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[traveller89]

I had trouble too, that's why I got the EEBD Hood instead--takes the guesswork

Thank you for answering me. I'am not sure I manage with EEBD.

 

[GasMonkey]

how to make your EB

There is a PDF with instructions in the on-line version of the PPeH.

 

[traveller89]

There is a PDF with instructions in the on-line version of the PPeH.

Thanks a lot @GasMonkey! That is I'm searching for.

 

[anonaon]

Thanks a lot @GasMonkey! That is I'm searching for.

There's also a step-by-step video instructions titled "Doing it with Chi", along with nurse Betty's original guide, on the resources megathread

 

[traveller89]

There's also a step-by-step video instructions titled "Doing it with Chi", along with nurse Betty's original guide, on the resources megathread

Thank you, I've seen the video "doing it with Chi", but his version seems to me a simple one (I don't know if his EB would work properly) , the online version of the PPeh is more complicated and seems more reliable. And as for nurse Betty's original guide - is it a video?

 

[anonaon]

And as for nurse Betty's original guide - is it a video?

Yes but it's in a folder on the resource thread

 

[traveller89]

Yes but it's in a folder on the resource thread

Thank you!

 

[wagner2029]

would this mask be better than the exitbag?
I would close the gas outlet.

 

[anonaon]

would this mask be better than the exitbag?
I would close the gas outlet.

I think the PPH mentioned CPAP face masks are prone to leaks from outside air as they don't provide a perfect seal

 

[TF64]

I discovered the other day a SCBA regulator that looks similar to an "industrial" Nitrogen regulator:
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Maybe the setup with a Nitrogen regulator is possible if the regulator has enough quality and a low output pressure range, like this one that has a 0-10bar output (demand valves work at ~7.25bar):
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This one would be even better coz it's dual-stage:
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You should experiment with this @Das Nichts.

This stuff is interesting for regions where there is no air-to-nitrogen adapter to use a native SCBA regulator, but it is more simple to just get an EEBD hood and connect it to a Nitrogen regulator with a flow meter.

Is there a particular EEBD hood that you are familiar with that would be reliable? What would be the specific procedure for using an EEBD hood? They look like a hood that fits loosely over the head. Are they as air tight as an SCBA? Would I need more Nitrogen with an EEBD Hood than with an SCBA? I only have a 18 CF tank.

 

[GasMonkey]

Is there a particular EEBD hood that you are familiar with that would be reliable?

I have the escMode EEBD hood, which is the same model on Vizzy's setup. It's good, bennydiazapine CTB'd with it.

What would be the specific procedure for using an EEBD hood?

1. Pre-fill hood (holding it atop the head).
2. Take a deep breath of air.
3. Insert head into the hood.
4. Adjust the inner mask on the face.
5. Exhale fully.
6. Take a deep breath of Nitrogen.

Are they as air tight as an SCBA?

No, the fit on the head what holds it in place, it doesn't have straps.

Would I need more Nitrogen with an EEBD Hood than with an SCBA?

Yep.

would this mask be better than the exitbag?

No, CPAP masks are not good to CTB.
Also any mask setup requires a demand valve (like SCBA/SCUBA), reservoir bag (like Non-ReBreather masks) or a HUGE flow rate (like the respirator mask+pump sets) to meet the demands of inhalation.

 

[samp]

I live in the united states. can someone tell me/link me exactly what to buy?

 

[outrider567]

I have the escMode EEBD hood, which is the same model on Vizzy's setup. It's good, bennydiazapine CTB'd with it.


1. Pre-fill hood (holding it atop the head).
2. Take a deep breath of air.
3. Insert head into the hood.
4. Adjust the inner mask on the face.
5. Exhale fully.
6. Take a deep breath of Nitrogen.


No, the fit on the head what holds it in place, it doesn't have straps.
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Yep.


No, CPAP masks are not good to CTB.
Also any mask setup requires a demand valve (like SCBA/SCUBA), reservoir bag (like Non-ReBreather masks) or a HUGE flow rate (like the respirator mask+pump sets) to meet the demands of inhalation.


Yep.


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So they have Nitrogen cylinders with both standards and you can pick which you want?


Yeah but "imported" within EU so no taxes.

GasMonkey, do you know what bennydiazapine used for LPM when he used the Hood?

 

[GasMonkey]

15 LPM with a 3L 180bar (540L) cylinder.

 

[GasMonkey]

@Vizzy used 21 LPM in an Argon-calibrated flow meter with Nitrogen (shooting for 25 LPM).

 

[Red Desert]

Does anyone have the e-book «The Exit Bag + Inert Gas Suicide Technique, The Art of Painless Self-Deliverance» by Karlis Ranford?

I'd be very grateful!

 

[GasMonkey]

I live in the united states. can someone tell me/link me exactly what to buy?

@rejected's setup is pretty good for the US.

 

[traveller89]

The best way to test any constant flow setup is to test it with air (that's what EXIT International did to determine the optimal flow rate for ExitBags). That increases the price a lot obviously since you need an air cylinder+air flow regulator but it's super cool to see the setup in action, test different flow rates and see that you can breath freely without problems, especially for homemade ExitBags.

May be it's better to test your equipment with N2 cylinder + N2/Ar regulator with an EB on а dummy's head (to check how the regulator works and supports a certain lpm flow for a certain period of time, and test the EB) and after that refill your cylinder with N2?

 

[GasMonkey]

May be it's better to test your equipment with N2 cylinder + N2/Ar regulator with an EB on а dummy's head (to check how the regulator works and supports a certain lpm flow for a certain period of time, and test the EB) and after that refill your cylinder with N2?

That way you don't test CO₂ purging, the dummy doesn't exhale.

the regulator must be tested at least once with a full cylinder

I don't think you need to spend so much gas in testing, once the flow control valve is open it's not gonna magically close without an external force, but if that test increases your confidence in the setup and you can refill the cylinder, it's ok.​

 

[traveller89]

I don't think you need to spend so much gas in testing, once the flow control valve is open it's not gonna magically close without an external force, but if that test increases your confidence in the setup and you can refill the cylinder, it's ok.​

I've read, that @FromGermany warned many times about testing your equipment (your type of gas and the regulator) for at least 40 minutes.

 

[GasMonkey]

LOL, really funny that @FromGermany said that because I know he didn't do that himself, simply because is impossible with his setup (SCUBA). You can't test a SCUBA with Nitrogen for 40 minutes coz the demand valve needs a vacuum to be activated (which means that you have to breath it yourself). ​

 

[outrider567]

I've read, that @FromGermany warned many times about testing your equipment (your type of gas and the regulator) for at least 40 minutes.

FromGermany was banned from Sanctioned Suicide by Greenberg, too much inaccurate and misleadingly false information, you'd do well not to read anything that FromGermany has posted here in this thread

 

[sensenmann]

What are the components most prone to failures/leaks in a SCBA setup? Cuz I my setup is overdue for inspection but I could send the critical components in for maintenance.

 

[GasMonkey]

I have never seen a SCBA fail so I don't know. The most complex part is the demand valve.
Have you bought everything second-hand?

 

[sensenmann]

I have never seen a SCBA fail so I don't know. The most complex part is the demand valve.
Have you bought everything second-hand?

I bought the mask new, rest is second-hand, the seller told me the equipment has been in a warehouse and was never used in firefighting or similar, last inspection was in 2005.

 

[thesighofleaves]

So is there anyway to get one of these tanks shipped to you? I don't have a car and don't know where I would go buy one of these in person (I'm in the US).

 

[stardust_11]

I live in Sydney, Australia. Can someone help me find the materials for the exit bag/ insert gas method ?

 

[Archieozias]

Nitrogen is 100%
And painless too why dont everyone on this site do it?

 

[anonaon]

Nitrogen is 100%
And painless too why dont everyone on this site do it?

Price and availability

 

[GasMonkey]

the seller told me the equipment has been in a warehouse and was never used in firefighting or similar

So it has never been used?
You can check if it works yourself.