Method Exit bag and inert gas megathread

[Ta555]

I see. I don't feel anything. I'm worried I will the closer I get to the act.

Have you put together your equipment? Have you tried to see what it's like to have a bag over your head? Maybe you will feel SI when you go to do it but maybe you won't, who knows? But as fair as painless and peaceful this method is best imo. Even with N you have to get past the horrible taste. Here you just have to wait a little under a minute.

 

[new.solution1]

No and no. That's what I'm referring to as getting closer to the act. But as I do some setup work like making a rope setup to restrain my hands in case I choose to CTB in my bed, I feel good, excited and accomplished. I actually have a smile on my face. But that's just setup, I'm wondering how I'll feel as I near completion and all that's left is to carry out the method.

What does N stand for?

 

[Ta555]

Does anyone know how vital it is to get an oxygen sensor to test the purity of the gas? I got mine from a national gas supplier and the specification sheet says 99.5% nitrogen so I doubt it's going to be dodgy. I know it would be ideal to have an oxygen sensor and check it's really oxygen-free but I don't have that much money anymore and it also will take weeks to be delivered which I also don't have anymore.
Realistically how many people do this before ctb by exit bag?

 

[ElderRecluse]

I bought the oxygen sensor and used it on my tank of Argon from Cyberweld. It measured 0 percent oxygen. I'd also read, however, that the tanks of Argon have to be without oxygen to meet their purpose in welding so it was probably unnecessary to check it.

 

[Ta555]

I bought the oxygen sensor and used it on my tank of Argon from Cyberweld. It measured 0 percent oxygen. I'd also read, however, that the tanks of Argon have to be without oxygen to meet their purpose in welding so it was probably unnecessary to check it.

Thanks I'm not in the US but my tank comes from a nation wide gas supplier that supplies business and domestic so I'm pretty confident it is what it says in the bottle but yeah, was wondering how essential testing is and whether people have CTB without using the sensor.

 

[Ta555]

Ok guys for anyone who wants to know about the E**M*** regulator here is my experience.
I don't live in the US so my regulator was not for the North American region fiy.
The regulator itself works. No problem there. However, in terms of how many litres per minute you can set it's either 15 or 25. This is really annoying. I now understand that 15 is not enough, however, 25 seems too much.
Secondly, the barb for the tubing doesn't even attach to the regulator. The regulator has an outlet for a hose and the hose Barb is way too small and the incorrect configuration to attach to the regulator so I can't even use the tubing sent with the regulator. This is so careless. It literally would've taken the guy five seconds to check if the barb actually fits the regulator. This is some sort of joke honestly. For the price you pay for this thing you'd at least think the parts would fit! This is really maddening.
My options now is to either try to source an argon regulator which has LPM and this is not ideal since I'm using nitrogen or try to find the correct hose barb and use 25 litres per minute which is excessive. Or to just say fuck the LPM, use a regulator without a flow meter and hope for the best and hang. So yeah, if you buy from this guy, the regulator works but be aware it's probably not working how you want it to. Would not recommend.

 

[Interloper]

My options now is to either try to source an argon regulator which has LPM

Why not a nitrogen regulator with LPM? They exist too. Argon one wouldn't a problem if you can get an adaptor as far as I know, you'd just have to calculate to how much LPM you have to set it to.

 

[Onthe29th]

Ok guys for anyone who wants to know about the E**M*** regulator here is my experience.
I don't live in the US so my regulator was not for the North American region fiy.
The regulator itself works. No problem there. However, in terms of how many litres per minute you can set it's either 15 or 25. This is really annoying. I now understand that 15 is not enough, however, 25 seems too much.
Secondly, the barb for the tubing doesn't even attach to the regulator. The regulator has an outlet for a hose and the hose Barb is way too small and the incorrect configuration to attach to the regulator so I can't even use the tubing sent with the regulator. This is so careless. It literally would've taken the guy five seconds to check if the barb actually fits the regulator. This is some sort of joke honestly. For the price you pay for this thing you'd at least think the parts would fit! This is really maddening.
My options now is to either try to source an argon regulator which has LPM and this is not ideal since I'm using nitrogen or try to find the correct hose barb and use 25 litres per minute which is excessive. Or to just say fuck the LPM, use a regulator without a flow meter and hope for the best and hang. So yeah, if you buy from this guy, the regulator works but be aware it's probably not working how you want it to. Would not recommend.

Call them or email them because you're right, they should make sure they're stuff works together.

 

[Ta555]

Why not a nitrogen regulator with LPM? They exist too. Argon one wouldn't a problem if you can get an adaptor as far as I know, you'd just have to calculate to how much LPM you have to set it to.

They're not available in my country. I've looked at every hardware and welding store. That's why I had to get one from this source. The only nitrogen regulators here are the psi/bar type. For some reason we can't get click style or flow meter nitrogen regulators here. Idk why. And believe me, I've looked.

Call them or email them because you're right, they should make sure they're stuff works together.

Yeah the thing is even if I do, it's going to take weeks and weeks to get here. I might just try to find one at a welding store. The right hose barb I mean. I'm still pissed about the 15 or 25 LPM only thing

 

[Onthe29th]

The regulator itself works. No problem there. However, in terms of how many litres per minute you can set it's either 15 or 25. This is really annoying. I now understand that 15 is not enough, however, 25 seems too much.

I think all the medical grade nitrogen regulators make this jump. I noticed that and checked the Wtfarley regulator and it jumps from 15 to 25 too. I didn't check mdb but from what I understand, those are retrofitted oxygen regulators from Wtfarley so it probably does the same thing. Feel free to tell me if I'm wrong if you own a mdb regulator.

 

[Ta555]

Why not a nitrogen regulator with LPM? They exist too. Argon one wouldn't a problem if you can get an adaptor as far as I know, you'd just have to calculate to how much LPM you have to set it to.

I think all the medical grade nitrogen regulators make this jump. I noticed that and checked the Wtfarley regulator and it jumps from 15 to 25 too. I didn't check mdb but from what I understand, those are retrofitted oxygen regulators from Wtfarley so it probably does the same thing. Feel free to tell me if I'm wrong if you own a mdb regulator.

Oh ok, that's good to know thanks! Yeah there's been a lot of posts over last few months about the ideal flow rate and people not all, but I've seen a few are leaning towards using more than 15lpm but 25 seems excessive to me. And no I don't have an mdb one.

 

[Interloper]

They're not available in my country. I've looked at every hardware and welding store. That's why I had to get one from this source. The only nitrogen regulators here are the psi/bar type. For some reason we can't get click style or flow meter nitrogen regulators here. Idk why. And believe me, I've looked.

You guys don't use the same connectors your bigger cousin uses?

 

[Ta555]

You guys don't use the same connectors your bigger cousin uses?

I'm not sure, maybe... I just ordered some hide barb's online. Hopefully they will fit. Though a bit apprehensive about going with 15 LPM :(

 

[Interloper]

I'm not sure, maybe... I just ordered some hide barb's online. Hopefully they will fit. Though a bit apprehensive about going with 15 LPM :(

While 15 is probably fine (I wish fromgermany had just apologized, I liked his posts If you're somehow still lurking, I appreciated your bluntness) if you're not sure then don't. I also don't want to give myself more anxiety than I already have.

As for using an argon regulator

Can you flow different gas through an uncalibrated device

Often it becomes necessary to use another gas through a flow control device such as a flowmeter, flowmeter regulator, or flow gauge regulator. While the flow control device may be safe and compatible for the other gas, the issue often becomes one of accuracy.

www.harrisproductsgroup.com

If I am understanding it right and you have a nitrogen bottle with an argon regulator, you'd want the argon LPM meter to read 12.6 LPM if you were to go with the 15 LPM. 16.8 if going with 20 LPM. Gonna look into it more though, I believe I read a post with calculations on this website somewhere.

 

[Ta555]

While 15 is probably fine (I wish fromgermany had just apologized, I liked his posts ) if you're not sure then don't. I also don't want to give myself more anxiety than I already have.

As for using an argon regulator

Can you flow different gas through an uncalibrated device

Often it becomes necessary to use another gas through a flow control device such as a flowmeter, flowmeter regulator, or flow gauge regulator. While the flow control device may be safe and compatible for the other gas, the issue often becomes one of accuracy.

www.harrisproductsgroup.com

If I am understanding it right and you have a nitrogen bottle with an argon regulator, you'd want the argon LPM meter to read 12.6 LPM if you were to go with the 15 LPM. 16.8 if going with 20 LPM. Gonna look into it more though, I believe I read a post with calculations on this website somewhere.

Nah I looked at getting an argon one but it seems you need an adaptor here and it just adds another layer of complexity. So I'll just do the 15lpm or just not bother with LPM since my main method is hanging and I just want the nitrogen to pass out that's all.

 

[new.solution1]

How likely is it for this method to fail?
Even if you get everything right
Fail and land you in a vegetative state that is

 

[Greenberg]

Ok guys for anyone who wants to know about the E**M*** regulator here is my experience.
I don't live in the US so my regulator was not for the North American region fiy.
The regulator itself works. No problem there. However, in terms of how many litres per minute you can set it's either 15 or 25. This is really annoying. I now understand that 15 is not enough, however, 25 seems too much.
Secondly, the barb for the tubing doesn't even attach to the regulator. The regulator has an outlet for a hose and the hose Barb is way too small and the incorrect configuration to attach to the regulator so I can't even use the tubing sent with the regulator. This is so careless. It literally would've taken the guy five seconds to check if the barb actually fits the regulator. This is some sort of joke honestly. For the price you pay for this thing you'd at least think the parts would fit! This is really maddening.
My options now is to either try to source an argon regulator which has LPM and this is not ideal since I'm using nitrogen or try to find the correct hose barb and use 25 litres per minute which is excessive. Or to just say fuck the LPM, use a regulator without a flow meter and hope for the best and hang. So yeah, if you buy from this guy, the regulator works but be aware it's probably not working how you want it to. Would not recommend.

Hi, Ta,

I have one of EM's North American regulators. Yes, the flow rate does jump on mine but I did notice for other countries, there is a 20LPM setting. So to be fair, a 20LPM regulator is available. Did you request an intermediate setting like 20LPM upon purchase?

I do not understand your barb outlet issues. All medical-grade regulators employ a 1/4" barb outlet and are made to fit standard oxygen tubing. Are you using oxygen tubing or choosing to use a non-standard hose? On the other hand, if you purchased a regulator with a hose configuration, I cannot see why the outlet would not fit the hose? I think a clarification (with a photo) would help us here. And certainly, others would better appreciate your disapproval.

In all honesty, I would suggest that you approach EM and ask them to address the issue. They have been very accommodating to me. I certainly have no reservations in recommending them.

Best, G

Nah I looked at getting an argon one but it seems you need an adaptor here and it just adds another layer of complexity. So I'll just do the 15lpm or just not bother with LPM since my main method is hanging and I just want the nitrogen to pass out that's all.

Ta, for any given country, all inert gases -- albeit nitrogen, helium, or argon -- use the same connector standard. There is no need for an adapter. The only thing that changes is simply the flowmeter scale which can be easily adjusted through a calculation. And you only need to do this calculation once.

While 15 is probably fine (I wish fromgermany had just apologized, I liked his posts If you're somehow still lurking, I appreciated your bluntness) if you're not sure then don't. I also don't want to give myself more anxiety than I already have.

As for using an argon regulator

Can you flow different gas through an uncalibrated device

Often it becomes necessary to use another gas through a flow control device such as a flowmeter, flowmeter regulator, or flow gauge regulator. While the flow control device may be safe and compatible for the other gas, the issue often becomes one of accuracy.

www.harrisproductsgroup.com

If I am understanding it right and you have a nitrogen bottle with an argon regulator, you'd want the argon LPM meter to read 12.6 LPM if you were to go with the 15 LPM. 16.8 if going with 20 LPM. Gonna look into it more though, I believe I read a post with calculations on this website somewhere.

Your calculation looks correct! Incidentally, any flow rate above 15 is simply hearsay by FromGermany. I could not locate the research papers which he sourced. Personally, I interpreted his bombastic comments as a way of spreading misinformation. Worst of all, he had an ax to grind and was insensitive to others.

Anyways, 15 has worked and continues to work... I mean why would you want to risk depleting your gas supply. Incidentally, his scuba solution is ridiculously expensive!

Call them or email them because you're right, they should make sure they're stuff works together.

I am in absolute agreement. Call or email them about the problem!

How likely is it for this method to fail?
Even if you get everything right
Fail and land you in a vegetative state that is

With the right equipment, setup, and no third-party interference, the probability of failure is 0%. Incidentally, within America, an increasing number of death-row executions are now performed with nitrogen. There is a trend in moving away from lethal injections.

 

[lostautist]

Anyways, 15 has worked and continues to work... I mean why would you want to risk depleting your gas supply. Incidentally, his scuba solution is ridiculously expensive!

15 is adequate for keeping a rebreathing bag inflated. A mask would need a higher flow rate. One gentleman in the megathread used only a mask at 15lpm and didn't lose consciousness. The flow rate for oxygen in on-demand scuba while being active is noted as being 40lpm but I've also read 37.5lpm for constant fresh supply.

Do you know the flow rate for the EM on demand regulator? It's not mentioned on their site and has me concerned.

 

[lmon]

"I'm not an expert"
"do not to lie down"

With Argon it would be even better to lie down.

@xcaramel

Products from [removed due to sourcing] are cheap, some are even dangerous. The hood in your kit is a $16 China crap and will give you a brain damage with some probabilies. Ensure at least a flow of 20 Liter/Minute. This hood is such a dirt, it will not even work with 25 Liter/Minute.

I keep hearing this, is it better or not to lie down with argon?

This is exactly the reason.

So if it's the only reason then what lpm would you recommend?

 

[LADY007]

To Use:

If I found all this on the internet, I'm sure you can, but maybe these will address a few of the questions I've encountered here.

Start by sitting upright in a chair. My understanding is that you should not be lying down, and that you want to be confident you won't fall over when you black out, as any final twitching with your head rumpling the bag against whatever you are lying on might displace the bag enough to allow the inert gas to escape.

I have heard fears of convulsions with this method, but I have also heard —more plausibly— that accounts of convulsions are more accurately associated with sedated-suffocation (a predecessor to this inert gas technique) rather than to inert gas asphyxiation. However, a few final twitches are possible as the electrical activity in the brain fades, and it would be tragic to have the attempt ruined by not taking the simple precaution of being sitting up and stable.

To feel confident that any post-mortem twitching will not knock the cylinder over and jerk the tube out of the exit bag, secure the cylinder to the leg of your chair. I use a piece of webbing; duct tape or a length of cord would work.

If you wear glasses, as I do, remove them. They will be a hindrance when you need to pull the gas-filled bag down over your face, and will allow space for air to remain in the bag.

To pre-fit the drawcord, pull the bag down over your head and face. Tighten the elastic drawcord around your neck so that it's snug, but not cinched tight. You should be able to fit your fingers under it.

Lift the bag up off your face so that the drawcord is now around your temples and just above your eyebrows, below your ears and around the back of your neck, like a shower cap. After adjusting the drawcord to your neck, it will feel tight around your head; this is good.

Scrunch ALL the air out of the bag. The more air you can remove, the faster the inert gas will take effect. If you ignore this step, your attempt will likely fail.

At this point the end of the hose should be inside the bag. I have long hair, so I secure the end of the hose at the back of my head with a hair elastic. Others have taped the end of the hose securely to the inside of the bag with more micropore tape.

If you have long hair, like I do, make sure it is bundled up inside the exit bag, not sticking out under the drawcord.

With the regulator closed, open the valve of the cylinder. There will be a sharp hiss as the regulator fills.

Open the regulator and adjust the flow of gas to 15Lpm. The gas flowing through the tube was surprisingly loud to me, and a bit distracting. Someone here kindly recommended earplugs, which I may do on my next attempt. Or I may listen to music; I doubt earbud wires will displace the drawcord.

The bag will gradually inflate above your head. It will take a minute or two to reach full inflation.

As the bag is inflating, take deep breaths, exhaling fully, to purge as much CO2 as possible from the depths of your lungs.

When the bag is inflated and you're ready, exhale as completely as possible and hold your lungs empty. Slide the bag down over your face and settle the elastic comfortably around your neck. Finally, inhale as deeply as possible; breathe slowly and deeply.

Here is the title of a Youtube video showing an Exit Bag set up......Right to Die (VICE on HBO: Season 4, Episode 3) ....FAST FORWARD TO the time.. 7:45 to view

 

[new.solution1]

With the right equipment, setup, and no third-party interference, the probability of failure is 0%. Incidentally, within America, an increasing number of death-row executions are now performed with nitrogen. There is a trend in moving away from lethal injections.

Should I bother writing a living will then, if it's so safe?

 

[Greenberg]

Should I bother writing a living will then, if it's so safe?

As mentioned...if all things are done correctly, There is no need. But if it gives you peace of mind, by all means, do so.

 

[new.solution1]

How loud is the hiss of the gas, at 20 lpm? I'm worried it will alert others in my house if I ctb in my car in the garage.

 

[Greenberg]

If you close your car doors, others would not hear it.

 

[new.solution1]

Do you need a regulator outlet valve for the regulator? I read somewhere that there is reduced accuracy if you do not have one.

 

[Greenberg]

An outlet valve would be extraneous as the flow is determined by your flow regulator. Just engage the main cylinder valve and let the flow regulator do its job. Flow regulators are extremely accurate as they are calibrated as such. Best, G

 

[lostautist]

Do you know the flow rate for the EM on demand regulator? It's not mentioned on their site and has me concerned.

I went back and looked, the info was on there for the specific products but not the on-demand scba kits. The standard regulators go up to 25lpm. The black label on-demand regulators go up to 50lpm. bit there was no 580 black label kit. In case anyone else was wondering.

 

[new.solution1]

Would this flow regulator work?: https://www.landmsupply.com/hobart-...Z0_4sFvfEW8NeOEOcyp0dqErsgbx9tLwaAqgzEALw_wcB

One possible problem I can think of is that it is not a nitrogen specific regulator (I will be using nitrogen). Unless it doesn't matter.

Another possible problem is that the hose barb looks very thin. Is it possible that the hose could be too thin for this method?

 

[Greenberg]

I went back and looked, the info was on there for the specific products but not the on-demand scba kits. The standard regulators go up to 25lpm. The black label on-demand regulators go up to 50lpm. bit there was no 580 black label kit. In case anyone else was wondering.

I am sure if you ask they would be able to accommodate your request for a 580 black label kit. Incidentally, 50lpm is very high!

Would this flow regulator work?: https://www.landmsupply.com/hobart-...Z0_4sFvfEW8NeOEOcyp0dqErsgbx9tLwaAqgzEALw_wcB

One possible problem I can think of is that it is not a nitrogen specific regulator (I will be using nitrogen). Unless it doesn't matter.

Another possible problem is that the hose barb looks very thin. Is it possible that the hose could be too thin for this method?

It looks like an argon regulator. Is that what you are looking for? If you are using nitrogen, try to stick with a nitrogen flow regulator. It makes life so much simpler.

 

[lostautist]

I am sure if you ask they would be able to accommodate your request for a 580 black label kit. Incidentally, 50lpm is very high!

Yeah, it is very high, but 25lpm might be a little low strictly for on-demand. Like I mentioned for on-demand scuba, 37.5-40lpm oxygen seems to be the standard for keeping you alive.