Method Guns/firearms megathread

[surewhynot]

The failed gun suicides on livegore have me positively spooked!

 

[leloyon]

The failed gun suicides on livegore have me positively spooked!

Most failed suicides are due to putting the gun underneath the chin or even not shooting the head at all, though weak caliber might also be a factor in some cases. I looked at livegore and I only came across the former (under the chin).

 

[IKnowIt'sOver]

Hi all,

Using a firearm is the method I'm leaning toward at the moment because death will be instantaneous.

My main concern is leaving a corpse with a mutilated face that will traumatize my family. Is there any way of knowing what the face will look like after a shot through the mouth or behind the ear with the smallest effective caliber, say a .357?

Further, is there any data on what the mess will look like? Obviously a shotgun would leave behind a grisly scene, but I'm wondering about using a handgun with a relatively small caliber.

Thanks

 

[leloyon]

Hi all,

Using a firearm is the method I'm leaning toward at the moment because death will be instantaneous.

My main concern is leaving a corpse with a mutilated face that will traumatize my family. Is there any way of knowing what the face will look like after a shot through the mouth or behind the ear with the smallest effective caliber, say a .357?

Further, is there any data on what the mess will look like? Obviously a shotgun would leave behind a grisly scene, but I'm wondering about using a handgun with a relatively small caliber.

Thanks

.357 is hardly a small caliber, I would say 9mm and 38 special are the smallest calibers that would do the trick.
To answer though, the best (but far from the most pleasant way) is to look at gore sites like Livegore and Goresee, where there are actual videos of this sorta thing. Handguns should leave you intact except if you're using a .44 magnum or above. Budd Dwyer shot himself with a .357 magnum and his face was intact.

 

[IKnowIt'sOver]

.357 is hardly a small caliber, I would say 9mm and 38 special are the smallest calibers that would do the trick.
To answer though, the best (but far from the most pleasant way) is to look at gore sites like Livegore and Goresee, where there are actual videos of this sorta thing. Handguns should leave you intact except if you're using a .44 magnum or above. Budd Dwyer shot himself with a .357 magnum and his face was intact.

Thank you, your help is much appreciated.

Literally my first engagement with guns has been this thread, so obviously I know very little about calibers haha

Yes, I guess I will have to do that, though I am not looking forward to it.

 

[ditsyking]

Is 4mm hand gun enough to kill myself if I put it in my mouth upwards? Should I aim for 9mm? 4mm is more realistic for me due to the price....I am really really desperate.


I hoped that this website will save me... I can't anymore and I'm a bit scared of SN and carbon monoxide because of preparation and my high tolerance to all substances...iseem to vomit everything out or am lucky to somehow survive carbon monoxide.are there success stories with 4mm? Please help!

 

[leloyon]

Is 4mm hand gun enough to kill myself if I put it in my mouth upwards? Should I aim for 9mm? 4mm is more realistic for me due to the price....I am really really desperate.


I hoped that this website will save me... I can't anymore and I'm a bit scared of SN and carbon monoxide because of preparation and my high tolerance to all substances...iseem to vomit everything out or am lucky to somehow survive carbon monoxide.are there success stories with 4mm? Please help!

4mm? As in 4mm Flobert? In which case, no, definitely not, Flobert guns are incredibly weak and would likely be comparable to shooting yourself with an air rifle.
I'm assuming you live somewhere in Europe, could you get a black powder guns in your country?

 

[ditsyking]

4mm? As in 4mm Flobert? In which case, no, definitely not, Flobert guns are incredibly weak and would likely be comparable to shooting yourself with an air rifle.
I'm assuming you live somewhere in Europe, could you get a black powder guns in your country?

I assume that I can get it. Why? Higher success rate? Thanks for replying!

 

[leloyon]

I assume that I can get it. Why? Higher success rate? Thanks for replying!

Black powder firearms are chambered in bigger calibers and thus you will have a better chance with them. The OP recommended a .50 black powder pistol. I would recommend that the longer the barrel the better as long as you can still aim it correctly, I've heard that the length of the barrel affects the velocity. You could get a blunderbuss if you want a shotgun, or a black powder revolver if you don't feel confident enough using a literal pirate gun. With revolvers, I've heard that any caliber that starts with a "3" should be avoided, so anything .44 caliber or above is good, and when it comes to barrel length I've heard anything above 4.7" is good. I've heard the best choices are the Remington 1858 New Model Army, Colt 1860 Army or Colt 1851 Navy. Replicas of all of them are made by Pietta or Uberti.

 

[ditsyking]

Black powder firearms are chambered in bigger calibers and thus you will have a better chance with them. The OP recommended a .50 black powder pistol. I would recommend that the longer the barrel the better as long as you can still aim it correctly, I've heard that the length of the barrel affects the velocity. You could get a blunderbuss if you want a shotgun, or a black powder revolver if you don't feel confident enough using a literal pirate gun. With revolvers, I've heard that any caliber that starts with a "3" should be avoided, so anything .44 caliber or above is good, and when it comes to barrel length I've heard anything above 4.7" is good. I've heard the best choices are the Remington 1858 New Model Army, Colt 1860 Army or Colt 1851 Navy. Replicas of all of them are made by Pietta or Uberti.

Thank you!

 

[JustStopThePain]

I am interested in 2 items: 1. Where in the Skull area is most likely to result in a successful CBT?

2. 9mm Glock or will Hollowpoint boost the method?

Thank You for your collaboration and input

 

[leloyon]

I am interested in 2 items: 1. Where in the Skull area is most likely to result in a successful CBT?

2. 9mm Glock or will Hollowpoint boost the method?

Thank You for your collaboration and input

1. Check the first page of this thread. It is believed sticking a gun within one's mouth and aiming slightly upwards at the brainstem/medula oblongata is the way to go, but on the first page there is an exact diagram.
2. 9mm pistol is the bare minimum, preferably something larger. It is recommended that any gun that isn't a shotgun be loaded with JHP (Jacketed Hollow Point) bullets.

 

[avaruus]

How likely is 6.35mm / .25cal air rifle with power of 87 Joules to pierce skull? I know its weak, comparable to .22 short, but thats the most powerful "firearm" i can get in my country

 

[leloyon]

How likely is 6.35mm / .25cal air rifle with power of 87 Joules to pierce skull? I know its weak, comparable to .22 short, but thats the most powerful "firearm" i can get in my country

Probably not. If you can't get a black powder gun, you could try modding the air gun or even convert an air rifle into a zip gun if need be, hypothetically, for that is illegal.
I would not recommend making an illegal firearm (you got that, feds?), but zip guns are often very overlooked. Hell, a slam fire shotgun and a homemade shell would be probably easier to make than any modifications for the air rifle.

 

[Wyldfyre4948]

A gun was actually the first method I considered. Half thought out plan was to go to a gun range and the first chance I got I'd put it to the side of my head. Of course I didn't think about needing a FOID card or any classes beforehand. Then I was in the hospital for a few days so I lost all hope of having a gun for 5 years. I don't know where else to get a gun or even rent a gun and buy a bullet. This is actually very funny being in Illinois so close to Chicago.

 

[leloyon]

A gun was actually the first method I considered. Half thought out plan was to go to a gun range and the first chance I got I'd put it to the side of my head. Of course I didn't think about needing a FOID card or any classes beforehand. Then I was in the hospital for a few days so I lost all hope of having a gun for 5 years. I don't know where else to get a gun or even rent a gun and buy a bullet. This is actually very funny being in Illinois so close to Chicago.

You should still be able to purchase black powder guns.

 

[Wyldfyre4948]

Not in Illinois I guess. From what I just saw I'd need a FOID card for a taser. I could just go to one of the more dangerous neighborhoods at night. Though I suspect I'd be more likely to get robbed instead of shot, or I'd scare the guy off when I start sobbing and asking him to pull the trigger.

 

[leloyon]

Not in Illinois I guess. From what I just saw I'd need a FOID card for a taser. I could just go to one of the more dangerous neighborhoods at night. Though I suspect I'd be more likely to get robbed instead of shot, or I'd scare the guy off when I start sobbing and asking him to pull the trigger.

Huh, I heard that in most states black powder guns are not treated as firearms and could be bought freely. Could you perhaps travel to another state and buy one?

 

[Wyldfyre4948]

Huh, I heard that in most states black powder guns are not treated as firearms and could be bought freely. Could you perhaps travel to another state and buy one?

I don't have a car. Indiana is the closest state, but I doubt I'd be able to get one there. Any background check would show I was in the hospital and would be mentally unstable.

 

[leloyon]

I don't have a car. Indiana is the closest state, but I doubt I'd be able to get one there. Any background check would show I was in the hospital and would be mentally unstable.

Like I said, I don't think most states even see black powder guns as firearms, so you should be fine. I found this in particular while looking around:

Felons and muzzleloaders

Is it legal in the state of Indiana for a felon to own black powder for hunting or self defense?

www.indianagunowners.com

If a felon can still purchase a black powder gun, I am sure someone who stayed in hospital for a few days could, implying they even perform a background check to begin with, considering in most states you can literally just have them shipped to your door.
Also, I am a moron for forgetting this until now, but this video is priceless.

 

[regal20]

How likely is 6.35mm / .25cal air rifle with power of 87 Joules to pierce skull? I know its weak, comparable to .22 short, but thats the most powerful "firearm" i can get in my country

87j? If it really has that much power it will pierce the skull 100% if hit correctly. The problem may be that too small a caliber of weapon will damage the brain but not enough to kill.

 

[leloyon]

87j? If it really has that much power it will pierce the skull 100% if hit correctly. The problem may be that too small a caliber of weapon will damage the brain but not enough to kill.

I googled it and .22 short has 95 joules. A .22LR I looked up a while back and has more than 100 joules. Just because it might be able to, doesn't mean anyone should.

 

[SweptAway]

Hello, that diagram on the first page is now a broken image. Does anybody have the original?

 

[leloyon]

Hello, that diagram on the first page is now a broken image. Does anybody have the original?

There is another diagram also on the first page.

 

[Zaljko]

With a gun like this, I assume not only would death be instantaneous, but the rate of failure would be virtually nonexistent? I've seen youtube videos of this thing just absolutely destroying various items, to the point where almost nothing is left. I have to imagine that if you put this thing next to your temple and pull the trigger that there would be virtually no chance of failure, right? I know this thing has a massive recoil and so on, but as someone pointed out earlier, recoil happens when the bullet has left the chamber; and in this case, by that time, your head would be a bloody mess (assuming that it exists in any capacity at all).

Specifically I'm talking about the S&W .460 (yes I know it's used for big game hunting, thus my belief that it will be successful with essentially 0% chance of failureView attachment S&W460.webp

 

[leloyon]

With a gun like this, I assume not only would death be instantaneous, but the rate of failure would be virtually nonexistent? I've seen youtube videos of this thing just absolutely destroying various items, to the point where almost nothing is left. I have to imagine that if you put this thing next to your temple and pull the trigger that there would be virtually no chance of failure, right? I know this thing has a massive recoil and so on, but as someone pointed out earlier, recoil happens when the bullet has left the chamber; and in this case, by that time, your head would be a bloody mess (assuming that it exists in any capacity at all).

Specifically I'm talking about the S&W .460 (yes I know it's used for big game hunting, thus my belief that it will be successful with essentially 0% chance of failureView attachment 117285

My personal recommendation would be via the mouth aiming towards the ear, hopefully hitting the brainstem (pink circle shown in the diagram on the first page), but I imagine unless someone was royally fucking it up (putting it under their chin and only blowing off their face, for instance) it would be pretty hard to fail.
I would recommend looking for videos of people shooting ballistic gel blocks or even ballistic dummies with it to gauge how well it would actually mess up a living creature.
It would probably cost your left kidney to buy, but someone using it for our purposes likely wouldn't care unless they are broke already.

 

[Zaljko]

My personal recommendation would be via the mouth aiming towards the ear, hopefully hitting the brainstem (pink circle shown in the diagram on the first page), but I imagine unless someone was royally fucking it up (putting it under their chin and only blowing off their face, for instance) it would be pretty hard to fail.
I would recommend looking for videos of people shooting ballistic gel blocks or even ballistic dummies with it to gauge how well it would actually mess up a living creature.
It would probably cost your left kidney to buy, but someone using it for our purposes likely wouldn't care unless they are broke already.

Thank you. I will look into that.

I had read somewhere at one point in time that the best way was to put the gun in your mouth and place the gun directly next to the soft palate towards the roof of your mouth. Supposedly that would ensure the brain stem were hit. However, in looking at the diagram, it's rather different than where I imagined it to be - so I appreciate the suggestion and will attempt to modify my approach.

I suppose when I actually purchase the gun, I'll have to ask the salesman which type of caliber is best for "close range" ... I'll probably use the "home defense" justification as to why I am looking for that... my understanding is that the .460 rounds themselves would probably be best - although I guess there are other options (.454 Casull; .44 magnum, etc) that can also be used...

 

[lifeisbutadream]

The failed gun suicides on livegore have me positively spooked!

Have you seen any shotgun in mouth failures? It is hard for me to imagine how that can fail, especially with a 12 gauge shotgun.

 

[leloyon]

Thank you. I will look into that.

I had read somewhere at one point in time that the best way was to put the gun in your mouth and place the gun directly next to the soft palate towards the roof of your mouth. Supposedly that would ensure the brain stem were hit. However, in looking at the diagram, it's rather different than where I imagined it to be - so I appreciate the suggestion and will attempt to modify my approach.

I suppose when I actually purchase the gun, I'll have to ask the salesman which type of caliber is best for "close range" ... I'll probably use the "home defense" justification as to why I am looking for that... my understanding is that the .460 rounds themselves would probably be best - although I guess there are other options (.454 Casull; .44 magnum, etc) that can also be used...

Nah, I think any gun shop owner would advise against using such a gun for home defence. It would likely go through walls which could damage your home or kill loved ones behind said walls and its recoil would make shooting more than one intruder difficult. It would be best to just claim you're buying it for the novelty/fun factor. I doubt you'll be too suspicious since I feel like gun sellers are looking out for mass shooters more than anything and this doesn't really seem like an efficient gun for that task. If you're really worried about them questioning your motives, you could say it's for defending yourself from bears while hiking or camping.

Have you seen any shotgun in mouth failures? It is hard for me to imagine how that can fail, especially with a 12 gauge shotgun.

Some. Pretty much due to people sticking it underneath the chin, it sometimes just results in them blowing their face off without damaging the right parts of the brain or even damaging the brain at all. Probably also combined with people getting them medical attention quickly, so they didn't even bleed to death, but that's just a theory I consider plausible. Underpowered rounds also could be a factor, birdshot would work if aimed right but combined with the aforementioned aiming style I imagine it wouldn't help matters, buckshot (preferably 00) and slugs are best.
For reference, a slug is one huge hunk of lead in case you need to be accurate and precise, buckshot is a couple of relatively large lead balls (depending on the size of the buckshot) designed for hunting large animals, and birdshot is a bunch of BBs that's used to take out birds and smaller animals. Birdshot is advised against due to the fact that even though it's a shotgun, the projectiles are tiny and thus aren't going to be too effective at anything bigger than the animals they're named after.

 

[lifeisbutadream]

Nah, I think any gun shop owner would advise against using such a gun for home defence. It would likely go through walls which could damage your home or kill loved ones behind said walls and its recoil would make shooting more than one intruder difficult. It would be best to just claim you're buying it for the novelty/fun factor. I doubt you'll be too suspicious since I feel like gun sellers are looking out for mass shooters more than anything and this doesn't really seem like an efficient gun for that task. If you're really worried about them questioning your motives, you could say it's for defending yourself from bears while hiking or camping.

Some. Pretty much due to people sticking it underneath the chin, it sometimes just results in them blowing their face off without damaging the right parts of the brain or even damaging the brain at all. Probably also combined with people getting them medical attention quickly, so they didn't even bleed to death, but that's just a theory I consider plausible. Underpowered rounds also could be a factor, birdshot would work if aimed right but combined with the aforementioned aiming style I imagine it wouldn't help matters, buckshot (preferably 00) and slugs are best.
For reference, a slug is one huge hunk of lead in case you need to be accurate and precise, buckshot is a couple of relatively large lead balls (depending on the size of the buckshot) designed for hunting large animals, and birdshot is a bunch of BBs that's used to take out birds and smaller animals. Birdshot is advised against due to the fact that even though it's a shotgun, the projectiles are tiny and thus aren't going to be too effective at anything bigger than the animals they're named after.

"Some. Pretty much due to people sticking it underneath the chin"

Yes, i know those can fail. That's why i specifically asked about in the mouth. It is hard for me to imagine that failing. As for birdshot, i don't think it makes any difference at point blank range, tho i would use buckshot.