Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[Tommen Baratheon]

I found a hellium tank in Action store and I wonder if it would work if I close myself in closed area without ventilation (like bathroom) and then unleash the gas

No.

 

[Ἡγησίας]

15 Cases of helium suicides - Herman The Shocker

Helium is one of inert gases causing physical asphyxiation, whose excess content in the breathing atmosphere reduces the partial pressure of oxygen and may be fatal after short-term exposure.

www.hermantheshocker.com

 

[kudaphillips]

15 Cases of helium suicides - Herman The Shocker

Helium is one of inert gases causing physical asphyxiation, whose excess content in the breathing atmosphere reduces the partial pressure of oxygen and may be fatal after short-term exposure.

www.hermantheshocker.com

Nice. Man alot of those bags looked really bad . Feel better about my bag .

 

[ShatteredSerenity]

Yikes! I sure hope I'm discovered before I get all black and bloated like some of those guys.

Case 11 is an interesting technique, I wonder why she put her arms in the bag too? A bag that large must go through a ton of helium, and you could easily break the seal if you moved your arms.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

https://[I]www.hermantheshocker.com/15-cases-of-helium-suicides/[/I]

Death may follow after approx. 13 minutes (2–40 minutes).

2 minutes? Where did he get that information? The thing that draws attention (for me) is that a lot of these cases use balloon helium and no regulator. There's not much to go on (country, date, where was it bought), but it seems amateurish and yet effective. It's only a guess, but I think they didn't even do a practice run.

 

[jasmineck]

Al

15 Cases of helium suicides - Herman The Shocker

Helium is one of inert gases causing physical asphyxiation, whose excess content in the breathing atmosphere reduces the partial pressure of oxygen and may be fatal after short-term exposure.

www.hermantheshocker.com

Most of body are bloody and no one like it and looks like painful, than why all say it is painless and no one detected in autopsy
Does it looks like painless and small children will also say after see body that it is not natural death

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

Al

Most of body are bloody and no one like it and looks like painful, than why all say it is painless and no one detected in autopsy
Does it looks like painless and small children will also say after see body that it is not natural death

Most of the bodies have normal skin colour. The ones that don't were probably dead for a few days before they were found. Maybe in a high temperature environment.

So, it IS painless and it doesn't show in an autopsy. This may sound silly to you, that's because you don't think. If someone gets help, the one helping can remove everything (helium tank, exit bag, ...) and it will occur as a natural death. Aiding in suicide/euthanasia is illegal in a lot of countries hence why.

 

[jasmineck]

Most of the bodies have normal skin colour. The ones that don't were probably dead for a few days before they were found. Maybe in a high temperature environment.

So, it IS painless and it doesn't show in an autopsy. This may sound silly to you, that's because you don't think. If someone gets help, the one helping can remove everything (helium tank, exit bag, ...) and it will occur as a natural death. Aiding in suicide/euthanasia is illegal in a lot of countries hence why.

Most of body have blood from mouth or nose, still now you say it is painless?

 

[kudaphillips]

Most of body have blood from mouth or nose, still now you say it is painless?

this method doesn't make you bleed. The blood is from body bloating or another reason . Maybe they slit wrists prior

 

[jasmineck]

this method doesn't make you bleed. The blood is from body bloating or another reason . Maybe they slit wrists prior

Nops don't try to say it is painless, you see most of body have bloody from mouth or nose and some body have very bad

 

[kudaphillips]

Nops don't try to say it is painless, you see most of body have bloody from mouth or nose and some body have very bad

Ok whatever you say .
It's very painful

 

[jasmineck]

Ok. It's very painful

Yes now you understand, thanks

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

Nops don't try to say it is painless, you see most of body have bloody from mouth or nose and some body have very bad

You're aware that when death occurs so-called bodily fluids are released? In 'Uitweg' (Dignified dying) Boudewijn Chabot mentions a report of the observations that two American doctors, Richard Cone, MD, PhD and Thomas Tuxill, MD, made while 10 people were dying of nitrogen. They reported it was quick and painless, same as with helium.

You're either stupid or a troll, probably both.

 

[AStruggle]

I've found some company selling 15N2 in my area - will that work?

 

[devils~advocate]

You're aware that when death occurs so-called bodily fluids are released? In 'Uitweg' (Dignified dying) Boudewijn Chabot mentions a report of the observations that two American doctors, Richard Cone, MD, PhD and Thomas Tuxill, MD, made while 10 people were dying of nitrogen. They reported it was quick and painless, same as with helium.

Correct. It is quick and causes unconsciousness very quickly....this is the reason there are extreme safety measures in industrial applications. There have been many accidental deaths where workers were exposed and fell unconscious very quickly. Like being under anesthesia.

 

[justwannadip]

Can anyone who is pursuing the nitrogen exit bag as their method message me please? I currently have sourced most of the parts, but I am confused about some things. Mostly the procedure of it and how to install the apparatus and make sure it's working well.

 

[outrider567]

Can anyone who is pursuing the nitrogen exit bag as their method message me please? I currently have sourced most of the parts, but I am confused about some things. Mostly the procedure of it and how to install the apparatus and make sure it's working well.

See ShatteredSerenity's thread 'Just Finished Exit Bag with Nitrogen'

 

[PlannedforPeru]

he said he researched and heard about people's lungs exploding because of this. does anyone know if that's true? i just really want a painless way out.

I think I know of the case he may have been talking about and I believe they did not use a regulator so they experienced the full brunt of the unregulated gas expulsion (assuming the blood was from the lungs popping).

 

[justwannadip]

See ShatteredSerenity's thread 'Just Finished Exit Bag with Nitrogen'

Thanks for your reply. I've seen that post and have talked to him directly. I'm just trying to get as many opinions as possible ig, since I've seen some accounts say they failed with this method when they seemed to do everything right

 

[outrider567]

Thanks for your reply. I've seen that post and have talked to him directly. I'm just trying to get as many opinions as possible ig, since I've seen some accounts say they failed with this method when they seemed to do everything right

I had difficulty with the exit bag also, so I got the EEBD Hood instead

 

[justwannadip]

I had difficulty with the exit bag also, so I got the EEBD Hood instead

@PlannedforPeru failed with their eebd hood and they don't really know why. Id be open to using an eebd hood if its more reliable.

 

[outrider567]

@PlannedforPeru failed with their eebd hood and they don't really know why. Id be open to using an eebd hood if its more reliable.

There's nothing more reliable than an EEBD Hood, there has never been a failure with EEBD Hood, Peru failed because he didn't test it or test it on himself using an oximeter, or had improper connections--I've tested the Hood on myself 5 times, last time after just 5 breaths, I saw my Oxygen Level plunge to 40!, (after taking off the Hood at 77, delayed reaction to the fingertips), so obviously its incredibly lethal, you pass out at 25, then its oblivion

 

[justwannadip]

There's nothing more reliable than an EEBD Hood, there has never been a failure with EEBD Hood, Peru failed because he didn't test it or test it on himself using an oximeter, or had improper connections--I've tested the Hood on myself 5 times, last time after just 5 breaths, I saw my Oxygen Level plunge to 40!, (after taking off the Hood at 77, delayed reaction to the fingertips), so obviously its incredibly lethal, you pass out at 25, then its oblivion

Well he still failed with the eebd hood, regardless of the reason. It's also not clear what that reason was, which is concerning, and it seems this method has many possible points of error. So I'd like to be able to test for everything but its pretty complex for me and I'm not sure how yet.

This is the flow regulator I'm thinking of buying. I asked shatteredserenity and they think it looks fine but I'm wondering what you think about it: https://a.co/d/7Rz8mYU

I'm also getting my cylinder from LindeCanada since I'm in Canada. There's a lot of options for nitrogen cylinders and they all seem to have high purity so I'm very confused at which one to get. I also don't understand the sizes—I don't see 40cuft anywhere. This is the site: https://www.lindecanada.ca/shop/en/ca/gases-dry-ice/nitrogen-en

 

[justwannadip]

Does anyone have a link to a video where they go step by step in how to construct the exit bag using the turkey oven bag? It seems all videos like that have been taken down from youtube and I can't find a good one elsewhere.

 

[SomewhereAlongThe]

I need some help with my regulator, I bought a cheap one, ended up testing it - and it started to leak.

I live in Canada so I need a regulator available in Canada.

I'm wondering what regulators you guys suggest that you know won't leak?

 

[John8]

I got couple of questions
1. How loud is it?, i read that it depends on the regulator
2. How much time do you need before you are fully gone?, not just unconscious
3. Do you get the hose with the regulator purchase?
4.Do you insert the hose from under the drawcord?
5. Can you use something like this to make exit bag imgur
6.Does the right meter on this regulator here show liter per min, so i don't need a flowmeter? imgur

 

[*AzRaEl*]

Greetings to all. I've been researching the inert gas method extensively for a while and, on balance, it's my preferred method to CTB, as other options like firearms and even SN are very difficult to source in the UK. I've read some comments about suitable inert gases being difficult to source as a private customer and that's also true. That said, I have managed to obtain a 1300L cylinder of 99.998% argon. I'm working on getting a nitrogen cylinder, also. If I'm successful in obtaining nitrogen, I'll run my tests and try to CTB with that. If not, I'll go with the argon. My preference for nitrogen is based on:
a) it seems to be a "preferred" choice, now high purity helium is difficult to source
b) lower weight than argon.

I have a few questions that the knowledgeable among us may be able to answer:

1) With regards to the higher weight of argon versus nitrogen and the theory that argon will more readily flush out of an exit bag to be replaced by external air, do you think a higher flow rate and higher positive pressure (20 or 25L per minute?) will adequately compensate for any difference in gas weight? (Obviously, I'll need to factor in that the gas won't last as long but will still be in excess of 50 minutes).

2) Some people on this thread have questioned if their nitrogen is mixed with O2 and have recommended testing gas for O2. Given the normal uses of nitrogen, isn't CO2 a more likely additive/ deliberate contaminant? Could this account for some of the failures documented in this thread, where SI has kicked in (because of high CO2 levels)? Presumably, CO2 can also be tested for? (I still fully support testing your gas for O2, after all why would you leave anything to chance?)

3) how significant is the Supply Pressure Effect (where output pressure from the regulator increases as the cylinder pressure drops) when using a single-stage regulator? I appreciate that it will depend on variables such as the regulator, cylinder pressure and flow rate, but is this something that will significantly reduce total gas flow time, or should I not worry about this?

4) I'm particularly interested to hear any experiences people have using / testing both nitrogen and argon and any differences noted

I got couple of questions
1. How loud is it?, i read that it depends on the regulator
2. How much time do you need before you are fully gone?, not just unconscious
3. Do you get the hose with the regulator purchase?
4.Do you insert the hose from under the drawcord?
5. Can you use something like this to make exit bag imgur
6.Does the right meter on this regulator here show liter per min, so i don't need a flowmeter? imgur

1) Louder than you expect but then you do have your head in a bag
2) I recommend going to the start of this thread and reading about the Swiss bus-catchers whose efforts were timed and recorded. I could tell you but it's better for you to read it yourself and make up your own mind.
3) No, it's a separate purchase
4) Yes. Strongly recommend watching "doing it with Betty" and reading the PPH for this.
5) In theory, sure you can but I think the volume of the bag is too much. Also, that's a non-transparent bag and claustrophobia is a thing.
6) I can't read the measurement units but it looks like it's LPM on an argon / CO2 regulator. But always best to confirm with the retailer or manufacturer

 

[SomewhereAlongThe]

How could I test my nitrogen's purity without an oxygen meter (I can't afford one)? Could I breathe it through the bag and see how long it takes for me to feel like I'm losing consciousness?

 

[*AzRaEl*]

How could I test my nitrogen's purity without an oxygen meter (I can't afford one)? Could I breathe it through the bag and see how long it takes for me to feel like I'm losing consciousness?

Gas purity is not just about oxygen, you also need to consider carbon dioxide, which is sometimes added to nitrogen gas. Your proposed test carries the risk of CTB accidentally. Others on this thread have used a pulse oximeter, which can be purchased cheaply

 

[outrider567]

How could I test my nitrogen's purity without an oxygen meter (I can't afford one)? Could I breathe it through the bag and see how long it takes for me to feel like I'm losing consciousness?

A pulse oximeter is just 30 bucks