Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[outrider567]

Hello, I'm a new member.
I'am planning ctb with N2 with an exit bag. I"ve read this thread several times.
I have problems with making EB. Recently it was a reference in the thread (page 47) where it was fully described in details how to make your EB in PPeh. Now it doesn't open. May be anybody have saved it and can share it with me.

I had trouble too, that's why I got the EEBD Hood instead--takes the guesswork out

 

[traveller89]

I had trouble too, that's why I got the EEBD Hood instead--takes the guesswork

Thank you for answering me. I'am not sure I manage with EEBD.

 

[GasMonkey]

how to make your EB

There is a PDF with instructions in the on-line version of the PPeH.

 

[traveller89]

There is a PDF with instructions in the on-line version of the PPeH.

Thanks a lot @GasMonkey! That is I'm searching for.

 

[anonaon]

Thanks a lot @GasMonkey! That is I'm searching for.

There's also a step-by-step video instructions titled "Doing it with Chi", along with nurse Betty's original guide, on the resources megathread

 

[traveller89]

There's also a step-by-step video instructions titled "Doing it with Chi", along with nurse Betty's original guide, on the resources megathread

Thank you, I've seen the video "doing it with Chi", but his version seems to me a simple one (I don't know if his EB would work properly) , the online version of the PPeh is more complicated and seems more reliable. And as for nurse Betty's original guide - is it a video?

 

[anonaon]

And as for nurse Betty's original guide - is it a video?

Yes but it's in a folder on the resource thread

 

[traveller89]

Yes but it's in a folder on the resource thread

Thank you!

 

[wagner2029]

would this mask be better than the exitbag?
I would close the gas outlet.

 

[anonaon]

would this mask be better than the exitbag?
I would close the gas outlet.

I think the PPH mentioned CPAP face masks are prone to leaks from outside air as they don't provide a perfect seal

 

[ztem]

@GasMonkey
I just called four major gas suppliers here and all of them said "DIN 477 is our valve standard but we made it easier,DIN 477 NO.6 with W 21.8 x 1/14 thread is for all inert gases(Nitrogen, Argon, Helium, Carbon Dioxide...),we don't have a separate standard for nitrogen valve like German companies(DIN 477 NO.10),about BS standard,we also sell/fill all inert gases in cylinders with BS 341 NO.3 with G 5/8 thread"
Can you send a pic of BS341 NO.3 valve like you did with DIN 477 NO.13 valve?
The adapter link you sent me earlier is DIN 477 No.13 to BS341 NO.3?Are you sure of its quality?You bought an imported cylinder right?Since your region has its own standard

 

[TF64]

I discovered the other day a SCBA regulator that looks similar to an "industrial" Nitrogen regulator:
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Maybe the setup with a Nitrogen regulator is possible if the regulator has enough quality and a low output pressure range, like this one that has a 0-10bar output (demand valves work at ~7.25bar):
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This one would be even better coz it's dual-stage:
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You should experiment with this @Das Nichts.

This stuff is interesting for regions where there is no air-to-nitrogen adapter to use a native SCBA regulator, but it is more simple to just get an EEBD hood and connect it to a Nitrogen regulator with a flow meter.

Is there a particular EEBD hood that you are familiar with that would be reliable? What would be the specific procedure for using an EEBD hood? They look like a hood that fits loosely over the head. Are they as air tight as an SCBA? Would I need more Nitrogen with an EEBD Hood than with an SCBA? I only have a 18 CF tank.

 

[GasMonkey]

Is there a particular EEBD hood that you are familiar with that would be reliable?

I have the escMode EEBD hood, which is the same model on Vizzy's setup. It's good, bennydiazapine CTB'd with it.

What would be the specific procedure for using an EEBD hood?

1. Pre-fill hood (holding it atop the head).
2. Take a deep breath of air.
3. Insert head into the hood.
4. Adjust the inner mask on the face.
5. Exhale fully.
6. Take a deep breath of Nitrogen.

Are they as air tight as an SCBA?

No, the fit on the head what holds it in place, it doesn't have straps.

Would I need more Nitrogen with an EEBD Hood than with an SCBA?

Yep.

would this mask be better than the exitbag?

No, CPAP masks are not good to CTB.
Also any mask setup requires a demand valve (like SCBA/SCUBA), reservoir bag (like Non-ReBreather masks) or a HUGE flow rate (like the respirator mask+pump sets) to meet the demands of inhalation.

The adapter link you sent me earlier is DIN 477 No.13 to BS341 NO.3?Are you sure of its quality?

Yep.

Can you send a pic of BS341 NO.3 valve

DIN 477 NO.6 with W 21.8 x 1/14 thread

So they have Nitrogen cylinders with both standards and you can pick which you want?

You bought an imported cylinder right?Since your region has its own standard

Yeah but "imported" within EU so no taxes.

 

[ztem]

So they have Nitrogen cylinders with both standards and you can pick which you want?

No unfortunately,only DIN477 NO.1 and DIN 477 NO.6.
DIN 77 NO.1 with W 21.8 x 1/14 LH thread for toxic,flammable gases,DIN 477 NO.6 with W 21.8 x 1/14 RH thread for all inert gases.Both toxic/flammable and inert gas cylinders have the same thread,the only difference between them is the LH and RH valve.That's why they said" We made it easier".
About BS341
BS341 NO.3/G 5/8 RH=all inert gases
BS341 NO.4/G 5/8 LH= toxic,flammable
The reason I asked about the quality of the adapter(DIN 477 NO.13 to BS341 NO.3) is because so far everyone used the DIN477 NO.13 to DIN477 NO.10 adapter.You still prefer the NO.13 to NO.10 adapter?
Drager cylinders are 700-1600$ and that's really too much,I can buy 200 bar 10L steel nitrogen cylinder(grade 5/BS341 NO.3 standard) here for only 250$
If you think the DIN13 to DIN10 adapter is much better,I have to look for an imported DIN 477 NO.10 cylinder which I know will cost more than 400$ because there's no such cylinder here and I have to personally order it from abroad

 

[GasMonkey]

You just have to get a 200bar DIN#6 (W21.8) to 300bar DIN#13 (G5/8") adapter and that's it. That adapter is available in the same shop where I bought mine.

 

[samp]

I live in the united states. can someone tell me/link me exactly what to buy?

 

[outrider567]

I have the escMode EEBD hood, which is the same model on Vizzy's setup. It's good, bennydiazapine CTB'd with it.


1. Pre-fill hood (holding it atop the head).
2. Take a deep breath of air.
3. Insert head into the hood.
4. Adjust the inner mask on the face.
5. Exhale fully.
6. Take a deep breath of Nitrogen.


No, the fit on the head what holds it in place, it doesn't have straps.
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Yep.


No, CPAP masks are not good to CTB.
Also any mask setup requires a demand valve (like SCBA/SCUBA), reservoir bag (like Non-ReBreather masks) or a HUGE flow rate (like the respirator mask+pump sets) to meet the demands of inhalation.


Yep.


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So they have Nitrogen cylinders with both standards and you can pick which you want?


Yeah but "imported" within EU so no taxes.

GasMonkey, do you know what bennydiazapine used for LPM when he used the Hood?

 

[GasMonkey]

15 LPM with a 3L 180bar (540L) cylinder.

 

[GasMonkey]

@Vizzy used 21 LPM in an Argon-calibrated flow meter with Nitrogen (shooting for 25 LPM).

 

[Red Desert]

Does anyone have the e-book «The Exit Bag + Inert Gas Suicide Technique, The Art of Painless Self-Deliverance» by Karlis Ranford?

I'd be very grateful!

 

[GasMonkey]

I live in the united states. can someone tell me/link me exactly what to buy?

@rejected's setup is pretty good for the US.

 

[traveller89]

The best way to test any constant flow setup is to test it with air (that's what EXIT International did to determine the optimal flow rate for ExitBags). That increases the price a lot obviously since you need an air cylinder+air flow regulator but it's super cool to see the setup in action, test different flow rates and see that you can breath freely without problems, especially for homemade ExitBags.

May be it's better to test your equipment with N2 cylinder + N2/Ar regulator with an EB on а dummy's head (to check how the regulator works and supports a certain lpm flow for a certain period of time, and test the EB) and after that refill your cylinder with N2?

 

[GasMonkey]

May be it's better to test your equipment with N2 cylinder + N2/Ar regulator with an EB on а dummy's head (to check how the regulator works and supports a certain lpm flow for a certain period of time, and test the EB) and after that refill your cylinder with N2?

That way you don't test CO₂ purging, the dummy doesn't exhale.

the regulator must be tested at least once with a full cylinder

I don't think you need to spend so much gas in testing, once the flow control valve is open it's not gonna magically close without an external force, but if that test increases your confidence in the setup and you can refill the cylinder, it's ok.​

 

[traveller89]

I don't think you need to spend so much gas in testing, once the flow control valve is open it's not gonna magically close without an external force, but if that test increases your confidence in the setup and you can refill the cylinder, it's ok.​

I've read, that @FromGermany warned many times about testing your equipment (your type of gas and the regulator) for at least 40 minutes.

 

[GasMonkey]

LOL, really funny that @FromGermany said that because I know he didn't do that himself, simply because is impossible with his setup (SCUBA). You can't test a SCUBA with Nitrogen for 40 minutes coz the demand valve needs a vacuum to be activated (which means that you have to breath it yourself). ​

 

[outrider567]

I've read, that @FromGermany warned many times about testing your equipment (your type of gas and the regulator) for at least 40 minutes.

FromGermany was banned from Sanctioned Suicide by Greenberg, too much inaccurate and misleadingly false information, you'd do well not to read anything that FromGermany has posted here in this thread

 

[sensenmann]

What are the components most prone to failures/leaks in a SCBA setup? Cuz I my setup is overdue for inspection but I could send the critical components in for maintenance.

 

[GasMonkey]

I have never seen a SCBA fail so I don't know. The most complex part is the demand valve.
Have you bought everything second-hand?

 

[sensenmann]

I have never seen a SCBA fail so I don't know. The most complex part is the demand valve.
Have you bought everything second-hand?

I bought the mask new, rest is second-hand, the seller told me the equipment has been in a warehouse and was never used in firefighting or similar, last inspection was in 2005.

 

[thesighofleaves]

So is there anyway to get one of these tanks shipped to you? I don't have a car and don't know where I would go buy one of these in person (I'm in the US).