Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[Andro_USYD]

That's exactly what I was thinking tbh. It probably wasn't enough helium to kill me because it was from a balloon helium tank which isn't enough. Where can U get helium at that purity (I'm doing good but I always want the cowards way out if all shit goes to hell)

 

[wanttosleep]

That's exactly what I was thinking tbh. It probably wasn't enough helium to kill me because it was from a balloon helium tank which isn't enough. Where can U get helium at that purity (I'm doing good but I always want the cowards way out if all shit goes to hell)

Aussie? If so the was some new safety standard for non refillable helium tanks need to be mixed with 20% oxygen. I'm going with nitrogen because it seems easier to get and the supplier says it supposed to be >99% nitrogen

Playing with the EEBD hood.
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Man thats just cruel

 

[GasMonkey]

Can you still put it back together?

Yep.

with diving equipment(SCUBA) need 200 bar on both sides because the diving regulator is DIN200(for DIN200 valves).

There are 300bar SCUBA regulators too.

 

[puffnstuff]

I bought this CGA580 Argon CO2 regulator for my 550L Nitrogen bottle.
1. Do I still set it for 15lpm?
2. The hose is about the diameter of my pinky. Is that a problem if I am using the traditional exit bag? If so, what should I do?

 

[winterparty]

Is this one a eebd hood? Is this hood failsafe? Maybe there is a safer option? At least you have to stop yourself from pulling any plugs and so on. You gas yourself in the hood? https://www.herbach.de/brandschutz/...i-hood-in-tasche-rettungshaube-komplett/18382

How many litres is the gas bottle minimum?
How many bar?

Is this a regulator? How to calculate for nitrogen? https://weldes.de/de_DE/p/DURCHFLUSSMESSER-ARGON-CARBON-DIOXID-UND-MIX-185BAR-SHERMAN/3227

Why isn't there a guide with links to all parts?

Can someone contact me and help me with this?

 

[ztem]

carbon monoxide

Carbon dioxide(CO2)

Or does it not matter?

@Das Nichts did blackout test with plastic bag and said that these small details are not important.

Argon not reliable for exit bag?

It's so weird, even when I did it very tight with the drawstring. I mean I'm not gonna do the gas method anymore because can't afford it rn but I don't mind sharing my experience. It seems people are succeeding with SN I know your team sn now but bag is my backup plan so I'm still inclined to...

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[Mare Imbrium]

My exit oven bag ruffles above the elastic band. There is a possibility of entry of more O2. What are your opinions? Thank you.

 

[JC96178235]

In a well tightened mask you will never have a big seal break, no matter how much do you move. There isn't any realistic situation where that will happen.


Assuming the mask is sealing well then the difference in consumption between NP and PP wouldn't be that much, a PP LDV only maintains a PP over ambient of just 3.9mbar inside the mask, which btw helps with exhalation since this pressure also pushes against the exhalation valve which opens at 4.2mbar.

A big leak in a NP system will simply make the LDV to not open (there won't be enough pressure differential). In fact that's how SCUBA Ambient Breathing Valves work, they intentionally open a leak in the mask to breath air from the external ambient, but this won't happen accidentally anyway. @ertn used an Ambient Breathing Valve to breath air with the mask on before closing it and start breathing the Nitrogen.
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That analyzer doesn't have an inlet to pump gas into, so you would have to put it inside a bag a fill it with your gas.

So I can just leave the LDV in a bag with the analyser or would that not work?

 

[ztem]

Do I still set it for 15lpm?

Yes

The hose is about the diameter of my pinky. Is that a problem if I am using the traditional exit bag? If so, what should I do?

Rubber hoses are heavy and they're for heavy duty application and not suitable for plastic bags.
1- Oxygen tube
2-PVC clear vinyl tube
3-Polyurethane air hose(the lightest air hose in the market)

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The size of the hose barb I chose for you is 1/4(6mm),so you need a tube/hose with 1/4 inch(6mm) ID (inner diameter),(1/4 inch oxygen tube or 1/4 inch PVC clear vinyl tube or 1/4 inch Polyurethane air hose).

 

[Andro_USYD]

Well that must be the reason I'm alive today then, the helium potency. I will try and get nitrogen but I have no idea where I'd get it from. Maybe just a quick Google?

 

[wanttosleep]

Well that must be the reason I'm alive today then, the helium potency. I will try and get nitrogen but I have no idea where I'd get it from. Maybe just a quick Google?

There is a source in the ppeh available in the resources sticky thread. Its a nationwide chain deals in tools. Haven't bought mine yet, working up the courage to get it so no idea how tough it is to get or if they are gonna question it.

 

[bored2death]

i have a couple questions about this method. i'm having trouble finding/using a search function so i'll post them here. i apologize if they've been asked and answered before

1. is argon as suitable as nitrogen?
2. wouldn't a scuba regulator serve perfectly well as an alternative to the flow regulators, etc?

 

[NoFutureAnymore]

2. wouldn't a scuba regulator serve perfectly well as an alternative to the flow regulators, etc?

In combination with a scuba mask, yes. You can also consider SCBA. Try to post some more reactions in for example the forum games. The search function will be unlocked after a certain amount of posts. It makes it easier to search trough this thread.

 

[anonaon]

1. is argon as suitable as nitrogen?

Argon is perfectly viable. Few people in this forum have CTB'd with argon, though try to get nitrogen or helium if you can coz argon is a heavier gas which may not work the best wih an exit bag setup

 

[Das Nichts]

I constructed my exit bag from a turkey cooking bag. Easy to make. Tried it on and with the elastic cord it appears to fit well and is roomy. It does not bunch up near my mouth or nose. The tubing I have is clear flexible plastic. Advice here states to put the tube in so as to be at my back. My question is how far up in the bag should the end be placed? I know I've seen a photo somewhere that had it taped inside the bag with the end up high which would end up being above the top of my head once inflated. Is this correct? Or does it not matter? My concern is nitrogen, oxygen and carbon monoxide have different densities or weight. Want to make sure the nitrogen is at the top and pushing out the oxygen and carbon monoxide. Any advice or a diagram would be helpful.

I don't think this matters. I did it like this:



If you turn the gas down the bag will go from fully inflated to flat very fast, that's why you can't do a safe blackout test.
I think this proves that the CO2 purging works.

My exit oven bag ruffles above the elastic band. There is a possibility of entry of more O2. What are your opinions? Thank you.

You could measure you head and try to find smaller bags. In the end I went for a different type of bag with the
recommended micron from the ppeh. They look similiar to the ones in the doing it with chi video.

 

[todienomore]

not recommended just interesting

Suicide by inhalation of butane gas through a homemade adaptation of a continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP) face mask (2020)
https://sci-hub.live/https://doi.org/10.1007/s12024-020-00271-y (pdf)

 

[Eleanor]

Hi all,

I'm hoping you guys could help me with this. I'm looking for a helium tank for the inert gas method. Would this one be okay? I would buy two of them, as described in the book Dignified Dying. They are readily available in my country so that's not an issue:

Size tank: 13 liters
Quality: 99.99% pure helium
Amount of helium: 0.40m3 gas / 512.9 liters helium
Weight: 4.24 kilograms
Size: 25 x 25 x 38cm

I'd be using the exit bag. If I buy around 800-1000 liters helium, would that be enough? I'm a little confused because the book says you need two tanks of 420 liters and this tank should be 23 liters, but if I look for a tank containing 420 liters it is only 13,3 or so liters. Your help would be much appreciated, as I would rather have too much helium than not enough! Thanks for reading!

 

[bored2death]

not recommended just interesting

Suicide by inhalation of butane gas through a homemade adaptation of a continuous positive airway pressure (CPAP) face mask (2020)
https://sci-hub.live/https://doi.org/10.1007/s12024-020-00271-y (pdf)

if it matters, the linked pdf shows pictures of the deceased. took me by surprise, but it isn't anything too upsetting

very comforting to know butane works in addition to the other gases

 

[JMarley]

if it matters, the linked pdf shows pictures of the deceased. took me by surprise, but it isn't anything too upsetting

very comforting to know butane works in addition to the other gases

The interesting thing is that he only wore a nose mask, while his mouth was completely free.

 

[winterparty]

Can you help me assemble all the parts I've bought and tell me whether you have to use higher flow rate with a eebd hood?
Please chat with me privately as well as I'm in great pain and I need help with this method. I've read the peaceful pill but I still have problems

 

[JC96178235]

Anyone know how long you're supposed to hyperventilate before?

 

[Mare Imbrium]

Have you heard that? The outlet pressure of the pressure reducer rises, not falls, when the bottle pressure sinks. This would be good.

 

[NoFutureAnymore]

Anyone know how long you're supposed to hyperventilate before?

PPeH describes the exit bag method and says the following about it:

To minimise the chance of experiencing panic and air hunger, it is recommended that before pulling down the bag, one spends a short time (1-2 mins) hyperventilating (ie. deeply inhaling and exhaling air into the lungs at an increased frequency).

Which inert gas method are you considering?

 

[JC96178235]

Oh okay thank you, I'm going with SCBA

 

[Anonymous2998691]

Hi, I am looking for a Nitrogen regulator, but they only measure PSI (Lbs per square inch) and kPa (Kilopascal), not Lpn (liters per minute). Which is the measurement I need to use to regulate the Nitrogen, where can I find a regulator that uses Lpm? Am I missing something?

 

[ztem]

Oh okay thank you, I'm going with SCBA

With SCBA/EEBD hood/SCUBA you don't need to pre-exhale or hyperventilate since it has exhalation valves for CO2 and that's why they are much better than plastic bag but you can do it If you want to lose consciousness faster but remember that we are talking about seconds.

where can I find a regulator that uses Lpm

First tell us where you are and what's the Nitrogen standard in your region.If you can't find Nitrogen flowmeter for Nitrogen cylinder in your region,go with Argon or Argon/CO2 flowmeter If Nitrogen and Argon standards are the same in your region.for example in my region standard of Nitrogen,Argon is DIN6.This means I can use DIN6 Argon regulator/flowmeter for Nitrogen cylinder(or vice versa).If you can't find Nitrogen or Argon or Argon/CO2 flowmeter in your region,buy one from abroad.

Can you help me assemble all the parts I've bought and tell me whether you have to use higher flow rate with a eebd hood?

@Vizzy used 25LPM with his EEBD hood.

Nitrogen gas with EEBD hood Guide (Inert gas Method)

NITROGEN GAS WITH EEBD HOOD (INERT GAS METHOD) before I start this guide, let’s be honest this method is expensive (approximately 600 to 800 dollars)and you need minimum 1 -2 months to source the equipments and nitrogen gas cylinder. My tip for you to do it cheap, purchase the Chinese products...

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[NoFutureAnymore]

Oh okay thank you, I'm going with SCBA

I agree with @ztem. This information is about the exit bag where the CO2 isn't purged as effectively.

 

[winterparty]

I have a few questions before I CTB with this method:

-How do you inflate the hood? Do you hold the hood around the hose while filling it so nothing else can enter?
-Do you have to use a spray if you have a regulator to check for leaks?
-Is all of this testing neccessary or not? I mean if I get a food grade 5.0 nitrogen bottle then it's not neccssary I guess?

 

[Zaphkiel]

No news from GasMonkey since Sunday...i have a bad feeling about it and i hope i'm wrong

 

[anonaon]

I have a few questions before I CTB with this method:

-How do you inflate the hood? Do you hold the hood around the hose while filling it so nothing else can enter?
-Do you have to use a spray if you have a regulator to check for leaks?
-Is all of this testing neccessary or not? I mean if I get a food grade 5.0 nitrogen bottle then it's not neccssary I guess?

- prefill the hood by turning on the gas and holding it atop your head

- Soap-water spray is probably the best way to check for leaks but also listen for any hissing sounds and look for a drop in the pressure gauge of the regulator at 0lpm flowrate

- if you buy from a reputable source then its not necessary to check for purity but you must check for leaks regardless