Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[Tears in Rain]

Yeah I did. And I do get it sealed by tightening it very hard (and retightening it once or twice), it just seems to me I shouldn't have to use this much force.
I'm probably wrong on that, it's just that the other regulator doesn't need to be tightened with this kind of force.

Well, if you get it sealed by tightening it very tight, then just do that. You only need it to stay leak-free for the one-time use anyway, unless you're doing tests.
Maybe the cheaper regulator just provides a better seal, the end connection on it seems a little bit different.

As long as it's not leaking when the time comes to use it, then tightening it very hard shouldn't matter, you won't be resusing it.

 

[Tommen Baratheon]

People, it's not so complicated

Read the PPH

There's also the DVD Final Exit that you can download through torrents.

As for Helium: in Europe you can still use it. When I searched online there were party shops selling cannisters with 90% helium.

 

[Elzar]

Well, if you get it sealed by tightening it very tight, then just do that. You only need it to stay leak-free for the one-time use anyway, unless you're doing tests.
Maybe the cheaper regulator just provides a better seal, the end connection on it seems a little bit different.

As long as it's not leaking when the time comes to use it, then tightening it very hard shouldn't matter, you won't be resusing it.

You're right of course.
It's really the testing and that it feels a bit like damaging the thing each time.
I just ordered some spare "normal" O-rings, maybe I try one of those - if it damages anything it's likely just going to be the ring, I hope. They're not explicitly marked as suitable for gas, but that shouldn't really make a difference, right?
The material is nitrile rubber.

 

[grahf]

Hello sorry I don't know where to ask
Should I buy 1m3 6,7 liter or 2m3 13,4 liter Nitrogen food grade
I can't buy larger tank
And which one I should buy for hood

Or

Or should I make exit bag
I live in south east Asia and it's hard to buy scba eebd or scuba
This is the regulator
Sorry my broken English

 

[Tears in Rain]

Hello sorry I don't know where to ask
Should I buy 1m3 6,7 liter or 2m3 13,4 liter Nitrogen food grade
I can't buy larger tank
And which one I should buy for hood

1m3 is 1000 litres of compressed gas, 2m3 is 2000 litres. Some people have advised to get 600 litres minimum. that's plenty enough for the exit bag and hood.
It's a little bit harder to judge how much inert gas is used in the SCBA and SCUBA methods; some people advise to use 1000+ litres for those set-ups.

1.0M3 is 1000 litres which is 67 minutes at 15L/min. So that is fine.

The Gas:

You will need to keep the inert gas flowing at 15 liters per minute (Lpm) for 40 minutes to be confident of ending your life —in other words, you'll need a minimum of 600 liters of inert gas.

In the US, a 20 cubic foot (cf) cylinder is the smallest you should use for ctb; a 40cf will allow some margin for flinching, practicing, etc. I bought my N2 at AirGas, a national company here in the US.

Food grade is usually high purity nitrogen, you should get 98%+ purity.

Or should I make exit bag
I live in south east Asia and it's hard to buy scba eebd or scuba

You may not be able to get a SCBA or SCUBA adapter in your region, I don't know if there's one available for the Asian region you live in. If it's hard to get that gear there then it's probably best to go with the hood or exit bag. Both work. Go back over the last 7 or 8 pages of this thread, it has all the info you need about both methods to help you make the choice.

 

[forced2live]

Does this have risk of explosion?

 

[Kapsyl]

Does this have risk of explosion?

Not really, other than the compressed gas. Mine was safe to ship with 200bar.

The biggest risk is either emptying it all at once by mistake or overfilling but either is not likely.

Be careful when handling it so you don't damage any valves by tipping it over or something.

 

[forced2live]

Not really, other than the compressed gas. Mine was safe to ship with 200bar.

The biggest risk is either emptying it all at once by mistake or overfilling but either is not likely.

Be careful when handling it so you don't damage any valves by tipping it over or something.

I'm still dubious about this. I'm not sure about the cost and cylinder specs like psi, litre , volume and reason to buy and safely carrying it home. Im so confused.

 

[thot88]

I currently have a home helium tank coming, which is intended for balloons. There is also an oxygen meter coming with which I can make sure that the content is 99% helium. If the content is not suitable, then I resort to the more expensive one, i.e. argon.

 

[forced2live]

I currently have a home helium tank coming, which is intended for balloons. There is also an oxygen meter coming with which I can make sure that the content is 99% helium. If the content is not suitable, then I resort to the more expensive one, i.e. argon.

Can you share your progress on discord. I really want to see how this goes. I'm so scared to try out this. It would very nice if some one were show me their death live online via. Its gonna be very useful. Please can you share your discord id.

 

[Kapsyl]

I'm still dubious about this. I'm not sure about the cost and cylinder specs like psi, litre , volume and reason to buy and safely carrying it home. Im so confused.

It can be a bit complicated not gonna lie, I spent probably 2 weeks researching before ordering the nitrogen and regulator.

The volume and the pressure is the numbers you have to look at. My bottle is 5 liter at 200bar which is around 1000liter uncompressed. Some bottles are at a lower pressure but the same volume which would be less nitrogen.

I ordered mine online filled, no questions but I live in Europe.

 

[forced2live]

It can be a bit complicated not gonna lie, I spent probably 2 weeks researching before ordering the nitrogen and regulator.

The volume and the pressure is the numbers you have to look at. My bottle is 5 liter at 200bar which is around 1000liter uncompressed. Some bottles are at a lower pressure but the same volume which would be less nitrogen.

I ordered mine online filled, no questions but I live in Europe.

Are you on discord , please hit me up. I want know more about this from someone who knows better. I have so many questions.

 

[Kapsyl]

Are you on discord , please hit me up. I want know more about this from someone who knows better. I have so many questions.

Unfortunately no but I'm happy answering any question here or on dm, my knowledge is mostly on nitrogen and exit bag.

 

[forced2live]

Unfortunately no but I'm happy answering any question here or on dm, my knowledge is mostly on nitrogen and exit bag.

Can you send pics of your setup

 

[Onomatopoeia]

I'm still dubious about this. I'm not sure about the cost and cylinder specs like psi, litre , volume and reason to buy and safely carrying it home. Im so confused.

Nitrogen is expensive unfortunately, unless you already own a tank. I paid $300. They are built pretty solid, so it's kind of hard to damage them in transit in a car. Even if it falls over (mine did on the way home), in a car back seat, there really isn't anywhere for it to fall that isn't a soft landing.

40 cubic feet or about 1,000 liters is more than enough to kill you 10 times over with the SCUBA method. I don't know much about exit bags. But then again, I didn't know much about the SCUBA method 6 weeks ago. I read the entire thread and all related threads to get an understanding. If you really want to do this method, it's best to truly understand it, and how it works. Then people can jump in and fill in the missing pieces for you.

I want to do it right, and I have nothing but time on my hands before CTB. So I read everything possible. But once you start reading these long megathreads, you'll find that they get repetitive, meaning these methods really aren't as complicated as you think...because it's all the same instructions, equipment, etc. over and over again.

 

[forced2live]

Nitrogen is expensive unfortunately, unless you already own a tank. I paid $300. They are built pretty solid, so it's kind of hard to damage them in transit in a car. Even if it falls over (mine did on the way home), in a car back seat, there really isn't anywhere for it to fall that isn't a soft landing.

40 cubic feet or about 1,000 liters is more than enough to kill you 10 times over with the SCUBA method. I don't know much about exit bags. But then again, I didn't know much about the SCUBA method 6 weeks ago. I read the entire thread and all related threads to get an understanding. If you really want to do this method, it's best to truly understand it, and how it works. Then people can jump in and fill in the missing pieces for you.

I want to do it right, and I have nothing but time on my hands before CTB. So I read everything possible. But once you start reading these long megathreads, you'll find that they get repetitive, meaning these methods really aren't as complicated as you think...because it's all the same instructions, equipment, etc. over and over again.

Price is not the problem for me. I'm concerned about the it exploding

 

[Kapsyl]

I currently have a home helium tank coming, which is intended for balloons. There is also an oxygen meter coming with which I can make sure that the content is 99% helium. If the content is not suitable, then I resort to the more expensive one, i.e. argon.

I'm very curious about your results, I've seen sellers claiming 99% pure helium on some site so it will be interesting results. I live in Europe maybe the market here is more pure than in the us? I saw one manufacturer in Saudi Arabia which claimed 99% pure Helium too.

Can you send pics of your setup

I have a thread about my method, it's untested and unorthodox so I wouldn't recommend it before I tried it but I have my reasons.

Gas mask with reservoir, inert gas

I'm looking for advice for a variation of the inert gas method but using a military grade gas mask which is connected to a nitrogen filled environment instead. I haven’t seen this variation of inert gas proposed so I figured it was worthy its own thread I propose using this gas mask...

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The tank is not gonna explode, mine survived the postal service in a package, just secure it in the car with something soft.

 

[forced2live]

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Nitrogen is expensive unfortunately, unless you already own a tank. I paid $300. They are built pretty solid, so it's kind of hard to damage them in transit in a car. Even if it falls over (mine did on the way home), in a car back seat, there really isn't anywhere for it to fall that isn't a soft landing.

40 cubic feet or about 1,000 liters is more than enough to kill you 10 times over with the SCUBA method. I don't know much about exit bags. But then again, I didn't know much about the SCUBA method 6 weeks ago. I read the entire thread and all related threads to get an understanding. If you really want to do this method, it's best to truly understand it, and how it works. Then people can jump in and fill in the missing pieces for you.

I want to do it right, and I have nothing but time on my hands before CTB. So I read everything possible. But once you start reading these long megathreads, you'll find that they get repetitive, meaning these methods really aren't as complicated as you think...because it's all the same instructions, equipment, etc. over and over again.

Can you send send pictures of it ? Let me see.

 

[thot88]

I'm very curious about your results, I've seen sellers claiming 99% pure helium on some site so it will be interesting results. I live in Europe maybe the market here is more pure than in the us? I saw one manufacturer in Saudi Arabia which claimed 99% pure Helium too.

I have a thread about my method, it's untested and unorthodox so I wouldn't recommend it before I tried it but I have my reasons.

Gas mask with reservoir, inert gas

I'm looking for advice for a variation of the inert gas method but using a military grade gas mask which is connected to a nitrogen filled environment instead. I haven’t seen this variation of inert gas proposed so I figured it was worthy its own thread I propose using this gas mask...

sanctioned-suicide.net

The tank is not gonna explode, mine survived the postal service in a package, just secure it in the car with something soft.

My source is from Europe as I live in Finland

 

[Kapsyl]

My source is from Europe as I live in Finland

I live in Sweden so If the oxygen test would not be satisfactory I can provide a source to pure nitrogen if you're interested.

 

[thegoldengirls]

@Tears in Rain ,
I received my Nitrogen cylinder, and before I begin my setup , I wanted to know does the ingredients look legitimate? I appreciate your feedback.

 

[Kapsyl]

That's some quality nitrogen 99.999% pure,ppm means parts per million so 10ppm of oxygen is an incredibly low amount.

How big and how many bar/psi is the cylinder?

 

[Onomatopoeia]

Part #E1066 (your cylinder) is the US equivalent of #UN1066, or 99.9999% Nitrogen gas. You're more than good.

 

[grahf]

1m3 is 1000 litres of compressed gas, 2m3 is 2000 litres. Some people have advised to get 600 litres minimum. that's plenty enough for the exit bag and hood.
It's a little bit harder to judge how much inert gas is used in the SCBA and SCUBA methods; some people advise to use 1000+ litres for those set-ups.




Food grade is usually high purity nitrogen, you should get 98%+ purity.


You may not be able to get a SCBA or SCUBA adapter in your region, I don't know if there's one available for the Asian region you live in. If it's hard to get that gear there then it's probably best to go with the hood or exit bag. Both work. Go back over the last 7 or 8 pages of this thread, it has all the info you need about both methods to help you make the choice.

Thank you so much for replying

 

[Have_a_nice_Life]

Quite a few of us here including me have the EEBD hood. Its very good. @outrider567 has done multiple tests with it & can confirm that it works. Its better than an exit bag cuz its has an exhalation valve & is much sturdier (though exit bag is also viable). Theres a source on Alibaba who selles the hood for only $20 USD without the cylinder but the connection if different so youll have to modify it to that of your regulator

Hi could you PM me the source please ?

 

[dorado14]

Hi, I'm new here. Could someone help me? I bought a 40 cf full Argon cylinder, but when I checked the initial pressure it was 1700 psi. Is that normal? Should the exit bag method still work?

 

[Tears in Rain]

Hi, I'm new here. Could someone help me? I bought a 40 cf full Argon cylinder, but when I checked the initial pressure it was 1700 psi. Is that normal? Should the exit bag method still work?

Someone mentioned that the argon that delivers in the U.S. from a famous shopping website has gotten a couple of bad reviews about cylinders not being full when buying:



It seems those 40 cu/ft cylinders are usually filled to 2,015 PSI. If yours is 1700psi then that's roughly 84% full(1700÷2015*100).
So, 84% of 40 cu/ft is roughly 33.5 cu/ft of argon.
In litres, 33.5 cu/ft is roughly 950 litres of compressed Argon. Which is plenty enough.

You should set the gas regulator to 25 litres per minute (LPM) with argon. That will give you roughly 38 minutes of gasflow (950÷25).(The PPH says that death occurs in 5-10 mins with inert gas).

Someone here previously posted that argon at 15lpm with an EEBD hood was a bit suffocating, but 25 LPM was fine:

Exit bag and inert gas megathread

I tried to click the link for the pph and it said website not available. Do you have a current link? I'm not technically inclined so I don't have a VPN or use tor. Would love to learn how but not sure if that's possible. This sticky has a working download link in the original post, I used the...

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[dorado14]

Someone mentioned that the argon that delivers in the U.S. from a famous shopping website has gotten a couple of bad reviews about cylinders not being full when buying:
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It seems those 40 cu/ft cylinders are usually filled to 2,015 PSI. If yours is 1700psi then that's roughly 84% full(1700÷2015*100).
So, 84% of 40 cu/ft is roughly 33.5 cu/ft of argon.
In litres, 33.5 cu/ft is roughly 950 litres of compressed Argon. Which is plenty enough.

You should set the gas regulator to 25 litres per minute (LPM) with argon. That will give you roughly 38 minutes of gasflow (950÷25).
Someone here previously posted that argon at 15lpm with an EEBD hood was a bit suffocating, but 25 LPM was fine:

Exit bag and inert gas megathread

I tried to click the link for the pph and it said website not available. Do you have a current link? I'm not technically inclined so I don't have a VPN or use tor. Would love to learn how but not sure if that's possible. This sticky has a working download link in the original post, I used the...

sanctioned-suicide.net

Someone mentioned that the argon that delivers in the U.S. from a famous shopping website has gotten a couple of bad reviews about cylinders not being full when buying:
View attachment 131111
View attachment 131112

It seems those 40 cu/ft cylinders are usually filled to 2,015 PSI. If yours is 1700psi then that's roughly 84% full(1700÷2015*100).
So, 84% of 40 cu/ft is roughly 33.5 cu/ft of argon.
In litres, 33.5 cu/ft is roughly 950 litres of compressed Argon. Which is plenty enough.

You should set the gas regulator to 25 litres per minute (LPM) with argon. That will give you roughly 38 minutes of gasflow (950÷25).(The PPH says that death occurs in 5-10 mins with inert gas).

Someone here previously posted that argon at 15lpm with an EEBD hood was a bit suffocating, but 25 LPM was fine:

Exit bag and inert gas megathread

I tried to click the link for the pph and it said website not available. Do you have a current link? I'm not technically inclined so I don't have a VPN or use tor. Would love to learn how but not sure if that's possible. This sticky has a working download link in the original post, I used the...

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Thank you for the help! (^_^)/) That's a relief. I actually got it from a (cyber)welding supplier. :P

If I were a hobbyist welder, I would definitely be annoyed though...

 

[needout]

Help needed please...Iv recently decided on attempting to use the inert gas method, being new here but looking at methods it seems the sn route is dead unless your in the loop and being new,i ain't .so as much as il find it difficult iv made a final decision after reading and some advice on inert gas method.so i started to acquire the equipment needed for a gas/exit hood method.il be using a eebd escape hood with its hose connected to argon bottle,easier to acquire than nitrogen bottle for me,long story..i have the hood ordered and should be here in a week.i have had to purchase a argon regulator for the bottle as it is on hire which was tricky as i know little about welding. Anyhow the argon regulator I got has 2 dials,one for the inlet pressure in bar and the other for the outlet showing lpm ,I read here that using argon may need the lpm rate set at 25lpm,the second dial easily does that but the extra flow meter I brought(float type) only goes to 15 lpm.my query is do I actually need it as the second guage on my regulator seems to display the flow rate lpm or am I better adding on another float style flow meter with a higher lpm reading for more accurate flow control.the regulator itself is high enough quality, figured no point in buying any thing cheap when it gets one chance to work to get me out of here.any help or thoughts most appreciated,after this it's somehow connecting the eebd hose to the regulator,it's 1.5mtr long so im hoping it doesn't need extended with joints while may give leak troubles.once i get the hood delivered il know the exact size of pipe at least to work out the connection to the regulator,it has 3/8 rh thread connection point.getting this together is tricky but it's a case of shit or get of the pot time asap.cheers guys

 

[Tears in Rain]

i have had to purchase a argon regulator for the bottle as it is on hire which was tricky as i know little about welding. Anyhow the argon regulator I got has 2 dials,one for the inlet pressure in bar and the other for the outlet showing lpm ,I read here that using argon may need the lpm rate set at 25lpm,the second dial easily does that but the extra flow meter I brought(float type) only goes to 15 lpm.my query is do I actually need it as the second guage on my regulator seems to display the flow rate lpm or am I better

The flowmeter might be a little more accurate, but the regulator with the LPM gauge is fine.

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For Tig welding, what type of gas requlator I should use? There are single stage regulator with 2 gages and also flowmeter type with sight glass. Which is the correct one or better one to use? I have a used Harris Victor Medalist HRF1425-580 on the way. How do I inspect/test it? I can not find a...

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Yes, make sure you use 25LPM with argon.

after this it's somehow connecting the eebd hose to the regulator,it's 1.5mtr long so im hoping it doesn't need extended with joints while may give leak troubles.once i get the hood delivered il know the exact size of pipe at least to work out the connection to the regulator,it has 3/8 rh thread connection point.getting this together is tricky but it's a case of shit or get of the pot time asap.cheers guys

1.5 metres hood hose should be plenty long enough.
You just need to cut the connector off the end of the hood hose, and then attach it to the gas regulator hose barb with hose clamps.