forsenic psychologists would argue it is such.

'Pedophilia and Sexual Age Orientation
Seto13 provides a third strategy in favor of the idea that pedophilia is an orientation. He argues that in the same way that homosexuality can be defined as a sexual orientation for gender, pedophilia can be defined as a sexual orientation for age. In Seto's article, sexual orientation is defined as "a stable tendency to preferentially orient – in terms of attention, interest, attraction, and genital arousal - to particular classes of sexual stimuli" (Ref. 13, p 3). Some ideas presented in Seto's paper have been debated14 and clarified,15 and Seto has acknowledged that, although longer term studies have not been done, "Gender and age orientations may operate differently from each other…" (Ref. 15, p 2176). Arguably, the contention that the paraphilia pedophilia is like the orientation homosexuality confuses sexual interest (pedophilia) with affection (orientation). (See below.)'

^^^ but as you can see there is debate about terming used. But then we are in the weeds with definitions and if they are consistent across research papers.

Just because pedophilia is off-putting to society due to its latent potential for harm against the most innocent members of society, doesn't mean that it is simply a fetish.
There are people born as pedophiles believe it or not. Obviously they do not realize this until they go through puberty, but it is true.

Did you even read my comment?!
I just compared the term "sexual orientation" to pedophilia, not the characteristic of it to the LGBTQIA+ community. Honestly...
I am welcome to offense taken(as is your right), but not if it's due to blatantly misreading what I wrote.
I can tell you read "LQBTQIA+" brought up and skimmed the rest. At that point you were already ready to be offended.

Do better.

I just want to die if anyone can help please pm me

I have no friends or relationships no one would miss me

I pm'ed you if you have questions.

 

[Cathy Ames]

A hikikomori only has the internet as their entire life. It isn't limited to only some internet access.
Doesn't that seem very likely to divulge into cp for a pedophile?
The archetypical image of a hikikomori is trash and masturbation tissues strewn around their room.

Oh, I should have googled that. I had a different impression of what it meant.

 

[Red Scare]

A hikikomori only has the internet as their entire life. It isn't limited to only some internet access.
Doesn't that seem very likely to divulge into cp for a pedophile?
The archetypical image of a hikikomori is trash and masturbation tissues strewn around their room.

I am not imagining only prison as a solution. I was just saying that it would be more likely than a hikikomori lifestyle to avoid all harmful reprucussions.

I think a solution is trying to live a normal life in hobbies or whatever, and accepting that sexual aspects of life could be strictly off limits. Pretending to be asexual perhaps. A monk celebacy thing.
Minimizing the importance of sexual gratification but not becoming a social recluse. Seems possible.
But that requires coming to terms with the monster society views pedophiles as, even if they haven't harmed any kid ever.

Sorry I just mean in general I am really tired with how concrete everyone's opinions are. Even my own at times.

It really is something wrong with the world that we struggle to openly change our minds even when presented with actual scientific evidence. Mainly because we grow familiar with our opinion of something for so long that changing seems unknown and uncomfortable.

I cannot even remember the last time I have been talking to someone online and just seen them reply "oh yeah, didn't think of that. I agree." (Or a comment to that effect).

Could be for a few reasons.

A) I am terribly unpersuasive.

B) There is something about human psychology that makes it very difficult to change their opinions in real-time, and they will reject information that opposes their preconceptions about a topic.

C) There is something about human psychology that makes it very difficult to change their opinions in real-time, but they are capable of changing their opinion once the information is presented from a particular trusted source, or after a longer period of time to accommodate the new information.


It is most likely a balance of all 3. And some other factors sprinkled in.
It is just another thing that makes me want to relinquish having a brain and being a human.

Paedophilia is a 'sexual orientation' like being straight or gay, expert claims

A paedophile has the 'same ingrained attraction that a heterosexual female may feel towards a male', psychologist says

www.google.com

---> at least some forsenic psychologists would argue it is such.

'Pedophilia and Sexual Age Orientation
Seto13 provides a third strategy in favor of the idea that pedophilia is an orientation. He argues that in the same way that homosexuality can be defined as a sexual orientation for gender, pedophilia can be defined as a sexual orientation for age. In Seto's article, sexual orientation is defined as "a stable tendency to preferentially orient – in terms of attention, interest, attraction, and genital arousal - to particular classes of sexual stimuli" (Ref. 13, p 3). Some ideas presented in Seto's paper have been debated14 and clarified,15 and Seto has acknowledged that, although longer term studies have not been done, "Gender and age orientations may operate differently from each other…" (Ref. 15, p 2176). Arguably, the contention that the paraphilia pedophilia is like the orientation homosexuality confuses sexual interest (pedophilia) with affection (orientation). (See below.)'

^^^ but as you can see there is debate about terming used. But then we are in the weeds with definitions and if they are consistent across research papers.

Just because pedophilia is off-putting to society due to its latent potential for harm against the most innocent members of society, doesn't mean that it is simply a fetish.
There are people born as pedophiles believe it or not. Obviously they do not realize this until they go through puberty, but it is true.

Did you even read my comment?!
I just compared the term "sexual orientation" to pedophilia, not the characteristic of it to the LGBTQIA+ community. Honestly...
I am welcome to offense taken(as is your right), but not if it's due to blatantly misreading what I wrote.
I can tell you read "LQBTQIA+" brought up and skimmed the rest. At that point you were already ready to be offended.

Do better.

I pm'ed you if you have questions.

Do better? How about fuck off.

No, I was offended when you compared my sexual orientation to fucking pedophilia... being gay or bi is not the same thing as being into an adult dressing like a baby and wanting to be treated as such.... it's not the same thing as wanting a dominatrix to stomp on your balls.... and it's not the same as desiring children. You need to do better.

I don't give a damn about what some forensic psychologist says, psychology often does not meet the five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability. That alone is reason to be highly skeptical of these types of hypotheses or studies (with limited sample size and no replication of results).

Nobody is born a pedophile. That is absolutely ridiculous. Nobody is born with any fetish or sexual orientation. Scientists cannot identify a single cause of sexual orientation and none can explain everyone's sexuality. This is because it seems that something as complex and varied as sexual orientation doesn't have a sole determinant. It is likely to be multi-causal, including to some degree (even if minor) cultural factors, such as social mores and expectations. I'd expect it to be the same with fetishes, but a fetish is not a sexual orientation, and I regard pedophilia as a perverted fetish.

I don't know what I'd be more offended by, comparing homosexuality to pedophilia as a sexual orientation, or suggesting that homosexuality is no different than a fetish (like pedophilia, or bdsm.)

If sexual orientation was only explainable in biological terms we would expect it to appear in the same proportions, and in similar forms, in all cultures and all epochs. But far from being cross-culturally uniform and stable, both the incidence and specific expressions of same-sex desire vary vastly between different societies. This variation gives credibility to the role of environmental factors.

 

[Al_stargate]

If sexual orientation was only explainable in biological terms we would expect it to appear in the same proportions, and in similar forms, in all cultures and all epochs. But far from being cross-culturally uniform and stable, both the incidence and specific expressions of same-sex desire vary vastly between different societies. This variation gives credibility to the role of environmental factors.

There are gays in every culture, what percentage is hard to tell due to stigma in certain countries. This talk I believe gives good explanation on reasons of being gay.

 

[Niko66]

Gosh reading this thread, in this corner of the internet that is so far off the norm, OP hopeless about his situation and expressing he wants to die before he'd commit any harm and people still come to bash on pedos... The lack of empathy is heartbreaking. I can't imagine a more lonely and alienating existence than having this fixation and keeping a good conscience, I am sorry OP.

You are a good person for fighting the urges you know are harmful and you are very brave to have shared this, I hope you find peace eventually. You are no less person, you just got dealt a bad hand.

 

[Foresight]

Nobody is born a pedophile. That is absolutely ridiculous. Nobody is born with any fetish or sexual orientation. Scientists cannot identify a single cause of sexual orientation and none can explain everyone's sexuality. This is because it seems that something as complex and varied as sexual orientation doesn't have a sole determinant. It is likely to be multi-causal, including to some degree (even if minor) cultural factors, such as social mores and expectations. I'd expect it to be the same with fetishes, but a fetish is not a sexual orientation, and I regard pedophilia as a perverted fetish.

Even if every case doesn't have a sole determinant doesn't mean biology is irrelevant. It's pretty crazy in 2022 to claim it's all nurture.

I don't think we know right now if pedophiles are exclusively born or made. Anyone who fervently argues either way is going off their own personal bias.

 

[VoidDesirer22]

Do better? How about fuck off.

No, I was offended when you compared my sexual orientation to fucking pedophilia... being gay or bi is not the same thing as being into an adult dressing like a baby and wanting to be treated as such.... it's not the same thing as wanting a dominatrix to stomp on your balls.... and it's not the same as desiring children. You need to do better.

I don't give a damn about what some forensic psychologist says, psychology often does not meet the five basic requirements for a field to be considered scientifically rigorous: clearly defined terminology, quantifiability, highly controlled experimental conditions, reproducibility and, finally, predictability and testability. That alone is reason to be highly skeptical of these types of hypotheses or studies (with limited sample size and no replication of results).

Nobody is born a pedophile. That is absolutely ridiculous. Nobody is born with any fetish or sexual orientation. Scientists cannot identify a single cause of sexual orientation and none can explain everyone's sexuality. This is because it seems that something as complex and varied as sexual orientation doesn't have a sole determinant. It is likely to be multi-causal, including to some degree (even if minor) cultural factors, such as social mores and expectations. I'd expect it to be the same with fetishes, but a fetish is not a sexual orientation, and I regard pedophilia as a perverted fetish.

I don't know what I'd be more offended by, comparing homosexuality to pedophilia as a sexual orientation, or suggesting that homosexuality is no different than a fetish (like pedophilia, or bdsm.)

If sexual orientation was only explainable in biological terms we would expect it to appear in the same proportions, and in similar forms, in all cultures and all epochs. But far from being cross-culturally uniform and stable, both the incidence and specific expressions of same-sex desire vary vastly between different societies. This variation gives credibility to the role of environmental factors.

This feels like Twitter leaking into SS.
Now you're annoyed I said "do better" so you're doubling down on strawmanning what I said.

So weird that you group pedophilia and Bdsm. I actually am questioning how that is logically possible in your world.

Even if every case doesn't have a sole determinant doesn't mean biology is irrelevant. It's pretty crazy in 2022 to claim it's all nurture.

I don't think we know right now if pedophiles are exclusively born or made. Anyone who fervently argues either way is going off their own personal bias.

Yes, great to see some sense. It is a balance of both. Thank you.

Gosh reading this thread, in this corner of the internet that is so far off the norm, OP hopeless about his situation and expressing he wants to die before he'd commit any harm and people still come to bash on pedos... The lack of empathy is heartbreaking. I can't imagine a more lonely and alienating existence than having this fixation and keeping a good conscience, I am sorry OP.

You are a good person for fighting the urges you know are harmful and you are very brave to have shared this, I hope you find peace eventually. You are no less person, you just got dealt a bad hand.

What bashing are you referring to?

 

[Red Scare]

This feels like Twitter leaking into SS.

You did that the moment you introduced that stupid ass cliche to begin with "do better". FFS.

I was "annoyed" when you compared being gay to having a fetish.

So weird that you group pedophilia and Bdsm. I actually am questioning how that is logically possible in your world.

Because they are both fetishes. Because I think they are both pretty sick. So is wanting to dress like a baby. These are things grown ass adults do though, and it's weird. Much weirder than being gay. I think it's sick.

There is nothing sick about being gay, there has never been any evidence to the idea that it is a mental illness, it was removed from the DSM for that reason.

Wanting to be abused, debased, humiliated, or to do these things to other people, and deriving sexual gratification from the act, is disgusting.

 

[VoidDesirer22]

You did that the moment you introduced that stupid ass cliche to begin with "do better". FFS.

I was "annoyed" when you compared being gay to having a fetish.



Because they are both fetishes. Because I think they are both pretty sick. So is wanting to dress like a baby. These are things grown ass adults do though, and it's weird. Much weirder than being gay. I think it's sick.

There is nothing sick about being gay, there has never been any evidence to the idea that it is a mental illness, it was removed from the DSM for that reason.

Wanting to be abused, debased, humiliated, or to do these things to other people, and deriving sexual gratification from the act, is disgusting.

Okay, well saying do better was a mistake. I apologize.

But you frustrated me a bit by misinterpreting what I said and using it against me.

You can have your views on BDSM, but I personally think kinks can be healthy as long as they are not harming anyone and IMPORTANTLY there is informed consent involved.

Pedophilia cannot have consent by definition due to targeting children.

I will go on record to say that I support the LGBTQIA+ movement and do not think it is a fetish or kink.

 

[Life_and_Death]

@iwannadie another option could be medication to get rid of your sex drive

 

[Niko66]

What bashing are you referring to?

I don't want to stir up drama picking out messages and people. Some of the suggestions here are a tad outrageous and cruel and the whole discussion on what's the cause of pedophilia is out of place and completely tasteless being brought with someone suffering because of it right here, though I appreciate nonetheless that you bring up reasonable takes in response.

I guess you know if I am feeling like shit about some condition I have. I wouldn't want people discussing whether it's my fault, how condemnable I am or reading how someone is outraged to even be compared to me. ^ ok that's one user I don't care to call out, their later comment riled me up to be honest.

You can read in between lines and in the phrasing, I've always been too sensitive to words so maybe I am making a big deal, I just think here we have someone who obviously needs support and isn't harming anyone. Discussing his condition can take place elsewhere unless one wants to constructively engage with the OP about it.

I don't know how anyone can read someone convinced of how much they deserve to die and start an argument about how the condition that person has is sick and condemnable on itself knowing the OP is struggling and suffering so much with it.

If I find something here sick it's that. Condemning consented fetishes such as BDSM because they are taking pleasure in "suffering" yet happy to highjack a thread and say whatever hurtful shit they want without a thought of how they will make OP feel.

 

[VoidDesirer22]

I don't want to stir up drama picking out messages and people. Some of the suggestions here are a tad outrageous and cruel and the whole discussion on what's the cause of pedophilia is out of place and completely tasteless being brought with someone suffering because of it right here, though I appreciate nonetheless that you bring up reasonable takes in response.

I guess you know if I am feeling like shit about some condition I have. I wouldn't want people discussing whether it's my fault, how condemnable I am or reading how someone is outraged to even be compared to me. ^ ok that's one user I don't care to call out, their later comment riled me up to be honest.

You can read in between lines and in the phrasing, I've always been too sensitive to words so maybe I am making a big deal, I just think here we have someone who obviously needs support and isn't harming anyone. Discussing his condition can take place elsewhere unless one wants to constructively engage with the OP about it.

I don't know how anyone can read someone convinced of how much they deserve to die and start an argument about how the condition that person has is sick and condemnable on itself knowing the OP is struggling and suffering so much with it.

If I find something here sick it's that. Condemning consented fetishes such as BDSM because they are taking pleasure in "suffering" yet happy to highjack a thread and say whatever hurtful shit they want without a thought of how they will make OP feel.

I am sorry for any part I played in making you uncomfortable.

I empathize with OP a lot, as I feel I was also doomed from the start with how my brain functions in some ways, and believe stating that pedophilia is mostly inherited, (and justifying the statements) would be comforting to them.

But you are probably on the mark that disecting it is not what OP wants.

The last thing I will add to this thread:
@iwantodie you can ask questions about ctb if you have decided that is what you want to do.

Most of us do not judge you as you have done nothing wrong just by being born who you are. It was not your fault.

 

[Red Scare]

how condemnable I am or reading how someone is outraged to even be compared to me.

You fundamentally misunderstand what I was and am objecting to.

It has nothing to do with OP personally.

Being gay is not a fetish. It's a sexual orientation. Fetishes aren't sexual orientations. Comparing the two only contributes to homophobia and the spread of the idea that being gay is somehow a lifestyle choice, a fetish, a mere kink. This is offensive to many gay people.

Condemning consented fetishes such as BDSM because they are taking pleasure in "suffering" yet happy to highjack a thread and say whatever hurtful shit they want without a thought of how they will make OP feel.

Well, gay people are here too. They are reading this thread, and someone suggesting that pedophilia is a sexual orientation should be offensive to a lot of gay people reading that. It's not a sexual orientation, and neither is being into bdsm. It's not the same. People with fetishes have not been through what gay people go through (which is borne of homophobia, bigotry, and discrimination). Honestly, there are times when a person should feel shame, if what gets you off is shameful and shocking, then yes, shame is a healthy reaction. I don't want to teach little kids it's normal to want to be abused, debased, or humiliated, or to want to do that to anyone else.

There is nothing shameful about being gay. Comparing being gay to something one ought to be ashamed of, like having a thing for children, or wanting to dress like an adult baby, is very offensive to a lot of gay people to say the least. I don't speak for all gay people of course, but I was sure offended by it.

The OP knows all of this. If they are reading, I would say that I am not unsympathetic. As long as they know that what they feel is wrong, and they don't act on it, they're good. If they want help, there are ways to get help. There are plenty of professionals that specialize in helping people like this. I can understand the urge to want to ctb though. I don't even like kids (can't stand to be around them honestly), and I want to ctb.

 

[TheWood]

I congratulate you for the courage in admitting a thing like that. The fact that you at least admitted it and are ashamed of it, it's a start. Certainly you must get help, both for your safety and that of children who are innocent beings and who deserve protection. May I ask you why you have this kind of tendency? In the sense, is it the consequence of something that happened to you?

 

[iwannadie]

Bunch of armchair psychologists we have here. You literally have no clue, do you?

I just want to die is that too much to ask?

 

[GentleJerk]

Responses to the OP have been rather fair and balanced imo. People have been quite understanding and sympathetic towards him/her considering the topic. At any rate I haven't seen anything resembling "pedo bashing" here.

I wasn't aware that the archetypal image of a hikikomori is trash and masturbation tissues. I was under the impression it's mainly characterized by a withdrawal from society.

As for the suggestion that isolation might encourage him to consume CP, I disagree. If someone does that, then it is clear that they have feelings strong enough to act on, and non-sensical to suggest that isolation would be a main contributing factor. People think you can jump straight on the dark web and find links to CP there ready to click on, I've browsed the dark web before and luckily that's not the case. Finding it would take a considerable amount of effort and intention, as well as a huge amount of planning and preparation not to get busted. If someone has the ability to do that, then I believe they are not safe around children, period. Too much free time and access to the internet woud not be the reason for that happening.

No internet access? I wasn't suggesting that or anything like prison for the OP, but If a situation could reasonably be seen as requiring that, in order to prevent engaging in harm to children, then sure why not. It would have to be enforced by someone though, my suggestion of adopting a hermit lifestyle would be voluntary. Some people are in prison for shoplifting because they had no food, if we allow that then I don't see it as any less fair.

A focus on rehabilitation if possible is essential, but the OP clearly states that he believes there is no help for him and I'm compelled to believe those words. The scenario I'm pointing to as a possible alternative to suicide, is simply a solitary lifestyle in a safe and controlled environment. One where he might be able to live without any possibility of harm occurring to himself or others.

For me personally, first and foremost, it's about not preying on kids in any way, and removing every single factor that makes it a possibility. This takes priority over everything, as the safety and protection of children is of the utmost importance.

I do feel sorry for the OP and it must be difficult, but this is extremely serious to me.

Again, I'm not speaking on behalf of anyone but myself.

Bunch of armchair psychologists we have here. You literally have no clue, do you?

No, probably not. And armchair psychology is what a lot of us do here, but the intentions are usually pretty good.

I just want to die is that too much to ask?

No, I understand wanting to die on your own terms because I do too. For different reasons of course.

I'm sorry you feel that way, it sounds awful. Oh, and people here are just trying to help.

 

[Ethereal Knight]

I've heard that some minor-attracted-people have had had some success and felt relief by using testosterone-suppressing drugs (antiandrogens).

I'd just go to the doctor and ask for these drugs.
some of them can even be bought without prescription.
they really seem to work.

"Antiandrogens are the name given to a diverse group of medicines that counteract the effects of the male sex hormones, testosterone and dihydrotestosterone."

"Antiandrogens, also known as androgen antagonists or testosterone blockers, are a class of drugs that prevent androgens like testosterone and dihydrotestosterone (DHT) from mediating their biological effects in the body. They act by blocking the androgen receptor (AR) and/or inhibiting or suppressing androgen production."

"(...)In men, antiandrogens are used in the treatment of prostate cancer, enlarged prostate, scalp hair loss, overly high sex drive, unusual and problematic sexual urges, and early puberty."

"There are a few different major types of antiandrogens.[6]​ These include AR antagonists, androgen synthesis inhibitors, and antigonadotropins.[6]​ AR antagonists work by directly blocking the effects of androgens, while androgen synthesis inhibitors and antigonadotropins work by lowering androgen levels."

there are so many drugs that do this. a good well-trained doctor will know which is one is the best for you case.

I've met trans women before, they use similar drugs (although in different doses and different combinations of drugs to achieve a completely different goal) and quite honestly, their penis doesn't even get erect. it doesn't even move. it stays completely flabby. I've seen it. and if you talk to them they'll tell you that they don't have the same libido or the same sexual thoughts as they had before starting their hormonal treatment. so these drugs are super super strong! they are incredibly potent and will do the job!

"Sexual deviance: Androgens increase sex drive, and for this reason, antiandrogens are able to reduce sex drive in men. In accordance, antiandrogens are used in the treatment of conditions of sexual deviance such as hypersexuality (excessively high sex drive) and paraphilias (atypical and sometimes societally unacceptable sexual interests) like pedophilia (sexual attraction to children). They have been used to decrease sex drive in sex offenders so as to reduce the likelihood of recidivism (repeat offenses).[59]​ Antiandrogens used for these indications include cyproterone acetate, medroxyprogesterone acetate, and GnRH modulators.

The antiandrogen cyproterone acetate has been shown to substantially reduce sexual fantasies and offending behaviors. Medroxyprogesterone acetate and gonadotropin-releasing hormone agonists (such as leuprorelin) have also been used to lower sex drive. Due to the side effects, the World Federation of Societies of Biological Psychiatry recommends that hormonal treatments only be used when there is a serious risk of sexual violence, or when other methods have failed(...)"​

there are other options: "Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) are used, especially with exhibitionists, non-offending pedophiles, and compulsive masturbators. They are proposed to work by reducing sexual arousal, compulsivity, and depressive symptoms. They have been well received and are considered an important pharmacological treatment of paraphilia."​​

Paraphilia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Antiandrogen - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Pedophilic disorder is characterized by recurring, intense sexually arousing fantasies, urges, or behavior involving children (usually 13 years old or younger).

• Pedophiles may be attracted to young boys, young girls, or both, and they may be attracted only to children or to children and adults.
• Doctors diagnose pedophilia when people feel greatly distressed or become less able to function well because of their attraction to children or when they have acted on their urges.
• Treatment involves long-term psychotherapy and drugs that alter the sex drive and reduce testosterone levels.

Pedophilia

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Treatment, Not Judgment, for the Non-Offending Pedophiles - TMHR

The subject of pedophiles evokes strong emotions in people. How should pedophilia be categorized and treated by mental health professionals?

trauma.blog.yorku.ca

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"Pedophillia treatment: ​

Cognitive Behavior Therapy and Pharmacotherapy

Treatment Summary: Treatment for pedophilia usually focuses on decreasing inappropriate sexual urges and increasing one's ability to resist those urges when they occur. The primary treatments for pedophilia include Cognitive Behavior Therapy, pharmacotherapy (drugs that suppress sexual appetite), or a combination of the two. Cognitive Behavior Therapy (CBT) attempts to influence cognitive processes before a sexually deviant behavior occurs. Relapse prevention and aversion conditioning are two common approaches used in CBT. Relapse prevention involves helping the offender recognize high-risk situations in which he is likely to feel or act on inappropriate sexual urges and avoid those situations. Aversion conditioning consists of pairing a deviant sexual urge with something unpleasant such as a foul odor so that the offender associates the deviant behavior with something bad. This is followed by the pairing of appropriate sexual stimuli and something pleasant to reinforce the desired association (Marshall, 2006). Two well-developed models for therapy are the Risk/Needs Responsivity Model and the Good Lives Model. The Risk/Needs Responsivity Model evaluates the subject in terms of the risk he poses to others, and treatment is personalized to best facilitate change. The Good Lives Model is a strength-based initiative that focuses on promoting goods while reducing risk. The approach builds on personal strengths and respect for the individual to help offenders to self-actualize thus reducing their desire to harm others (Ward, Mann, & Gannon, 2007). Pharmacotherapy focuses on reducing the sex drive by lowering testosterone levels which decreases the frequency and intensity of deviant sexual urges. These drugs include medroxyprogesterone acetate (MPA), cyproterone acetate (CPA), luteinizing hormone-releasing hormone (LHRH), and leuprolide acetate (LA). Many researchers agree that the best result is achieved when CBT and pharmacotherapy are used concurrently (Schober et al., 2005). Hormone therapy modifies the sex drive while CBT influences cognitive processes resulting in a new, healthier belief system and decreased deviant sexual desire.

Antiandrogenic therapy, or chemical castration

Treatment Summary: The intracellular androgen receptors regulate testosterone. Testosterone regulates sexuality and aggression and maintains male sexual characteristics. Although it has not been proven that pedophiles have abnormally high testosterone concentrations, antiandrogenic therapy is thought to reduce a pedophiles sexual urges. Antiandrogen drug therapy basically suppresses androgen action at the levels of the receptor, so testosterone production is greatly reduced. Antiandrogen drugs include Cyproterone Acetate (CPA) and Medroxyprogesterone Acetate (MPA). Hypoandronism eventually stumps male sexuality, sexual fantasist, and desire. This mode of therapy has proven to be highly effective.

• Reference: R�sler, A., & Eliezer Witztum, A. (2000). Pharmacotherapy of paraphilias in the next millennium. Behavioral Sciences & the Law, 18(1), 43-56. Retrieved from Academic Search Complete database.
• Submitter: Ashley Dawn Sheppard

Cognitive Behavior Therapy
Treatment Summary: The best treatment for pedophilia is on-going cognitive behavior therapy, although one type of treatment does not necessarily help all offenders; there are different levels of pedophiles and what works for one pedophile may not be helpful for another. Cognitive behavior therapy is a process that includes assessments with a few different models which may all apply to many pedophiles or only one may apply to a pedophile. The models include the risk/needs model, which pertains to the higher the risk the more intensive treatment is needed. The next model is the good lives model which includes developing life skills such as social skills, positive attitudes, and raising self-esteem to attain a happy life. The last model is combining treatment models, emphasizing all models to help develop a well rounded individual who is in control of their life and will not re-offend. Success of the models includes many information building techniques, starting with a life history so the therapist may better understand the client in identifying mental, emotional, and behavioral issues of the past and present.

• Reference: Marshall, W., Marshall, L., & Serran, G (2006). Strategies in the Treatment of Paraphilias: A Critical Review. Annual Review of Sex Research, 17162.
• Submitter: Cheryl L. Caldwell

Cognitive behavioral therapy and Medication
Treatment Summary: Cognitive behavioral therapy focuses on getting the individual to see there is a problem and help change their thought process dealing with the behavior. They can go through empathy training and classes to help control their urges. Anti-androgen drugs are the only way to control the urges an individual has. These drugs lower the male hormones causing a decrease in sexual desires, activities, and fantasies. Some researchers believe that cognitive behavioral therapy is too "one size fits all" approach. There should be flexibility in the therapy approach and the therapist should be able to adjust according to the individual. Incorporating therapy and medication is the best approach.

• Reference: Marshall, W. L., Marshall, L. E., & Serran, G. A. (2006). Strategies in the Treatment of Paraphilias: A Critical Review. Annual Review of Sex Research, 17162-182. Retrieved from EBSCOhost.Pedophilia. (Cover story). (2004). Harvard Mental Health Letter, 20(7), 1-4. Retrieved from EBSCOhost.Pessimism about pedophilia. (2010). Harvard Mental Health Letter, 27(1), 1-3. Retrieved from EBSCOhost.
• Submitter: Victoria Rutter-Reese

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Doctors in the United States usually use the following drug:

• Medroxyprogesterone acetate, which is injected into a muscle

Medroxyprogesterone (a progestin) is similar to the female hormone progesterone.

An alternative is leuprolide.

Medroxyprogesterone and leuprolide stop the pituitary gland from signaling the testicles to produce testosterone. They thus reduce testosterone levels and the sex drive. Doctors periodically do blood tests to monitor the effects of these drugs on liver function, as well as other tests (including bone density tests and blood tests to measure testosterone levels). It is not clear how useful these drugs are in women who are pedophiles.

Antidepressants called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) may also be helpful. They may help control sexual urges and fantasies. They also decrease the sex drive and may cause erectile dysfunction.

Drug treatment is more effective when it is combined with psychotherapy and training in social skills."

please be patient. don't give up. I really think that your case has hope. I actually think that you're gonna solve it fairly easily, believe it or not, just start to look for a doctor and a therapist and keep looking until you find them. get doctor recommendations or search online. or just go to a doctor you trust and ask for the drugs. they're gonna be empathetic, especially if you explain well your situation and state clearly that you're non-offending and plan to remain non-offending for the rest of your life. they won't mind giving you prescriptions. these drugs are quite safe and there's almost zero risk from ODing on them even if you wanted. you can ask for a prescription and the'll give it to you. finding a good therapist is gonna take a lot more time than getting your antiandrogen drugs, but eventually you'll find a good one.!

you're gonna do it. you're gonna make it. be patient and we're gonna figure it out!

and don't ever let anyone tell you you're alone.
you're not alone!

 

[TheWood]

Bunch of armchair psychologists we have here. You literally have no clue, do you?

I just want to die is that too much to ask?

Asking a question is legitimate, replying is courtesy. No need to be rude, everyone is just trying to give you a hand as they can, nothing more. If you want ctb, you have all the information you need

 

[Pain In The Ass]

I regularly think this about myself. I've been so selfish and caused so much pain, I probably don't deserve to get anything I want from my life, and if that's the case, I'd rather not be here.

 

[iwannadie]

I'm sorry if my replies are short I don't mean to offend anyone

It is an orientation though, albeit a sick one
Im sorry if this upsets you but it is I have no interest in adults

Also I feel I should add that I was not abused as a kid.

 

[JoeFailure]

You fundamentally misunderstand what I was and am objecting to.

It has nothing to do with OP personally.

Being gay is not a fetish. It's a sexual orientation. Fetishes aren't sexual orientations. Comparing the two only contributes to homophobia and the spread of the idea that being gay is somehow a lifestyle choice, a fetish, a mere kink. This is offensive to many gay people.


Well, gay people are here too. They are reading this thread, and someone suggesting that pedophilia is a sexual orientation should be offensive to a lot of gay people reading that. It's not a sexual orientation, and neither is being into bdsm. It's not the same. People with fetishes have not been through what gay people go through (which is borne of homophobia, bigotry, and discrimination). Honestly, there are times when a person should feel shame, if what gets you off is shameful and shocking, then yes, shame is a healthy reaction. I don't want to teach little kids it's normal to want to be abused, debased, or humiliated, or to want to do that to anyone else.

There is nothing shameful about being gay. Comparing being gay to something one ought to be ashamed of, like having a thing for children, or wanting to dress like an adult baby, is very offensive to a lot of gay people to say the least. I don't speak for all gay people of course, but I was sure offended by it.

The OP knows all of this. If they are reading, I would say that I am not unsympathetic. As long as they know that what they feel is wrong, and they don't act on it, they're good. If they want help, there are ways to get help. There are plenty of professionals that specialize in helping people like this. I can understand the urge to want to ctb though. I don't even like kids (can't stand to be around them honestly), and I want to ctb.

But if you understand that being EITHER heterosexual or homosexual is likely not a choice...I'm not sure how you don't seem to understand that someone with an attraction to kids also probably didn't choose to have that, or attractions that lead to certain fetishes.

I don't think it's shameful to have naturally have attractions that you can't control. It would be very shameful to act on certain ones that would harm other people, obviously in this case, kids.

I historically have not eaten very healthy in my life and for a lot of it I offset it with exercise, sports, etc. A couple of years ago I put on some weight because I went through an extremely depressive spell and stopped doing those things before getting back on track and losing it back off and creating a healthier way to eat. I don't consider it shameful when I get cravings for delicious foods I won't let myself binge on. There's nothing I can do to not desire pizza or chocolate chip cookies, but I can control those things to not let it become destructive.

Before you say food addictions are not the same as pedophilia and fetishes...yes obviously I get that. What I'm getting at is having an attraction, addiction, or whatever it is in it of itself is not a sick or shameful thing because I don't really think you can control those inherent things. In the OP's case, this is a huge battle I'm sure to have this attraction that you can never get a true release from, and that letting themselves do so would be incredibly sick and destructive to an innocent child.

I'm not a religious person but that is a massive cross to bear. If this person is able to control those urges, I don't think there is anything shameful about them, I think that means they are leading a positive life and putting others first.

 

[TheWood]

I'm sorry if my replies are short I don't mean to offend anyone

It is an orientation though, albeit a sick one
Im sorry if this upsets you but it is I have no interest in adults

Also I feel I should add that I was not abused as a kid.

The only things I know about is that yours is a sexual preference dysfunction. There're no studies that say that pedophiles are born like this already. My question didn't want to bother you. I have no idea of the weight you carry on your shoulders and I have no right to judge you. I don't know if you've ever asked for help, but if you believe that there is even just something salvable in your existence, try to do something to limit the problem. But if you just want to ctb, yours is a legitimate desire. Take your time to read the resources, surely you find what fit you

 

[JoeFailure]

The only things I know about is that yours is a sexual preference dysfunction. There're no studies that say that pedophiles are born like this already. My question didn't want to bother you. I have no idea of the weight you carry on your shoulders and I have no right to judge you. I don't know if you've ever asked for help, but if you believe that there is even just something salvable in your existence, try to do something to limit the problem. But if you just want to ctb, yours is a legitimate desire. Take your time to read the resources, surely you find what fit you

What you are saying makes absolutely no sense though. Whether this person was born with it or something else happened that planted the seed for this attraction to bloom...it clearly wasn't by choice. The person is on here saying they want to end their life because of it. If it was some kind of choice or something they could just turn off, I'm sure they would just do that.

You can get help for certain destructive attractions or addictions, but it's entirely possible that it may not eradicate it, that person may have to battle this for the duration of their life. I don't think this person should feel ashamed if they can control their urges...they should feel strong that they are winning a war they never asked for.

 

[Pain In The Ass]

Commit yourself to celibacy. People do this. It can be done. Create a life that is meaningful enough that you wouldn't want to destroy it, which you certainly will if you break your commitment.

 

[TheWood]

What you are saying makes absolutely no sense though. Whether this person was born with it or something else happened that planted the seed for this attraction to bloom...it clearly wasn't by choice. The person is on here saying they want to end their life because of it. If it was some kind of choice or something they could just turn off, I'm sure they would just do that.

You can get help for certain destructive attractions or addictions, but it's entirely possible that it may not eradicate it, that person may have to battle this for the duration of their life. I don't think this person should feel ashamed if they can control their urges...they should feel strong that they are winning a war they never asked for.

Forgive me, how can you say that what I expressed doesn't make sense? To me it seems to have written something of logical sense. This is a pro-choice site and not pro-life or pro-death. The ultimate choice is always up to the person. I know well that you carry a problem of this type with you throughout your life. However, there are ways to keep it at bay and that cannot be denied. If he doesn't feel like carrying this burden, no one is here to tell him what he should or shouldn't do

 

[Foresight]

Commit yourself to celibacy. People do this. It can be done. Create a life that is meaningful enough that you wouldn't want to destroy it, which you certainly will if you break your commitment.

That's all that can be said on the issue here. If you have no attraction to adults then your option is celibacy perhaps with medical intervention.

As for your freedom of choice on suicide, there's information to browse for effective methods and their various pros/cons.

 

[Red Scare]

Whether this person was born with it or something else happened that planted the seed for this attraction to bloom...it clearly wasn't by choice.

Nobody chooses to be a schizophrenic either, or any other mental illness for that matter.

I would say that attraction to children is a serious mental illness. The DSM agrees.

Mental health issues are heavily stigmatized, and this one no less. It can be hard to seek out help, or even admit you have a problem. The op has taken the first steps, admitting it is a problem. Whether or not they want to try and get help, is up to them.

Of course he hasn't provided a lot of information, and I don't blame him for not wanting to divulge all he details of his private life, but it's possible he has already tried and sought out help.

 

[thedaywillcome]

Pedophilia is inborn. Brain is wired different.

 

[Here Today]

If you haven't acted on it you're not a bad person. In fact I'd say you're a good man for refraining to act on impulse and knowing it can harm others. Suicide should always be your last option, try asking for help. Try talking with a psychologist, religion, look for experimental treatments. Hell, anything beats killing yourself. Some cases like yours are actually cases of OCD, believe it or not. Try getting medication for it, exhaust all your options.