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Over here there are at least 2 shops where you can order online and delivered or pick it up at a delivery point. Helium = welding, Nitrogen = beer brewing (not common, but it can be used for that). Both for my uncle whose regular supplier went broke and who doesn't know anything about ordering on the Internet.
Well, I'm glad I did. I thought I'd tightened it secur
I think it also has to do with the amount of gas you need to create and sustain an oxygen-free environment. But maybe I'm wrong.
I'm glad you tested for leaks too--But in my case, with the EEBD Hood, I tested the setup on myself at 25 LPM, after just 5 breaths or so and then taking the Hood off, my Oxygen level dropped from 98 to 40! can't be any leaks with those sorts of results
If you're using an exit bag, then you can put the bag on top of your head, open the valve to fill it up, then turn off the valve and pull the bag down. You should be out in 3 minutes or less. I realize this is not for everybody; I'm not a big fan of it either. Also, I don't think you can do this with an EEBD.
In 'Uitweg' (Dignified Dying) by Boudewijn Chabot there are numbers of 7 persons who used nitrogen (numbers are roughly the same for helium): they all lost consciousness between 34 seconds and 1 minute 59 seconds. If you're not out after 3 minutes, then something's wrong (leaks, oxygen in helium, ...).
Never--As a matter of fact, both Das-Nichts(who passed out and was only saved by hitting his head)and I saw nothing happen after the first two breaths, we thought, 'Is this thing even working!?'--But that's just the delayed reaction in the Nitrogen reaching the fingertips
Let me add something else too regarding leaks--I have a 3500 Liter tank, huge--Although the PSI has dropped from 2200 to 1600 in 2.5 years, there is still enough Nitrogen in that tank to kill me 12 times over
Good info there--Yes, after about 5 breaths or so, 30 seconds maybe, I was feeling maybe a bit lightheaded--I took the Hood off after my oximeter dropped to 77, it then continued to plummet to 40, a delayed reaction
1 minute 59 seconds is too long, it's a sign that something's wrong with the setup or with breathing. In case of hyperventilation with nitrogen, loss of consciousness may happen in just 17-20 seconds
Yeah the one I ordered is 3000L (10L@300bar) lol. It was one of the cheapest I could find.
Brother, the PPH has been revised a number of times. Science in general is being constantly revised due to past mistakes. That's just how information in general works. It's unlikely that you will provide an immaculate piece of work that will never be refuted in the future. You should just openly discuss what you have but be clear about how certain/uncertain you are of some things.
I'm from the UK so I can talk from that perspective. After talking to welders, I was told that argon regulators are created for more precise flowrates whereas nitrogen regulators are created for adjustable cylinder pressure and no care for flowrate due to the different common use cases of each gas. So I've actually bought a nitrogen cylinder but an argon regulator which I'm picking up tomorrow so you can ask me about it then if you want. There are also such things as dual stage regulators which are specifically designed for precise constant flowrates. The usual single stage regulator is not necessarily designed for that and is usually more focused on maintaining the cylinder pressure. Actually, everything I've said here is universally applicable, not just for the UK.
FYI all 7 people died; no pulse at the neck occurred between 7:25 and 16:30. The person who lost consciousness after 1 minute 59 died within 8:56. The quickest loss of consciousness was after 34 seconds. It just shows it's not the same for everyone.
The study you cited said the flowrate was 80lpm though. It's also a different method of delivery. They aren't using a plastic bag.
It doesn't show that the difference is determined by physiological properties of the subject, since the time to LOC highly depends on the technique of breathing. Hyperventilation with pure inert gas gives you the quickest onset and the lowest possible time, while breath holding (implying a lack of ventilation) gives you the largest possible time to LOC (that can be 4 minutes or more).
It's unnecessary, but the time to LOC measured with hyperventilation can give us some interesting data regarding how fast unconsciousness can be achieved, and it's possible to estimate approximate time to LOC depending on how far the actually used technique is from the fastest method.
. Wtf am I going to fucking do?
What's your opinion on other (impossible to control) methods such as full hanging, partial hanging, or night-night?Guys, you cannot buy high purity inert gas in the UK. It's become a controlled substance due to ctb apparently. You have to be able to demonstrate that you're using it for business purposes
I've perused the hanging threads . Tbh I haven't really seen anything useful . This method is great because it's a strict step by step with exact equipment specs etc. I didn't see anything like this for hanging , but would be interested if a member had a link to good info .
would it be possible to use a scuba mask instead? just connect the scuba
why not a scuba mask?
People do use scuba .. check out scuba thread I think it's gas monkey
You need bar and l to know how much compressed nitrogen is in that tank, kg doesn't say anything.
there is the megathread of the user "befree" which indicates step by step the use of the scuba method
l = liter
Never heard of lung exploding . 99.999% sure that's BS. No scientific reason that would happen . You're just breathing air.. tht has a little bit more nitrogen than normal air.
And even that. There are reports of survivors that used helium and survived, no damage at all.
