@Ta555, you need 2 % or less O2 in the bag to become unconscious without side effects. In the moment, the O2 level is 5 or 6 % again in the bag after at least 2 minutes, you will wake up with some kind of brain damage. After 5 minutes waking up, you have serious brain damage. Even with a perfect bag set 7-10 minutes are needed that you are brain dead.
The 15 Liter/Minute are a proven handpicked narrative by Nitschke to sell his products and because all of his equipment is based on oxygen. It's a hoax! I told that many times, a scientific study has proven, that even 25 Liter/Minuter must be considered, but for that you need a robust bag and not this oven bag. Everything under 20 Liter/Minute is dangerous, and this is based not on wannabe-knowledge but based on science.
This are no opinion. This are facts.
On this forum and on the internet there is so much unqualified nonsense written on this matter, that it is not only head shaking. It's dangerous.
One example is the so called extended bag method with a cheap scuba mask guide. People will wake up with a high probability with a brain damage with this guide. All these gas guides online are not working. They will lead to brain damage, and I don't want to know, how many readers are in the meantime forgotten in the care homes due to this kind of guides. No doubt, some are. I have spoken to some of my old contacts. She is in a higher position. I am not a story teller. For decades I was a professional researcher and made that for a living. This is the difference. She told me, that in the care homes some people are due to failed CTB, and it's not due to hanging only.
If someone has the desire for a higher probability to end up in a care home, it's everyones free choice. For me I will have a probability of 95 % success. 100 % is impossible.
With any regulator, one should make a test with 40 minutes gas with 20 Liter/Minute in a bag, to look, if the inflation is stable, if the tubing will flop out of the bag or from the tank. Of course, you have to refill your tank, but there is no $5 CTB.
At Ebay or other places one can purchase mannequin heads with bigger sizes for small money. You can measure your own neck and adjust the neck of the head with taping something around. Put the bag on. Start the test. Shake the head a little bit. This is, what also with you can happen.
Also with a bag and the test there is absolutey no way around to test it with an oxygen meter to ensure, that with your set there is no O2 higher than 2 % after latest 60 seconds in the bag and that during the first 10 minutes at no point the O2 level is more than 4 %.
This is the difference between talk and the real thing.
I told that thousands of times, but ignorance is a key element of human beings. The own case can be the rare worst case.
Spreading dangerous superficial knowledge on the CTB matter, regardless, which method, is really bad. Anonymous people like here have a much more responsibility for what they are writing.
Normally, I don't need to write here anymore, because I have almost all information I need for my own set, both ways, with the Scuba set and in case, my face does not fit, with the exit bag set. All the little details.
I am doing that to prevent other people from health issues, because there is so much dangerous superficial knowledge online. The same with CO. It's really a bad thing, because most people have not the time or the possibilities to research independent and deep, so they have only one source and have to trust it. They are in many cases also in a desperate situation or bad situation, which makes them more open to believe everything.
In the real world, everyone knows it, only an idiot would believe only one source if there are many.
Why is it so different on the CTB matter?
Because hope for an easy, cheap and fast CTB makes many people blind, and one can not even blame them for that.
The nice guy, who wrote about this method for months and months as it is so easy as water drinking, at the end he did not used the so easy described method but went to Switzerland.
The small details are telling the true story, and the small details are the most important thing with this method.
After I found out, that the 15/Liter Minute is a business hoax, and it's so obvious, it was clear to me, there is nothing one can trust on the CTB matter without the own researching.
For all we on this forum know, you could be a right to life person trying to put such deep discouragement in others so they do not try any method.
When no arguments are left, spreading lies and conspiracy theories are a well know tactic by weak people.
You are a bad person. If you would have read, what happened to my wife and what brought me here, you would never said that. But it's your right to say anything you want. But I have the right to defend myself also.
Greenberg, who still promotes the life threatening scuba guide on his blog, gave you a thanks. That's all, I need to know. I had a picture before of some people. It's always only a matter of time when the masks will fall.
